Why Do So Many Christians Think Satan is Such a Pussy?

Your consciousness is always going to be a reflection your own informational intake, and it was probably reading pieces on Disinfo last week regarding shit like the practical applications of witch hunts, satanic child sex abuse conspiracies, and listening to Gabriel D. Roberts talk about his uber demento-Christian upbringing that got me thinking about a topic I’ve been meaning to write about for quite some time now. Namely, why do so many Christians, who spend a large portion of their lives supposedly battling Satan, seem to think he’s the biggest panty-waste imaginable?

One of the most absolutely unexpected things that happened after I started my occult practice seven years ago was that I ended up running head on into themes that echo throughout the core tenets of all the world’s major religions. This is all stuff I’d completely written off as ridiculous in my more rebellious youth. I rejected Christianity at age sixteen because, well, there are just too many holes in the logical infrastructure there to stand up to much of my youthful critical thinking. I’ve pointed that out to proselytizers. Did it occur to you that some people don’t have the ability to believe in your religion? It doesn’t necessarily help one maintain their faith when bands like Ministry, Tool, Nine Inch Nails, and Soundgarden are blowing up the charts with their god-is-dead-and-no-one-cares/get-off the-fucking-cross-we-need-the-fucking-space-to-nail-the-next-fool-martyr schticks (god bless their hearts). So I basically looked at religion through a darkened lens of callous disdain until I went all occult and realized through a series of bizarro astral encounters that these supposedly holy books are just time diluted shamanism/astral projection stuff. Higher less structural utopic realms above feeding off lower more ordered realms below? Check. Life as a sort of morality test to determine if you’re ready to ascend heavenward? Again, yep. Even the whole daemonic vs. angelic (lots of ways to phrase this) thing was going on, which took me ages to figure out. I was actually quite hilariously taunted by these clever guardian entities for taking so long to get hip (friend me on facebook for magick updates).

I’ve always been the first to laugh at the ridiculousness of the current wave of fashionable occultism best reflected in the aesthetic of an increasing number of metal bands. Errr, it’s about summoning your Holy Guardian Angel, what’s so dark about that exactly? Did you even read the fucking books? Obviously not. Way to buy into the church’s smear campaign fellas. But you know, the more I’ve thought about it, I’ve come to realize that I have more wrestling with daemon stories than I can count. There’s definitely a dark aspect to all of this high strangeness, in fact, there’s an entire chapter in my new book called Resisting the Great Satan. Where people get confused is that the occult game involves mastering your daemons, not worshiping them. Pretty damn practical skill if I might say so myself, and it’s with this in mind that I’m going to offer a bit of sound advice to all those Christian soldiers so valiantly trying to take this Satan motherfucker down.

First off, before the rationalist tripsters lose it on me for entertaining a concept as ridiculous as the Devil, let me refer you to this piece on Peruvian shamanism that ran in National freaking Geographic of all places:

 “I found myself laughing at them. “I’m not scared of you,” I said. But the darkness became even thicker; the emotional charge of suffering nearly unbearable. I felt as if I would burst from heartbreak—everywhere, I felt the agony of humankind, its tragedies, its hatreds, its sorrows. I reached the bottom of the tunnel and saw three thrones in a black chamber. Three shadowy figures sat in the chairs; in the middle was what I took to be the devil himself.

“The darkness will never end,” he said. “It will never end. You can never escape this place.”

“I can,” I replied.”

Shamanism 101 – removing daemons from westerners, and that’d be what I’m getting at. Our entire culture might as well be one giant writhing daemon copulation station. This Satan you’re rallying against is one bad mamma jamma and y’all are severely underestimating the dude. Let’s just for a second logically think about what this zany character’s role would be in our culture. Wouldn’t he be in charge of churning out hatred, fear, and negative energy in mass quantities, the more the better? Now how would he do that exactly? Well, we can scratch convincing people to get abortions and turn all gay off the list. Yeah, sorry, those things don’t honestly lead to increased suffering, in fact, the suppression of those things does. Being gay doesn’t suck in itself, but getting the crap kicked out of you for being gay sure as hell does. Getting a legal abortion might make you depressed for a bit (although not nearly as intense as post partum depression I might point out), but getting unintentionally sliced up and dying from an illegal abortion is sure going to be unreasonably unpleasant for the family and the victim. It’s with this in mind that I tried my best to use my occult expertise with daemons, which is fairly extensive I might add, to come up with a five step plan (five sides in the inverted Pentagram and all) that an entity such as Satan might just employ in his nefarious schemes to quite literally create hell on earth.

