Pope Seeks Immunity From Child Molestation Crimes

Well we all knew there was a secret scandal behind the resignation of Pope Benedict, right? From Reuters:

Pope Benedict’s decision to live in the Vatican after he resigns will provide him with security and privacy. It will also offer legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources and legal experts say.

“His continued presence in the Vatican is necessary, otherwise he might be defenseless. He wouldn’t have his immunity, his prerogatives, his security, if he is anywhere else,” said one Vatican official, speaking on condition of anonymity.

“It is absolutely necessary” that he stays in the Vatican, said the source, adding that Benedict should have a “dignified existence” in his remaining years…

[continues at Reuters]

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  • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

    So why is he immune of crimes in the Vatican? Even if he murdered some body he would be completely immune from prosecution?

    • Matt Staggs

      Not sure, but I think “Clue!: Vatican Edition” would be a pretty fun board game.

      • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

        Yeah, that would be pretty bad ass!

        • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

          wait a minute…I was thinking “Risk: Vatican edition” Clue would be creepy.

          • WoodGas1

            Duke Nukem ?

          • lifobryan

            “Rock ‘em Sock ‘em Cardinals” would be super-fun ….

      • lifobryan

        Vatican “Twister” would be a fun game too.
        Oh wait …oops …

      • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

        I already know the ending…they all did it, in all the rooms, with the altar boy. (insert: Rim shot)

        • Calypso_1

          & the candle stick

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            Nooo!

          • Calypso_1

            holy oil was available in abundance

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            You are just making it worse!

          • Calypso_1

            Oh dear….
            You must not be familiar with the Judas Chair

          • howiebledsoe

            Oh, god!!!!

        • Shekey Greenberg

          ‘Rim’ WHAT?

    • InfvoCuernos

      I think its because the Vatican is considered a sovereign state so there would have to be an extradition, which I would assume the Vatican would not allow.

    • http://www.facebook.com/billy.pilgrim.7169 Billy Pilgrim

      There’s no law forbidding pederasty in the Vatican. And it’s a Sovereign Principality, recognised as such by the UN, with it’s own Embassies and Diplomatic Staff. So he could have been buggering his Angelic Altarboys with impunity for, like, evar.

    • Calypso_1

      yessir

      as pope he is also head of state of a sovereign nation & thus granted all the rights & traditions of functional immunity. As long as Vatican City exists as a sovereign city-state this can continue.

      We should consider that Vatican City has held this status for less than a hundred years & was brought into existence by a fascist government.

      Perhaps sanctions/reparations are in order.

    • Hadrian999

      the Vatican is a sovereign city-state

  • http://www.jv21.com/ John V. Keogh

    I suppose the people in the Vatican believe he will suffer in hell for his crimes. I’d prefer to see him up before a real trial.

  • Gabriel D. Roberts

    I certainly hope that he will be called to account if these things end up being true.

  • BuzzCoastin

    maybe he should buy an indulgence
    or receive absolution
    but I can assure you of this
    they ain’t gonna arrest Ratz & he will do no time

    if you didn’t consider him being a prisoner of his infamy punishment enough
    you’re cold hearted

    • echar

      A sense of romantic justice calls for something awful to weigh against his opulent existence.

      Life for them is an agony, and death a relief. Under these constraints they affirm as true what is false, preferring to die once than to be thus tortured multiple times … they accuse not only themselves but also others who are innocent, in order to escape their suffering in any way … those who so confess reveal afterwards that what they have said to the Brother Inquisitors [Dominicans] is not true, but false, and that they have confessed out of fear of the peril of the moment. To some of those [witnesses] that you cite you promise immunity so that they will more freely denounce others without fear.

      However, my heart tells me he’s just a human like the rest of us. Prone to deception, and abuse of power. It rankles me some to know this man will have all the best of all of the inalienable rights while marked with this infamy. Even though while he was in power, he could have used a pittance of the fortune his organisation took with force to support feeding, clothing, housing, and nurturing the world.

      Instead he chose to make life that much more difficult for the new heretics, by using his power,influence, and resources for politics.The allegorical Jesus would throw the coins from the table of his modern temples court yard, and remind him of the lepers, whores, and downtrodden he called friends.

    • kowalityjesus

      I think the average person hasn’t an inkling of what it is like to live a public life and be subject to public scrutiny. For example, Bill Clinton should win a Nobel prize for not going postal-ape-shit on the media and Republicans in light of the witch-trial he was subjected to for upholding a traditional tenant of the presidency.

      • USKensington

        You know they called them “witch trials” because there weren’t any witches, right? On the other hand, Bill Clinton actually was a “witch.” But, yeah! Let’s give him a nobel prize for perjury, pressuring other people to commit perjury and obstruction of justice. What a hero!

        • kowalityjesus

          Who is to say that people that meet in the forest at night to fornicate with Demons aren’t deserving to be put on trial?

