The Reason Stick: “The Venn Diagram of Irrational Nonsense”

Picture: Crispian Jago (C)

 

Blog The Reason Stick (Header: A blunt, shit-stained instrument wielded indiscriminately to bludgeon pseudoscience, superstition, blind faith and common or garden irrational bollocks.”) has issued a handy Venn Diagram to classify varieties of “woo”.

When you’re done with the Venn Diagram, you might also enjoy Reason Stick proprietor Crispian Jago’s “Multi-Faith Blasphemy Generator“.

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  • Jamie Lee

    have someone perform rolfing (e.g. extreme deep tissue massage) on your back before you claim it’s “bullshit.” Not that it works for everyone but I find this diagram itself… a bit specious. How much research has been done on these modalities? Acupuncture for instance has been proven, much to the chagrin of the testers, that it does actually have some benefit, the argument is WHY

    • Matt Staggs

      I know a guy who is getting rolfing treatment. Don’t know anything about it, although he says it is helping.

  • echar

    That’s one of the better looking venn diagrams that I have ever seen. I am skeptical of skeptics though, so I don’t really care what they think. Excellent find!

  • DeepCough

    So if a subject encompasses religion, quackery, pseudoscience, and the paranormal, does that make it
    “absolute bollocks?”

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      that was apparently reserved for Scientology

      • DeepCough

        SHHHHHH! You wanna get sued?!

  • http://2012diaries.blogspot.com/ tristan eldritch

    “The curiously revered world of irrational nonsense has seeped into
    almost every aspect of modern society and is both complex and
    multifarious.”

    Sounds like a John Birch Society pamphlet about the Red Peril.

  • http://www.facebook.com/jduey John Ducharme

    So the perfect mix of all 4 “bollocks” becomes something with the word “science” in it?

  • Cory Roesler

    Out of body experiences? I’m surprised there hasn’t been an uproar from the psychedelic drug users that, I’m certain, inhabit this realm of Disinformation. Out of body experiences are well documented and I’m not sure why this was included in a diagram of irrational “bollocks”.

  • http://www.facebook.com/Iankennedywilliams Ian Kennedy

    Dogmatic Materialism is the true religion! Richard Dawkins is God! Diagrams will show the way! direct experience is a bias and a false reality! This diagram is bullox.

    • echar

      BEWARE You shall know the true fury of scientism… Harsh words spoken down upon you from horses of large stature!

    • Bron

      You guys do know they are calling all of this bollocks because they have TESTED them and found NOTHING right? All of the tests, experiments, and evidence that scientists have collected leads to the fact that these things are simply untrue, invalid, false and produce no results. This has nothing to do with dogma. Science is not blind faith. Science is a test to see what works and what does not work on a reliable basis. Some weird phenomena here and there does not constitute “proof” and does not constitute results of any kind if they cannot be repeated and studied reliably. Sorry to bust your bubbles. You guys don’t even use your words properly!

      • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

        what if what you say is not true? What if scientist continually throw out evidence that doesn’t fit their worldview? What if results of scientifically conducted experiments are routinely ignored? you appear to have a huge blind spot.

        • Andrew

          Who doesn’t have a blind spot!?

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            I have a big bald spot…

        • Haystack

          How do you distinguish between studies that are thrown out because they don’t fit a given worldview, and studies that are thrown out because they are simply bad science?

          I *want* scientific validation of something supernatural, something that points at “something more,” so I don’t think I have a bias or a blind spot here, but I personally find that most of what passes for scientific exploration of these phenomena to be fairly underwhelming..

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            There are implications of quantum physics that many scientists simply don’t like and so retreat further and further back into Newtonian physics. Like non locality, the observer effect etc. Is that scientific?
            Rupert Sheldrake has documented lots and lots of really good scientifically conducted studies, that simply get rejected out of hand by materialists because the results don’t fit their world view.

          • Haystack

            Quantum physics is, itself, a scientific model that was bared out by the rigorous experimentation. Scientists aren’t retreating from QM;rather, it was they who originally proposed it. However, the same science that derived QM also dictates that it only operates at the sub-atomic level; it doesn’t have any implications for psi research, positive thinking or other macro-level phenomena. “Observer effect, therefore magic” strikes me as an example of trying to “have you cake while eating it, too;” that is, to accept science insofar as it seems to support one’s worldview, only to reject it where it does not. If you believe in magic, that’s all good, but if you support that belief based upon quantum physics, then you’re being logically inconsistent; trying to bang a square peg into a round hole, then you have round pegs available to you already.

            The objections to Sheldrake and others are based upon methodology, rather than the nature of their conclusions, which, I think most people would love to accept (who wouldn’t want to believe in telepathy, or remote viewing?). However, to those who have actually carried out experimental research and know what statistical noise looks like, psi research *really* looks like noise. Were these effects stronger, they might be applicable. That is, you might be able to win some lotteries, or otherwise apply psi in such a way that it simply not be pragmatic to deny it; but so far, its always been a weak effect, difficult to replicate, and of no value outside the laboratory. Why has there been no “smoking gun?”

