American Football As Ritual Homosexuality

Via Outsports, in honor of the Superbowl, enjoy some excerpts from Cal-Berkeley anthropologist Alan Dundes’s classic 1978 text Into the End Zone for a Touchdown: A Psychoanalytic Consideration of American Football, which breaks down the meaning of your red-blooded Midwestern relatives’ favorite sport:

The whole language of football is involved in sexual allusions. We were told to go out and “fuck those guys”; to take that ball and “stick it up their asses” or “down their throats.” Over the years I’ve seen many a coach get emotionally aroused while he was diagramming a particular play into an imaginary hole on the blackboard. His face red, his voice rising, he would show the ball carrier how he wanted him to “stick it in the hole.”

It is highly likely that the ritual aspect of football, providing as it does a socially sanctioned framework for male body contact…is a form of homosexual behavior. The unequivocal sexual symbolism of the game make it difficult to draw any other conclusion. Sexual acts carried out in thinly disguised symbolic form by, and directed towards, males only, would seem to constitute ritual homosexuality.

The object of the game, simply stated, is to get into the opponent’s end zone while preventing the opponent from getting into one’s own end zone. We can now better understand the appropriateness of the “bottom patting” so often observed among football players. A good offensive or defensive play deserves a pat on the rear end. The recipient has held up his end and has thereby helped protect the collective “end” of the entire team. One pats one’s teammates’ ends, but one seeks to violate the end zone of one’s opponents!

Certainly the terminology used in football is suggestive. One gains yardage,but it is not territory which is kept in the sense of being permanently acquired by the invading team. The territory invaded remains nominally under the proprietorship of the opponent. A sports announcer or fan might say, for example, “This is the deepest penetration into (opponent’s team name) territory so far.”

The trust one has for one’s own teammates is perhaps signaled by the common postural stance of football players. The so-called three-point stance involves bending over in a distinct stooped position with one’s rear end exposed. It is an unusual position and it does make one especially vulnerable to attack from behind, that is,vulnerable to a homosexual attack. Since one can trust one’s teammates, one knows that one will be patted, not raped.

Thus in the beginning of the football game, we have two sets or teams of males. By the end of the game, one of the teams is “on top,” namely the one which has “scored” most by getting into the other team’s “end zone.” The end zone is a kind of erogenous zone. The losing team, if the scoring differential is great, may be said to have been “creamed.”

 

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  • Hadrian999

    somebody got picked last at recess

    • mannyfurious

      I’m actually not a fan of football, and I actually despise most of the football players and coaches I’ve happened to meet, but, yeah, the connections here are mostly tenuous and based entirely on the fact that there’s a commonality of language, most of which is used non-euphemistically. What I mean is, it’s hardly anyone’s fault that the word “penetration” is grammatically and semantically appropriate in both sexual situations and situations that are to be found on the football field, or that “holes” are to be found both within human beings and on the football field. What are the coahces supposed to say, attack the “gap”? Because that would still be used against them. Maybe the commonality of language would be more suspect if in football they used terms like “oriface” instead of hole or something. Also, its nobody’s fault that the three point stance happens to be preferable for both balance and explosiveness. I don’t think that putting yourself in a position to better attack the opponent is akin to feeling safe from butt-sex.

      • Pass_the_Soap

        I like the way you think. We should talk about it in the shower.

      • Kevin Leonard

        I only played one year of football when I was in junior high. I will never forget the time that, in a pile-up, someone shoved their finger in my ass and started wiggling it around. I was helpless at the bottom of the pile. I find it funny, now, but at the time, I was humiliated and pissed off. I’ll never be sure, but I think it was one of my team members.

        This seems appropriate:
        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1u4CXlIYjyE

        • Rex Vestri

          What position did you play, Tight End?

        • Calypso_1

          Thank god you never tried Turkish wrestling.

          • Kevin Leonard

            That looks like a sport that manly jocks who are closeted homosexuals could get behind.

