Why I Am Running for the Humanity+ Board of Directors

Picture: Rachel Haywire (C)

People want to know why I’m running for the Humanity+ board of directors after throwing the second annual Extreme Futurist Festival. Times have changed quite a bit. Festivals like XFF, websites like Transhumanity, and organizations like Zero State have become the new voice of transhumanism.

DIY Transhumanism is practically considered mainstream at this point. Last year I was on the front page of iO9 in an article about radical body modification. Why run for the Humanity+ board of directors? Why bother with the old guard when I’ve worked for several years on creating a new one? Is this just an evil plot for world domination?

When the year 2013 began I did not expect to receive so many angry messages about transhumanism. “Technology is a club for rich people. How will anyone without a nice paycheck be able to experience the Singularity? Do you think that people in developing countries have iPads? Don’t you realize you are living in a bubble?”

My initial response was surprise. The Extreme Futurist Festival was not an exclusive event for rich people. We had many volunteers who were admitted free entry: student discounts: a strong vibe against classism. Someone hitchhiked across the country just to to get to XFF and received donations from their network so they could attend. A major point of XFF was to bring radical technology into the hands of the people. DIY. Yet eventually I understood what was going on. I was now seen as some type of authority on transhumanism, and people had questions that needed to be answered.

Recently, on my Reddit AMA at /r/futurology, I spoke about what I have dubbed poverty of the working class intelligentsia. Being personally connected to hundreds of artists and philosophers who are fighting just to pay their rent, I understand what it feels like to be brilliant yet economically struggling. Many people in San Francisco do not. They think that smart = money. “If you were actually smart you’d be rich.”

It is never that simple. I meet people living in hacker squats who blow me away with their ideas. I meet people at fancy parties who do not hold a candle to them in terms of intellect. They hold progressive political beliefs but remain intellectually conservative. Of course we are all rich in the United States. There is an iPhone app for Couchsurfing.

I am running for the Humanity+ board of directors because I wish for DIY Transhumanism to make this community as inclusive as possible. People feel locked out due to attitudes of exclusivity: like the gates are now closed: like they didn’t graduate from the right university and are now shunned from the core of transhumanism.

We should be letting people in and not locking them out. We should be encouraging a more artistic approach toward the evolution of our species. Class should not be based on wealth but intelligence. People in both developed and developing countries should have the right to medical augmentations. We all deserve a shot at immortality: at mind uploading: at experiencing the Singularity: at enhancing ourselves through technology.

Neurodiverse people should not be seen as a PR disaster. I was recently told that I did not deserve a seat on the Humanity+ board of directors because I was open about being non-neurotypical. This is the type of attitude that needs to end. It is through neurodiversity that new models of consciousness are developing. With so many new flowers blooming, this is a garden that can no longer be contained. The ivory tower has been challenged despite its credentials.

The old guard must accept that we, as a community, have reached a new step in evolution. Through joining the old guard I wish to become a bridge. DIY Transhumanism will tear down the walls that divide the old guard from the new, and the separation between us will finally end. I may not be the most PR-acceptable person who is running in this election, but I guarantee that if you vote for me you will experience a more popular and welcoming future as a member of Humanity+.

  • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

    I tentatively refrain from condemning you.

    This is because you seem to make a very good and conscientious case; you seem to avoid elitism (I was personally quite impressed with the statement: “Being personally connected to hundreds of artists and philosophers who are fighting just to pay their rent, I understand what it feels like to be brilliant yet economically struggling. Many people in San Francisco do not. They think that smart = money. ‘If you were actually smart you’d be rich.’ It is never that simple”).

    Haywire, I’ve basically conditioned myself to these ideas or precepts (for better or for worse, true or untrue):

    1: Transhumanism will be going forward in one way or another, and it will inevitably be cruel to so many people who never had a chance to learn how the world works, or how the systems that govern them actually work. Corrupted education systems and media systems will have kept them in the dark while elitists kept the “light” for themselves.

    2: The techno-grid will increasingly shut out the people who do not “economically contribute” to it — in a world of limited resources and this arbitrary financial-bubble money system and equity ownership system that worked “well enough” during macro-level growth but will work terribly when the money supply passes peak and massive debt obligations remain.

    3: The people “on the grid” (because the financial system or the global economic order invites them on the grid) will find various reasons to ignore or justify the holocaust of people off the grid. There will be these holocausts because the pre-1776 “Masters of Capitalism” will not have been brought to justice in the future any more than they have been today (e.g.: 9/11, Jonestown, JFK, for starters), and these Masters are self-selecting eugenicists who use their mastery of the ownership systems of finance, commerce, and law to manage the rest of humanity as farm animals, and they have no compunction about holocausting any animal stock when it is necessary or profitable.

    4: I could go on but that’s enough for one comment. Basically, you should get the idea that I am very distrustful of the transhuman / humanity+ agenda because I see it as quick to promote the “benefits” of futurism, but also quick to deny the problems of the “Masters of Capitalism”. This is the context of my first sentence, “I tentatively refrain from condemning you.” I am just so distrustful of the elite agenda.

    I’ve spent the last 2.5 years, not trying to “get a job” in a post-peak financial bubble world where the insider megacorps are subsuming the independent-minded corps and individuals into their feudal domains as quickly and quietly as possible, but trying to collect information in my mind and my files and on my open web-pages that will hopefully shine enough light on the “vampires” hiding behind our media and the systems of ownership that will convince any “on the grid” person (of enough honesty and rationality) that there are serious problems in the way our systems are governed, and we should be figuring out how to “cure” or mitigate those problems before we go full-steam-ahead into techno-utopia and futurism.

    One important thing I ask of people is that they figure out their own sins that contributed to let “the bad guys” get away with everything for so long

    So, Haywire, I hope several things. I hope you do get on the board of directors. I hope you don’t get used or deceived by the criminal elites who did 9/11 and got away with it (and many other “conspiracies” that techno-grid cultures like Reddit deny in the mainstream, if not the fringes). And I hope you bring circumspection, “democracy”, “liberty”, as much of the goodness of humanity to Humanity+ as possible.

    • alizardx

      Try “FOLLOW THE MONEY”. That’s how I found out how US Futurism is financed. OpenSecrets http://www.opensecrets.org , Sourcewatch http://www.sourcewatch.org . While your critique isn’t bad, it looks a lot like what I was writing here before I followed the money.

