Japanese Tsunami Survivors Turn To Exorcists To Relieve Haunting By Ghosts

Via Yahoo! News, a sad example of how can ghosts can manifest in even in the most hypermodern society when there is unresolved trauma:

The tsunami that engulfed northeastern Japan two years ago has left some survivors believing they are seeing ghosts. In a society wary of admitting to mental problems, many are turning to exorcists for help.

Tales of spectral figures lined up at shops where now there is only rubble are what psychiatrists say is a reaction to fear after the March 11, 2011, disaster in which nearly 19,000 people were killed.

“The places where people say they see ghosts are largely those areas completely swept away by the tsunami,” said Keizo Hara, a psychiatrist in the city of Ishinomaki. “We think phenomena like ghost sightings are perhaps a mental projection of the terror and worries associated with those places.” Hara said post-traumatic stress disorder (PTSD) might only now be emerging in many people,

Many people in Japan hold on to ancient superstitions despite its ultra-modern image. Taxi drivers said they avoided the worst-hit districts for fear of picking up phantom passengers.

“There are headless ghosts, and some missing hands or legs. Others are completely cut in half,” exorcist Kansho Aizawa said. “People were killed in so many different ways during the disaster and they were left like that in limbo.”

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  • jnana

    reminds me of something from Akira Kurosawa’s film “Dreams”

  • David Duke-Astin

    If one thinks of religious beliefs as metaphorical, it’s much easier to be at peace with the seemingly odd beliefs of others. There is indeed haunting going on here; trauma lingers until you use your power against it.

    • jnana

      I can say the same about thinking of “scientific” beliefs as metaphors for archetypal realities. the difference is, I don’t need to do that to be at peace with someone else’s beliefs.
      are the ghosts real, are they not? are you real, are you not?
      who am I to judge the reality of the outside world? when I dream of a person, do they exist? is the dream world real? if its not because it has no stable, explainable laws, then explain to me chaos in this reality. this reality also consists of dream-like anomalies.
      it is presumptuous to deny someone else’s experiences as “unreal”. or if yer gonna do that, at least deny everyone’s experiences as unreal.

      • David Duke-Astin

        comparing science and religion is a false equivalence. Debates about the nature of reality are very interesting, but at the end of the day, I am real. You are real. Ghosts are not real. Dreams are in the imagination; dreams are not an insight into a parallel reality. We live. We die. We have five senses.

        • jnana

          where(and what) is this “imagination” you speak of?

          • Ittabena

            Don’t ya like the dependence on cliches? As if saying something over and over made it true somehow? I especially like “at the end of the day” it has such a settling finality, as if further discussion is pointless because I have this cliche. What was it that Goering said about repeating a lie often enough?

          • David Duke-Astin

            at the end of the day, you’re simply wrong. personal attacks on me don’t change simple observable reality. Reality doesn’t need your belief.

          • Ittabena

            Just not a debater, huh?

          • David Duke-Astin

            it’s in our brains, dear. Our real brains. Please don’t try to tell me that our imaginary experiences are concrete reality. I know that you think that your imagination is real – well, it is – but what happens there is not real. Basic stuff.

          • jnana

            where in the brain can you find this “imagination”?
            also, where in the brain can we find “concrete reality”?
            why do we dream?
            I just want to point out that, right now, science doesn’t have all the answers and perhaps is on the wrong track. Soon, it may need to change directions if it wants to stay relevant to Human Experiences, unless science reaches the point where it can create virtual experiences/worlds in which case whatever is declared Law is Law.

          • David Duke-Astin

            I can see that you’re fascinated by these philosophical questions, but that does not nullify reality.

          • jnana

            perhaps not, but they do help me to act accordingly

          • Ittabena

            Your the one waving this imagination word around, not me.

          • Ittabena

            You just came unarmed to this didn’t you, son?

            Please don’t try to tell me that our concrete reality are imaginary experiences. He he, well they are…

            Well, fair is fair… What’s good for the goose…

            Is that enough cliches or do you want a couple more?

