Twitter Troll’s “Oh Sh*t moment” When Boxer He Taunted Shows Up At His Home

My jiu-jitsu instructor often offers this sterling piece of advice: “Leave people alone.” In other words, don’t go looking for trouble. Were I to add anything to this simple maxim, it would be this: “Leave people who can beat the living hell out of you alone, especially.”

Twitter user Jimmyob88, who goes by the name “The Master”,  may have come to the same realization recently after taunting retired footballer and light-welterweight boxer Curtis Woodhouse.  After receiving several insulting Tweets from “The Master”, Woodhouse offered £1,000 to any follower who could provide him with his tormentor’s address.

After receiving the information, Woodhouse paid “The Master” a visit.

From Ireland’s The Independent:

The user jimmyob88 continued to mock the athlete: “what u going to do knock me out like your last opponent ooops”

However when Curtis tweeted the name and address of the user, he suddenly backed down: “chill out pal i was only doing it so you would bite back it was only a bit of harmless fun”

The boxer later tweeted: “just on my way to sheffield to have a little chat with a old friend, get the kettle on @jimmyob88”

A worried jimmyob88 tweeted: “i was only joking about Didnt think you would be bothered thought you would take them as a joke”

“i am sorry its getting abit out of hand i am in the wrong i accept that” he said in another message.

However Curtis was undeterred, and posted a picture of himself at the address to prove he was there, calling out the “keyboard warrior”.

After an hour it appeared as though Curtis had given up, as he tweeted: “[@jimmyob88] never came out to play so im going back home! maybe a bit daft what i did today but sometimes enough is enough”

What do you think, Disinfonauts? Did this qualify as a “win” for the troll, or an abject humiliation? Having been bothered a few times online myself, I can certainly understand Woodhouse’s motivations, although I’d never take things that far.

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223 Responses to Twitter Troll’s “Oh Sh*t moment” When Boxer He Taunted Shows Up At His Home

  1. Charlie Primero March 12, 2013 at 10:34 am #

    I never say anything to a man online I would not say to his face on the sidewalk. It’s a good policy.

    • Ted Heistman March 12, 2013 at 11:58 am #

      You would tell Joe Rogan to his face he had a fake BJJ belt? Or were you just kidding?

      • lazy_friend March 12, 2013 at 8:21 pm #

        I would. even tho I like the rogan. Is he going to beat me up to prove his rank? He better kill me if he does that, or run and hide very well after, very very well. I would say anything to your face too ted. You are not a scary beast. Not that I have anything against you. Its time to let the hyper male fantasy go, or at least take it out of reality and write a fiction novel with it.

        • obsidianobelisk March 23, 2013 at 3:50 pm #

          Check this internet tough guy out.

      • Guest March 18, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

        You suck too.

        • Guest March 18, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

          Really … just kidding!

    • Guest March 18, 2013 at 2:17 pm #

      You suck.

    • Guest March 18, 2013 at 2:17 pm #

      You suck.

      • Guest March 18, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

        Just kidding :)

      • Guest March 18, 2013 at 2:18 pm #

        Just kidding :)

  2. feint_ruled March 12, 2013 at 10:42 am #

    The article does raise a chuckle, but surely your jiujitsu instructors advice applies to the boxer as much as the tweeter. Visions of @jimmyob88 waiting for him with a carving knife!

  3. feint_ruled March 12, 2013 at 10:42 am #

    The article does raise a chuckle, but surely your jiujitsu instructors advice applies to the boxer as much as the tweeter. Visions of @jimmyob88 waiting for him with a carving knife!

    • Matt Staggs March 12, 2013 at 10:46 am #

      Oh, certainly so. I would have blocked “The Master” within seconds. Still, a funny story.

  4. Zenc March 12, 2013 at 10:56 am #

    Should have kicked the door in and stomped a mudhole in the guy’s ass.

    Not like he’d have some kind of gun in there to defend himself with.

    • lazy_friend March 12, 2013 at 7:43 pm #

      knives are everywhere in a house with a kitchen.

      • Tuna Ghost March 21, 2013 at 4:57 pm #

        well, I mean, they’re probably mainly in the kitchen. Not really everywhere.

  5. emperorreagan March 12, 2013 at 11:01 am #

    I am all for that. I haven’t done it through Twitter, but I have shown up at places where people thought they could be dicks in email. People are much less likely to be dicks or issue absolute statements when they’re forced into interacting with you directly.

    I think civility is on the decline in no small part to so much social interaction being mediated through electronic means.

