• http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

    Icke: “I am Jesus and you can too”

  • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

    Icke: “I am Jesus and you can too”

    • echar

      Icke is hardly even mentioned in this. Just so you know.

      • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

        I listened to the whole thing Bra! They were talking about how Icke originally came out as thye Son of God. You ain’t gonna gank me that easy!

      • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

        I listened to the whole thing Bra! They were talking about how Icke originally came out as thye Son of God. You ain’t gonna gank me that easy!

        • echar

          Icke is the least interesting thing about this, imo. I am just curious why you would flog a dead horse?

          Since we are on the topic though, In The Biggest Secret: The Book That Will Change the World. Icke talks about how there are several pre jesus son’s of God, born of a virgin mother, and who died for the sins of man.

          Curiously those indoctrinated to think their Messiah is the bees knees are prone to have a typical knee jerk reaction when confronted with certain facts Bra.

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            Actually, I think Icke is da bomb! I view him as more of a performance artist/shaman than historian however. Viewing him as an historian ends up being really frustrating in the end.

            If the topic of messiahs piques your interest you should check out sacred geometry.

          • echar

            Right on… you just made my cool list. I am curious of sacred geometry. Can you recommend some reading?

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            Thanks man! The stuff Camron Wiltshire posts on here is really good. Deep though! Gotta run off to work!

  • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

    Thanks again for the shout out. My reptilian DNA thanks you!

  • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

    Come on disinfonauts! We have to start the reptilian discussion of all reptilian discussions!

  • Juan

    How can anyone take this lizard-people stuff seriously? Um, wait never mind . . .
    So this guy is just jumping on the David Icke bandwagon. The thing about Icke, some of his more outlandish claims aside, is he actually makes, what seems to me, some very valid points about how the public is being manipulated/indoctrinated/controlled through the media.
    I just cannot get past the whole reptilian thing. Sure, maybe he had some spiritual/shamanic type of experience that may have given rise to these ideas in his head. Hell, I’ve been in ayahuasca ceremonies where I transformed into a snake. It felf amazing, btw. That does does not mean that I’m gonna be running around proclaiming to everyone I meet that I am snake man.

    • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

      Sure you aren’t Snake man!

    • Matt Staggs

      Juan, have you listened to the podcast? The guest doesn’t actually espouse this stuff. It’s more a study of reptilian imagery and conspiracy theories about the same. He’s definitely not a true believer.

      • Juan

        Busted. No, I have not. I just read the brief copy after the title and assumed the dude was a true believer. My bad. I will check it out, eventually.

      • Juan

        Busted. No, I have not. I just read the brief copy after the title and assumed the dude was a true believer. My bad. I will check it out, eventually.

        • Matt Staggs

          Ha ha! No sweat! I’m just glad you’re joining in on the conversation here.

          • Juan

            Thanks, Matt. Glad to be here.
            Just listened to about 30 minutes of this talk. Intersting stuff for sure. More grist for the mill. It’s good he’s trying to clear up some faulty scholarship.
            I find the reptilian theme fascinating, especially since the imagery is so ubiquitous in so many traditions as well as in visionary/entheogenic experiences. I’ve had my own encounters with Madre Ayahuasca and her accompanying serpent imagery. Lots to think about . . .

          • Juan

            Thanks, Matt. Glad to be here.
            Just listened to about 30 minutes of this talk. Intersting stuff for sure. More grist for the mill. It’s good he’s trying to clear up some faulty scholarship.
            I find the reptilian theme fascinating, especially since the imagery is so ubiquitous in so many traditions as well as in visionary/entheogenic experiences. I’ve had my own encounters with Madre Ayahuasca and her accompanying serpent imagery. Lots to think about . . .

    • rtb61

      It’s just a distortion of reality. More accurately it’s the secret history of psychopaths and the lizard mind as described in early philosophy.
      That behavioural pattern of the psychopath, humans with the emotional responses and depth of your typical snake, has been twisted into the Reptilian Alien concept.
      Psychopaths can be more readily described as a parasitic sub-species, who prey upon and eventually destroy the social host species when the number of psychopaths become excessive.

      • Juan

        Yeah, I get the metaphor.
        It’s just too bad that these bastards are quite literally running the show on a global level. I mean psychopaths, not lizard people. Well, if you wanna get poetic, then sure, reptilians or whatever you wanna call ‘em.
        The thing is though, that Icke is not being metaphorical. Form what I have heard him say, he is being very literal. Come to think of it, a lack of appreciation and understanding of metaphor, simile and allegory has lead to all kinds of confusion. Not to mention the worst kinds of noxious and rabid fundamentalisms of various flavors.

        • jnana

          Maybe Archetypes really exist in some semi-corporeal form? Like fairies, and UFOs , aliens, angels, demons, etc. Maybe our world is like a representative democracy where the archetypes that are most popular have the most corporeality like money, war, dictators, broken families, rich, poor, etc. In different times different Archetypes were ascendant hence their beliefs that we as a culture consider primitive.

          • jnana

            And if this is the case, maybe there are people who know how to manipulate belief through suggestion and therefore make certain Archetypal realities more popular and therefore more real and actual. Like lobbyists for corporation

          • Juan

            There is no doubt in my mind that is exactly what’s happening. Corporate state (read fascist) propaganda is all about the manipulation of belief through suggestion. We are awash in that shit; it is the air we breathe.