      The money people behind the current movement are the people who fund right-centrism and funded the anti-science / anti-minority / anti-working class GOP campaign of 2012. You think they want a mass of smarter and longer-lived people competing with them for “their” resources?

      Rachel is trying to separate her movement from these people and their anti-human and anti-Transhuman ideology. While I’m dubious about the ability of anyone to do this from within, I support her in her efforts to make this happen.

  • alizardx

    As you are aware, I’ve written several harsh critiques of the Singularity/US Transhumanism movement here and on Twitter based on its financing by techno-capitalists and more conventional right-wing money people who have a vested interest in making sure that the nominal movement agenda, life extension and increased intelligence in humans through technology never happens, with the purpose of creating political passivity in the hipster counter-culture among people who might otherwise try to do something effective by joining Anonymous or Occupy or creating something with far greater impact.

    The message of your movement at the present time is “No need to do anything except maybe vote if the Wonders of THE FUTURE!!! Will Be Delivered To Your Door By The Wise And Benevolent God-like Sages We Call Techno-Capitalists” (aka greedy fuckheads by people who actually do technology) with the invisible fine print being “if you are super-wealthy enough to afford it”.

    You have no idea how pleased I am that you have finally separated yourself from that message.

    While I still think the movement might be burned down and rebooted from scratch without the right-wing corporate DNA that contaminated it at its beginnings as a mass-market product, if you think it can be reformed from within, I support your attempt to do so to the point where I’ll be voting for you for that H+ Board of Directors seat despite my public position on the H+ organization.

    • jnana

      You propose it is a good idea for everyone to get brain augmentations? What about the problems of hacking? If someone can hack a phone or computer shouldn’t they be able to hack tech bodies? Too many potentials for abuse and still UNSUSTAINABLE!!! which is the big problem. Respect Life, not the destruction of Life.

    • Apathesis

      I have fears about the singularity and AI-controlled machinery running amok in the future (yes, I am a pessimist), but even I can realize that it would be unwise not to vote for Haywire. The alternative is much scarier and more dangerous. Thanks for the link.

      • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

        Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson is a self proclaimed “democracy hating proud fascist” who is an editor and blogger for right wing, neo nazi websites with white nationalist politics.

        • alizardx

          Cyberstalking again, I see. Perhaps you should try getting a life rather than keep on failing at preventing Rachel Haywire from creating art and interesting ideas. Remember when you tried to stop her book Acidexia from getting funded? It’s out in both e-book and paperback formats now.

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

            1. facts are not “stalking” 2. rachel herself is the one accused of stalkling, by her own words and admission here: See also this band who sought law enforcement help as they claim Rachel was STALKING… them.

            Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson aka Rachel “Marone” threatened with legal action for STALKING a rival band :http://tinyurl.com/786aqtw

            she ADMITS she is a “new right” fascist! SHE BLOGS FOR FASCIST WEBSITES! stop being the enemy of plain, cold facts, kid!

          • alizardx

            And how many years have you been following her around boring the shit out of people with a list of Rachel’s trivial personal sins? I remember your crap from the USENET days telling the world about what a horrible person she was. I detested you before I ever encountered Rachel because you were boring me.

            Based on your apparent disappearance, I thought you’d died and left the world a better place.

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

            facts are not your friends, and I have never posted on usenet. You are simply incorrect. and you are a fascist neo nazi too? you support that?

          • alizardx

            You don’t have a lot of personal credibility. Why don’t you discuss your Usenet activities or the lack of them with your sockpuppets.

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

            again with the ad hominem! read Rachel’s OWN WORDS on “hating democracy” and “proud fascism” – i linked to them! read her OWN WORDS on being legally pursued for STALKING people wholly unrelated to my person. address the _facts_ kid, not more of your generic and baseless accusations against someone you have no actual knowledge of. ARE you a FASCIST too like your friend Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson PROUDLY proclaims she IS? Answer that, son.

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

            I am not running for office, kid. And I have no history with usenet, you are mistaken. ARE YOU A SELF PROCLAIMED FASCIST LIKE RACHEL “HAYWIRE” MENDELSON STATES HERSELF THAT SHE IS? Or are you just a SUPPORTER of fascism?

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

            please address the facts I have contributed, and cease your useless ad hominem which isn’t even remotely factual. you are irrational, and that is a weak place to preach reason from, son!

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

            nazism and financial fraud and stalking are her “trivial” sins eh? hate to see what you think is non-trivial…

          • alizardx

            Rachel has explored manyt

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

            Stalking is exactly what Nikki of “Prometheus Burning” charged Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson with when Nikki called the police! See also this band who sought law enforcement help as they claim Rachel was STALKING… them.

            Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson aka Rachel “Marone” threatened with legal action for STALKING a rival band :http://tinyurl.com/786aqtw

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

            SO YOU are a Fascist apologist! well, that is cleared up.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            sooo… card carrying white nationalist neo nazism and out proud literal Fascism/Racism are AOK for you? wow. just… wow.

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

            Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson aka “Rachel Marone” stole $3,000 in a kickstarter fraud that left only angry backers with no CD printed or sold, and no promised cut % made to a charity for the mentally ill. Then a full _year_ later, when Kickstarter would not let Ms. “Marone” run a new scam? “Marone” then made up a cock and bull story about a “kickstarter stalker” to try to use media shaming to essentially extort kickstarter. It didn’t work, and she is now digitally panhandling with meager success on a 3rd party kickstarter wannabee site with less oversight and direct paypal payment.

            She __never_ had a stalker, the whole damn story is delusional! and right here are backers of Rachel’s original fraudulent Kickstarter scheme for which she got 3k$ and delivered nothing that was promised.

            http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/machinekuntrecords

            here are the quotes from the unhappy backers of that project that did nothing but take money for Rachel’s personal use.

            “If you’re a backer of this project, please log into read this post.

            5of 5View Previous Comments.

            Robert Breighneron January 26, 2011.
            thanx for posting this update.
            we’ll hang in there”.

            Erik Roy Tomrenon September 26, 2011.
            so when is this coming out? the hard copy version, not the download.

            Caton February 24.
            It’s a year after this posting, almost two years after this was funded, and I have yet to receive my hard copy of this album. Very displeased. :/

            Steve Crosson March 15.
            Is the hard copy ever going to appear. A further update would be nice. I am not very happy!