          • jnana

            This is from a site called science-frontiers. And interesting piece of information, that can be refuted by skeptics, but interesting nonetheless:

            And The Machines Wept For Man

            Philosophers have always wondered if humans and life in general are really completely detached from the material world of non-life. Might there be unrecognized influences humans (and possibly other animals) exert knowingly or unknowingly upon inert matter? Many have been the experiments in which humans attempt to affect the swinging of a pendulum, the throws of dice, or the output of a random-number generator. The parapsychologists declare that, YES, humans can exert tiny but statistically significant influences on such devices.

            But other scientists and the man-in-the-street would really like to see a robust physical effect, not just a bunch of statistics. An ambitious endeavor called the Global Consciousness Project just might be able to produce a more satisfying mind-over-matter effect.

            This Project is conducted by a group of scientists who maintain a dispersed network of random-number generators (RNGs). A total of 38 RNG stations are presently “listening” for global perturbations in whatever medium carries the supposed human-to-matter influences.

            The analogy to global weather and seismological stations is appropriate here.

            On September 9, 2001, the Global Consciousness Project network of RNGs did indeed detect a sort of groaning in the consciousness of the planet’s human cargo. The dispersed RNGs produced strings of numbers that were rather far from random, as indicated on the accompanying graph. For three days the RNGs defied probability, with stark non-randomness obvious at 10:12 AM Eastern Daylight Time on September 11. One can hypothesize that collective humanity recoiled at the TV images of the World Trade Center catastrophe.

            Improbable outputs of a distributed network of RNGs around September 11, 2001.

            But there are skeptical interpretations. For example, the sharp rise in global communications and radar activity might have somehow perturbed the RNGs. (Bishop, Bill; “Is It Global Consciousness or Mere Coincidence?” Austin American Statesman, October 23, 2001. Cr. D. Phelps.)

            Comment. Recognizing Nature’s frequent symmetry, might not material entities (e.g., RNGs) influence humans in some subtle ways?

          • jnana

            I can’t figure out how to copy the graph but heres the site its on:

            http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf139/sf139p14.htm

            the sum data and more info. concerning the global consciousness project:

            http://noosphere.princeton.edu/

          • echar

            I wonder how difficult it is to get the financial support to do thorough studies on the praeternatural?

      • http://www.facebook.com/Iankennedywilliams Ian Kennedy

        no no, *I’m sorry* but I have tested some of them and found them to be very real although often misunderstood by many -especially dogmantic materialists and religious fundamentalists. So don’t you worry about bursting my bubbles I’m going to continue living in reality of direct expereince and not an abstract theory, thank you!

      • echar

        Where is the proof that they tested all of these?

      • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

        to be fair, they have tested them, and any positive results are dismissed as placebo.
        but say placebo on anything that is “approved” and you’re a nutter.

    • Haystack

      In my experience, accusing science of being dogmatic has become the go-to way for believers to banish critical thought; “Oh, that’s just scientists ignoring anything that lies outside their paradigm–let’s move on to where you can buy my book.” It’s a second cousin to “It works, but Big Whatever is holding it down.”

      Mind you, I’m not opposed to reasoned criticism of the materialist worldview, but what I too-often find in its place are believers mindlessly repeating these slogans to one another.

      • bobbiethejean

        Well said. An astute observation.

      • http://www.facebook.com/Iankennedywilliams Ian Kennedy

        Sure, but science is not a person, culture or worldview anymore than meditation or prayer. It’s the people around a thing that are dogmatic, loudmouth jerks. Plus I didn’t say “science was dogmatic”, so maybe this comment wasn’t targeted at me?

        • Haystack

          Not directed at you, no–and I agree with you about the loudmouth jerks. It has just become a pet peeve of mine that “scientists are dogmatic” has, in many circles, become a catch-all for any criticism and doubt that is raised.

          For the most part, I don’t think that scientists/materialists are dogmatic. If you make a reasoned judgement that knowledge should be accepted or rejected on the basis of some objective, verifiable standard of evidence, then you probably end up with a Venn diagram similar the one posted. If you place more weight on subjective experience, then your outcome is different.

          The word “dogma” tends to be used by believers as a way to deny that skeptics have a reasoned opinion that is worth addressing. Skeptics can be just as bad, and when I’m on their forums I get in trouble for making the similar arguments in defense of believers. *grin*

      • echar

        Do you have proof that they are mindless while repeating “these slogans”?

      • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

        Its complicated, there’s most definitely wrong on both sides. I think dogma’s cousin Partisanship might just be the bigger problem.

        • Haystack

          That’s just the thing. If I wanted to fight a partisan turf war, I’d tune into C-Span. When I download a paranormal podcast, I’m looking for a vacation from that kind of stuff, but more and more, the two mirror each other.

  • HCE

    Skepticism, new Inquisition.

  • BuzzCoastin

    Sid’s advice about this is good advice:

    “Do not give up your authority and follow blindly the will of others. This way will lead to only delusion.”
    “Find out for yourself what is truth, what is real. Discover that there are virtuous things and there are non-virtuous things. Once you have discovered for yourself give up the bad and embrace the good.”
    Sid Gautama aka: The Buddha

    • Andrew

      Yes, but how does one find out for oneself what is true and discover what is virtuous?