        • mannyfurious

          That’s an interesting story. I mean, don’t get me wrong, I do think that anytime there is an environment of hyper-masculinity, I think that environment attracts many who possess latent homosexual urges, after all, what is hyper-masculinity if not a celebration of all that is manly. But I also think that it’s a bit silly to automatically make connections between all-male rituals, such as athletics or certain clubs, and homosexuality.

          • Kevin Leonard

            I think it’s a bit silly to take anything in this thread seriously.

          • mannyfurious

            Good point.

          • Kevin Leonard

            ;)

          • Matt Staggs

            I agree. I train in Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. There’s a lot of wrestling. My personal opinion is that something like that or football (which for the record I have zero interest in) is homoerotic only if you find it so. I don’t find anything sexy about fighting, but I guess if that’s your thing then you might consider it highly homoerotic. I’m straight and have rolled with women in my class but find that there’s nothing sexual about that, either.

          • mannyfurious

            It’s funny you bring up the women thing. I had the opposite experience. I did BJJ for 6 years, and I always found grappling with a woman far more uncomfortable than with a man, precisely because I’m attracted to women. It’s probably because I’m still immature in a lot of ways, but when a woman gets me in her guard, there is something vaguely sexual to me about it, even as she’s kicking my ass.

            Growing up a wrestler, I always had to deal with the bullshit “gay” accusations from basketball players and the like, which never actually bothered me because I always felt that calling me secretly gay was like calling me secretly black. Neither one is true, but neither one is something to be ashamed of. Nevertheless, I think, contrary to popular belief, sports like wrestling and jiu-jitsu are the least “gay” sports, because I think it would be a closeted and/or latently gay individual who finds anything homoerotic in it. Men who are firmly attracted to women find no sexual or sensual pleasure from rolling around on a dirty mat, with other dirty, stinking men.

          • Jin The Ninja

            the idea of rolling around on a worn, sweat penetrated, dirty mat with a sweaty, dirty dude does nothing for me either. call me queer, but i actually find the idea rather distasteful ;P

          • mannyfurious

            Touche…..

          • mannyfurious

            Touche…..

          • Jin The Ninja

            don’t get me wrong i am not opposed to bjj or grappling/wrestling in any way. i just have never really been interested in it either. but any martial skills are ninja skills, and i’m all for that.

          • mannyfurious

            Ha! I got you. I just failed to realize that smelly, dirty men aren’t necessarily attractive to those who are attracted to men. Even still, I still stand by the part where I stated grappling with a woman is still vaguely sexual for me. Even if she is smelly and dirty herself….

          • InfvoCuernos

            and that’s without mentioning “mat herpies”.

        • bobby1269

          oh my god that sounds like a good time for me i would of loved having some boys sticking there fingers up my hot butthole. them boys can tackle me and top me as they are taking turns putting fingers up my sissy butthole anytime they want!

        • bobby1269

          did you like it? tell me the truth did you? i sure would have!

    • bobby1269

      hahaha really huh thats what i was thinking

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

    I like this interpretation of sports better than the other anthropological accounts of sports as ritualized male violence. When it’s Ero versus Thanatos, and psychoanalysis becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy, tis always better to err on the side of Eros.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Erica-Moret/796149478 Erica Moret

      You’d rather believe sports are a ritualistic homosexual experience rather than an outlet of a man’s nature to be aggressive towards other men? Wow.. just.. wow..

      Have you ever observed male animals in the wild? They are usually violent with each other, fighting over territory and females, not storming each other’s ‘end zones’ and engaging in ‘ritualized homosexuality’.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

        Homosexuality is rampant in nature. So is violence. Male chimps do war on each other–ripping each other’s genitals off in some cases. Male bonobos do penis jousting–ejaculating all over themselves. So which is it? They’re both male animals, but they act diferently. What should concern us is not trying to justify all of the human aggression we see around us by just writing it off as ‘animalistic’, but in finding out what conditions give forth to violence as opposed to fucking, no? So, like…wow…just….wow…you’re a serious animal illiterate

  • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

    The Mega Super Bowl Illuminati Nuclear Conspiracy
    http://dont-tread-on.me/?p=27471

  • “Big” Richard Johnson

    Ritual? Theres nothing ritually homosexual about what goes on in those showers.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