            Caton April 14.
            Apparently this is going on (http://rachelmarone.com/banned-from-kickstarter-for-being-a-stalking-victim.html), but there’s no mention of this Kickstarter at all. I highly doubt we’ll see anything soon.

            Cat on May 27, 2012
            Hey guys. It seems we will not be getting our product and we have been swindled out of our money. I have contacted Kickstarter to see what they can do for us, but it’s not going to be very promising.
            Rachel still has her Facebook and Twitter accounts, but isn’t answering to any questions about this project and has pretty much denied its existence by doing so. If you want to try to contact her about it (or getting your money back), please let me know how that goes… I actually ordered things from the MachineKUNT store a while ago and received only half of my order. When I brought it up, it was ignored as well. :/ Hopefully some one else has better luck.

          • Apathesis
          • alizardx

            http://gniklats.com/ discusses “David Powell” cyberstalking history of Rachel Haywire, among others.

          • Jackp1neSavage
          • Apathesis

            I recall this website showing up in my search on Google, but I didn’t
            click because it did not seem to contain any pertinent info underneath
            the link. Oops. Very interesting that one of his aliases’ is Thylacine, hence the name of the website. Too bad marsupial is spelled incorrectly and “Powell” has tainted the name of one of my favorite animals. Reginald Honeysack B.Q is another alias I have come across.

            I did however stumble on that lone, one-star review on Amazon and assumed it to be him. The more I have looked into this, it seems all information about Haywire seems to come from this guy.

            Why does so much drama follow Haywire? Truly bizarre.

          • alizardx

            She’s brilliant, controversial, hot, unafraid to say what she thinks (though she may think something else tomorrow), doesn’t knuckle under to guys. The surprise is that she’s only attracted a single “lone nut” harasser.

            You did well to check the facts for yourself instead of buying the accusations.

          • Apathesis

            I don’t know enough about her, but I intend to learn more. And I’m sucker for women in glasses.

            It’s hard to trust anything these days, but today has been enlightening, for lack of a better word.

          • alizardx

            She’s got a new website in progress, but I don’t think it’s open for business yet.

            If you’re into really extreme industrial/EBM, go to youtube and search on Experiment Haywire. Then, turn up your sound system all the way.

            You’ve already found her autobio Acidexia at Amazon, I’ve read and recommend it. While it cuts off several years ago, it’ll tell you how she got that way.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            the facts are what are being deleted and supressed here : Rachel Haywire Mendelson’s fully documented, factual history of : financial fraud, stalking and affiliation with neo nazis and writing of fascist articles!

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            you have the opposite of facts, you are spreading lies in defiance of very well documented facts.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            you are back in the corner of an “out proud fascist”, a financial grifter and a stalker!

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith
          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            anyone who believes any of that illiterate and mis-spelled grammatical horror and pile of clumsy lies needs their heads examined for parietal stroke!

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            Rachel “Haywire” threatened with legal action for STALKING a rival band : http://tinyurl.com/786aqtw

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            REPOSTED BECAUSE the $3,000.00 + Rachel Haywire stole in kickstarter fraud that did not produce the promised product, HAS NOT BEEN REFUNDED. and it has been almost THREE YEARS NOW!

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            and right here are backers of Rachel’s original fraudulent Kickstarter scheme for which she got $3,000 and delivered nothing that was promised.

            http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/machinekuntrecords

            here are the quotes from the unhappy backers of that project that did nothing but take money for Rachel’s personal use.

            “If you’re a backer of this project, please log into read this post.

            5of 5View Previous Comments.

            Robert Breighneron January 26, 2011.
            thanx for posting this update.
            we’ll hang in there”.

            Erik Roy Tomrenon September 26, 2011.
            so when is this coming out? the hard copy version, not the download.

            Caton February 24.
            It’s a year after this posting, almost two years after this was funded, and I have yet to receive my hard copy of this album. Very displeased. :/

            Steve Crosson March 15.
            Is the hard copy ever going to appear. A further update would be nice. I am not very happy!

            Caton April 14.
            Apparently this is going on (http://rachelmarone.com/banned-from-kickstarter-for-being-a-stalking-victim.html), but there’s no mention of this Kickstarter at all. I highly doubt we’ll see anything soon.

            Cat on May 27, 2012
            Hey guys. It seems we will not be getting our product and we have been swindled out of our money. I have contacted Kickstarter to see what they can do for us, but it’s not going to be very promising.
            Rachel still has her Facebook and Twitter accounts, but isn’t answering to any questions about this project and has pretty much denied its existence by doing so. If you want to try to contact her about it (or getting your money back), please let me know how that goes… I actually ordered things from the MachineKUNT store a while ago and received only half of my order. When I brought it up, it was ignored as well. Hopefully some one else has better luck.

          • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather
          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson aka Rachel “Marone” threatened with legal action for STALKING a rival band : http://tinyurl.com/786aqtw

  • alizardx

    If you don’t want augmentation, don’t buy it or if it’s covered under your health insurance plan, don’t make an appointment at your health care provider to get the procedure. Problem solved. Of course, if you can’t compete with most of the people around you at whatever you do because you are not augmented, don’t whine to the rest of us. Augmentation is just another tool kit, like a personal computer or a smartphone.

    Security is a more or less solvable problem given competent vendors and competent end users who know the meaning of the phrase “mobile computer connected to the Internet”. Do YOU have anti-virals and other security software on your smartphone? I

    Learn about this stuff yourself and perhaps you’ll be worthy of being taken seriously.

    Also note the word “anti-viral”. Our bodies evolved in an environment full of info-threats, what else is a pathogenic bacterium or virus but an information package with data not good for the human body? Yes,. there is a problem, and as in dealing with biological information threats with vaccines and vitamins, one deals with computer-based info-threats to one’s nervous system by keeping your immune system functioning optimally.

    This technology is going to happen, the people who can afford to pay for this can use this as a differential advantage over the rest of us. The worst potentials for abuse happen if the only people who can get this are the elites. This is far more dangerous to everyone than hacking can possibly be, as the current generation of the transnational elites are interested in short-term return on investment, not ensuring that this planet will continue to support human life.