        • Ittabena

          You misunderstand. My point IS that you misunderstand. We are not comparing anything here. I am saying that Science, Religion and Magic are all part of one whole.

          Think of a three legged table. We think we have three sticks here, but if we look a little higher we will see that they are all part of one table, and if we don’t have them all and understand them to be legs, we will never get to the table.

          • David Duke-Astin

            My table with three scientific legs is much more stable than the relgion/magic table.

          • Ittabena

            But they are all on one side of the table. Do you deny that Galileo’s and Einstein’s discoveries, just to name two, changed the way we viewed science; what we knew to be true? They showed us, explained to us science that we previously had not understood.

            Now, are you saying that we understand all the science we ever will? That we indeed have it all figured out? Of course not, who would say that? So what if, some, or even a little of what we do not understand is due to the fact that it is simply science we have not discovered? And what if some of that science is now classified under mysticism, or magic, or remote viewing? Ingo Swann, R.I.P. What if some of what the primitive religions can still accomplish – anomalies to our understanding still today – are just science that has not been discovered yet?

            What if their are ghosts? And what if one day science discovers and understands the how and why of it? What if it turns out to be very explainable phenomenon? What if science one day says, “Hey, what do ya know, there are ghosts.”? Wouldn’t you be required to believe then? Or would you be forced to turn to another discipline?

            I’ll tell ya what, this guy says it better;

            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iMUiwTubYu0

            One last thought, we still do not quite understand how gravity works. Is it imagination?

            We, nearly all of us, believe in a soul, so why are ghosts so impossible? Simply because we don’t understand it yet?

        • LucidDreamR

          I feel truly sorry for your extremely limited view of our reality….

          • David Duke-Astin

            my view is limited by reality

          • LucidDreamR

            I’m very glad your “reality” is but a perverse imagination to me, as it does not sound like a very interesting one to be living in. It’s only the truly wise that can admit they are fools. And it is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. …a few wise words from two minds far wiser than yours or mine…

          • David Duke-Astin

            more aphorisms and insults? really?

          • Ittabena

            Again with the insults. Dude get over yourself a little. You are the only one guilty of insults, the rest is… Well… Your imagination! Voila, it don’t exist!

    • Ittabena

      If one thinks of how many times and how often we have decided we have it all figured out, only to discover soon afterwards that we had no clue what we were talking about. An egotistical and condescending attitude about others beliefs reveals the owner of such to still be one of the apes in the beginning of the film 2001 who is genuinely proud, not of the femur that he now holds in his hand but more so the ability to lord it over others.

      It is my firm belief that when we understand them well enough we will be able to comprehend the fact that religion, science, and magic are all parts of one thing. Parts that cannot be separated if they are ever to be truly understood.

      Are there ghosts? Anyone who says no categorically is not qualified to answer that question.

      • David Duke-Astin

        Religion is not science. Science is not religion. Magic is neither. This much is already clear. I understand the desire to mix realities with imagination, but there’s no form of magic that will build a bridge. There is no form of religion that will cure an infection.

        I also think the personal insults are inappropriate. I’m not sure why you’re taking this so personally.

        Your last comment is interesting in that it disqualifies non-believers from participating. They call that Epistemic closure.

        • Ittabena

          Your first comment demonstrated a closed mind relying solely on empirical and clinical data, a reliance which has had an historically abysmal track record. Your second now is no more, or no less than I expected.

          As to the alleged insult, it seems you are admitting to an egotistical and condescending attitude in your first comment here or my perceived insult would have been so wide of the mark as to not bear serious consideration, let alone the dignification of a response. Therefore the second half of that sentence seems to bear out.

          And, there is nothing personal in this. I merely lose patience very quickly with people who make dismissive, sweeping generalizations about other people’s beliefs. If you had grown up in that culture and experienced what they have you would probably be behaving just like them. And they, if they read this exchange, would probably find you as uneducated as you do they. Perhaps you were the first to serve up an insult here, but rather than a personal one, you managed to insult a whole group of people. Does the fact that they will likely never see it make it more acceptable? I can’t see that.