    • emperorreagan March 12, 2013 at 10:09 pm #

      And on reading the actual article: I’d never be for advertising I was going someplace and implying violence.

      Catching someone off guard and forcing them to have a (polite and respectful) conversation versus communicating electronically (in particular after an initial rude or negative response) has often worked for me, primarily dealing with academics, management, or bureaucrats.

      If one really wanted to make an implied threat, catching someone off guard in a vulnerable position (e.g. on their way to their car in an empty parking lot), and a polite hello is more than enough. Threats should never be open or recorded.

      And if one were actually committed to violence as a means to an end, there should never be a threat at all.

    • emperorreagan March 12, 2013 at 10:09 pm #

      And on reading the actual article: I’d never be for advertising I was going someplace and implying violence.

      Catching someone off guard and forcing them to have a (polite and respectful) conversation versus communicating electronically (in particular after an initial rude or negative response) has often worked for me, primarily dealing with academics, management, or bureaucrats.

      If one really wanted to make an implied threat, catching someone off guard in a vulnerable position (e.g. on their way to their car in an empty parking lot), and a polite hello is more than enough. Threats should never be open or recorded.

      And if one were actually committed to violence as a means to an end, there should never be a threat at all.

      • emperorreagan March 13, 2013 at 11:04 am #

        And to continue to diverge further from the story to my own line of thought: the role distance plays in social interactions, in particular in the scenario where you want to catch someone off guard. You want something and the person from whom you want it is not a close social relation.

        1. Standing 4-5+ feet away from someone is non-threatening. Some distance needs to be closed before an attack can occur. It’s also non-threatening if you stay on the other side of a threshold in my opinion – standing just outside an office door or standing on a porch while they talk to you through a doorway. It’s a good idea to maintain that sort of distance – you want them off guard, not on the defensive.

        2. The next step in closing from that range puts you at a point where you can throw a kick without closing distance. It’s a more threatening distance, but people may or not be aware of it. You may or may not put someone on the defensive at this range, depending on their awareness of spacing.

        3. The next step puts you in punching range. That’s a threatening range and you’re very likely to put someone on the defensive. If your goal is to have a productive conversation to some end, then you’re likely to fail.

        An implied threat occurs at range 2 or 3, when someone is in a vulnerable spot, like the aforementioned car scenario. The distance is an important part – saying hey to someone from 15 feet away, or on the other side of a car implies nothing. It’s got to be a “BOO! You’re not safe! You could be in trouble right now!” But nothing happens, of course, because it’s only implied that something could.

        If you’re attacking someone (assuming physically), you want to close to range 3, preferably without them noticing for as long as possible. The attack should carry no verbal threat or other displays – that is, it should be swift and unannounced.

  6. mannyfurious March 12, 2013 at 11:19 am #

    It’s funny. And it’s always sort of satisfying to see a coward get his comeuppance. That being said, everybody in this story kind of loses. Dude is a professional boxer, thereby proving he can crush 99.9 percent of the world’s population without much effort, and his ego is still so fragile that he had to torment an internet troll.

    • rtb61 March 12, 2013 at 11:31 am #

      So you like the idea of the school yard bully beating up his intellectual rivals, just because they can’t compete in a non-violent manner, taking those principles into adult hood.
      Taunting should have set up the camera and taken his lumps and then dished out the modern repayment, criminal penalties followed up by bankrupting civil penalties.
      Um, published threats of physical assault are a criminal offence and proof provided.

      • mannyfurious March 12, 2013 at 11:39 am #

        I don’t approve of anything like that, and I don’t see where I suggested as much you fucking moron. The difference between the two situations is that this boxer wasn’t forced to interact with “the bully” on a daily basis. He isn’t forced to sit in the same building, in the same room with the person who is harassing him. If you seriously get pissed off at someone talking shit over the internet, you have serious emotional issues. ESPECIALLY if your profession, in and of itself, proves you are better than that person at hurting people. Why is it so difficult for people like you to accept some people are cowards and aren’t worthy of your or anyone else’s time?

        • rtb61 March 14, 2013 at 5:51 am #

          I don’t approve of anything like that, and I don’t see where I suggested as much you fucking moron.

    • echar March 12, 2013 at 12:48 pm #

      Maybe he was the bully on the playground while growing up and couldn’t take getting needled by the perceived nerdy kid online.

    • echar March 12, 2013 at 12:48 pm #

      Maybe he was the bully on the playground while growing up and couldn’t take getting needled by the perceived nerdy kid online.