    • jnana

      Compete? You’re still stuck in the so-called “elite’s” mind-frame. Life is not about competition, but cooperation. We’re taught in school that progress is competition and destroying and conquering. PROJECTION MAKES PERCEPTION. There is no such thing as progress. Zeno proved motion is impossible, and it is. Eternity is unchanging and that is what the so-called Singularity attempts to imitate. Nothing is new under the sun. All knowledge is remembering. The mystics throughout the ages were not ignorant. They were acquainted with Eternity.
      What technology is doing is atrophying the gifts of the soul. All that needs to be achieved can be achieved by Mind, not a computer. Those who depend on aid from the outside deny self-sufficiency. Simplicity is Key. We have all the gifts of the Fullness of the Treasury available to us every instant of Life. I don’t need a machine to breathe. And when I receive blessed release from matter, I still lack nothing.
      Rumi said something to the effect that the devil tries to deceive man into believing he lacks, and tempts him to consume more. I do not lack. You do not lack. Realize SLACK. It’s available every moment.
      All this technophilic crap is delusional belief in the myth of progress.
      All knowledge is remembering!

      • alizardx

        It’s people like you that make New Age belief systems embarrassing to be associated with.

        ‘ But the technophiliacs interfere with MY choice to live in a world pristine.’

        I’m sure that as much environmental pollution went into the creation of your computer as it did mine. And the transmission of your “wisdom” is powered by as much coal-fired electricity bit for bit as the facts and informed speculation that power mine.

        No solutions for that exist in your belief system. In mine, renewable energy and space industrialization can deal with the problems.

        You are a hypocrite and a fool.

        • jnana

          I have never bought a computer or a phone. Yes, I use them on occasion, but it is not easy to live without using any electricity unless I manage to find a community of like minded individuals. There is little support for those who desire to live primitive lifestyle if you are not Amish. Though most of the year I do live and work on primitive style subsistence farms or live in wilderness. Wintertime, I often go back home to spend time with my family. I am not a hypocrite. But I do admit to using technology, but the powers that be have made it very difficult for those who are born IN a primitive community to maintain even a subsistence lifestyle.. How much more difficult is it for someone born in typical American society?
          I aim to give back more than I take, and that’s why I advocate “primitive” living. As much as possible, I shit outside ;)
          Alternative energy is a farce. There is no solution to our unsustainable society except living with a lot less “stuff” The earth can support all life and much more, we just have to live with less crap and consume much less, and, of course, shit outside.
          There are solutions, but not technological. I hope for people to realize them, And there is much room for creativity and real progress if we abandon technology. There is also a lot of joy and pleasure in Natural Living. I’ve experienced it and I think a lot of modern ennui and apathy can be diminished if we go back to our roots.
          Please refrain from calling me a hypocrite or fool. You know VERY little about me, so it’s not justified. I also don’t believe I’m “new age”, I may share some ideas with them, but generally, I disagree with new age. I also do not glorify nature. I think technology is actually congruent with the way nature made man, and perhaps Mother Nature is suicidal or irrational. I believe resisting technology is supernatural and transcending nature and nurture too. For example, nature built us to be lustful and vengeful. For an individual to transcend that is “super natural” Technology is an outgrowth of how nature built us. But we don’t need it. Just like we don’t need lust and vengeance. Instead, what is needed now for our lives is MINDFULNESS and/or CONSCIOUSNESS. Conscious sexuality, conscious anger, conscious living. The more people who realize this, the more cooperation. And cooperation is what is needed for life to be sustained on this earth, now. Don’t believe the hype about competition and “survival of the fittest”. That was the old way. Something new is needed and it’s not the novelty of IPhones and CPUs.

          • alizardx

            Abandoning technology as a species takes the earth’s carrying capacity down to the hunter-gatherer level on a planet with depleted natural resources down to what I would guess to be 10% of it’s current level. Meaning a human population decline of 90%.

            You volunteering to be part of that 90% who has to die?

          • jnana

            Why do you assume the earth can’t sustain life without technological interference? That’s ridiculous!

            I don’t propose we go back to hunter-gatherers, although many may be able to live like that if we abandon our rape of the earth. I suggest sustainable farming, which can be done without too much technology, just simple tools. I don’t think we have to abandon all tools, just the tools that take too much of a toll on the earth, like gas engines and machines of war, etc. Perhaps their could be one diesel powered sawmill for a community of a few thousand. One bus per neighborhood, changes like that.

            I just think we need to abandon excessive consumption of earth’s resources and live simpler lifestyles, but I’m talking about radical changes, not like those proposed by alternative energy types, but also not as radical as everyone becoming hunter-gatherers.

            The Earth still has plenty of resources if we go back to living in small farming communities. But it should be done soon, before we are forced to. We could help the regeneration of the Earth, too. If we do it soon, the earth could support all its inhabitants and more. We need to start by helping the soil. Too many take too much, and its all unnecessary crap that betters nobodies lives, not even theirs. How empty are the rich? They truly live in poverty, unaware of the real riches of Nature and loving human community.

          • alizardx

            You have no idea what the real implications of a “simpler lifestyle” means in terms of reduced carrying capacity and why. Get back to me when you have learned enough about politics and economics and ecosystems and environmental technology and history to provide me with more than vague platitudes. See you in 10 years.

          • jnana

            So tell me then. What are the implications of the simpler lifestyle I advocated above? How will a simpler lifestyle negatively affect the earth’s carrying capacity? Please tell me, but do it in a polite and reasonable manner, without name-calling please.
            What proof is there that the earth couldn’t sustain life without human technological interference? I see plenty of proof, though, that our excessive consumption and technological interference is damaging the earth’s “carrying capacity”. What have synthetic fertilizers done to the soil? What has industrialization done for the earth? Tell me how man has given back to the mother that sustains him.
            It is my opinion that the “powers that be” are purposely destroying the earth so the average human must depend on them and therefore won’t be able to stand up for themselves on fear of having the techno-tit taken away. This is a theory without much proof, it’s a hunch I have, an intuition.
            Nevertheless, I would like to hear more about politics, economics, ecosystems, and environmental technology from you. What have the professors taught you as proof that the earth can’t sustain life without technology’s interference?

          • alizardx

            You’re asking me to sum up what I’ve learned over decades in a single post. IWould you ask a doctor diagnosing you to do the same to explain modern medicine to you to provide context for why your finger needs to be amputated?

          • jnana

            Simplified:
            What proof is there that the earth couldn’t sustain life without human technological interference? Not to mention the quality of life for all living beings.

  • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

    Agreed.

    • alizardx

      You agree with him that the elites don’t run things? Who do you think tells CEOs and the bi-partisan political leadership what to do?

      • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

        I just try and leave room for as many people as possible in my ethics-sphere. That one (Dana) seemed to me to be on-point about a lot of things. In fact I did not fully parse and fact-test (according to my fact-sphere) everything he or she said. I missed the statement that you question whether I agree with.

        Let me check the statement in question. Is this it?
        “The people governing this country are not the Elite. The CEOs of huge corporations are the Elite.”

        Well, I interpret that as him or her saying that the politicians and regulators are not the elite, but the corporate executives and officers at the megacorps are the de-facto governors of this county — the “elite”.

        And I quite agree with you, alizardx, that there are people who can pick up a phone and tell the CEOs what to do. These people, in my conception, are the Agents of the Elite Holders of Capital who control investment (and the Principals themselves), as well as the elite lawyers and the elite military commanders. And other elites. So I actually do think Dana has a conception of the power structure which is not yet as accurate as I believe mine is. He or she is not as far along as I am. And I don’t 100% agree with him or her.

        But where I agree with Dana more than you, is that I don’t need to dispute everyone who is not as far along as I am in every way. I agree with his or her other points to a large degree — not so much as a matter of elitist-intellect fact-testing or elitist-rational fact-testing, but as a matter of “we’re all human, and I’m doing the best I know at this point, unlike some other people whom I would condemn.” And I have taken it as a precept that I should be tolerant of the conceptions of others which seem wrong to me, if possible. Maybe I am the one who does not wrong and they are right and I just can’t see it yet.

        In other words, I wouldn’t be harshly critical to someone who just taken the first “red pill” of The Matrix, and has not done much learning down the road from that point, and says something I don’t 100% agree with, and thus hit them over the head with the full extent of my personal fact-sphere, and ethics-sphere, and beliefs about “what is real?” and “what is the right course of action?” today. (Not saying you are being harshly critical, btw.) I would just encourage them on their journey, knowing that there are plenty of lesser, arrogant, intellect-rational people out there who will take care of the job of fact-checking everything that person says.

        So I just recognize Dana as something “fighting the good fight,” who may or may not be above or below me in his or her understanding of things, and I praise some of the points he or she has made by saying “Agreed”.

        * * *

        I appreciate the pointers you have given me here and elsewhere, alizardx.

        Consider three further possibilities:

        (1) I am not as intelligent as you (in enough spheres of intellect) to ever understand the all the facts of life that you do, and I will never get there either. I’ll be retarded or self-blinded in the greater scheme of things until I die. But somehow my actions still manage to serve the greater good in some way that you can’t yet see, but you will see some day when you are an immortal super-human.

        (2) I could eventually come to understand things as you do, on my own journey in life, but I become offended and defensive when someone tells me I’m wrong after I have spoken the truth as best I know it. I, like many other people, prefer to make my own moves in the chess-game of life, even when someone better or more learned tells me what moves are better. The feeling I get (rightly or wrongly) from someone telling me I’m wrong in one point makes me less likely to listen to them. I cling more tightly to it or to the rest of my points of belief. In this case, you would have actually slowed my progress by being critical of me.

        (3) That the moral sword with which we cut down others is the moral sword by which we may be cut down. If I believe that becoming an elite transhumanist is a competitive imperative, and I don’t think certain lesser beings deserve my compassion, then I may find myself cut down by a more powerful being than myself, one which I was unaware of. Humans are kind to endangered species like lions, in the sense that we try to keep them alive in conservatories. But if certain lions tried to evolve to become not just The Kings of The Jungle, but The Kings of The Earth, then we would no longer wish to conserve those lions — we would attack them as a matter of self-preservation. There may be Higher Powers right now which would attack any hyper-aggressive or dis-compassionate transhumans as a matter of their own self-preservation.

        • alizardx

          The problem with commenting on a post with “Agreed” is that you go on record as supporting not only the “motherhood and apple pie” stuff in that mass of intellectual incoherence, but the parts that are intellectually indefensible to any reasonable person and the parts that show he attacked Rachel’s post based on things she not only did not say, but would not agree with. Better to be specific.

          As for “harsh criticism”, note my comments on Dale’s and Jnana’s posts. Or go back along my Disqus timeline for some of my comments on Futurism and Futurism as it exists today.

          BTW, more resources for you… try Naked Capitalism and Baseline Scenario.

          • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

            Looking up and down the thread, I see the place where I said “agreed” is deleted, and the person called “Dana” ‘s contribution is gone too. I swear I did not delete any of my own comments.

            I do trust the moderator(s) — keep in mind I’m new to the site and haven’t listened to the podcasts or the mods yet — and since it seems none of my substantive comments have been deleted, I feel like “the system is working”.

            Alizardx, you’re a cool cat and we will talk more on other threads. Let me just say that sometimes I’ll explain myself in full, and sometimes I’ll just say “Agreed” without qualification. Staying un-predictable is one of my tenets, since I suspect we have all been watched for years by those with powers of “surveillance” who try to use data they have acquired on us to predict our next moves and manipulate us systemically. Cybernetics and systems engineering and a covert class of people whose “job” in life is to manage the rest of us like animals is an old ideal. It’s happening now and it’s been happening for years, I believe.

            And with that said, I’ll mention that one of my ideas I have kept in my head (not an original idea, but I have not given external signs that I “like it” for the surveillers to predict me with) is to endorse some form of what David Brin calls “sousveillance”, or to demand that surveillance be used on all surveillers before it can be used on the surveilled.

            That’s a radical idea to many who think that State Secrets Are Paramount and the “National Security” State would fall to “the Russians” or “the Chinese” or fucking Venezuela (lol) or something like that, but (1) it’s just an opinion of mine, at the end of the day, and (2) I think provable facts can come out which cast fatal doubt on the whole idea of “us versus them” as nations — the world is a different place than the RAND corp strategists would have us believe.

          • alizardx

            I agree with Brin regarding sousveillance and with his statements that accumulated power of the elites is the usual cause of death for any human society or civilization which is no longer with us. (He said this on DailyKos, don’t know where else he’s said this.)

            However, he is also tied in to the Futurist Singularity establishment these days… which for me, drastically reduces his credibility. You should be able to find the evidence for this via Google easily enough.