      • BuzzCoastin

        ask your local authority figure for help
        because if you have to ask that question
        then you’re a lost cause

        • Andrew

          I guess I’ll commit suicide then.

          • BuzzCoastin

            no need for that
            just follow the instructions of the authorities
            do what you’re told, stand in line, no talking out of turn
            and you’ll be just fine

      • jnana

        Seek and you will find, and when you find you will be troubled, and after you are troubled you will rest and rule over the All. Ask and it shall be given to you. The Holy Spirit comes to anyone who asks sincerely and is willing to abandon whatever is blocking Her. The Holy Spirit is a Woman who won’t accept a man not willing to fully devote one’s self to Her. If you commit yerself to Her she will undoubtedly come to you and you will grow by leaps and bounds in Wisdom.
        There is a New Covenant. God promised to put His law into our hearts and no man will have to teach another man about the law.

  • Cyprus Mulch

    it’s so rational and scientific to dismiss anything outside of your paradigm as “bollocks.” more “Skepticist” propaganda.

    Mencken defined Puritanism as, “The haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

    I define Skepticism as, “The gnawing paranoia that someone, somewhere may be experiencing something as yet unexplained by establishment science.”

  • hope

    so tired of chi/qi being lumped in with other psuedo-scientific trends….just because you can’t measure it with current scientific tools doesn’t mean that it isn’t ‘real’ or cannot be proven as ‘real’; you have thousands of years of asian tradition behind the concept, not to mention corresponding traditions in other cultures around the world. writing it off as nothing more than psuedo-scientific is just …fbeuiwohfeuio;wf

  • bobbiethejean

    Ya know…. at first I thought this was amusing, if not a little heavy handed. But now I’m starting to think it’s just completely…. not helpful. It’s more circle-jerkery for skeptics and disbelievers. If you want to change someone’s mind, if you want them to see why believing in homeopathy and voodoo is wrong, you don’t do it by mocking them or belittling them or marginalizing them. You show them. You plant the seed in their minds and hope against hope that the seed takes root, blossoming into a lovely tree of rationality and understanding. But stuff like this, amusing as it may be to a few skeptics here and there, probably not going to accomplish anything other than making some people say “YUP” and others say “NOPE.”

    And I KNOW someone is going to come along and say “this…. from you, Bobbie? Really?” Yeah, yeah. I know. I’m trying to not be a dick, ok? Cut me some slack. ;)

    • lazy_friend

      How dare you mess with voodoo? Time to bring the old doll out. But since all this is supposedly not true, what is true? Make a diagram of that. The only people that show me stuff are the ones with the hoodoo. At least hypnosis is not listed, I know a ton of people who are skeptical about hypnosis.

    • echar

      You did more than try. Right on!

      wise words: (which I sometimes forget to follow)

      You catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.

    • lazy_friend

      “The day science begins to study non-physical phenomena, it will make more progress in one decade than in all the previous centuries of its existence.”
      ― Nikola Tesla and I think he knew a thing or two about science. This is is my last post on this site and its fitting that it is to you, the most hard ass person when it comes to materialism. Frankly I don’t think you leave the house much and seem kinda bitter and possibly in need of attention, lately you have mellowed out tho. This shit is for the uninitiated who are sure they know everything only to fall on their face when they encounter some shit they can’t explain. Hardcore Skeptics are the lowest on the spiritual totem pole and this is a list of shit that does not work for them because they are not worthy, because frankly, most are assholes. I have found that I only disbelieve something if I have it seen it not work or it has been proven to be a flat out fraud which is charlatanism (an occult practice). Life is about creation, is not static, just because we know something one day, does not mean it will be the same thing the next, its constantly changing, something just imagined today might just pop into existence tomorrow. I came to this site because one of its book initiated me on a great occult journey and I felt I would find like minded here and pay me dues. There some, but the heard is thin. All I see is close minded know it alls most of the time and tons of depressing news. So you know what? I am going to go do something about these depressing news, instead of just writing here talking out of my ass like most fools. And I am going to show you something about the occult bobby (hopefully you are just a troll charlatan and not this close minded, because frankly its hella off putting). This is whats going to happen: In a few years you will start to dream every night about things that will happen the next day and these events are going to happen, this will make you trip and truly study, instead of just talking shit, as if you are a scientist and not an mediocre artist who could be great if she was not so arrogant. take care and remember “Disbelieve things only when you see them not working”. Its all so complex and attacking religion to prove materialism is such a rookie move. Obviously something is effecting them, while its not good, there is something there, it just not what it seems.

      • kowalityjesus

        I share your sentiment; this site can be such a attritive clash of egos. It is far too interesting to ignore, though.