      I’m surprised that no one has directly referenced Jerry Sandusky and what went on in Penn State for years. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penn_State_child_sex_abuse_scandal

      • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

        The Penn State scandal? Thankfully we had Louis Freeh to investigate that.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Louis_Freeh
        http://progress.psu.edu/the-freeh-report

        He has had a long, prominent, luminous career, of hopping around from the U.S. Attorney’s office for the Southern District of New York (“Wall Street”), to being appointed by George H.W. Bush as a Federal Judge, to being Clinton’s Director of the FBI 1993-2001 (lots of important things happened during those years), to General Counsel for MBNA and the Board of Directors of Bristol-Myers-Squibb and a hole host of other influential deeds and jobs in the private sector to this very day.

        But he does get to return serve the people by serving the government from time to time, with the Sandusky Scandal being a case in point.

        Why, he even served as the trustee of the Corzine investigation report. He always makes sure the public gets the truth when it really matters.
        http://topics.nytimes.com/top/reference/timestopics/people/c/jon_s_corzine/index.html

        * * *

        And thankfully we have a movie coming out to tell us all about the scandal, without eliding over any important details or changing them either. So we don’t have to even read the Freeh report!

        Washington Post: “Al Pacino as Joe Paterno? Who would play Jerry Sandusky?”
        http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/early-lead/post/al-pacino-as-joe-paterno-who-would-play-jerry-sandusky/2012/09/11/45a15e22-fc09-11e1-8adc-499661afe377_blog.html

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

          OK, I get the sarcasm, but what are you actually saying? That Jerry Sandusky didn’t molest boys? Or that you’re upset with who has been tasked with investigating it?

          • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

            The second one. I hate Louis Freeh.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

            OK, I see. It’s interesting that Freeh was director of the FBI during the X-Files. (My fav show after ST:TNG btw). Does your hatred have any congruence with your avatar?? ;)

          • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

            No… I would say no… certainly not intentionally or that I was aware of.

            (I could write more here about me and The X-Files, but… nah… this isn’t an X-Files forum nor is it my personal psychoanalysis forum.)

            Good to see another fan.

            * * *

            I’m considering starting to study the current state of Peak Oil rhetoric and newsfeeds. I have gathered that you are a person who cares about that, Mister Goodwin. Any tips for me in this regard?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

            Tips on studying peak oil? I guess, yeah…I’ve discovered that most people who say the word peak oil now (whereas 5-6 years ago no one had heard of it) think it refers to oil running out or declining reserves etc. That’s an issue that needs to get nipped in the bud. Peak oil is about energy, and not reserves per se. That shouldn’t be forgotten…ever. If you examine peak oil from the perspective of energy you discover just how deep the rabbit hole goes. Taking energy seriously implies paying close attention to the laws of thermodynamics; then you start to frame everything you see around you in energy terms. It can get a bit obsessive as you start to apply thermodynamics to understand every facet of human life. It also gets frustrating as hell, because you begin to realize how small and insignificant you are. But, at the same time, it can also help you understand your own consciousness and place in the world. I wrote a paper on thermodynamics and social theory (http://www.academia.edu/1478745/Thermodynamics_and_Human_Activity). There’s lots of sources in there to check out to lead you to more peak oil literature. The latest source I’ve discovered is this one (http://www.tullettprebon.com/Documents/strategyinsights/TPSI_009_Perfect_Storm_009.pdf). I found that one in the comments section of Zero Hedge (great Web site, btw).

            Long story short…try to keep your wits about you when you delve into the topic of peak oil. And for chrissake don’t let it depress you. Just remember as long as there is green on earth, there is hope.

  • lazy_friend

    Well if that’s true, the UFC is def gay.

    • Michael Gaughan

      football is more like a muscular orgy with facedown pileups, everyone wearing anonymous masks and you don’t know who’s hand is where.
      ufc on the other hand you wear a steel cup no helmet and punch eachother in the mouth and organs, you are more concerned with the sustained squeezing pressure of somebody’s hamstring and quadriceps in a triangle choking you unconsious than homo-engjoying getting beaten.
      fighting/martial arts non-competitively is more about self preservation, saving your life or the lives of others because you train extensively and create the skillset that allows you to do so. football players get big, powerful, muscular, and explosively move for 10 second bursts whereas fighting you must be prepared to fight for your life as long as it takes, and live your life improving yourself on a daily basis.