  • alizardx

    You’re “not even wrong”.

    Fortune 1000 CEOs tend to be in the centi-millionaire ($100M-900M) ” class. Who’s interests do you think they represent? Who tends to be among the major stockholders at any given company other than pension funds? Denying the dominance of the top 0.001% is like denying the importance of oxygen in human metabolism. Read this for a clue: http://www.aljazeera.com/news/europe/2013/01/201312061337695543.html

    “EVERYBODY become less oppressed” – a succinct statement of where Rachel Haywire is coming from. Reread her post. She wants technology to be used to free people. If you read her statement to mean something else, your problem is in your reading skills, not with her.

    A social worker who opposes “big government” and higher taxes and voting for the political left? That’s where your job comes from. Hope some benevolent Deity is watching over your clients.

    Rachel Haywire herself has ASD (Autism Spectrum Disorder), that is what her comments about neurodiversity above refers to and what she means by “I was recently told that I did not deserve a seat on the Humanity+ board of directors because I was open about being non-neurotypical. ”

    One thing she hopes for from bio-enhancement is a fix for the resulting problems which inconvenience her most. So don’t project your fears about ” learning disabilities and psychological conditions deserve to be displaced” on her.

    ” “Class should not be based on wealth but intelligence” – the historic alternatives to governance regardless of what name it operates under are meritocracy, aristocratic rule (including oligarchy, monarchy, etc) and theocracy. ONE of these systems has been demonstrated to work in human history. The one that favors intelligence.

    As for your saying “there are no easy answers”, you don’t even know what the questions are.

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

    Keith Preston is the Neo Nazi homophobe who runs the hate site (attackthesystem.com) that Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson now is an “editor” of and exuberantly blogs for : http://goo.gl/25lkc

    Rachel ‘Haywire’ Mendelson is now writing “essays” for Neo Nazi website that also spews hate at LGBT.She says “It’s not hate, just anti-PC”

    “Now here is the thing. I was obviously someone who enjoyed decadence myself. I was a cyborg, a raver, a burner, a club kid, an orgy-loving postmodernist, etc. Evola would have hated me. Why was I reading his stuff? Cruising through Berkeley blasting fascist military music all over again?” – R. Haywire here:

    http://attackthesystem.com/2013/01/07/betrayal-of-the-discipline/

    See also this band who sought law enforcement help as they claim Rachel was STALKING… them.

    Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson aka Rachel “Marone” threatened with legal action for STALKING a rival band : http://tinyurl.com/786aqtw

  • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

    you are aware, are you not that Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson has been collecting an SSDI disability welfare check for mental illness since she was 18 years old? Are you aware that she is a self proclaimed “democracy hating right wing fascist” and that she blogs for fascist websites? Are you aware of her close family connection to Janet Reno, her “Aunt Janet?” Mendelson comes from extreme wealth and from real “political royalty.”

    • alizardx

      What the hell does your trolling have to do with her running for the Board of Directors of a Futurist organization?

      Rachel Haywire has never made a secret of her neurological problems. Rational people try to help people with problems. Instead, you ARE a problem.

      How many years have you spent following around all over cyberspace “warning the world” about her? Offhand, I’d guess well over 12. You are in no position to complain about anyone else’s mental illness.

      • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

        nazism and financial fraud and stalking are her “trivial” sins eh? hate to see what you think is non-trivial…

        please address the facts I have contributed, and cease your useless ad hominem which isn’t even remotely factual. you are irrational, and that is a weak place to preach reason from, son!

        facts are not your friends, and I have never posted on usenet. You are simply incorrect. and you are a fascist neo nazi too? you support that?

        • jnana

          Although I may not agree with D. Powell’s aggressiveness towards the matter, I would like to point out that fascistic thinking goes hand in hand with Transhumanism. The Nazis would have definitely been Human+, Nietzsche, too. They speak of transcendence and progress, but they are the true primitives. They are the “apes” and their evolution is devolution. What they propose as inevitable progress is inevitably bulshit. They are the ones who can’t think outside the box. If we went back to our roots we would not be stagnant or static. Their is much room for creativity in Natural Living. There is much room for intellectual progress and learning. Knowledge is infinite and we’ll never drain it’s deep well.
          But the point I wanted to get across is Transhumanism and fascism/Nazism/eugenics go hand in hand. It is an evil philosophy that ignores the rights of other living beings for the sake of imperialistic competitive “progress” and that is the reason it appeals to so many power-mongering neocons.

          • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

            Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson recently stated in a speech that “Hitler ruined eugenics for the rest of us, but now we have a chance to reclaim it with genetics.”

          • jnana

            Exactly what I’m talking about. Eugenics is still prominent in our “progressive” society. In fact, Planned Parenthood was founded by a eugenicist who thought it a good idea to encourage blacks and poor people to have abortions. Progressive?
            Eugenics is a natural outgrowth of the competitive “survival of the fittest” attitude. There is a reason evolutionary theory is dogma in public schools. But, there are many free-thinking scientists, even, who disagree with some of natural selection theory, which is still THEORY.
            Transhumanist theory is an outgrowth of this same delusion. I believe the God of Love has intervened in our situation, though, for power-mongerers will actually find it more difficult to survive. We can no longer function on the competition wavelength. We must now practice cooperation and ALTRUISM. The transhumanists claim they preach altruism, but that is a lie. We must cooperate with Life, not try to strong arm it. Energy resources are limited and that is a good thing. Their plans will not come to fruition. They will not colonise other planets. They will not find alternative energy solutions. And they need the cooperation of menial laborers(not to mention the cooperation of natural life) to achieve their plans. This is why they will preach “Augmentation for all humanity”. But they can’t strong arm the Spirit of Wisdom. No one knows from whence that wind blows. It is the Ultimate Cause, the Prime Mover, the Eternal, the still, small voice whispering in our ears and if we cease listening to the clang and clamor we may receive the blessing of Sophia(wisdom)
            The manipulative individuals will lose in the end. The meek will inherit the Earth. When more people see the fruits of a loving, cooperative lifestyle more people will want to practice it. This is why its absolutely imperative for more people to practice it. So more can see it. I realize it is rare, though. We are the salt of the earth, the yeast in the dough. The salt changes the flavor of the entire meal, and it also preserves. A little yeast can change the entire consistency.
            “Look, I have cast fire upon the Earth, and I’m guarding it till it blazes”

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            QUOTE “Hitler ruined eugenics for the rest of us. Genomics will give us back our eugenics.” “Hitler was supposed to wipe out the cis-humans.” UNQUOTE – Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson

        • alizardx

          Facts :http://gniklats.com/ discusses “David Powell” cyberstalking history of Rachel Haywire, among others. You think you’re the only one that knows how to copy and paste? Though really, copy/paste is more trouble than you’re worth.