Step One: Infiltrate and Control Organized Religion

It should be pointed out that this is the base by which all the other steps are grounded, the foundation of pain if you will. As mentioned, your basic occult practice involves summoning your Holy Guardian Angel, and what better way to keep people lost in cycles of anguished daemonic servitude than to make sure they stay as far away from this sacred knowledge as possible? After you start delving into this stuff, an eerie aura starts to slowly seep into your level of recognition. Errr, isn’t a lot of this pretty much the exact inverse of our dominant society’s spiritual beliefs? Crowley and Spare are talking about contacting guardian entities through a combination of sex, art, inner focus, and intoxication—the church is telling you to get there through abstinence and sobriety. God, and their music always sucks. Add to that the fact that one of the most fundamental tenets of shamanism is the ritual ingestion of sacred plants which have been intentionally made illegal, and well, you do the math. The term witch hunt exists for a reason.

Then you run into shit like the Boystown scandal and all the catholic church sex abuse stuff, do I need to draw you a map? I honestly can’t think of a better means of creating nearly inextinguishable daemons than child sex abuse. Those are going to be some deep rooted fuckers. You ever notice how victims of pedophilia tend to end up being the future’s pederasts? These cycles are hard to stop once set in motion.

Even in Seattle, which is one of the most hippied out cities in the world we still have the proliferation of egomaniacal douchetards like Marc Driscoll and his corporate style Mars Hill mind manipulation factory. Here’s a guy who tells you EXACTLY how you can behave in the sack and get into heaven. I suggest you all read that, but I can sum it up pretty quick. Any sex act that doesn’t involve two married hetero sexual people is against god. You can masturbate and think about your wife if your wife’s in the room, so that’s cool right. What the fuck? Did I mention this guy has admitted publicly that he moved to Seattle and started a church because a voice in his head told him to. You sure that was Jesus, bro?

Step Two: Use Your Influence with Religion to Make Science Your Bitch

People like Robert Anton Wilson have pointed out that science and the occult used to be colluding against religion, but now it’s totally backwards, science and religion are colluding against the occult. Seriously, if you’re into the occult these days people think you’re completely fucking insane, and what, because you read more than one book about spirituality and tried more than one consciousness altering practice? I tried the traditional Christian rituals and found that they didn’t do much for me. What in god’s name is crazy about moving on? Craptons of books have been written about spirituality over the years, why on earth would you fixate on just one? It’s the most bizarrely illogical shit in the universe. Moreover, why wouldn’t you read or try any, which is the category most atheists I know fall into. There is no value in spiritual practice and those things are for superstitious idiots, why would I waste my time? Try it and you’ll see. They hate that answer.

Here’s the thing, I wanted to study things like parapsychology in school and didn’t because it was obviously a fools errand. I got a degree in psychology at a college level and dream analysis wasn’t mentioned once past Psych 101. Jung barely came up. They taught us Freud but none of the racy sex/death impulse stuff. Granted, this was in the Midwest eleven years ago, but at a supposedly top ten psychology program. I don’t hear anyone say this ever, but I’ve always been of the mind that this attitude of discrimination comes from our dominant religious beliefs. The church doesn’t like competition. People don’t like admitting they’re wrong.

Spirituality means matters of the spirit, it’s right in the word—dreams, visions, premonitions, etc. Spirituality. We barely study this stuff and basically sleep walk through our lives pretending it isn’t happening. I’ve been as guilty of this as anyone for large swaths of my existence. So, instead of research into sigil magick, shamanic healing, lucid dream technology, ethneogen mindgasms, astral projection machines and such, we get predator drones and Paxil. Nice work with that Satan.

Step Three: Regulate the Drug Trade

This goes right in line with the other two, but hits particularly close to home in my world. Throughout my years combing the occult ether for pertinent intel, I’ve gotten the impression there’s a lot deeper psychic ties lurking in the secret depths of the drug war than any of us realize. God, this one time I had an astral contact encounter that seemed to be communicating to me how cycles of narcotics and prostitution keep soldiers lost in a loop of dirty deed servitude to their CIA spook masters. I have no idea where that came from but it was powerful. And what do narcotics do exactly, well they kind of enslave you don’t they? Easiest trick in the book. What drugs are really running up the death toll in Mexico and Central America? Narcotics. What’s the hip new vice among youth of America? Prescription narcotics? You got to give it to the guy downstairs, he’s good. More to the point, why are the drugs that aren’t remotely addictive and seem to show enormous promise for treating addiction illegal (I’m talking about psychedelics if you couldn’t figure that out)? Yeah, no reason except that they’d slow The Devil’s roll now wouldn’t they?