      • lazy_friend

        Thanks for rationalizing. I’ve been around martial arts all my life. You are not going to save anyone with your round house kick, it a hobby and much like dancing. The guard is pretty gay, and ground and pound? The triangle choke is also kinda gay, you are shoving some dood face into you genitals. I am not saying, that I am against it, or that I hate gay people, which I don’t. I am not gay, not I am all about freedom. Do whatever the fuck, you want to do. Gay people seem to think being gay enriches their lives as much as you think martial arts do. Football is pretty intense and the micro bursts ensure they can actually have a “game”. I mainly like football because I can’t play it at a high level, I would get my head taken off, its entertaining to me. People die playing football. A ref can stop a fight, a football game does not stop because of one injury, even if its life threatening to the player, its next man up. Sometimes fighting takes 5 seconds, when someone gets hit on the button. Don’t take this seriously and don’t be homophobic. If its “gay” and you still like it ? so what? Nothing wrong with it, we are free. Being romantic is kinda gay and feminine in my opinion, but heck, I am as romantic as they come.

        • mannyfurious

          The insecurity on this thread continues to grow….

          • lazy_friend

            At the end of the day it’s all speculative. It’s fun and challenging to ponder what lies behind the motivation that drives certain people to do the things they do. Lately i’ve been so busy with mental pursuits, that the last thing I worry about is my sexuality. Right now, I feel A-sexual. If I meet a woman and things click, cool, “fun time”, if not it’s business as usual; I am not chasing. Freud would be proud of our speculations about football and other hyper masculine sports and activities. In the same note, females that are too feminine are somewhat gay, the barbie types. These days in my opinion, male/female separation only serves for our current reproductive process. I’ve read in books about our lost antiquity, that the highest form of the human is the hermaphrodite. Depicted in the last card in the Tarot deck (The world). A feminine figure, breast exposed with it’s loins cloaked.

  • InfvoCuernos

    I don’t think that football is homosexual, so much as the language of violent domination is homosexual. Pretty much any time that there is a male vs. male type interaction there will be allusions of homosexuality. There is a part of male human psyche that is both sexual and violent and that part always gets the Beavis and Butthead crowd excited when it shows its head(hehe “head”). Its sort of like the face on Mars, but with cocks and assholes.

    • rtb61

      Not only homosexual but blatantly homophobic about it, desperately trying to hide that homosexuality by getting girls from early teen to late to to publicly sexually offer themselves during half time to pretend to motivate that male players all so desperately focused upon each other.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

        Nice! I was wondering if someone would bring up cheerleaders! They’re obviously there to make all the players sexually secure. LOL!

  • Chaos_Dynamics

    Bread and Circuses.

    • Kevin Leonard

      “…football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.”
      – Orwell, 1984

  • lifobryan

    Well, I gotta say, psychology & anthropology aside, I find this amusing.

    Growing up in rural Pennsylvania, as a gay art kid in a Christian school chock full o’ football jocks, …. terms like ‘tight end,’ ‘wide receiver,’ ‘penetrating the end zone,’ etc, were certainly not lost on me.

    And in fact, they provided at least some small sarcastic comfort when when being pummeled by afore-mentioned Jesus-jocks.

    As well as, of course, LOTS of secret sketchbook material ……

    • mannyfurious

      Seriously? The names come from the evolution of formations. The offensive linemen lined up at the ends of the line were called, guess…”ends.” When someone decided that the ends might be a good option to pass to, the original variation had the “receiving ends” (which, let’s face it, is a term you’d also make fun of for being “gay) were originally lined up behind the other offensive linemen, in a “tight” formation. Hence, “tight end.”

      “Wide receivers” is obvious. The original “receivers”–called such because they “received” the ball– were running backs. But, again, due to an evolution in tactics, a coach decided to line the “receivers” out “wide,” far away from the rest of the offense. Hence, “Wide receiver”.