          • Juan

            There is no doubt in my mind that is exactly what’s happening. Corporate state (read fascist) propaganda is all about the manipulation of belief through suggestion. We are awash in that shit; it is the air we breathe.

          • jnana

            Which is why Jesus Christ called the devil, “the Prince of the Power of the Air”. ELFs and UHFs ;)

          • jnana

            Which is why Jesus Christ called the devil, “the Prince of the Power of the Air”. ELFs and UHFs ;)

  • jnana

    what this belief does is open one up to greater possibilities, meaning if you take this hypothesis seriously, reality becomes very strange and you won’t be surprised when stranger things happen. problem is those pesky lens still filter reality.
    to sopho xenon ouden.

  • Matt Staggs

    Forgot about this piece I wrote a couple of years ago about lizard/snake people in popular culture. http://paranormal.suvudu.com/2010/05/monster-week-snake-people-and-lizard-men-uncoiling-a-monster.html

  • pop

    In my humble opinion, when David Icke talks about reptilians; he is visually interpreting a level of continuous.

  • pop

    In my humble opinion, when David Icke talks about reptilians; he is visually interpreting a level of continuous.

  • BuzzCoastin

    funny how the Icke’s Reptilian thing is dismissed in this interview
    but the Bible is taken at face value as history, or so it seems
    additionally
    this discussion of the reptile is biased by a Western perspective
    snakes and dragons have different profiles in Asia

    I have long thought that Icke’s Reptilian thing
    was at best a defense strategy and at worst a metaphor

    • http://www.facebook.com/mr.scotty.roberts Scotty Roberts

      That was certainly one facet covered in the book. The biblical perspective is mentioned as being part of “human religious mythology,” and where much of the negative perspective of serpent deities originated in current-day thinking.

      As to the Bible being a good source for history, that isn’t as far-fetched a notion as you might think. I think the problem with people not wanting to view the bible as an efficacious historical source, is as much immersed in bias and preconceived notions as are the arguments on the other end of the spectrum. While the bible is indeed a collection of books of faith – or books that were written to bolster faith – does not automatically render the history it contains as irrelevant, erroneous or somehow completely false. There are many, many points of established history and archaeology in the pages of the bible. Just ask me, and I will present you with fact after fact after fact after fact that establishes and qualifies this hypothesis.

    • http://www.facebook.com/mr.scotty.roberts Scotty Roberts

      That was certainly one facet covered in the book. The biblical perspective is mentioned as being part of “human religious mythology,” and where much of the negative perspective of serpent deities originated in current-day thinking.

      As to the Bible being a good source for history, that isn’t as far-fetched a notion as you might think. I think the problem with people not wanting to view the bible as an efficacious historical source, is as much immersed in bias and preconceived notions as are the arguments on the other end of the spectrum. While the bible is indeed a collection of books of faith – or books that were written to bolster faith – does not automatically render the history it contains as irrelevant, erroneous or somehow completely false. There are many, many points of established history and archaeology in the pages of the bible. Just ask me, and I will present you with fact after fact after fact after fact that establishes and qualifies this hypothesis.

      • BuzzCoastin

        Biblical archeology is not archeology for fact finding; it’s an attempt to prove a novel is history.

        I realize that there are plenty of people who take the Bible as a historical record, nonetheless, I’m not aware of any major archeological discovery that substantially substantiates the Bible as history.

        Additionally, even at face value, the Bible record covers a rather limited period of time in comparison to other archeology. Stonehenge & Göbekli Tepe are much older than the Bible or the period it covers.

  • echar

    The part about how the reptilian mythology came from “intuited” themes for esoteric groups is interesting.

    There is no mention of what some claim as anti Semitism linked to the reptilian myth.

  • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

    Here is why its plausible to me:

    I have met dragons in hyperspace and they seem really really “dragony” You know? Like for example, picture an amusement park statue. Like a big cartoon animal, or like a cheap, lawn ornament deer. They look obviously fake. They have no ‘presence” but I saw a life size bronze of a wild boar once and it was powerful. It captured the essence of a wild boar.

    There is some essence of a Dragon “out there” and it seems like a real thing, and people have tried throughout the centuries to capture this essence, in Art, literature and mythology, and its associated not only with that but with Royalty and Deity. Just think of the Emporers of China, who alone were allowed to wear robes designated with the “five toed dragon”

    And what they are like is basically Smaug, from the Hobbit. That is what they are like, very proud, haughty, and also something luxurious. Like really refined, aristocratic killers. Like the kind of aristocrats that used to be around but which you no longer really see. Like some guy in a silk smoking Jacket, lounging in his Library, with a dueling scar on his face, animal heads mounted on his walls, from far flung adventures, talking with perfect diction about art and literature.

    That is what they are like.

    • jnana

      I knew a guy who saw the dragons in the sky when sacred mushrooms took the filters off his lens. Also there are people in the trees, mostly women, I guess they’re called dryads.

      • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

        that’s cool.

      • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

        that’s cool.

  • http://twitter.com/globaloutrage Jack Scharber

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