  7. Ted Heistman March 12, 2013 at 11:33 am #

    I got bullied in school until I decided to fight.

    I try to be respectful of everybody. I don’t put up with a lot of shit in real life, though. I think its pretty weak for guys to call each other names and gossip like little school girls. Sometimes workplaces are like extensions of high school. So, I admit I’ve called people out. I ask them if they want to go out and fight, and if not “shut the fuck up”

    In the Army, pretty much everyone I asked this would go outside and then we would fight. No matter who won, afterwards we would be friends. Construction jobs are kind of similar but slightly less accepted. I thought maybe doing it in an office job would Land me in trouble, but I found out that that is not true. Just the people talking shit are just more out of shape and wimpier. Plus they don’t want to fight at all. I pushed one guy down in the parking lot that presented himself as a “hard gangster” and he actually shit himself I think. My boss just said at a meeting later. “Just so you know, don’t fuck with Ted. He is bi-polar and will probably put an ax in your head”

    I think a little bit of bullying comes with being a new guy in any group of men. It usually the lower ranking guys that feel insecure and want to have one up on you so as too feel superior. Sometimes you have to fight. I think it natural. I think historically it was way more common to solve differences with fisticuffs. I think constantly eating this impulse just ends in worse violence later with guns.

    Online its all screwed up. People can just be anonymous and be totally disrespectful with no consequences. I think inside they are cowards.

  8. Ted Heistman March 12, 2013 at 11:33 am #

    I got bullied in school until I decided to fight.

    I try to be respectful of everybody. I don’t put up with a lot of shit in real life, though. I think its pretty weak for guys to call each other names and gossip like little school girls. Sometimes workplaces are like extensions of high school. So, I admit I’ve called people out. I ask them if they want to go out and fight, and if not “shut the fuck up”

    In the Army, pretty much everyone I asked this would go outside and then we would fight. No matter who won, afterwards we would be friends. Construction jobs are kind of similar but slightly less accepted. I thought maybe doing it in an office job would Land me in trouble, but I found out that that is not true. Just the people talking shit are just more out of shape and wimpier. Plus they don’t want to fight at all. I pushed one guy down in the parking lot that presented himself as a “hard gangster” and he actually shit himself I think. My boss just said at a meeting later. “Just so you know, don’t fuck with Ted. He is bi-polar and will probably put an ax in your head”

    I think a little bit of bullying comes with being a new guy in any group of men. It usually the lower ranking guys that feel insecure and want to have one up on you so as too feel superior. Sometimes you have to fight. I think it natural. I think historically it was way more common to solve differences with fisticuffs. I think constantly eating this impulse just ends in worse violence later with guns.

    Online its all screwed up. People can just be anonymous and be totally disrespectful with no consequences. I think inside they are cowards.

    • echar March 12, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

      Some dudes tend to think they need to show how studly they are online. It’s called the e-peen. It’s completely unnecessary here.

    • Calypso_1 March 12, 2013 at 3:01 pm #

      Maybe you should just eat fruits.

    • Calypso_1 March 12, 2013 at 3:01 pm #

      Maybe you should just eat fruits.

    • Calypso_1 March 12, 2013 at 3:01 pm #

      Maybe you should just eat fruits.

    • Ray Butlers March 12, 2013 at 7:01 pm #

      “Online its all screwed up. People can just be anonymous and be totally
      disrespectful with no consequences. I think inside they are cowards.”

      Like this:

      Ted Heistman posted a comment in Joe Rogan University · 2 days ago

      uh, any site that scrutinizes Pam Anderson’s views on science is for Virgins with ass burgers

      Ted Heistman posted a comment in Joe Rogan University · 2 days ago

      “skeptical analysis of pop phenomena” = Things to do if you have never been laid and have no sense of humor.

      Ted Heistman posted a comment in Joe Rogan University · 2 days ago

      If you think those things are cool then why are you such a whiny bitch?

    • Dingbert March 12, 2013 at 7:21 pm #

      “Just so you know, don’t fuck with Ted. He is bi-polar and will probably put an ax in your head”

      Remember that this works both ways, and that few people get the “I’m mentally unstable and prone to violence” warning beforehand. Also, I would definitely consult HR and perhaps a lawyer if my boss called me murderous, announced private medical info in a meeting, and allows fighting on the property . . .