        This is an article I ahve been trying to submit for at least a few months, but Matt is a bit scatterbrained. I do not hold it against him, though. This is probably what you are saying you would want to see on this site, I would guess. http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/30/world/asia/cultivating-vultures-to-restore-a-mumbai-ritual.html?_r=0

      • bobbiethejean

        Yeah about that Nikola Tesla quote: There is no conflict between the ideal of religion and the ideal of science, but science is opposed to theological dogmas because science is
        founded on fact. To me, the universe is simply a great machine which never came into being and never will end. The human being is no exception to the natural order. Man, like the universe, is a machine. Nothing enters our minds or determines our actions which is not directly or indirectly a response to stimuli beating upon our sense organs from without. Owing to the similarity of our construction and the sameness of our environment, we respond in like manner to similar stimuli, and from the concordance of our reactions, understanding is born. In the course of ages, mechanisms of infinite complexity are developed, but what we call “soul ” or “spirit,” is nothing more than the sum of the functionings of the body. When this functioning ceases, the “soul” or the “spirit” ceases likewise.

        Considering his view on things, I doubt he would have subscribed to any of the ideas in this diagram.

        the most hard ass person when it comes to materialism I am not a hard ass when it comes to materialism, I just demand proof, or evidence, or some good reason to believe and believers have utterly failed to produce any that meets my very high standards. That’s not my fault. I am not close-minded. I’m just hard to convince and that’s probably a good thing because it keeps me from being dicked over by snake oil salesmen and religious manipulators.

        possibly in need of attention No not really. At all. Quite the opposite actually.

        when they encounter some shit they can’t explain. If I encounter some shit I can’t explain, then guess what….. I encountered some shit I can’t explain. That’s nothing new in the history of humanity. Weather, volcanoes, changing of seasons, hale, tornadoes, albinism, fairy circles, tidal waves, still births, illness, heart attacks, headaches, dwarfism, lightning, red hair, dark skin, gravity…. these are all things that were once “unexplained” and people attributed supernatural causes to them until we came to know better. This trend has been going on for literally THOUSANDS of years and it hasn’t stopped. We’ve got the woo-woo backed down into a corner and its only defense is to say “well you can’t disprove me!” “You can’t disprove me,” is not proof, not evidence, and not a reason to believe.

        Hardcore Skeptics are the lowest on the spiritual totem pole and And how do you know that? Do you have a magical ruler that allows you to determine exactly how spiritual a person is? I was a devout, very spiritual Christian for more than half my life and guess what? In that time, no magic happened. I wasn’t visited by angels. I didn’t experience bouts of telekinesis. No ghosts or souls showed themselves to me. I did genuinely think I was being assailed by a demon once. But hey, guess what, it turned out that was just sleep paralysis.

        most are assholes Bigotry and stereotyping all in one sentence. Nice job.

        There some, but the heard is thin. In my experience, believers tend to be the vast majority around here. I actually have empirical evidence to back up my claim if you don’t believe me. ;)

        hopefully you are just a troll charlatan and not this close minded, because frankly its hella off putting A troll and a charlatan simply for not being a gullible wannabeliever who accepts anything that agrees with my preconceived notions regardless of how lacking in evidential, logical, or empirical support it may be? Note: Higher standards = troll and charlatan. I’ll keep that in mind.

        This is whats going to happen: In a few years you will start to dream every night about things that will happen the next day Yeah, sure, we’ll see.

        if you are a scientist and not an mediocre artist who could be great Wow. A mediocre artist hm? Ok. That’s your opinion……. only about 18,000 people disagree with you…. literally. But hey, you can think what you want. Oh, by the way, what’s your special talent? I’m just asking so I can pointlessly accuse you of being mediocre at it. Oh, you don’t have one? Hm. shocker.

        take care and remember “Disbelieve things only when you see them not working” I disbelieve in your brain. I believe you are actually a physical manifestation of idiocy trying to validate itself through argument on the internet. Unlike your BS claims, I actually have evidence to back mine up. *points to all your above stupidity*

        I hereby predict that this will not be your last comment on the site. If I’m right, I will declare myself psychic. Donations through Paypal, please.

      • Bron

        Oh shut the fuck up and get on with your useless bitter and miserable life. The occult is bullshit and full a shit just as you are. Bobbie is no hard nose, she is possibly the only sane person in the comment section besides myself. Showing things to be untrue is not being close minded, ya fool. It’s showing them to be untrue. Science itself has been infiltrated by a whole host of bizarre conundrums that were once ridiculed, but through years of rigorous testing, skepticism and verification that such ideas and theories WORKED RELIABLY new paradigms were created in science, such as quantum physics which is leaps and bounds above any strangeness attributed to the “occult”, and quantum physics is real, mind you. So I would seriously like to see Bobbie have these “dreams”. In fact I know she isn’t gonna have any sort of magically induced dreams, by some butthurt anon on the net. Good riddance.