Oh, and what do narcotics go good with? Yeah, booze. In fact, I didn’t even understand pills the first few times I tried them. Didn’t make sense until I threw back a few beers. Oh, the sweet, sweet euphoria. I’ve fooled around with this combination enough to know how easy it is to get lost there and why it’s so dangerous. Mainly though, in the last year I’ve scaled my weekly drinking regimen back roughly seventy five percent? Why? Because I had a spiritual experience that showed me how excessive drunken intoxication weakens my defenses and opens me up to states of daemonic possession. Seriously, that’s why I cleaned up my drinking…finally. So, if we’re going to put any stock in the reality of that experience (could just be a way to get me to do what they want), then our whole society might as well be a goddamn daemon fuck frenzy. There’s booze everywhere. I always like to point out that our culture is alcohol culture to a large extent. Look at sporting events? Concerts? Parties? It’s what our society runs on and why it was and is so hard for me to get away. Ever known an alcoholic? It is…not…savory. Over the holidays I had seven different social obligations over a fourteen day period. Booze was flowing at all of them. Merry Christ-mas to me!

Step Four: The Proliferation of Consumerism and Wealth Inequality

This is pretty standard stuff. All these other factors lead us into a materialistic view of spirituality which basically runs on the idea that possessions are somehow going to bring you a greater sense of well being. It’s a false premise and one that’s rooted so deeply that I have no idea how we’re going to dig ourselves out from under the psychotic culture it’s spawned. American work-a-holism will be the death of us all if we don’t get it in check. Compete rather than cooperate. You know what I think about a lot? How many of us in modern society actually derive a great deal of pleasure from our careers? The number’s got to be less than five percent optimistically. I know every time I’m starting to get unbearably irritated, it normally stems from the fact that I spend the majority of my time doing boring shit I don’t even like to make other people money at my soul draining day job. It’s why you see so much negative vitriol in comments sections and why I was drinking so much when you get right down to it. This shit is making us miserable and the daemons just keep  spawning.

Then there’s the wealth inequality thing. Yeah, it just keep getting worse. The poor get infuriated and increasingly desperate. Their lives become hell. The rich become increasingly well fed, evil, and isolated, damning them to endlessly reincarnate as the very ones they’re oppressing. Oh yeah, wouldn’t that be another one of Satan’s functions, tricking people into committing distant heinous acts of which they don’t understand the consequences, thus trapping them in his lower realm. Wealth inequality would sure be a great way of achieving that end.

Funny thing on that front as it turns out. Jesus never says a damn thing in the Bible about abortion or homosexuality. Don’t think he mentioned porn either, but excessive wealth? Oh hell yeah, he was pretty clear about how fucked that is. How do modern Christians come to terms with this while they commune in their football stadium mega-churches? See step one.

Step Five: Eternal War

Let us never forget that George W. Bush managed to get enough votes to swindle the election in 2000 by manipulating the evangelical Christian set in unparalleled fashion. We all know the rest. Regardless of what your opinions are regarding September 11th, let me say something you don’t hear nearly often enough. Whether it was a conspiracy or not is irrelevant. What’s important is that our response to September 11th was about a million times worse than September 11th itself. We started two useless wars, wiretapped our populace, gave up all kinds of civil rights, then doubled the size of the military industrial apparatus just for the fuck of it. Totally what Jesus would have done. He was always going on and on about bombing the living crap out of Muslim kids. The phrase “war is hell” exists for a reason. Think about that one for a sec. The thing that annoyed me to no end about all that retarded go USA jazz was that here we had a supposedly deeply spiritual person in the White House starting wars, and he never had to answer a direct question about how this was in tune with the teachings of Christ. Not once. Obama hasn’t had to field these questions either I might point out, which is what? Exactly how “The Dark Sorcerer” would want it. I’m just sayin’.

