Survivalist Commune Run By Gun Company Planned In Idaho Forest

A rival to Glenn Beck’s planned community? Yahoo! News reports on the Citadel, which sounds like living inside a Medieval Times theme park but with machine guns:

A group of survivalists wants to build a giant walled fortress in the woods of the Idaho Panhandle, where residents would be required to own weapons and stand ready to defend the compound if society collapses. The proposal is called the Citadel and has created a buzz in this remote logging town 70 miles southeast of Spokane, Wash.

“There is no leader,” [explains] Christian Kerodin, a convicted felon who is a promoter of the project. “There is a significant group of equals involved … each bringing their own professional skills and life experiences to the group.” Applicants for the community must pay a $208 fee, and the official website claims several hundred people already have applied.

The compound would include houses, schools, a hotel and a firearms factory and museum. The gun factory, the website said, would manufacture semi-automatic pistols and AR-15 rifles.

The site also warns that not all would be comfortable at the development: “Marxists, Socialists, Liberals and Establishment Republicans will likely find that life in our community is incompatible with their existing ideology and preferred lifestyles.”

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  • http://www.facebook.com/matthewpizana Matthew Pizana

    i just can’t take them seriously until they start talking printing weapons rather than manufacturing them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

    Hell, I’d pay 208 bucks to stay safe from the zombies too!

    • Anarchy Pony

      But here zombies = urban minorities.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

        When SHTF, I think the people with the most guns are gonna be in the most danger….namely police, army and Ted Nugent.

        • http://www.facebook.com/eric.fischer.73 Eric Fischer

          Wolves will never be in danger from a group of lambs. It just doesn’t work that way.

          • Calypso_1

            unless guarded by well armed shepherds

          • http://www.facebook.com/eric.fischer.73 Eric Fischer

            Then they would be in danger from the shepherds, not the sheep.

          • Calypso_1

            I have a more expansive view of symbiotic co-evolution.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

            What makes you think humans are separable into a predator/prey dichotomy?

          • Monkey See Monkey Do

            Social Darwinism. It’s the new religion, you joining or not?

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

            100+ years of Darwin-_inspired_ Huxleyian nonsense (i.e. intraspecies competition leads to a survival of the fittest) is a tough intellectual habit to shake. It requires a determined mind to take a good, hard look at the diversity of cooperation in nature–even across species–to see that nature, let alone ‘society’, is not ‘red in tooth and claw’. When teaching political realism (the tradition in poli sci to view the world as operating strictly under ‘might-makes-right’ principles), I used to tell my students to consider what may result if they were to apply those psychotic principles to their personal lives: “See how many of your friends and family stick around.” So, obviously, there are causes other than the ‘natural order of things’ for this type of behaviour, because it sure as hell ain’t normal for a social species like ours.

          • Calypso_1

            I read your thesis. Perhaps this will prove fruitful in future conversation.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

            Thanks for reading. Trying to get over writer’s block at the moment.

          • Calypso_1

            I read your thesis. Perhaps this will prove fruitful in future conversation.

          • jnana

            As I said in an earlier post, projection makes perception. When a Darwinist perceives life as a competitive deathmatch, they may be projecting their own (repressed?)selfish, orgiastic and violent attitudes on the external world.

          • http://www.facebook.com/eric.fischer.73 Eric Fischer

            Observation and studying recorded human history.

            The real question is what makes you think that if SHTF, the most heavily armed, most experienced and best trained fighters (Ted Nugent aside) are the ones who will be in the most danger?

            The reality is that those in the most danger would be whomever has stuff that the biggest, baddest gangs around need or want.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

            I said it half in jest, really. But since there’s always truth hidden behind humor, I’ll indulge you. I think those that have weapons (regardless of training or not) also possess a weaponized mentality. That’s crucial for defining how they interact with others. Social apes who pour their mental and physical resources into means and methods of doing harm to others lead self-prophesized lives. Through retribution because of what identity they held or what they did before the ‘collapse’ (a woefully insufficient word to describe the disaggregation of a centralized social system), or through their impotent attempts to recapitulate the faulty logic that ‘might makes right’, the collapse of collective identification with the centre will result in an increase in personal autonomy regardless of any amount of weaponry.