    • jnana

      But why would you think you or anyone else should change someone’s mind? Do you have all the answer’s to life’s mysteries? There is a saying in Traditional Medicine I will paraphrase-Healer, heal yourself first.
      What is the purpose of seeking knowledge? Well, it expands consciousness and blesses one with wonder and other sublime feelings. But the ultimate purpose is to be healed and to heal, physically, mentally, psychically, and spiritually. Jesus says, “You shall know them by their fruits” The fruits of the materialist belief system are nihilism, despair, hedonism and debauchery, selfishness, greed, pride and haughtiness which leads to destruction of the Living Earth, a reliance on one’s own incomplete knowledge, and for an awareness of any other of its fruits, look around you. Have the materialists benefitted our minds and psyches? Have they really benefitted the physical lives of Earth’s inhabitants? Quite the contrary. For every advance in medicine or industry or ag, we are still plagued w/ sickness, poverty, and starvation. We are depressed, angry, lost, but we still have to thank science for the weak substitutions and palliatives it offers through chemical “highs”, distractions of technology.
      What are the fruits of honest spiritual inquiry and living? I’m not talking about organized religions and all that. I’m talking about essential spirituality perhaps best summed up in the greek phrase “Gnothi Seauton”. In my experience and from what I understand about the experiences of others pursuing spiritual knowledge and spiritual living, is that the fruits are well worth the efforts. For one, there are mysteries revealed to the mind that is made receptive to spiritual ideas, mysteries that give one a sense of awe and wonder and love for the Revealer. Then there are the psychological healings. As much as I am rooted in Christ, I have no fear, no worry, little sadness for my self but more sympathy for the suffering of others (although I also have Faith in the joy awaiting us all). There is healing of the body. How? Well, one pursuing the Spirit lives more healthily, working more, eating less, eating simpler, drinking less alcohol, doing less drugs, not needing these when one is intoxicated by Spirit. Following the Spirit implies devotion to the One and the others. Meaning one’s ideals are to treat their fellows with love and kindness, human, animal, and vegetable, even spirits, perhaps. Especially the Living Earth. When one’s treasure is not of the corruptible material realm, one isn’t dependent on crap for happiness, meaning less consumption of finite resources. Also, for those pursuing the Spirit, there a gifts granted, which are to be shared. These involve knowledge of plants, herbs and minerals for healing, prophecy which is saying the right words to someone to spark transformative healing, even miraculous healing. Other gifts are “supernatural” patience, fortitude and courage, joy, greater empathy, I could go on for a long time with this. These are all natural results of pursuing honest Spiritual Truth and Love, unabashedly and courageously. Because I will have to add, that one should expect persecution for this, be it by people here or spirits. In fact, anyone who has closed their minds to the Infinite Mysteries, is already persecuted, occluded by prejudice and ignorance, the intention of the Archons.

    • jimmy corn

      Good point even though the skeptics make their living on ad hominem attacks and personal insults and rely on ZERO FACTS AND NO EVIDENCE. I will make them look dumb by providing the facts and research. Segment 1 of quark busters. Vaccines quark busted! Anyone who supports vaccines given to babies are an enemy to humanity……..

      Disclaimer this is no where near a comprehensive list of studies showing the damage caused by vaccines. There are dozens and dozens of studies but this is sufficient to prove my case.

      The Vaccine Hoax is Over
      http://foodfreedomgroup.com/2012/09/29/the-vaccine-hoax-is-over-by-andrew-baker/

      Mitochondrial dysfunction, impaired oxidative-reduction activity,
      degeneration, and death in human neuronal and fetal cells induced by
      low-level exposure to thimerosal and other metal compounds
      http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/02772240802246458

      Administration of Thimerosal to Infant Rats
      Increases Overflow of Glutamate and Aspartate in the Prefrontal Cortex:
      Protective Role of Dehydroepiandrosterone Sulfate
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3264864/

      The plausibility of a role for mercury in the etiology of autism: a cellular perspective
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3173748/

      A Prospective Study of Oxidative Stress Biomarkers in Autistic Disorders
      ojs.lib.swin.edu.au/index.php/ejap/article/download/141/172

      A comprehensive review of mercury provoked autism.
      http://www.researchgate.net/publication/23688112_A_comprehensive_review_of_mercury_provoked_autism

      In vitro uptake of glutamate in GLAST- and GLT-1-transfected mutant
      CHO-K1 cells is inhibited by the ethylmercury-containing preservative
      thimerosal.
      https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16034155

      The Journal of Toxicology and Environmental Health, Part A: Current Issues, an authoritative journal featuring original toxicological research, has published, “A Case Series of Children with Apparent Mercury Toxic Encephalopathies Manifesting with Clinical Symptoms of Regressive Autistic Disorders,” by Geier and Geier (2007).

      CDC Covered-Up Data Showing Mercury-Containing Thimerosal in Vaccines Caused Autism
      http://www.smart-publications.com/blog/cdc-covered-up-data-showing-mercury-containing-thimerosal-in-vaccines-cause

      A newly published study in the Journal of the Neurological Sciences,1 the official journal of the World Federation of Neurology2, links mercury from the Thimerosal in vaccines with autism and other neurodevelopmental disorders.

      This study represents six years worth of effort by independent researchers to gain access to hidden US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) data in the Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD). In 2003, the Government Reform Committee of the US House of Representatives asserted, “(a)ccess by independent researchers to the Vaccine Safety Datalink database is needed for independent replication and validation of CDC studies regarding exposure of infants to mercury-containing vaccines and autism.”

      Scandal Exposed in Major Study of Autism and Mercury
      http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/scandal-exposed-in-major-study-of-autism-and-mercury-132519518.html

      • bobbiethejean

        skeptics make their living on ad hominem attacks Untrue generalization. Fail #1.