          I know Clinton had a lot of dead bodies in his past, but that whole media circus was inhumane, iconoclastic, and STUPID. It was conducted for and by people who have no other substance in their existence than to concentrate on the sexual habits of other people, as well as those who are interested in creating a power vacuum for themselves to fill. I think that just about sums up the banal infatuation with this news story, even as though Priests had a monopoly on sex acts with children today and in all of history.

          • Calypso_1

            Demon sex….

            really?

            that is your counter to Papal protection of pederasts?

            …see now you are straying into territory that you mistakenly thought yourself to be in when this started. It was all about a corrupt power system but now your internalizing of the insult is starting to make your statements from a xtian stance become less relevant.

            Never before have I been as tolerant of an overt xtian on this site as with you because of your obvious intelligence and ability to add dimension and humor to a conversation. I would admire you if your sufferings were truly & solely for Christ. Butthurt for the Pope is a poor substitute.

          • Andrew

            AMEN!

          • kowalityjesus

            MEH. I see your point :( I still wish people would listen to the things he says instead of assuming he’s a murderer and a motherfucker without hearing him out.
            Also, that people would see that there are plenty of coverups involving institutional pederasty in the world today.

          • Calypso_1

            Indeed there are such coverups & many have been covered on this site.

            I for one spared no disdain in the Penn State/Sandusky scandal & as far as I am aware that involved nothing in particular about Christians. So please take the knocks for what they are…loathing of child abuse in general and within the confines of authority structures in particular. That in this case they fall within a religious institution, I find particularly tragic & loathsome. Predators know where to hide. It is a shame (and crime) in mine & a great many others opinion that the lofty intentions and what ever degree of noble works exist within a religious body be soiled by such lack of resolve in rooting out the worst of its body.

  • kowalityjesus

    Look at you. Look at yourselves. You pretend like you’re open-mnded
    people, but as long as the opponent is Christian they deserve the most
    severe punishment. Doesn’t the Bible tell us that we should NOT rejoice
    at the stumbling of our enemies? Fucking iconoclasts, you are a bunch
    of apes and heathen and you deserve an anarchical society where galoots
    are your overlords, or maybe godless Communism where people as smart as you are considered a liability and killed.

    • Calypso_1

      You are way off base. This has nothing to do with Christians. It has to do with a religious power structure protecting those that have harmed those they claimed to serve & protect.

      If your interpretation of Christianity requires you to participate in and acknowledge a temporal & earthly power structure that claims to have their authority derived from and be a direct representation of Christ, than appeals for respect of the leadership of that organization when it systematically harbors a degree of vileness that the majority of humanity is seeking to purge is requesting complicity in those acts.

      If you as participant in that structure wish to treat its hierarchy in a fashion in accordance with internal church law by all means it is your right. But make no request of others outside of its ‘authority’ to look at it with anything other than the disdain it deserves.

      You will find that the vast majority of participants in this forum, though particularly harsh in regards to religion in general, do not reserve such criticism for xtians. Power structures of all orders are well represented by overt expression of disdain for their wrongs.

      Ape, Heathen, Liability – I’d wave that flag any day.

      • kowalityjesus

        My point is that you have no respect for the disdain that the Vatican DOESN’T deserve, and pile all of the acid you can muster onto the speck in their eye while the beam in your own eye goes unobserved and undenounced. Who are you to cast stones?

        • Calypso_1

          Who am I to cast stones?

          A pretty good aim, that’s who.

          The beam in my eye is naught but mid-band THz EM spectrum engaging in phototransduction.

          Let the Vatican melt their gold & pour it down their throats.

          • kowalityjesus

            did I ever tell you that you remind me of this guy?

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVJcO67nDss&list=FL3IL7vbbkEypuiahgZcyoVg

          • Calypso_1

            The comedian, Manson, or an imitator of Manson?

            I found the painting morph montage rather erotic.

          • kowalityjesus

            the only guy in the video, he goes by a few aliases one of which is “procommenter.” this was really meant to be a compliment. He has some brilliant non-sequitur comments, something in which the sentiment of somehow reminds me of you, sir. For example:

            “The tattoos on my legs are my aborted children. Those on my chest? celebrate my sexy years as a pre-transsexual Bolivian street whore.” — From page 43 of:
            “My Seventeen Years as a Pre-Transsexual Bolivian Street Whore,” by Hillary F. Clinton

            holy shit that cracks me up.

        • howiebledsoe

          Yes, who are we to cast stones at a child rapist. Nasty, ain’t it?

          • kowalityjesus

            you have no respect for the disdain that the vatican doesn’t deserve. You’re like Newsweek running nonstop stories on Monica Lewinsky while Clinton is presiding over the first budget surplus in decades. It is easy to point fingers, it is much harder to have compassion.

          • howiebledsoe

            I have much compassion for all of the victims of this terrible abuse. As for a very powerful millionaire who can abuse his power by protecting serial child sex predators, no, not in the least.

          • kowalityjesus

            blah blah blah

          • Calypso_1

            That’s from Leviticus, right?