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  • DrDavidKelly

    “So I basically looked at religion through a darkened lens of callous
    disdain until I went all occult and realized through a series of bizarro
    astral encounters that these supposedly holy books are just time
    diluted shamanism/astral projection stuff. Higher less structural utopic
    realms above feeding off lower more ordered realms below?” – I’m gona have to stop you right there …

  • godozo

    The line is always “Satan is already defeated.”

    I hear it on the Protestant radio stations, I hear it on the Catholic radio stations, and almost every cult that started off as an offshoot of Christianity (Mormonism included) says the same thing. I’m sure even the Orthodox say it, but I’ve yet to hear them on the radio (or see them on the TV).

    The rapture story makes this clear, although I’m sure few if any of you have heard it this way: Satan gets seven years of the world by himself to whip up, coerce and entrap a worldwide army of believers without interference, then God comes along, snaps his fingers, and watches as the enemy armies fall dead all around the AntiChrist.

    And it’s not like Satan’s victorious anyway. Christ died on the cross (I’d say shucked aside his skin, but the suffering was actually part of the experience Christ decided to go through), went to hell, kicked ass for three days and took the good who died before him up to Heaven.

    (Never mind, of course, that it was ONLY Christ who could do this and that anyone else trying to even hold out without Christ’s help is doomed to fall to eternal punishment for Satan’s pleasures…or that the people who believe this are likely taking that fall as we speak….)

  • Antediluviancurrent

    I read “Why do so many Christians think Satan is pussy”. Which makes sense as well!

  • Juan

    Brilliant post!
    Just have one small quibble. That bit about church music always sucking, um not really. Dude, think about it for a second, no black church, no rock and roll. Also, Bach does not suck, and of I’m not mistaken, most if not all of what he wrote was for the church.

    • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

      most evangelical music sucks ass though.

      • Juan

        Sure, “most” but not all. As Pope Bob Would say “somebunall,” or some but not all.

    • jnana

      don’t forget about bluegrass!

  • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

    If there is a demiurge purporting to be god, who then is Satan?

    • Juan

      Maybe who people think of as Satan is really the demiurge pretending to be the Abrahamic god. If that is the case, then that would make Christians devil worshipers, ha, ha.

    • Andrew

      Psychological projection.

    • kowalityjesus

      That is actually one of my theological arguments against those who are anti-religion. When people do things “in the name of God” how can we know they are not acting out some demonic influence… Thus, by their fruit you shall recognize them. Matthew 7:16

  • http://www.facebook.com/nick.margerrison Nick Margerrison

    Just a great post! One of the best I’ve ever seen on Disinfo. Awesome.

  • Revolutionary7G

    Great article, only part I questioned was “The rich become increasingly well fed, evil, and isolated, damning them
    to endlessly reincarnate as the very ones they’re oppressing.” I’m not on board with the reincarnation idea yet because how many poor people currently deserve their miserable state from misbehavior in a past life and vice versa. Our culture is so materialistic that some rich folks must believe they deserve to be rich because of their saintly past life. The whole past lives idea is not convincing to me, same with karma, it all sounds nice but I don’t think its real.

    • follow_the_piper

      To me Karma is quite a convincing concept actually. It just hints at an “action – reaction”-system of experience and in it’s original form (i.e. that of traditional hinduism and buddhism) has no concept of extending your karma beyond death and into a next life. It’s more a “Be an asshole – live in an asshole-world” kind of thing. But as always YMMV.

      • jnana

        But why even the possibility of creating bad karma in the first place? Why should evil be possible? Don’t say free-will, that’s not a reasonable argument.
        Also, we are mostly led by ignorance and cursed with weakness. The cards are stacked against a person and its easier to accrue bad karma than good. Look at how much work the Jains have to do to get rid of karmic crust. This does not seem like a just system of affairs to me.

        • follow_the_piper

          The way i understood it Karma is not a “thing” you create, akin to a bank account where things add up and “being good” adds points and “being bad” substracts points. (“Hey! with just another 3 good acts you can buy yourself a favorable 2 week period at your office!”) It’s not an absolute measure of your life like in calvinist christianity, where wealth and good fortune means god favors you.
          And how is it easier to accrue bad karma than good karma? don’t be an asshole – easy.

          • Calypso_1

            You might find the concepts of karma in Jainism interesting. In their conception it is very much a physical substance.

          • jnana

            Bad karma is easier to accrue ecause we were created to be ignorant and selfish. It takes supernatural effort to go against nature. We’re conditioned by environment and genetics. By Grace, doing good becomes natural, but without supernatural help, it’s dog eat dog.
            But why should this system have come about in the first place. I learn nothing through evil, that I didn’t already know, for all knowledge is remembering.

