The Truth About Voting?

By on March 12, 2013 in News 33

Fascinating philosophical discourse via Stefan Molyneux of Freedomain Radio

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  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    I’m sure there are plenty of reasons a person could come up with for not voting.

    And I’m sure some of them are very good.

    For myself, I find that it would be hard to justify violent resistance to government tyranny if I couldn’t be bothered to at least get off my ass and go vote before it got to that point.

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    I’m sure there are plenty of reasons a person could come up with for not voting.

    And I’m sure some of them are very good.

    For myself, I find that it would be hard to justify violent resistance to government tyranny if I couldn’t be bothered to at least get off my ass and go vote before it got to that point.

    • Eric_D_Read

      I just figure when the people I’m mostly voting against get to pre-select the two options you have to pick from, you’re looking at “mate in two” before the primaries are even finished. So why bother?
      If private campaign funding was eliminated and strictly enforced laws regarding outside lobbying were implemented, it would be worth a shot; but that’s never going to happen peacefully.

    • Eric_D_Read

      I just figure when the people I’m mostly voting against get to pre-select the two options you have to pick from, you’re looking at “mate in two” before the primaries are even finished. So why bother?
      If private campaign funding was eliminated and strictly enforced laws regarding outside lobbying were implemented, it would be worth a shot; but that’s never going to happen peacefully.

  • Andrew

    Money is a game. Pride goeth before a fall. Freedom is a myth.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rafael.dovale.58 Rafael Dovale

    Right. Try moving to Cuba where your vote doesn´t even exist and they don´t even dangle what they´ve teken from you to decide which you´rather have back. It´s our way or the highway, meaning imprisonment, ostracism, or even death.

  • http://www.facebook.com/rafael.dovale.58 Rafael Dovale

    Right. Try moving to Cuba where your vote doesn´t even exist and they don´t even dangle what they´ve teken from you to decide which you´rather have back. It´s our way or the highway, meaning imprisonment, ostracism, or even death.

    • BuzzCoastin

      so a fake democracy run by monied interests
      is better than
      a really fake democracy run by monied interests
      it’s hard to tell the diff, except more Americans have more bling-bling

      what separates Cubans from Homelanders?
      Homelanders think they’re free & Cubans don’t

      • Eric_D_Read

        Doh! I was gonna guess the answer was: that the average Cuban is more knowledgeable about the world around them, and they’re probably a lot thinner.

      • Eric_D_Read

        Doh! I was gonna guess the answer was: that the average Cuban is more knowledgeable about the world around them, and they’re probably a lot thinner.

        • BuzzCoastin

          true dat
          and I’m not disen the Cubans and their struggle for freedom
          that was what Fidel was supposed to be doing
          but he was rich kid with strange ideas & delusions of power
          not unlike Bush and most of the major politicos of Merka
          and the Cuban revolution merely shift powered between elites
          just like in Merka, only with more repression for ALL
          and not just the minorities

        • BuzzCoastin

          true dat
          and I’m not disen the Cubans and their struggle for freedom
          that was what Fidel was supposed to be doing
          but he was rich kid with strange ideas & delusions of power
          not unlike Bush and most of the major politicos of Merka
          and the Cuban revolution merely shift powered between elites
          just like in Merka, only with more repression for ALL
          and not just the minorities

  • BuzzCoastin

    in America
    all eligible citizens have the right to vote for one of two approved candidates selected by The Party
    there are other candidates, but that’s just for show
    in China
    all eligible citizens have the right to vote for one of two approved candidates selected by The Party
    there are no other candidates, but that’s just for show

    one is called free, one is call a dictatorship
    because in one country, there are more eligible people voting for The Party’s candidates
    it reminds me of the old Zhuangzi (Chung Tzu) story of the Monkey’s & 3 in the morning

    • MoralDrift

      hey man two parties= double the democracy wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    • MoralDrift

      hey man two parties= double the democracy wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

      • BuzzCoastin

        Chuang Tzu Story – Three in the Morning

        What is this three in the morning?
        It is about a monkey trainer
        Who went to his monkeys and told them:
        “As regards your chestnuts,
        you are going to have three measures in the morning,
        and four in the afternoon.”

        On hearing this all the monkeys became angry.
        So the keeper said:
        “All right then,
        I will change it
        To four measures in the morning
        and three in the afternoon.”
        The animals were satisfied with this arrangement.