            Force does not work. This is what history up to this point is definitively telling us. We may read in text books that war has defined the boundaries of humanity and steered the course of history, but this is the preaching of an Establishment desperate to innoculate minds against their own autonomy. There is a reason that what Chomsky and Herman termed the Propaganda Model came to prominence in the 20th century. Michel Foucault referred to it as the disciplinary episteme, where we have been taught to police ourSelves through the propagation of rules and regulations and systems of hegemonic knowledge. Violence imposed against the masses was beginning to fail in the late 18th to early 19th centuries, hence the revolutionary periods of upheaval. People became unsatisfied with authoritative violence, because it became obvious that it always protected the doublestandards that power enjoys. In lieu of mass violence domestically, propaganda was selected as the only available option–if bodies remain out of control, then attempts must be made to _convince_ people that it still worked. But violence doesn’t work. It never has, because there is a proponderent number of people who eschew it and will take a stand against it. Social apes that bring violence into their social relationships don’t last.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

            What makes you think humans are separable into a predator/prey dichotomy?

  • zombieslapper

    “‘There is no leader,’ [explains] Christian Kerodin, a convicted felon who is a promoter of the project.”

    Riiiiiiiiiight… Have fun with that.

  • Anarchy Pony

    It’d be fun if they actually had any idea what a marxist or socialist actually was.

    • VaudeVillain

      What I wonder is how they intend to divide labor and material goods. I imagine that the plan involves everyone cooperating to produce food, manufacture material goods, educate the children and defend the compound together, with each individual focusing on both their particular area(s) of expertise and on the needs of the group.

      With labor divided thus, it would make sense that everyone is provided for by others as needed, so that specialized labor can be done without penalizing those with such skills. Something along the lines of “from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs” would likely make the most sense.

  • InfvoCuernos

    I wonder how a convicted felon is even allowed to have a residence containing firearms. Strategically speaking, tying yourself to a fortification is only setting yourself up for siege and makes you a sitting duck for air attack. Zombies are about the only thing a castle will protect against.

    • VaudeVillain

      Indeed, it’s why I’ve started keeping track of the many well-armed and skilled people I know with whom I get along and who possess compatible (never identical) philosophical, political and social views. When things go sideways, find your scary friends and figure out how to cope.

      I’ve actually considered trying to formalize this into some sort of militia… but frankly I don’t want to deal with the inevitable heat from law enforcement (well-meaning or otherwise) or the likely drama that such a move might cause… these ARE my friends, after all. Plus, I’d like to think I’m just not that crazy.

      • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

        In my opinion, you are wise to make friends (especially the scary ones) before you need them.

        Additionally, refraining from any sort of formalization is also prudent.

        First and foremost, formal groups with guns and plans are the target of other groups with guns and plans. Primarily the cops.

        It only takes one or two whackos in your group to get sucked into some FBI entrapment scheme and cause you grave legal problems.

        As you also point out, there is a problem with “drama” in such groups. There are a surprising number of people from what I’m suddenly going to call a “Moses Complex”.

        There is also the consideration that formally aligning yourself with any specific group can cause you to be on the “wrong side”.

        Being friendly with a number of people and bringing something to the table yourself, will allow you to choose the correct allies if the time for that ever arrives.

    • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

      Be careful with your blanket disdain and wonderment that “convicted felons” are “even allowed” to “have a residence containing firearms.”

      In fact, fuck you for saying that.

      Just because an individual takes such offense at the un-convicted felons running this land from the corporate boards and the broken, tyrannical political offices that they start taking counter-cultural actions, and then get targeted and convicted as “felons” for their behavior, does not mean that they should be thought of as un-worthy human scum without a second thought.

      Christian Kerodin seems to have been convicted of extortion and possessing an illegal weapon.
      http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2010/11/three-letter-frog-in-kerodins-pocket.html