      Seriously. I don’t know how this stuff is automatically indicative of latent homosexuality–although, terms like “shove it up their ass” certainly is.

      • lifobryan

        Thanks for the etymologies. The semantic derivations make sense, but the terms still sound gay to me. The same can be said for a “back court violation” in basketball, and a “thigh trap” in soccer.

        I find those terms funny for similar reasons …. the irony of mucho-macho (and sometimes homophobic) athletes using terms that can just as easily refer to rumpy pumpy.

        Ok, pardon me while I daydream long & hard about “thigh trap” ……

  • BuzzCoastin

    the only thing more gay than amerikan football
    is professional wrestling

    • Rickenbacker4001

      Why is it called pro wrestling (WWE) and the Olympic wrestling called amateur ? Who allowed this?!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Erica-Moret/796149478 Erica Moret

    This is way, waaaaay out in left field. I’m pretty sure you’re over analyzing this a bit much. Disinfo has been sucking more and more lately.

    • Andrew

      Submit better articles.

      Because I intend to submit worse ones!

    • $23802000

      It is over-analyzing but theres a kernel of truth. Sports teams (particularly contact sports) attract a LOT of closeted gays. Most guys who’ve played these sports have had personal experience with it or at least have observed it at some point, that includes yours truly. There’s always the guy who’s a little too physical, the grab-ass who goes way out of his way to slap other dudes’ butts beyond the bounds of playful boisterousness.

    • Matt Staggs

      Actually, numbers are better than ever, and if the kind of email that I’ve been getting lately is any indication, our readers are happier than ever. One of the things that I’ve learned here is that I need to preserve a friendly and positive space for spirited conversation, and that people like you who basically come here to piss on the wall and leave aren’t worth the trouble you cause. You’re banished to the Land of Wind and Ghosts.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

        body slammed!

  • zombieslapper

    I dunno… But I was dragged to a couple wrestling matches in high school and that is gayer than anything evar. Except for maybe MMA.

    • mannyfurious

      Did you feel some kind of sexual arousal while “wrestling” with the other boys? Because if you did, it was probably only “gay” for you.

      • zombieslapper

        Reading comprehension isn’t your strong point, I see. No, little guy, I was dragged to a couple wrestling matches, as in I was in the stands watching a wrestling match. Yes, you boys in unitards rolling around on the ground looked pretty “gay” to me.

        • mannyfurious

          Insecure much? I can roll around on a mat with another man dressed in a “unitard” and not be sexually aroused in the least. You on the other hand, you must get that warm, fuzzy feeling in your special area that makes you feel confused.

          You shouldn’t, though. There’s nothing wrong with being gay. I’d cop to it if I were.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

            Gay=happy in this case, right, Zombie?

        • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

          I have to agree with Manny on this.If you think it looks gay it could be projection on your part. Because competing in it is more like getting in a fight.

  • mannyfurious

    So what’s worse, the potential latent homosexuality in some sports, such as football, or the latent homophobia in these kinds of “observations”?

  • WTFMFWOMG

    http://www.cnn.com/2012/09/25/us/california-student-hazing/index.html
    http://www.deseretnews.com/article/695213585/3-East-High-football-players-arrested-kicked-off-team.html?pg=all
    http://hazing.hanknuwer.com/hs2.html

    …and the list goes on and on. I remember high school in the boy’s locker room, taking showers, being leered at by a creepy janitor once. The main thing I noticed was the horrible smell of the place. The sight and odor of a naked man is a real turn-off. I can only speculate that those who would willingly endure that odor and choose to hang out in a big bathroom with a bunch of naked men might be homosexual to some degree. I am pretty sure that sexual orientation has an olfactory component. When my wife has gone for a workout, for example, I have the opposite reaction. She thinks she is really stinky in that state, but I like it, a “turn-on” to some degree. It is not objectionable. What is interesting is that she hates the musky smell of other men, but my smell doesn’t bother her for the most part.