      • BuzzCoastin

        Chuang Tzu Story – Three in the Morning

        What is this three in the morning?
        It is about a monkey trainer
        Who went to his monkeys and told them:
        “As regards your chestnuts,
        you are going to have three measures in the morning,
        and four in the afternoon.”

        On hearing this all the monkeys became angry.
        So the keeper said:
        “All right then,
        I will change it
        To four measures in the morning
        and three in the afternoon.”
        The animals were satisfied with this arrangement.

        • MoralDrift

          never heard it before, but apt

  • http://twitter.com/911survive SurvivalistsPrepping

    Where the Hope dude?

  • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

    Stefan Molyneux has made some great content in the past.

    This video seems to me to be about him having to “make a living” getting paid for new content.

    In my book, he shouldn’t have to worry about making a living or not depending on whether he constantly puts out new content.

    I think I’ll vote Molyneux for Congress!! So he can have more economic freedom due to the higher paycheck than he gets for making YouTube content and website subscriber content…!

    (W-w-w-wait a minute….)

    * * *

    If he’s not right about everything, then on that account he’s no greater sinner than any one I’ve ever known.

    “Walk away” is some of the best advice anyone can give or receive when the game is rigged, and that’s what he is saying here, for the eleventy-billionth time.

    • kowalityjesus

      I believe it, and it is a shame that he has to do this theatrics a la Jones for profit. But I wouldn’t be surprised if he is in somebody’s pocket or trying to grow a large enough audience to be.

      Anyone notice that he has a hard time coming up with an accent? He looks prototypically French-Canadian but I heard predominantly canadian-midwestern with australian, english, even a moment of boston. What’s up with that? I wonder if he was the child of a transient.

  • kowalityjesus

    The way I see it. This is a heap of whining. Of course voting matters on a local level, on a state level much fucking less, on a national level virtually none.

    It never ceases to amaze me that people can continuously talk about what a joke it is to vote, and how everybody is beholden to the same monied interests. And when a candidate conspicuously qualified enough to at least expose the contrived charade gets ostracized by everyone who does not explicitly share his views, [cough, Ron Paul], you lose all right to not be called whiners when you complain about how the system is rigged. I will never let you guys off about that.

    • mannyfurious

      Yeah, I agree. One of the most mystifying aspect of politics the last few cycles for me was the “liberal” response to Ron Paul. I get that a lot of his economic theories were nutso, but just about everything else he spoke of (i.e. most things) were spot on. The dude should’ve got points just for having the balls to speak out on some the shit he did. When it came to foreign policy, national defense and civil liberties, he was the most progressive candidate by a wide margin.

      • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

        When it comes right down to it, Liberals love the STATE.

        • mannyfurious

          Right? What do you think that’s about? Are they just ignorant of the other options? They sort of feel like it’s either the State, which has been co-opted by corporations and the oligarchy, or just straight up corporate-oligarch rule. As if there’s a meaningful difference.

        • mannyfurious

          Right? What do you think that’s about? Are they just ignorant of the other options? They sort of feel like it’s either the State, which has been co-opted by corporations and the oligarchy, or just straight up corporate-oligarch rule. As if there’s a meaningful difference.

          • kowalityjesus

            I think everyone should be confined to the internet for a full year. Mandatory sabbatical, all ages. That’s what woke me up.

          • https://sites.google.com/site/themattprather Matt Prather

            Nice.

            And then for someone who has perhaps been on the internet too often for too long, maybe give them a sabbatical (1 month – 1 year) away from the internet, to make them start dealing in real life with real people.

          • kowalityjesus

            yeah, real, live people are often satisfying in a manner which remains elusive on the internet. However, high-quality people have a propensity to be in higher concentrations on the internet though. You’re right though, gotta keep it real.

        • Eric_D_Read

          If there’s one thing Team Red and Team Blue can agree on, it’s that a totalitarian police state is awesome so long as it’s YOUR totalitarian police state.

  • Sanddog42

    Wow. I watched that whole thing waiting for the punchline that never came.

  • Sanddog42

    Wow. I watched that whole thing waiting for the punchline that never came.

  • Sanddog42

    Wow. I watched that whole thing waiting for the punchline that never came.