      Let me be totally clear about my point here. Do I trust Kerodin (or whatever his real last name is)? No. Do I think we should all live like him? No. But I know there is a federal and mega-corporate mafia of people who want to subjugate humans and re-engineer them to suit their mafia and mega-corporate purposes. And I know they will try to get society to ignore their racism and get society to vigilantly watch their neighbors for racism. And get society to ignore their bullying and violence while getting society to vigilantly watch their neighbors for signs of bullying and violence. Basically that our “leaders” are the biggest criminals in the world and they actually have us abused citizens (abused children) now picking on each other for the same sins that they get away with. So my point is that you’re picking on the wrong felon if you pick on this one in Idaho. In a choice between letting a pure stereotype — a gun-loving, paleo-conservative, John Birch, white-race-separatist, right-winger — have his own Private Idaho bunker society of consenting adults (and even the un-consenting children thereof) or to say that the United States is now so wonderfully, liberally, culturally evolved that it has the right to tell everyone the right way to raise their children, and to prevent the citizens from keeping guns as a defense against the possible day that the government takes off its friendly-Obama mask and reveals the iron tyranny brick wall behind the theater screen, then I choose the former. Because the United States government is lying their ass off to us. The capitalists and globalists who run it are lying their asses off to us. We should not be picking on fellow abused citizens, even if they have made some mistakes that earned them Federal “Justice” Department attention. After all, if we did not learn the lesson about letting Federalist / Globalist liars get away with murder at Ruby Ridge, then we certainly should not repeat the same mistake this time.

      And don’t let us not be friends. I just say “fuck you” a lot when I see exactly the wrong mentality in people. We can still be friends another day.

      • InfvoCuernos

        I think you may have misinterpreted my statement of the fact that a known felon was declaring that he would be in a residence that also contained firearms, thus opening up the whole compound to search warrants and ATF raids. I have first hand experience with the law regarding convicted felons and firearms so I am pretty surprised that anyone not trusting the government would open themselves up to being shut down by that government before they even get off the ground. Anyway, thanks for the informative link about what his crime was, and fuck you too!

      • InfvoCuernos

        I think you may have misinterpreted my statement of the fact that a known felon was declaring that he would be in a residence that also contained firearms, thus opening up the whole compound to search warrants and ATF raids. I have first hand experience with the law regarding convicted felons and firearms so I am pretty surprised that anyone not trusting the government would open themselves up to being shut down by that government before they even get off the ground. Anyway, thanks for the informative link about what his crime was, and fuck you too!

        • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

          I’ve been catching up on disinfo posts today.

          You’re probably already aware that I complimented you on another thread for your awareness of the Ruby Ridge thing — I found that comment after I found this one.

          * * *

          For what it’s worth, I can easily explain why people would not mind having such a leader as would set them up from the get-go (with his rap-sheet) to being drawn into conflict with raiding federal authorities.

          Besides the fact that there seems to always be “insane” cult followers for every cult, whose faith is impervious to the “reason” of outsiders who would advise them to leave, one compelling reason is that these people in this case probably are heavy-into the “nullification” or “sovereign” movements. They will believe that the feds simply do not have the right, moral or legal, to do that to them.

          Such things may turn out like Waco / Ruby Ridge, or they may turn out like the 2010 charges against Hutaree Militia for conspiracy-to-attack-government-sites: arrests and apologetic non-prosecution.

          Or they may be left alone until something more serious than “the leader has federal convictions” happens to inspire raids on his compound. Let’s all hope that they are left alone and that they do not live as bad examples of anti-federal citizens (committing patent child abuse, pure terrorism, et cetera).

          “Whenever three people are together talking about over-throwing the government, two of them are agents.”

          • InfvoCuernos

            That last line says it all. Thanks for the link on the Hutaree.

  • BuzzCoastin

    Waco II?

  • JaceD

    I immediately thought of the B52’s when I read this article

    http://youtu.be/9vOPFGHV1sQ

  • http://www.facebook.com/pete.braun Pete Braun

    So much for being The Gem State. Idaho is now officially The Shit-pile State.

  • SC88

    How is this not just a microcosm of any socialist or communist state? Miniaturizing or downsizing government does not erase the potential for conflict or the struggle over ideology, resources and human need. From the outset it is clear that this compound is already decided in its belief and must have some sense of moral or political supremacy over the rest of society. Sure, this is also applicable every level of our own government, but at least we are not locked in a castle full of guns with our government. (I understand some people will find room to say that we technically are locked in by police and the National Guard…but hey.) In either case, nothing good happens in these situations. They begin with good intentions. The assertion of our right to bear arms, our right to privacy and our liberty to gather. However these situations inevitably devolve into personality cults or dominating cliques that replicate and intensify the very “oppression” they seek to escape. Although used originally as an appeal to peace during the American Revolution the quote applies fittingly here: which is better—to be ruled by one tyrant three thousand miles away, or by three thousand tyrants not a mile away?

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