        ZERO FACTS AND NO EVIDENCE Patently false on its face. Fail #2.

        vaccines given to babies are an enemy to humanity Wrong and insane. Fail #3.

        http://www.derpderp.retard/2013/-learn-what-a-credible-source-is Not linking to credible sources. Fail #4

        1.) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9e1t_-r1H4

        2.) http://autismsciencefoundation.org/news/increasing-exposure-antibody-stimulating-proteins-and-polysaccharides-vaccines-not-associated-r

        3.) http://kidshealth.org/parent/medical/brain/autism_studies.html

        4.) http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/concerns/autism/

        5.) I don’t know if you actually read the oxidative stress biomarkers study but I did and guess what? it did NOT conclude that vaccines cause autism. SHOCKER!

        6.) You might actually do well to read this whole thing: http://www.webmd.com/brain/autism/searching-for-answers/vaccines-autism

        7.) http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/09/07/p.autism.vaccine.debate/index.html Since that time, 18 controlled epidemiological studies have investigated
        the possible connection between autism and vaccines, and “they have all
        come back showing the same thing,” says Alison Singer, founder and
        president of the Autism Science Foundation, and a mother of a
        13-year-old with autism. “There is no link between vaccines and autism.”

        And there we go. See, but here’s the problem. Even in the face of this evidence, you’re going to go on believing whatever it is that you want to believe because you have some bizarre emotional investment in the idea that science is out to get you. Me? The day I see a conclusive link between autism and vaccines, that is the day I will spin on a dime and change my mind. Incidentally, the guy who started this ridiculous vaccines = autism idea, Andrew Wakefield, had his license yanked for illegally drawing blood from children and falsifying data.

        • jimmy corn

          LOL are you serious? lol So say my sources are not credible but you source CNN and the CDC…..ROFL. LOL I CITED DIRECT LINKS TO ACTUAL PEER-REVIEWED SCIENTIFIC STUDIES IN PEER-REVIEWED JOURNALS! And you cite and give a quote from CNN. LOL CNN cites 18 studies did you look at any of them? No because they dont even give sources or links to any of the studies. ROFL So how do you know they are even real peer-reviewed studies?

          Can you cite even 1 INDEPENDENT PEER-REVIEWED STUDY THAT VACCINES THAT REFUTE ANY OF MY STUDIES THAT I POSTED? And when I say independent i mean a legitimate study that doesn’t have any conflicts of interest, unbiased, or outright fraud. which by the way IS RAMPANT in the medical industry!
          http://bcaction.org/2011/06/16/spinning-science-a-case-study-in-conflict-of-interest/
          https://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=an-epidemic-of-false-claims

          http://therefusers.com/refusers-newsroom/conflicts-of-interest-in-vaccine-safety-research-article-from-peer-reviewed-journal/#.UWU74MqwVDg
          “Much research is sponsored by vaccine manufacturers and public health
          bodies, who have financial and bureaucratic interests that could impede
          the objective study of vaccine safety. These companies and agencies
          adamantly deny a link between vaccines and autism, and argue that
          vaccines are one of the most important innovations in disease reduction
          in the 20th Century (CDC, 1999). They cite several studies that conclude
          a link between vaccines and neurological disorders cannot be
          established (Offit, 2008). Such research is often disseminated by
          medical journals that have financial reasons to promote the views of the
          research sponsors.”

          (Offit 2008) stands for Paul A. Offit M.D. Paul has several patents on vaccines namely the rotavirus vaccine. he’s a vaccine industry insider. Offit holds in a $1.5 million dollar research chair at Children’s Hospital, funded by Merck. He took
          home a fortune of at least $29 million as part of a $182 million sale by
          CHOP of its worldwide royalty interest in the Merck Rotateq vaccine to
          Royalty Pharma. Thats alot of vested interest wouldn’t you say? The extraordinary valuation placed on CHOP’s patents raises concerns over Offit’s use of his former position on the CDC’s Advisory Committee on Immunization Practices to help create the market for rotavirus vaccine — to effectively vote himself rich.
          http://www.drpauloffit.org/

          AND THE QUOTE FROM CNN COMES FROM Autism Science Foundation GUESS WHO FOUNDED THAT FOUNDATION…….WAIT FOR IT……
          Paul A. Offit is also a Founding Board Member of the Autism Science Foundation (ASF). ROFL LMFAO

          YES I STATE ZERO FACTS AND NO EVIDENCE! YOU STILL HAVE YET TO GIVE ME ANY EVIDENCE. The Autism Science Foundation is nothing more the the vaccine industry propaganda period. If you say different you have lost touch with reality. ASF was founded by a vaccine industry scientist.