  • Ittabena

    The only sport I have ever been able to generate any interest in at all is drag racing, and that is only if I am driving, and baseball, but only if I am in the stands for a pro game. Other than that I have never understood how the side of the field that the ball rests on impacts my life in any way. Would rather watch mud dry during a rain storm.

    If there is a hell – which I do not believe there is – it will be watching sports all day and the film Groundhog Day all night for the rest of eternity. The horror, the catastrophic boredom.

    • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

      “Groundhog Day”! That movie goes over the heads of most people, I dare say.

      Sure, it can be seen just as a delightful Bill Murray comedy, with no greater metaphysical lesson to it than the one Bill Murray learns

      Actually, the lesson Bill Murray learns is pretty deep. But the thing that goes over the heads of most people is that the movie can be seen as a metaphor for one of the deepest tests of life itself, with a cosmologic multi-versial test and-or Biblical test having been thrust upon Bill Murray.

      The use of The Day and the groundhog and the Pennsylvania town is all just chicanery and mundane stage dressing, even though they occupy our attention and give us something to describe what the movie is “about” when others ask us “What’s Groundhog Day about?”: but what it’s really about, and what’s really going on in the movie is the same test that perhaps “the gods” give to each and every one of us while we live on Earth — to learn to refine our souls and our ethics and become wiser and warmer people — and we’ll have to keep going through it (by reincarnation or karma or a resetting of the “dream” that is life) until we get it right.

      • Ittabena

        Nice catch! All true but what I was actually referring to is that at one point that film was way overplayed. Combine that with the lines which by necessity repeat themselves and I don’t feel I will ever be able to sit through that film again.

        Loved the movie when it came out, but the “hot rotation” it was put on ruined the film for me. I can still recite Ned Ryerson’s lines from memory. Scarred for life!

        On to old business. It seems we are on the same page after all, though the other day you seemed to take a more clinical empirical evidence stance. I am a firm believer in reincarnation and karma, and had intended to suggest you read the Upanishads. Now I am curious, have you read it?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

          I hate to ruin the moment between you two, but it sure is nice to see connections like this.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

          I hate to ruin the moment between you two, but it sure is nice to see connections like this.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

          I hate to ruin the moment between you two, but it sure is nice to see connections like this.

          • Ittabena

            lol

        • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

          No. Will add it to my list of things to read.

          You know I’m by habit and by scientific convention a nihilist and materialist — but the truth is also that I’m finding more and more and more evidence to truly believe in the soul and God or Gods and all sorts of non-material things.

          When you see me quote from the Upanishads, then you will know I have read them (thanks to your suggestion, as a matter of fact).

          • Ittabena

            I stumbled on them through watching another Bill Murray movie. The Razor’s Edge.

        • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

          I haven’t talked to you in a while, and The Universe and my choices within it have kept me from coming back to this site.

          I know you are still active on this, as a Disinfonaut, thanks to The Disqus network’s open data availability. I have given Disqus my data very freely and am satisfied with it.

          * * *

          I have always remembered when you asked me this question… (for a whopping five months now!)

          …and today I am losing internet, indefinitely! (without a definite or known limit, but there is a high probability I’ll be back soon enough, and regularly!)

          * * *

          I listened to this today, as a random-but-not-random choice:
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6U-p7x7RvA

          (it’s over two hours of Alan Watts doing his thing — and it’s the most study of the Upanishads I’ve done since you asked me — if I said I would study them five months ago, I can only say that I didn’t promise it hard enough, and that this Alan Watts Tape / lecture is the most I have studied of them)

          ….even if I would split hairs or flat-out define truth differently from Mr. Watts at a few places: damn it’s a potent lecture!

          I take it to heart, even if I can’t believe it all (as a nihilist-by-default), and I’m sharing it with you now as a gratuitous act of spirit — by rights I should be “worrying” a lot more about “money” and “rent” and paying bills and all the rest — but I can’t bring myself to do it…

          ….And that’s why I’m losing internet indefinitely.

          • Ittabena

            Thanks man, nice to here from you again. I didn’t recall exactly who you were until I read the word nihilist. : )

            Try this… I just posted about this on another thread. Disbelieve it as you try it, dare it to work, it will still work. I did both and it still worked just as Catherine Ponder said it would.