          • Jackp1neSavage

            you have chosen the lie, not facts and not reason

      • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

        politicians MUST answer to their character, political beliefs, and especially to their past misconduct (2010 not “twelve years ago”) !

        • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

          Wow, watching the discussion unfold on this thread is amazing to me.

          I’m glad I was as careful as I could to not speak outside of my opinion-zone or fact-zone. I am new to the site and community and I like it because of the intelligence and nuance I see coming out of many commenters (on many other threads).

          I am not completely new to the fields of transhumanist theory and debate. But I have not done nearly as much study and critique of it as so many other people have. My understanding and worldview can be pejoratively said to be “a mile wide and an inch deep,” although I would counter that my understanding of some things goes deeper than an inch when I choose to pull-the-thread-on-the-sweater. And, still, it is true I may be faulted for not pulling on enough threads. But I am just writing this now for general context in my own words for “anyone” to judge me by, not for you in particular, David Powell.

          It seems to me that we truly live in a world where no individual can see enough of the big picture to be able to tell everyone else what to think or to do:
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant

          I thank you for your contributions, David Powell, and for the leads you have given me to investigate.

          • alizardx

            You’ve been had. http://gniklats.com/ discusses “David Powell” cyberstalking history of Rachel Haywire, among others.

          • Jackp1neSavage

            complete horseshit.

          • alizardx

            Is David Powell your sockpuppet? Or are you his?

          • Jackp1neSavage

            See also this band who sought law enforcement help as they claim Rachel was STALKING… them.

            Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson aka Rachel “Marone” threatened with legal action for STALKING a rival band :http://tinyurl.com/786aqtw

          • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

            Oh, I see.
            I think.

          • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

            This reminds me of two things:

            This:
            http://antifascist-calling.blogspot.com/2011/03/sock-puppet-planet-secret-states-quest.html

            And this. It’s from page 41 of 2008′s Spies for Hire, by Tim Shorrock:

            In 1984, under a contract with the CIA, Booz Allen was paying academics to gather information about the New People’s Army, the armed wing of the Maoist Communist Party of the Philippines.

            Later, the company brought its social network analysis — the mapping and measuring of relationships between people, social organizations, and governments — to Central America. Just before U.S. forces were dispatched to Haiti during a period of intense social unrest in 1994, the Pentagon’s Atlantic Command commissioned Booz Allen to devise a computer model of Haitian society. The model, according to an extensive report published in The Nation magazine, sought to identify Haitian organizations that might oppose the U.S. invasion. It was seen by human rights groups as part of a U.S. “divide-and-conquer strategy” designed to weaken grassroots leftist groups and shore up “moderate” forces that welcomed the long-term U.S. presence. During the first Gulf War, Booz Allen developed a similar “Power Relationship Matrix” on Iraqi society for the U.S. Central Command.

            I have been reading that book in between doing other things, recently. Not finished yet, but I think it’s essential reading, as a roadmap for the largely-unreported names of the power players in, and the largely-unreported structure of, the U.S. Intelligence Community (which I would stress includes Counter-Intelligence) in this post-9/11 world.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            and right here are backers of Rachel’s original fraudulent Kickstarter scheme for which she got $3,000 and delivered nothing that was promised.

            http://www.kickstarter.com/profile/machinekuntrecords

            here are the quotes from the unhappy backers of that project that did nothing but take money for Rachel’s personal use.

            “If you’re a backer of this project, please log into read this post.

            5of 5View Previous Comments.

            Robert Breighneron January 26, 2011.
            thanx for posting this update.
            we’ll hang in there”.

            Erik Roy Tomrenon September 26, 2011.
            so when is this coming out? the hard copy version, not the download.

            Caton February 24.
            It’s a year after this posting, almost two years after this was funded, and I have yet to receive my hard copy of this album. Very displeased. :/

            Steve Crosson March 15.
            Is the hard copy ever going to appear. A further update would be nice. I am not very happy!

            Caton April 14.
            Apparently this is going on (http://rachelmarone.com/banned-from-kickstarter-for-being-a-stalking-victim.html), but there’s no mention of this Kickstarter at all. I highly doubt we’ll see anything soon.

            Cat on May 27, 2012
            Hey guys. It seems we will not be getting our product and we have been swindled out of our money. I have contacted Kickstarter to see what they can do for us, but it’s not going to be very promising.
            Rachel still has her Facebook and Twitter accounts, but isn’t answering to any questions about this project and has pretty much denied its existence by doing so. If you want to try to contact her about it (or getting your money back), please let me know how that goes… I actually ordered things from the MachineKUNT store a while ago and received only half of my order. When I brought it up, it was ignored as well. Hopefully some one else has better luck.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            anyone who would believe that crap shack of illiterate gibberish and childish lies needs to have their head examined for parietal stroke! http://davidpo973528.tumblr.com/

          • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

            He deleted his contributions?
            wtf….

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            No, disinfo “editor” Matt Staggs deleted ALL the documented facts regarding Rachel Haywire Mendelson’s : stalking Nikki of the band Prometheus Burning, Haywire’s financial scams that robbed kickstarter backers, and her ‘out proud’ fascism which now has her writing sweet little “essays” on racist and literal neo nazi websites!

            more here:

            http://davidpo973528.tumblr.com/

          • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

            Dude I know the whole story by now and you’re clearly a dishonest person — even if only to yourself (what might be called “delusional”). But I think you’re more than dishonest with yourself and that you’re being dishonest with me and everyone else and it won’t be long before you get deleted again.

            Your claims are just mis-colored mis-characterizations of what happened, and you’re wasting all our time.

            Are you going to add me onto your little shit-list now? Are you going to mis-color and mis-characterize what I’m saying to you and cyber-ink it up all over the web?

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            HER OWN WORDS regarding being in danger of legal trouble for STALKING, those are cold facts. I haven’t committed a shred of dishonesty.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            $3,000.00 of kickstarter fraud, cut and dried. Absolute fact – no product ever produced and dozens of angrily complaining backers.

          • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

            posts on neo nazi websites and IN HER OWN WORDS “out proud Fascism” – you are the only one being dishonest and denying fully documented, iron clad FACTS in the matter of Rachel ‘Haywire’ Mendelson!

      • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

        Keith Preston is the Neo Nazi homophobe who runs the hate site (attackthesystem.com) that Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson now is an “editor” of and exuberantly blogs for : http://goo.gl/25lkc

        Rachel ‘Haywire’ Mendelson is now writing “essays” for Neo Nazi website that also spews hate at LGBT.She says “It’s not hate, just anti-PC”

        “Now here is the thing. I was obviously someone who enjoyed decadence myself. I was a cyborg, a raver, a burner, a club kid, an orgy-loving postmodernist, etc. Evola would have hated me. Why was I reading his stuff? Cruising through Berkeley blasting fascist military music all over again?” – R. Haywire here:

        http://attackthesystem.com/2013/01/14/the-thriving-pulse-of-decadence/

        See also this band who sought law enforcement help as they claim Rachel was STALKING… them.

        Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson aka Rachel “Marone” threatened with legal action for STALKING a rival band :http://tinyurl.com/786aqtw

  • DeepCough

    Strictly speaking, I do not consider transhumanism to be “evolution.” Transhumanism is better described as “artificial augmentation,” the inevitable path us humans have been taking since the founding of metallurgy to further distance us “civilized humans” from a natural world we have come to despise because we are simply not adapted to survive in it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/samantha.atkins2 Samantha Atkins

    What ‘new step of evolution’? Just because some of us are a-typical in various ways means we are a new step of evolution? I don’t see how that follows.

    Nor is it at all obvious how a claim that everyone deserves X for any X beyond basic right inherent in being human, can possibly be correct. X may be very very difficult and at least initially rather expensive and/or in short supply. Should everyone be denied X until X can be produced, preferably for free, for everyone? How would this be likely to lead to any real progress on transhumanist technologies?

    Why is being inclusive as possible a goal? I mean we can say we are inclusive and welcome even those that are enemies of one or more strong H+ goals and aspirations. Inclusion per se is not a panacea.

    Tranhumanism has never ever been a rich person’s exclusive club. The claim that it is is a complete strawman. Setting one’s campaign on defeating a strawman and supporting a fake leap in evolution and being more artistic is pretty weak.

    • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

      Well Said. Well said, indeed!

    • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

      The story behind this is that Natasha Vita More (aka Mom of Mom’s Robot Oil Company) got tired of Rachel’s drama and fired her from H+ magazine, and has disowned her. This cut off Rachel’s access to all the Sweet Peter Thiel money she was being handed as the short lived “media darling” of the Singularity Institute and its satellite bodies, via the Thiel paymasters More and Annasimov. Thiel is also anti-democratic in the extreme, a fascist but not a Nazi, more of an Objectivist Randroid. so… Rachel is sour graping the cash that has recently denied her to throw her little “parties.”

    • http://www.facebook.com/david.powell.54584 David Powell

      read Rachel’s twitter feed, and you will see clearly that ‘sour grapes’ is her…. Forte.

    • alizardx

      Do you know how an idea goes from an R&D or academic lab to mass production? (experience in VC-funded startups a plus here)

      Do you know the difference between making an iPhone available to the masses and making medical technology available to the masses?

      If you don’t, you won’t understand my flat statement that there is NO way the natural course of techno-capitalism will make radical new implantable biotech of any nature to enhance human capability to the masses, by far, the most probable outcome is enhancement for a wealthy few and those people in which the wealthy would find most use for enhanced capabilities in.

      Kurzweil’s Director of Engineering at Google. Do you see a future in which bioenhancement will be covered routinely under their medical plan, even for the janitors? Do you see Obamacare requiring private insurers to cover this?

      Unlike you, Rachel Haywire at least sees that making mass access truly possible is something worth trying to do something about.

  • Apathesis

    http://blogs.laweekly.com/arts/2011/12/extreme_futurist_festival.php

    David Powell is everywhere. Add DP2012 and Bogart Stuyvesant to his list of aliases.

    Honestly, you and Haywire both sound crazy now and I don’t trust either of you.

    • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

      I’ve gotta say, this thread has gone tragically and hilariously awry.

      • Apathesis

        Tell me about it. I can’t even be bothered to try and digest all the tripe pertaining to this woman that has littered this thread and dozens of others on the internet.

        • Matt Staggs

          This will not be a problem here….

          • Apathesis

            Thank you.

  • Matt Staggs

    I’ll just leave this right here.

    • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

      Gary Baddeley of disinfo.com needs to fire Matt Staggs, disinfo “Staff Stalker”

      Matt Staggs claims on the basis of _three_ tweets to his twitter account that I am “harassing” him. These tweets were harmless and not in any way menacing or demeaning. They constitute ALL the contact I have _ever_ had with Mr. Staggs. He claimed I was emailing him, but recanted that lie. Matt has threatened me with 1. anonymous hackers 2. a “deathsquad” 3. outing or “doxing” my IP # and personal information he gleaned from his access to the disinfo.com servers. He has made specific threats of violence and started a large campaign of libel and harassment against my person, with the help of documented stalkers Rachel “Haywire” Mendelson, David “Lefty Schlesinger” aka “stonemirror” and Vanessa Tanith Vanalstyne-Hawkins. It is beyond the pale for an employee of disinfo.com to be allowed to abuse his position in this manner, harvesting and using readers’ IP numbers to make threats of violence! Read the twitter below, mass bogus complaints engineered by Staggs got twitter to temporarily suspend the account. This is under appeal. Matt Staggs is an unstable, juvenile personality who should not be employed in any circumstance where he has access to customer data that he can abuse. Please, Gary Baddeley, do the right thing and remove Matt Staggs from his position as “editor” of disinfo.com based on his gross breach of business ethics, his stalking, and his frankly insane public behavior.

      more here:

      http://davidpo973528.tumblr.com/

    • Apathesis

      Dude, he’s back.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jasper.smith.3990 Jasper Smith

    Why on Earth is disinfo running a political ad for a fascist politician in a totally unimportant private board election? This has zero relevance to this site’s content and mission. Is this a paid political ad?

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