Aurora Shooter Could Be Given ‘Truth Serum’ To Establish His Insanity

Instances of the age-old sodium pentothal technique in the criminal justice system is exceedingly rare. Could its possible use to get inside the mind of this high-profile mass killer kick off a trend? Via the New York Times:

The defendant in the Aurora theater shooting can be given “truth serum” if he pleads not guilty by reason of insanity, the judge in the case said Monday. James E. Holmes also could be given a polygraph examination as part of an evaluation to determine if he was legally insane at the time of the July 20 shootings.

Judge William Sylvester approved the use of a “narcoanalytic interview,” a decades-old process in which patients are given drugs to reduce their inhibitions. The prospect of such an interview alarmed defense lawyers, who filed documents opposing the technique. Mr. Holmes, 25, is charged with killing 12 people and wounding 70 at a midnight showing of “The Dark Knight Rises.”

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  • Liam_McGonagle

    You can dope up a fellah with all the drugs in the world. Maybe shove bamboo shoots under his fingernails, too. That doesn’t make what comes out of his mouth the factual truth.

    Or bring back any of the victims, either.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    You can dope up a fellah with all the drugs in the world. Maybe shove bamboo shoots under his fingernails, too. That doesn’t make what comes out of his mouth the factual truth.

    Or bring back any of the victims, either.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    You can dope up a fellah with all the drugs in the world. Maybe shove bamboo shoots under his fingernails, too. That doesn’t make what comes out of his mouth the factual truth.

    Or bring back any of the victims, either.

  • InfvoCuernos

    So a judge can just green light this treatment? Every day it just gets worse than the last. If they can do it to one crazy douche, they can do it to anyone, and remember, this is before the verdict. Horrible implications.

  • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

    The more one “pulls the thread” on this event, the more one just decides to take a Fuckidol and quit.

    The waters of internet research are simply too muddy.

    Where information is political, disinformation reigns supreme.

    For what it’s worth, I seem to recall the Holmes Junior was into cutting edge secrets of DNA, and Holmes Senior was going to testify in the LIBOR scandal, and I think he was a bigwig in computer software.

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    • echar

      That is disturbing. I try not to get wrapped up in this kind of thing. I wonder if the person making the claim is an expert on this kind of thing? I know I am not, but I wonder if the face can change between a relaxed and distressed state? Also I wonder about the effects that may occur with perspective due to photo quality and distance?

      Are you an expert?

      • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

        …wait until some day you’re locked up away from society and no one will believe your story or listen to you, because they are too busy to get wrapped up.

        I’m not blaming you, but this is the kind of story that “everyone” ignores because it’s happening to “someone else” (in Syria, in an Aurora jail, Bradley Manning in Fort Meade or Quantico, wherever) and the media just beats you over the head with the Official Story and you can’t fight it.

        But, for a minute, try to really imagine that you’re innocent and you’re locked up, and no one will believe you. It’s happened to me before…

        (but, as you may notice, even I still say things like this make me take a “Fuckidol”.)

        • echar

          I believe that can happen. I have been on the business end myself.

        • echar

          No matter if that is an impostor, the real deal, or some fantastical unknown. That person is going to rot away in some dark hole. “Fuckidol” indeed!

      • InfvoCuernos

        Its one of the most difficult issues that modern humanity has to deal with: at what point do we as citizens have to investigate claims like this? How far do we go? Who do we believe? Anyone can make an entry into Wikipedia. The govt. has been caught lying so many times that its more the rule than the exception. What is too far-fetched? When I first heard 9-11 conspiracies, I couldn’t believe our govt would do that sort of thing, but now, I have a hard time believing they wouldn’t. When I see a new story like the ID question regarding James Holmes, I ask myself what possible benefit the G would have for doing this, vs just killing the guy off.

      • InfvoCuernos

        Its one of the most difficult issues that modern humanity has to deal with: at what point do we as citizens have to investigate claims like this? How far do we go? Who do we believe? Anyone can make an entry into Wikipedia. The govt. has been caught lying so many times that its more the rule than the exception. What is too far-fetched? When I first heard 9-11 conspiracies, I couldn’t believe our govt would do that sort of thing, but now, I have a hard time believing they wouldn’t. When I see a new story like the ID question regarding James Holmes, I ask myself what possible benefit the G would have for doing this, vs just killing the guy off.

        • echar

          How do we effectively separate the useful from the white noise?

        • echar

          How do we effectively separate the useful from the white noise?

          • InfvoCuernos

            I wish I knew. I am pretty sure that “truth serum” isn’t the answer tho. I wish there was a real truth serum we could administer to our governors and administrators, but I am sure they would find a way to either swap the real drug for a placebo, or counter it with a second drug, or dodge out of taking it in the first place.

          • echar

            I am no expert on sodium pentothal, however I do remember reading that it is unreliable for actual truth. This may be because of the possible suggestibility due to the added state of being vulnerable during interrogation. However I have read that it can be used to assist recall of traumatic memories. It seems this “news” may be further twisting the strange loops around this incident.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=742104313 Adam Goodwin

          Am I the only one that looks at the tightening of the circle of trust as a good thing? After all, the US, gubbamint, and all that are just notions in our heads, no? The more people that trust others less the better, if you get what I mean. It implies that we’re beginning to close in on a critical point where everyone says ‘fuck it, i’m doing my own thing now’ and stops cooperating with the Whole Damned Thing. Then it’s revealed that the myths behind our social organization up to this point were never external to us and completely dependent on our own imaginings of them. That’s neurological evolution spawned from cultural evolution, baby. The more corruption the better, at this point. Bring on the end times! Like Carlin always said, “fuck these people, these humans, let them do their thing. i’ll watch. it’s fun. i have no stake in the outcome anymore”

          • InfvoCuernos

            The solution is worse than the problem then. We can all say fuck it all day long, but just try a little Wesley Snipes style tax evasion and see how far that gets you. Pretty much any form of society outside of family/clan organization requires some level of group conceit. At some point we have to place some trust that those in charge are going to do the right thing. The only solution to that would be to put cameras on all the administrators and police and watch the watchmen.

    • Calypso_1

      I’ve got an ear that sticks out further than the other ear…..and that’s even with part of it missing.

  • lazy_friend

    Obviously insane.

  • echar

    No matter what, this guy will rot away in some dark place.

  • echar

    No matter what, this guy will rot away in some dark place.

  • joshsummer

    it seems like they are exhausting way to much time and effort on this dude. Obviously he was crazy he thought he was the joker for gods sake. It doesn’t really matter what the tests show its not like they are going to let him out.

  • joshsummer

    it seems like they are exhausting way to much time and effort on this dude. Obviously he was crazy he thought he was the joker for gods sake. It doesn’t really matter what the tests show its not like they are going to let him out.

  • Calypso_1

    If they are planning on lowering the inhibitions of someone that is seriously mentally ill they could be in for quite a ride.
    I can only imagine the appeals process the defense might be dreaming up.

  • BuzzCoastin

    WTF, drugs! He gets rewarded with drugs?!
    Waterboard him; that’s the ‘Merkin Way!

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  • Bo Treat

    i knew a guy that looked like that in the eyes, same fish stare, i never liked to look his way, and i now know why.

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