            Begin a list each morning with;

            The absolute power of the One is in complete control of this day, producing perfect results here and now;

            Eliminate; (List what you wish to eliminate from your life.)

            Desire; (List what you desire in your life.)

            Thanks for; (List what you are thankful for in your life.)

            (Then end the list with this, or something close to it)

            This or something better Grandfather, let your unlimited goodwill be done.

            That’s it. A little research will show you that I have changed the words Jesus Christ to the One (Taoist/Buddhist) in the opening and changed it to Grandfather in honor of the American Indians for the closing. I did this for me, but figured you would appreciate this version more.

            I did this every day for years. Do not be afraid to ask for money, or even sex, I have had the list work for me on both.

            I believe that this is a “trick” of sorts to help you with focus. After a few years of doing this I no longer needed it and would just focus on what was needed or desired. And I believe that focus is much more important than almost everyone thinks, useful too. Two years ago I focused and visualized firewood to drop out of the sky and land in my back yard. Silly huh? A few days later the landlord showed up and told me that he was hiring a tree cutting service, there would be chainsaw noise in the morning. The guys ended up dropping it over my fence into my backyard.

            “A quick and substantial increase in my financial income today” is an entry for the list right out of Catherine’s book, and I have used it many times.

            The only downside of this is that as you go along, you seem to desire less, or maybe it would be more accurate to say that you desire physical things to a lesser degree. Having lots of money brings it’s own problems that steal and demand our attention more with each day, being comfortable and not worried is good enough for me now.

            I hope you have the internet up long enough to see this. If you try it, I’ll bet you will be back on the web quicker than you think.

            Go ahead, dare it to work, defy it to work. I did. It still worked.

            By the way, if you google “the upanishads pdf” you can download it and read it off the web with adobe acrobat.

            Talk to you soon.
            Itta

            (P.S. Posting on this subject yesterday gave me to urge to rewatch the 1963 film Lilies Of The Field with Sydney Portier. This morning I finally put it on and you send me this. This is what they call synchronicity – the song by the Police as well – and once it begins, I think nihilism might become a bit harder to be loyal to. At least, it would seem so from my experience.)

      • Ittabena

        Nice catch! All true but what I was actually referring to is that at one point that film was way overplayed. Combine that with the lines which by necessity repeat themselves and I don’t feel I will ever be able to sit through that film again.

        Loved the movie when it came out, but the “hot rotation” it was put on ruined the film for me. I can still recite Ned Ryerson’s lines from memory. Scarred for life!

        On to old business. It seems we are on the same page after all, though the other day you seemed to take a more clinical empirical evidence stance. I am a firm believer in reincarnation and karma, and had intended to suggest you read the Upanishads. Now I am curious, have you read it?

  • Brad Jackson

    LOL. I wrestled when younger and the word that was most shouted by the coach the most was crotch. Let’s not forget the uniforms. But the anthropologists analogies go much further than football and wrestling. How about leather clad bikers in droves? International soccer players practically stripping in front of everyone. How about in 7th grade, when I still hadn’t developed, we were required to wear jock straps. LOL. There was nothing to protect!!

    There is definitely a quality of latent homosexuality built into our society. I don’t get it, but I do agree with the observations.

    There really should be a 50/50 mix of lesbians vs. gays. Why are there more gays? Boys are told to idolize other men. There’s something amiss here. All humans are sexual beings. I have no problems with anyone for the record.

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  • Observer

    I think this says far more about the psychology of the author.

    • Guest

      He was big on Freudian interpretations of people, so the explanation for pretty much everything revolved around dicks and sex to him.

    • Guest

      He was big on Freudian interpretations of people, so the explanation for pretty much everything revolved around dicks and sex to him.

  • bobby1269

    mmm i love playing football just for that reason i especially like when all those guys tackle me or pile on top of me and being a bottom cocksucker i love being at the bottom of the pile oh my god the story mentioned getting creamed mmm i just love getting creamed on by horny men ill take a good creaming anytime yummy!

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