• BuzzCoastin

    let’s face it folks
    Der Homeland became Der Homeland
    because Wee the Sheeple let it become Der Homeland
    wee have no one to blame but ourselves

    • Ittabena

      True enough Buzz but in this case I don’t think we can use that for the prime reason for this.

      I actually lived in the Memphis area for twenty years. Being just across the street from the foreign country of Mississippi, where I actually lived, I can tell you that this has more to do with prejudice than with us falling asleep. Even though Memphis has had a black mayor for years and years – King Willie Herenton, another story all by itself – knowledgeable African-Americans still have areas of the Magnolia State where they will not go because, as it was put to me, “That’s a Klan area.”.

      When the above quote was made to me by my co-worker Fred it was because I had asked him about a road named “Ed Voorlich’s Head” where I had a delivery for the first time. Additionally, where I lived, a campground on the historic Mississippi, co-workers were invited to come down and party on the lake with the bosses and I. And while some did, our African-American brothers always declined because as one said; “They’s too many oak trees down there…” Years later I did discover that one of the higher ups of the local KKK did in fact have a cabin two campgrounds over. One white man who lived there started dating a woman of the darker persuasion and though he never heard a word about it, one night his cabin did in fact burn to the ground.

      Being originally from Springfield IL and having played around Lincoln’s Home and Lincoln’s courthouse as a child, and having made Boy Scout pilgrimages to Lincoln’s tomb once a year this was all a shock to me. Whether we like it or not prejudice and even racial segregation is still alive and well in the South, they just don’t burn crosses on the lawn very often anymore. Sad, but true.

  • http://www.facebook.com/zach.johnston.984 Zach Johnston

    You are absolutely full of shit, dude. Maybe the reason you “feel bizarre” about breaking news from 1999 is because it was entirely debunked in this report from the department of justice in 2000 http://www.justice.gov/crt/about/crm/mlk/part2.php. First of all, Jowers never testified as a witness in King v Jowers as you claim- the only time he ever made conspiracy allegations under oath was in Ray v Jowers in 1995 and in both cases he was the defendant so get your facts straight. He didn’t even believe his own assertions, I quote: “Jowers characterized a central feature of his story — that someone besides Ray shot Dr. King with a rifle other than the one recovered at the crime scene — as “bullshit.”" Second of all, how can the United States federal government be found guilty of anything if it’s not even on trial in the case in question? Third of all, you can’t be found “GUILTY of murder” in a civil trial! Do you even know the difference between civil and criminal law? Let me help you out- MURDER is a CRIME. Also, Bizarro World is DC comics, not Marvel you jackass. Even your metaphors are factually inaccurate! Truly this is some disinformation right here, I mean, who edits this crap?

    • Ittabena

      Yes and Popular Mechanics totally debunked the 9/11 conspiracy. But the laws of physics were still defied and broken. Debunked is not a magic word. Just because someone uses the word doesn’t mean we have license to ignore to facts and take comfort in the connotation of the buzz word.

      Also, last I checked the DoJ did not have the power to overturn any court decisions, only the Supreme Court has that ability. Unless of course their has been some Executive Order that changed the Constitution.

      • http://www.facebook.com/zach.johnston.984 Zach Johnston

        Did you bother to read the link or did you just stop at “Debunked”? Also I’m sorry, but you cannot be found guilty of murder in a civil trial- that’s why OJ Simpson is only liable for the wrongful deaths of his victims. Everything this guy said was exaggerated, misrepresented or straight up untrue. Even if you believe there was a conspiracy involved in the MLK assassination, and I’m not saying there wasn’t, you don’t go about exposing the truth by employing utter lies. That’s Fox News logic.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=647058614 Will Coles

          To say “Everything this guy said was exaggerated, misrepresented or straight up untrue” is itself a lie! You’re being as emotive as he is, the difference is that he’d admit it, it’s part of his shtick, part of his stand up routine, what’s your excuse?!

          I found the DoJ ‘rebuttal’ only covered a small part of the evidence & witnesses in the case. It seemed to ignore the parts it couldn’t explain or were awkward. ‘Debunked’ is definitely the wrong word for that.

          • Ittabena

            “I found the DoJ ‘rebuttal’ only covered a small part of the evidence
            & witnesses in the case. It seemed to ignore the parts it couldn’t
            explain or were awkward. ‘Debunked’ is definitely the wrong word for
            that.”

            But lately whenever someone says debunked it seems that they are counting on us to read the headline and decide based on it alone. Usually the evidence that is debunked is selectively cherry picked and never comprehensive. I completely agree with your last sentence.

        • Ittabena

          No no no… I stopped with your angry abuse of the OP, and your sweeping generalizations which have never been accepted as proper tactics and is usually a sign that someone wants you to believe the OS and throw all other evidence out because I gave you one dubious link – in this case the DoJ, who has never done anything underhanded unless you count… – and because they are angrier.

          Had you taken a more even handed tone with the OP I probably would have read the link but would have still considered the source. Meh!