          On the Continent of Asia one the oldest scriptures teaches that everyone holds a spark of God inside them, that we are all part of one thing. Did you take this into consideration when you scoffed at these people’s belief system? No, but I did when I went to their defense.

          —->”Religion is not science. Science is not religion. Magic is neither. This much is already clear.”

          Really? Oddly enough the more we learn about Quantum Physics the more it seems that Eastern Philosophies such as Taoist and Buddhism are being proved out to be correct. Aliester Crowley worked for MI6, John Dee as the Royal Magician for the English Royal Family, and the Golden Dawn is said to be the coven of the Rothschild Family. and almost all systems of magic claim the Kabalah, or Qabala, a Jewish teaching as their primary basis. The Catholic and Mormon and much of the Evangelical churches are more of a political organization than a religion these days, the Catholic Church always has been, although they do still perform exorcisms to this day. Scientists of all disciplines have routinely dismissed and hidden evidence that did not fit the accepted view of things since before Galileo. And since before Galileo discoverers of great finds have been persecuted and had their careers ruined, for making just such finds, with the added bonus of slowing scientific progress in some areas to a mere crawl. Many past Presidents have visited Manly P. Hall, mystic and the author of The Secret Teachings Of All Ages, at his museum (Philosophical Research Society) in California. Have you read that book? I have, and after reading it I defy you to competently put it into any one of these classifications. Author Laurence Gardner does a pretty fair job of bridging all these “disciplines” in each of his intriguing and technical books, and he is a high ranking Mason.

          And now, to top it off you want to tell us that these folks are full of beans? Well at least you did not quote Wikipedia.

          • David Duke-Astin

            quantum physics? allusions to Asian religion? more direct personal insults? …and logical fallacies? the mind reals

          • Ittabena

            Allusions? (the Upanishads since you didn’t seem to recognize it) I also named clearly Taoism and Buddhism, so I do not see where allusion can be correctly applied in this case. I was very clear.

            More direct insults? Where? It is quite obvious that you would rather attack the messenger whose message you don’t like than simply discuss the issues. Perhaps you should try ATS (AboveTopSecret.com since we have gotten the crayons out here already for ya.), you could join Phage’s adoring fan club, would feel right at home, and could be as dismissive as you like about things you obviously know nothing about. Most people who come here do so with an open mind, or at least the willingness to entertain new and different ideas so I wonder what brought you here.

            As far as insults go, you fired the first shot, and yet you refuse to discuss that. I merely jumped to the defense of a people you were casually and carelessly maligning. That is the root cause of this exchange. The impetus if you will but I guess we’d rather not talk about that, huh?

            Here in America we have what we call the Bill of Rights, and this guarantees us freedom of religion and beliefs and speech. Perhaps you should check into it, or maybe even read it once. We like it an awful lot although you may not. Adherence to it might mean being a little more civil on a daily basis, and even considerate of other cultures.

            Logical fallacies. I save the best for last. Would you care to point a few out? Or maybe one? Or are you content to sling more dismissive catch phrases and call it good?

            Discuss the issues damnit! You are not Glenn Beck, and you started this. Finish it or retire with dignity. I write half a page and your response is limited to a few broken sentences with no capitalization, missing punctuation and no point? Come on man, bless us with your infinite wisdom, jnana and I are dying to hear what you have. If you have a point, make it! Don’t keep dodging the bullet with weak and empty cliches.

            You mentioned allusions early in this response. Put your ego down for a second and consider coldly and clinically what this last response of yours consisted of. Is it not entirely composed of allusions and nothing else? Meh!

  • BuzzCoastin

    this is not hard to believe
    Americans still see a democracy when they look at their political system
    which is a ghost of the government wiped out by the Tsunami of Coroorate interests

  • dd1976

    The Japanese religion of Shinto is based on the belief that everything has spirits called the Kami….mountains, water, wind, trees, rocks so when a big natural disaster happens there such as this, it is not hard to believe that some in this society would be seeing this or believing that the Kami are being seen as being damaged, harmed or agitated.