    • HighAsHell

      My view of karma and reincarnation, coming from a perspective of agnostic theism with a focus on “faith based reasoning”, is that it doesn’t have so much to do with being born rich or poor as punishment or reward for good or bad deeds. Some poor people have a family and social support network that provides them help through thick and then, but there’s rich people who can’t even trust their own family. Plenty of rich people end up on anti-depressants, have health issues, or get injured or killed in accidents with their fancy toys (private planes, sports cars, jet skis, ect). Then, they have to always worry about losing their fortune, and it’s a lot harder for them to adjust to a lower economic situation than someone used to having less money. They often find out they don’t have any real friends because everyone they used to think of as friends ends up turning their back on them because they’re not in the “rich club” anymore. Just because a person is rich doesn’t mean that they’re reaping the fruits of good karma, and in fact the forces of karma may just have given them their good fortune just so they have to face the karmic test of losing it all after following the wrong path in current or past lives.

      As far as reincarnation goes, I don’t accept it as an absolute truth, but I think it is most likely possibility. Here’s where the “faith based reasoning” comes in. By faith based reasoning I mean a thought process that involves taking certain things on faith because there is no way to prove it either way, but sometimes it is necessary to cling onto driftwood in stormy seas, so to speak. So, despite there being no proof of “God” (for lack of a better term), I start with the faith based assumption that there is a most likely a higher power because I personally can’t accept that all of creation is the product of an infinitude of random coincidences. So, if there is a “God”, and he/she/it had the intelligence to at least set up the circumstances for human intelligence to eventually manifest, why would such an intelligence be put in a situation in which so many possibilities for life experience are possible, yet only a fraction of those possibilities are experienced in one lifetime. Why would such a long and intricate process of evolution such as the one that led to human consciousness lead to intelligences who either fade into oblivion at death, or have their experience of eternity based on the relatively short time they are here on earth?
      So, therefore, why wouldn’t “God” create a system of reincarnation, to allow for the “soul” to develop over the course of several lifetimes, and experience a wider range of life possibilities than either the “one life, then oblivion/heaven/hell” model? From that, if the process of reincarnation is real, and it has something to do with the development of the “soul” through exposure to a wide range of life circumstances in different bodies in different times and places, why would there not be some kind of accountability and “tough love” for those straying from the path of progression? Why would there not be opportunities to make right what one did wrong in previous lives if God wants us to grow from spiritual children to adults?
      Again, none of this proves anything, but at least according to my life experience and thought processes, I regard it as the model that make more sense that any other I have encountered.

    • Iuwus

      I do personally have a belief in karma and past life experience, just not in the cherrypicked fashion it’s been delivered in many modern media outlets. When I hear arguments about cause and reaction, or ‘good’ and ‘bad’ karma I’m only hearing bits of the story, often that which most suits the agenda of the speaker, be it moral, intellectual, emotional. If you accept things like instinct, and evolution, and genetics, it becomes a difficult thing to deny that we are not at least partly products of that which came before.

      Consider the fact that a newborn calf knows how to walk shortly after it is born. Or the complex mating rituals of various species that occur seemingly without prior interference. Our past lives are evident here in the now. Without immediate and lucid recognition of these signals they reach consciousness only sporadically, and become manufactured by the later stages of perception.

  • Jett Rink

    Satan, Lucifer, etc. is a created being. A fallen angel created by God. Satan exists because God allows it. For a smart Believer, the money is on God as the person to fear. Satan is nothing to fear, based on the rules of Christian theology.

    • Seth

      No.

    • Jonas Planck

      But then again, there’s the Vedic tradition that holds that angels are much more fearsome to behold than demons, because angels don’t lie. Angels radiate a blasting light of truth that reveals us for the wretched, twisted creatures that we truly are… demons however, appeal to our vanity, they flatter us and build up our egos, that our pride may be exploited against us… So it’s easy to see how one might be confused for the other…

  • brian

    Thanks for this. It is rare that I find an article I can agree with so adamantly.