          • kowalityjesus

            its obvious that rhetorically I am wanting, and child sex is the most irritating trump card, but ‘faith’ is not really a matter of rhetoric and it really grinds my bones to hear so much disrespect for Catholicism, thus “blah blah blah.” I suppose this type of feeling is as old as religion itself.

            I tire of arguing about this, especially since I have given up copious frivolous internet activity for lent, in favor of primarily books, practicing, and prayer. I don’t consider this particularly frivolous, though. I appreciate the change of tone, and, I suppose, thank you for your clement behavior toward me. May Christ have mercy on us all, including me especially.

          • Calypso_1

            two things: treading into leviticus was induced by blah, blah… blasphemy (of which I obviously find release in)

          • kowalityjesus

            viola and piano, though only currently paid to play one of them, the former. (currently as in temporarily). I got caught looking at that website for 10 minutes not just a few of which glorify ‘being stoned’, and whose viewing caused me to go against my perfonal commitment to God during these 40 days. Is that another ironic layer in the thematic material pervading our exchange?

          • Calypso_1

            What happened to the viola?

          • Andrew

            Waahh waahh waahh.

        • Andrew

          I’m someone who hasn’t raped a child nor helped someone cover up such a crime.

          Also a recovering Catholic.

    • Andrew

      Your overwrought reaction to the idea that Catholic pedophiles and those who enabled them should be tried and punished for their crimes is starting to make me wonder what speck you have in your eye.

      • kowalityjesus

        It is the most irritating thing that I can only speak with your likes on the internet. Visit my Youtube channel if you want a better idea of who I am. same name

        • Calypso_1

          Our likes?!

          Preposterous!

          Perhaps you will find some greater comfort & amity here:

          http://www.ecatholic2000.com/chat/chat.shtml

        • lazy_friend

          You are obviously severely brainwashed. I assumed the process has taken many years. This is what happens when they break in and corrupt an intellectual. A church geek trying to rationalize everything but then hits us with “Faith” one of the most irrational/abstract of concepts. I know a famous Brazilian singing priest who is a family friend, making millions, and not even he is this defensive. On his sermons he speaks of family values and of love but has never said the church is without reappraisal or reprisal. Even his prestigious status in the most catholic country in world is not enough to blind him to the fact that an earthy institution could never be as holy as the divine, but can only merely try, and when you try to do something failure is always an option.

          • kowalityjesus

            I think there is a severe fallacy with your line of thought.

            If one perceives the reception of the grace of God through the Catholic Church, or what institution have you, they are apt to defend that without rationale. There is nothing particularly rhetorically quantifiable about the grace of God. It is subtle and perceptible mainly by only the receiver.

            I admit that before I became a Catholic, I had concrete episodes of communication with God and perception of the supernatural. I came to Christianity and eventually Catholicism originally to understand these events, and I have benefited from the understanding it has given me, and can now see myself as a bearer of the faith and receiver of the grace of Jesus Christ. It has brightened my life. The earthly spiritual leader and vicar of Christ deserves better treatment in my eyes than to be subjected to tasteless sodomy jokes, even if he is smeared by the brush of pederasty in his juggle between his hierarchy and the world at large. So many people have NO respect for the unifying bond Catholicism is all across the world; even if there have been episodes of inhumanity by elements of the Church, it is asinine to pretend like it is a force for evil bent on world domination. It is a mysterious body, and in the anti-sacred TABLOID ERA, it is subject to the most unholy of scrutinies (yes I know it is for a good reason to stop rampant pederasty stfu i know). Thus my anger, and by some accounts righteously so.

    • lazy_friend

      Wow. You are in the wrong site dude. First of all, Jesus would not be so aggressive according to the bible. Second, its not just Jesus nuts that get the hose and you know that, but with the pope calling it quits, it’s on the forefront.

      • kowalityjesus

        You are correct, thank you for the cuff. But it doth try my patience so smartly so see a gathering constantly verbally sticking the pope’s face in their buttocks. I suppose if I didn’t want to see that thing I should not come here, but I would prefer to be ‘a light in a dark place’ than a ‘light in a light place.’

  • USKensington

    The Reuters story doesn’t say he’s “seeking” immunity. That’s completely misleading.

    • Calypso_1

      Yeah……their headline said he will have immunity.

      Then the article goes on to make statements like:

      “It will also offer legal protection from any attempt to prosecute him in connection with sexual abuse cases around the world, Church sources and legal experts say.”

      “pope’s potential exposure to legal claims over the Catholic Church’s sexual abuse scandals.”

      “the Vatican said it was a major victory that proved the pope could not be held liable for the actions of abusive priests.”

      “There have been repeated calls for Benedict’s arrest over sexual abuse in the Catholic Church.”

      ……sooo horribly misleading.

  • Calypso_1

    That’s the part that involves the Chrism.

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  • Just_R

    *Benedict should have a “dignified existence”
    “Dignified existence” my ass…
    He is worthy of nothing resembling “dignity”