          You cite the CDC as credible……really the same CDC that was caught by The Coalition for Mercury-free Drugs (CoMeD) who exposed communications
          between Centers for Disease Control (CDC) personnel and vaccine
          researchers revealing U.S. officials apparently colluded in covering-up
          the decline in Denmark’s autism rates following the removal of mercury from vaccines.
          http://healthimpactnews.com/2012/vaccine-autism-cover-up-exposed-by-fraud/
          http://mercury-freedrugs.org/docs/111025_PR10_ScandalExposedInMajorStudyOfAutismMercuryb.pdf

          Exposed: CDC deliberately manipulated, covered up scientific data showing link between vaccines containing mercury and autism
          http://www.naturalnews.com/034038_vaccines_autism.html

          And this CDC…..
          http://currenthealthscenario.blogspot.com/2012/04/cdc-conference-vaccine-autism-link.html

          “In June 2000, a top-secret meeting of health officials
          and government scientists occurred at the secluded Simpsonwood
          conference center in Norcross, Georgia. Although the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) convened the meeting, no public announcement was made of the gathering. Just 52 private invitations were issued. Participants
          included high-level officials from the CDC, FDA, top vaccine
          specialists from the World Health Organization, and representatives from
          every major vaccine manufacturer, including Merck, GlaxoSmithKline,
          Wyeth and Aventis Pasteur.”
          The federal health officials and industry representatives had assembled to discuss an alarming
          new study that confirmed a link between thimerosal (mercury) in
          childhood vaccines and neurological damage, including recent dramatic
          increases in autistic spectrum disorders. Tom Verstraeten, a CDC epidemiologist, had analyzed the agency’s massive Vaccine Safety Datalink (VSD) database (distinct from VAERS) containing thousands of medical records of vaccinated children and was “stunned” by what he saw: “We have found statistically significant relationships between
          exposure [to mercury in vaccines] and outcomes. At two months of age,
          developmental delay; exposure at three months, tics; at six months,
          attention deficit disorder. Exposure at one, three and six months,
          language and speech delays—the entire category of neurodevelopmental
          delays.” Verstraeten also discussed previous studies showing a link between mercury and neurodevelopmental disorders.

          Dr. Bill Weil, with the American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP), told the
          group, “You can play with this all you want,” but the results “are
          statistically significant.” Dr. Richard Johnston, an immunologist and
          pediatrician, exclaimed, “I do not want my grandson to get a
          thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what is going on.”
          Yet, instead of taking quick action to warn parents and recall the
          unsafe shots, this shameless group of 52 vaccine proponents spent the next two days calculating how to cover up the truth.

          “We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits,” said Dr. Robert Brent, a pediatrician. However, Dr. Robert Chen, head of vaccine safety for the CDC,
          congratulated his group for their apparent success thus far at
          concealing the facts, and expressed relief that “given the sensitivity
          of the information, we have been able to keep it out of the hands of,
          let’s say, less responsible hands.”Dr. John Clements, WHO vaccine advisor, was more blunt, declaring that perhaps the CDC study “should not have been done at all because the outcome could have, to some extent, been predicted.” He stated that “the research results have to be handled,” and warned that the study “will be taken by others and used in ways beyond the control of this group.”

          AND YES vaccines given to babies are an enemy to humanity! Insane really? what is the so-called “purpose” of vaccines? To protect them from diseases……well THATS A JOKE!

          New Study: Vaccinated Children Have 2 to 5 Times More Diseases and Disorders Than Unvaccinated Childrenhttp://healthimpactnews.com/2011/new-study-vaccinated-children-have-2-to-5-times-more-diseases-and-disorders-than-unvaccinated-children/

          What about the flu vaccine that works right? WRONG!

          CDC admits to flu vaccine’s ineffectiveness as huge influx of flu victims fills hospitals across the country
          http://www.naturalnews.com/038826_flu_vaccine_victims_hospitals.html

          University study: Flu vaccine effectiveness claims are wildly exaggerated
          http://www.naturalnews.com/037620_flu_vaccines_effectiveness_exaggerations.html

          Well what about all the epidemic infectious diseases in the 20th century that vaccines put a stop too? WELL THEY DIDN’T

          Real history: Vaccines not responsible for halting infectious diseases of 20th century
          http://www.healthsentinel.com/joomla/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2654:united-states-disease-death-rates&catid=55:united-states-deaths-from-diseases&Itemid=55

          NUFF SAID

          • bobbiethejean

            You are not capable of grasping simple concepts like “context” so I’m not going to bother anymore. Complete waste of time.

          • jimmy corn

            lol “context”. How dont I grasp it? And what context are you talking about? I am pretty sure you tried to make an argument that I didn’t have credible sources which is funny because you then went on to give CNN & CDC & autism science foundation as “credible” sources. lol So what context did I not “grasp”?

          • bobbiethejean

            Leave me alone. You are not smart enough to be having this conversation. Go back to your underground bunker where it’s safe from all the scary conspiracies trying to get you.

      • bobbiethejean
  • Richard Frith

    “In this book it is spoken of the Sephiroth and the Paths; of
    Spirits and Conjurations; of Gods, Spheres, Planes, and many other
    things which may or may not exist. It is immaterial whether these exist
    or not. By doing certain things certain results will follow; students
    are most earnestly warned against attributing objective reality or
    philosophic validity to any of them.”

    Aleister Crowley, Magick in Theory and Practice

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  • Daenerys_Targaryen

    What is bigfoot doing on there? Not that I believe in bigfoot per se but bigfoot would only be another wild animal like when they discovered gorillas. Bigfoot does seem out of place up there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1851341686 Zampano Poniatovii

    I lol’d IRL to see Scientology at the intersection of all sets. Thank you Matt Staggs, this was epic funny.