  • jnana

    Jesus said: He who has discovered the world has discovered a carcass. He who has discovered a carcass the world is not worthy of.- Gospel of Thomas

    Eleleth, the great angel, spoke to me. “It is I,” he said, “who am understanding. I am one of the four light-givers, who stand in the presence of the great invisible spirit. Do you think these rulers have any power over you? None of them can prevail against the root of truth; for on its account he appeared in the final ages; and these authorities will be restrained. And these authorities cannot defile you and that generation; for your abode is in incorruptibility, where the virgin spirit dwells, who is superior to the authorities of chaos and to their universe.”- The Reality of The Rulers
    What is temporal has no effect on what is Eternal. Therein lies the peace of Jesus’ victory.

  • echar

    I had a spiritual experience that showed me how excessive drunken intoxication weakens my defenses and opens me up to states of daemonic possession.

    From my perspective, any consistent use of chemicals can create the experience of daemonic possession. Or said in another way, the chemicals can create a subconscious breakdown of willpower. For example, a person who is addicted to tobacco can be subconsciously telling themselves that they are not worthy of healthy air, and therefor kick starting an inner Thanatos.

    I am concerned with the current obsession with psychedelic brews. I had a frightening experience with LSD when I younger, that I would not wish on my worst enemy. Anyhow, this concern is that people may be placing too much importance on the chemical. At the same time I am beyond curious about these brews. I do know that altered states of consciousness can be reached through physical exertion, fasting, pain, and other means.

    • Iuwus

      And what is the terrifying experience of a hallucinogen but another kind of painful experience similar to fasting or flagellation, to be converted into a strength?

      • Echar Lailoken

        Agreed, but I feel some people are prone to be misled by their own bullshit, and the strength earned may be a tenuous spiritual workout, compared to other approaches. Not always of course, but imo the chance for harm of some of these chemicals is not worth it. I can’t speak for ayahuasca, I haven’t taken it.

        However the popularity concerns me. Something else that concerns me is someone taking a dose, a brew, or a few caps and having an experience and coming out the other end thinking they are special in some way. Like it’s given them some power. Like now they are a shaman or some such.

        • Iuwus

          No argument there, vis a vis misled by own bullshit, as I have abundant amounts of direct experience lol. In some cases perhaps it isn’t worth it. However, initiation is by it’s very nature severe.

          I do not find myself concerned by it’s popularity. I have witnessed other species seek out substances we have termed ‘drugs’ and don’t find the behavior unnatural or alarming. I do see it as an expression of a collective desire to take a more direct control of their own realities – or perhaps it’s more the truth to gain less.

          If a person does make it through the chemical trials, and demonstrably has new abilities or methods of perception that are adaptive and useful, I don’t see anything wrong with that either. To come out with ideations that are abstracted from reality and have no real application, is not the most encouraging sign that the trials have been overcome.

          Unfortunately ‘shamanism’ is an appropriation from an ancient and perhaps out-dated paradigm. We could do with some new language or words that better communicate and describe the modern context it has evolved into.

          ps (in response to your comment about other methods, I’m sure there are many. But having gone the chemical route this is what I feel I can speak about, having come out the other side and not finding them necessary anymore)

          • Echar Lailoken

            Very compelling, and I agree with much of what you say. I feel that if people are partaking with the intention of initiation then this is a boon. However, stupid people should not take drugs.

  • http://twitter.com/DanielReasor Daniel Reasor

    Reverse the roles and cast Jehovah as the daemon who wanted to cage humanity in ignorance, and Lucifer as the Serpent of Wisdom, fooling humanity into learning the difference between good and evil, and you have the mythology that has guided my perspective for 38 years through varying degrees of literal and metaphorical belief.

    • Seth

      in my opinion, you sir are the most logical thinking and you connected the dots well.
      am Syrian, yes am 25 and i have the same conclusion you had,.
      so whats the odds of an Arab in Islamic country and no available internet would actually know it ;)
      cheerz!

    • Jonas Planck

      I also find it troubling that religions conflate progress with evil and regression with good, while simultaneously insisting that we deny our base animal origins and be “godly” in our behavior… These two prerogatives are in obvious conflict with each other.

  • kowalityjesus

    Superb article, thanks.

    I despise mega-churches, always have. It’s an unfortunate consequence of the lack of priests (secondarily reduced revenue) that Catholics are being consolidated into larger congregations.

    I would like to bring up a conspiracy theory, that the ranks of Catholicism have been infiltrated by Jews/masons who are satanic agents bent on the Church’s destruction. Actually a reactionary Sedevacantist element is part of what drew me away from Episcopalianism in the first place. I don’t think we can rest the whole burden of the ongoing pedophilia scandal on the shoulders of the Vatican.