          If you have a friend (Government) that has been caught lying over and over you tend to stop trusting the things that friend (Governemnt) has to say, knowing that you are dealing with a liar. Not Fox News logic, it’s basic common sense.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=647058614 Will Coles

    Just so we know what the difference is: “The reason this is possible is that there are two different standards of proof in criminal and civil cases and it is possible that the evidence in the criminal case is not strong enough for a criminal conviction but is strong enough for a civil jury verdict. In criminal cases, proof of the crime must be by proof beyond a reasonable doubt, a very high standard. In civil cases, the standard is proof by the preponderance of the evidence, a lower leverl of proof. The reasonable doubt standard is sometimes likened to having a moral certainty that the charges have been proved. The propnderance standard is simply that the weight of the evidence makes it more likely that one side is right than the other.”

    There has been no successful appeal against this therefore it stands, & it’s best not to believe government findings that prop up government actions, they are biased by their very nature!

    • http://www.facebook.com/zach.johnston.984 Zach Johnston

      I don’t know why you keep bringing up appeals- I never said the word appeal, appealed or made any intimation that the finding in this case was overturned.

      So when was the united states government on trial for the murder of MLK? Please cite your case here. Are you saying that you can be found guilty of murder without a murder trial now? Because I’m fairly certain the title of this video is “US Government Found GUILTY Of Murdering Martin Luther King Jr.” And yes, you are right about the difference of the burden of proof between civil and criminal trials. So you are admitting then that the evidence brought forth in this trial did not, and indeed was never meant to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the United states was guilty of murder, right? That would explain why, in the transcript, the judge never says this court hereby finds the defendant, the united states of America, guilty of murder in such and such a degree. That would explain why there was no sentencing handed down to the U.S. Government. Because murder convictions are, necessarily, preceded by murder trials in this country.

      “And it’s best not to believe…” blah blah blah you say, but comedians are always 100% unbiased? Excuse me, but the video itself ends with a promotion for “My other propaganda” which is an admission that this is in fact propaganda as well. I’ll just go ahead and assume that you don’t know the definition of propaganda so here’s the merriam-webster version: “ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect”.

      Also, you mentioned earlier that you felt the DOJ report left out parts of the trial it “couldn’t explain”. I gave five examples of this video’s inaccuracy in my first post. Maybe you could be bothered to bring up one, single example of an aspect of the trial the DOJ does not satisfactorily address in it’s six-part report published on it’s webpage? Or any examples for that matter. At all. They’re commonly used to support arguments. Perhaps you’d rather have a nice, confined semantic debate about the word “debunked”?

    • http://www.facebook.com/zach.johnston.984 Zach Johnston

      I don’t know why you keep bringing up appeals- I never said the word appeal, appealed or made any intimation that the finding in this case was overturned.

      So when was the united states government on trial for the murder of MLK? Please cite your case here. Are you saying that you can be found guilty of murder without a murder trial now? Because I’m fairly certain the title of this video is “US Government Found GUILTY Of Murdering Martin Luther King Jr.” And yes, you are right about the difference of the burden of proof between civil and criminal trials. So you are admitting then that the evidence brought forth in this trial did not, and indeed was never meant to prove, beyond a reasonable doubt, that the United states was guilty of murder, right? That would explain why, in the transcript, the judge never says this court hereby finds the defendant, the united states of America, guilty of murder in such and such a degree. That would explain why there was no sentencing handed down to the U.S. Government. Because murder convictions are, necessarily, preceded by murder trials in this country.

      “And it’s best not to believe…” blah blah blah you say, but comedians are always 100% unbiased? Excuse me, but the video itself ends with a promotion for “My other propaganda” which is an admission that this is in fact propaganda as well. I’ll just go ahead and assume that you don’t know the definition of propaganda so here’s the merriam-webster version: “ideas, facts, or allegations spread deliberately to further one’s cause or to damage an opposing cause; also : a public action having such an effect”.

      Also, you mentioned earlier that you felt the DOJ report left out parts of the trial it “couldn’t explain”. I gave five examples of this video’s inaccuracy in my first post. Maybe you could be bothered to bring up one, single example of an aspect of the trial the DOJ does not satisfactorily address in it’s six-part report published on it’s webpage? Or any examples for that matter. At all. They’re commonly used to support arguments. Perhaps you’d rather have a nice, confined semantic debate about the word “debunked”?

  • Ittabena

    Well of course they did. What do you expect from a pig but a grunt? Preserve the OS at all costs, even when everyone knows it is BS. King started criticizing the Viet Nam war shortly before he was killed, and though those close to him cautioned him against it, he said that he had to do it. Some feel the “Mountain Top” speech and his reference to longevity and “may not get with you there” reference was because he felt, or knew, what was coming for him.

    By the way, Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman and the Twin Towers fell at free fall speed because it had a fire ignited by hi-test kerosene. Additionally Santa Clause is real and so is the Tooth Fairy.