  • James Phillip Schmitt

    “It wasn’t me who plugged up the toilet! I don’t shit!”-former roommate.

  • http://twitter.com/RupertsDecision Trippyfude✌

    Post’s like this truly anger me, I’m starting to realise they hit a nerve.

  • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

    I don’t “believe in” QI. I experience it. Its all around me, and flowing through my body. What happens is Westerners live too much in their heads and don’t notice the energy around them. This is so silly having that on there. You do some tai chi or qi gong and you feel great. Your body feels awesome, literally buzzing with energy. But yet there is no room for it in certain people’s abstract mental framework so its rejected out of hand.

    Its like a person not only being blind but arrogant about their blindness saying “only fucktards believe in light. Prove it!”
    That my friends is it in a nutshell.

    • echar

      Perhaps some are incapable of trusting their own experience?

  • jnana

    I think the diagram itself is irrational. If science is based on observations, then how can someone’s experiences be denied so totally to disregard any further examination. I have had out of body experiences, I have experienced the sensation of chakras, I have been healed of pain, through personal intention/reiki. Interestingly, the same effects can be brought to occur through ingesting chemicals to alter brain chemistry and applying the mind in an intentional manner. People have experienced OOBEs through the use of dissociative drugs and through intention unaided by drugs. How does this occur? I am open to interpretations, occult or science. For example, during an OOBE I often perceive w/ my immobile physical body that is laying down and a second body that seems to exist in a world w/ different laws. It is strange to be able to perceive both at once. I also think there were other bodies I could perceive through, a 3rd or 4th or more, but that perception was a bit muddled. But the perception of my coarse physical body and another subtler, semi-immaterial body was very clear.
    Why should I just totally disregard these experiences and only wholly accept experiences that correspond w/ the current scientific paradigm, (which I may not even have experienced myself) and just take the word of somebody else for truth, perhaps b/c they have credentials and clout. Is it for fear of being regarded as a “crank” and “woo-woo”? I don’t understand why I should deny my experiences and not critically examine all of them. What else can I know but my immediate experience, even if these experiences are caused by atoms bouncing around, chemicals activating and inhibiting electrical impulses, or cosmic rays from Outer Space. If someone sees auras and these auras actually correspond w/ mental states, (for example if someone is mad you see an intense red aura,) why should they deny these perceptions, but not deny the perceptions of seeing any other sight, or hearing a sound, or what ever? Why should an individual discount their own perceptions because others who don’t perceive discount them? And those who discount someone’s unexplained(by current science paradigm) experiences do so with venom and prejudice, as if they are jealous and don’t want anyone else to have fun with these mysteries. It’s ridiculous and uncalled for. I try not to denounce anyone else’s experiences and conclusions based on their personal experience. I do like to explore the possibilities with them, and if I can add theories and hypotheses based on my experience, I do that in a manner that isn’t trying to force ideas and a manner that isn’t condescending as if I have all the answers to the mysteries.

    • echar

      Thank you. This has given me much to think about.

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  • http://twitter.com/The_K_o_M PORN $PICE

    I think the only problem with “believing” or “not believing” something is when you want others to believe what you believe. The govt. wants you to believe drugs will ruin your life… and will ruin your life if you disagree with them—just one example

  • jimmy corn

    Segment 2 of Quack busters! Reincarnation

    http://reluctant-messenger.com/reincarnation-proof.htm
    “Probably the best known, if not most respected, collection of scientific
    data that appears to provide scientific proof that reincarnation is
    real, is the life’s work of Dr. Ian Stevenson.

    Dr. Stevenson has devoted the last forty years to the scientific
    documentation of past life memories of children from all over the world.
    He has over 3000 cases in his files.”

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sT0B4V_kowo
    REINCARNATION, Past Life Evidence
    AMAZING this kid remembered his past life of being a WWII fighter pilot. He remembered the members of his squadron and gave accurate descriptions of the members and the ones still alive verified this!

    https://www.scimednet.org/evidence-of-reincarnation
    “The fact remains that a few such cases do seem to offer evidence for the transfer of information independently of a brain.”

    Scientific peer-reviewed articles
    http://near-death.com/experiences/reincarnation01.html
    “Birthmarks and Birth Defects Corresponding to Wounds on Deceased
    Persons”
    http://archived.parapsych.org/newsletters/Ian-Stevenson-Bibliography.html

    http://www.medicine.virginia.edu/clinical/departments/psychiatry/sections/cspp/dops/publications-page

    http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_02_2_stevenson.pdf

    “Three New Cases of the Reincarnation Type in Sri Lanka With Written Records Made Before Verifications”
    http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_03_2_mills.pdf

    “A Replication Study: Three Cases of Children in Northern India Who Are Said to Remember a Previous Life”
    http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_14_4_stevenson.pdf

    “Unusual Play in Young Children Who Claim to Remember Previous Lives”
    http://www.scientificexploration.org/journal/jse_17_2_stevenson.pdf

    The Similarity of Features of Reincarnation Type Cases Over Many Years: A Third Study

    “Reading the data over the last ten years, Its irrational to disbelieve that some people do reincarnate”
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZhMDU9GcVg

  • jimmy corn

    lol