    • Matt Staggs

      Allow me to gently nudge you away from the Satanic Jews stuff. I love your contributions here, but I’m trying to keep this place friendly to all sorts of people who want to join the conversation. (Before it even comes up, I’m not a Jew and have no Jewish ancestry.)

      • kowalityjesus

        of course, quite sorry. just another conspiracy theory after all! mustn’t take ourselves TOO seriously [oof]

        • ToadieJay

          Another conspiracy theory? No, it’s insane, fucktarded bullshit that makes no sense at all. As to Jehovah, if you trace back the history an argument can be made that he’s just an incarnation of Set and that his original followers were expelled with the Set-worshipping Hyksos, so the author’s basic thesis isn’t so far-fetched.

      • Jonas Planck

        I must have missed something… did he drop a Z-bomb on us? I’ve always found that the quickest way to discredit your own argument is to throw in the word “Zionist” somewhere…

    • Calypso_1

      ” I don’t think we can rest the whole burden of the ongoing pedophilia scandal on the shoulders of the Vatican.”

      Yes,
      yes we can.

      • kowalityjesus

        whatever, barack obama

  • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

    There is a lot of food for thought here. What are your thoughts on the disinfocast interview of Paul Levy, author of a book about the Wetiko? I feel like a of people are talking about the same phenomenon in different ways. Wetiko/Satan One interesting thing about the Wetiko is that Levy describes it as living in collective unconscious but manifesting itself in the World at Large.

    In Christian Theology there is this idea that the devil his an UnHoly trinity composed of “The World, The Flesh, and the Devil” The flesh has often taken to mean “the body” but in other contexts in the New Testament it seems to be describing what Eastern religions would characterize as “the ego”

    • MoralDrift

      i’d never thought of the connection between “the flesh” and “the ego” before…..gives some more substance to the concept of what it means to experience ego death

      • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

        Yeah, I reread the New testament, the Bhagavad Gita and the Tao te Ching, after some insights I gained from reading Eckhart Tolle. Once I did that I began to see some connections.

  • http://www.facebook.com/ric.bellino Ric Bellino

    Bloody brilliant. Should be required reading in church.

  • jnana

    well, the gnostics did come from Syria.

  • kowalityjesus

    once we have a full unified body of undeniable knowledge, we will get to rightfully call each other’s preconceived notions “fucktarded.” Until then, thank you for your perspective, but the almighty and everliving God stands as a testament to Himself.

  • Jett Rink

    “no”, what?

    • Ad_Astra

      I don’t know what that guy is talking about but satan is not an adversary of God, at least, not according to the bible. Satan is an angel who performs God’s will. Lucifer is not a proper noun but a title and was used in the bible as a term for the king of Babylon, Jesus and the serpent in the Garden of eden. Some people see this serpent as Jesus himself, some a female Goddess and true creator of humanity. Lucifer means “Light bringer” and is used also as a term for Venus as it rises before the sun at dawn. It “bears” the light of the sun just as a prophet bears the light of God.

      • Walter Five

        True. Without Satan, God could have no other followers.

        • Andrew

          As I’ve said before, they sound like a couple of assholes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/foolbert.hicpipkin Hurlubert Pipkin-Pottage

    This is a great post. Where can I get the book Resisting the Great Satan?

  • Jonas Planck

    Makes me think of the strange dichotomy between Lucifer and Prometheus… they are essentially the same being, but they are treated very differently by their respective mythologies… According to both versions of the story, this entity pushed (or seduced, or “gifted”) the human race’s primitive ancestors into an evolutionary leap that made us more than mere beasts, and an angry, stern creator god punished him for this crime. An ETERNAL punishment, which seems strange… it reveals that God (Yahweh, Zeus, six of one, half a dozen of another) never intended for the human race to exist in its present form AT ALL! This suggests not only that this god is neither omnipotent nor omniscient, but that it’s just another cosmic player on the cosmic stage, at the mercy of forces even IT doesn’t understand. So perhaps… God was really the Devil all along! The Devil is traditionally associated with not just anger, wrath, and hate, but also bestial animality, as evidenced by his goat legs and ram’s horns. Yet this is the same figure who tried to guide us AWAY from our animal nature into higher reasoning? And his rival, this supposedly loving father-figure of a creator deity was enraged by this act of “treachery?” Something certainly doesn’t add up here…

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