    • lazy_friend March 12, 2013 at 7:51 pm #

      Dude you are better than this. This kind of attitude will get you stabbed or shot. The only rule in a street fight is that there are no rules. Just walk away from a bully. Unless you kill someone you beat up, they are going to keep coming back. Just because you are bi polar does not mean you are a good warrior. The best fighters are the ones who are deliberate and keep their kool under pressure. Take it easy, it’s not worth it. Use your mind. Violence is only acceptable in a self defense situation. Not in trying to defend your ego or whatever. Just walk away from annoying people, they are trying to get a rise out of you, and if you lose your temper, they win. There is no way I’ll scoop to fistacuffs over a mental battle. If someone comes to attack me, they better come with deadly force because any violation of my physical boundaries will be defended with deadly force. For such a smart guy, into magick, you sure have some primitive memes going on in that bald head of yours (in your defense, no one is perfect). My friend got stabbed in the ear fighting over a girl at a club, some fugly girl. SOOO stupid. If anything, a violent threat is the biggest bluff and a last resort before things escalate. With me, its always a duel to the death unless I have a chance to show mercy. I leave violence/sport in the arenas, not in society, unless its for self defense in an imminent life or death situation. Fist fighting can still be deadly and if you get knocked out by a blow on the button, someone can just stomp on your face till you expire. Also, most bullies do not fight alone. If you punched me at work over mocking, I would just cut your break lines or something more insidious. Thinking you can correct every man that is messing with you with a fist fight is delusional. I once was bullied by a black belt who was supposed to be my friend, I def could not beat him up, so I started hitting on his girlfriend and said that if he laid a finger on me, that I was going to sue his ass for all he had, the guys sees me a yellow dart frog these days, keeping far far away, because he knows I am smarter ( and because I carry a sharp boot knife). The chick likes me till this day.

    • lazy_friend March 12, 2013 at 7:51 pm #

      Dude you are better than this. This kind of attitude will get you stabbed or shot. The only rule in a street fight is that there are no rules. Just walk away from a bully. Unless you kill someone you beat up, they are going to keep coming back. Just because you are bi polar does not mean you are a good warrior. The best fighters are the ones who are deliberate and keep their kool under pressure. Take it easy, it’s not worth it. Use your mind. Violence is only acceptable in a self defense situation. Not in trying to defend your ego or whatever. Just walk away from annoying people, they are trying to get a rise out of you, and if you lose your temper, they win. There is no way I’ll scoop to fistacuffs over a mental battle. If someone comes to attack me, they better come with deadly force because any violation of my physical boundaries will be defended with deadly force. For such a smart guy, into magick, you sure have some primitive memes going on in that bald head of yours (in your defense, no one is perfect). My friend got stabbed in the ear fighting over a girl at a club, some fugly girl. SOOO stupid. If anything, a violent threat is the biggest bluff and a last resort before things escalate. With me, its always a duel to the death unless I have a chance to show mercy. I leave violence/sport in the arenas, not in society, unless its for self defense in an imminent life or death situation. Fist fighting can still be deadly and if you get knocked out by a blow on the button, someone can just stomp on your face till you expire. Also, most bullies do not fight alone. If you punched me at work over mocking, I would just cut your break lines or something more insidious. Thinking you can correct every man that is messing with you with a fist fight is delusional. I once was bullied by a black belt who was supposed to be my friend, I def could not beat him up, so I started hitting on his girlfriend and said that if he laid a finger on me, that I was going to sue his ass for all he had, the guys sees me a yellow dart frog these days, keeping far far away, because he knows I am smarter ( and because I carry a sharp boot knife). The chick likes me till this day.

      • Calypso_1 March 12, 2013 at 8:04 pm #

        That and the distance between ‘calling people out’ and assault & battery charges can close on you real quick.

        • lazy_friend March 12, 2013 at 8:34 pm #

          I feel like beating everyone up all the time. Adults, kids, animals (including fish). My reptile brain wants them all to bow under my heavy fist of justice. But logic instantly steps in and puts a stop to that delusion. Its very complex, the mind says. Its not like we are in a hockey arena where fighting has a practical purpose in creating some fatigue in a defender so the next line can come in and score. In self defense, if you can’t get away with a few moves, shit just got real serious and its time to bring out the metaphorical “claws”. Maybe honor in fist fighting is a cultural constant where teddy boy resides, but here it will get you stabbed or worse very quick.

          • echar March 12, 2013 at 8:56 pm #

            Fish can be serious assholes. With their bulging eyes and mocking mouths.

          • lazy_friend March 12, 2013 at 8:59 pm #

            There mocking mouths are so obnoxious. And why the heck do they need eyes in murky water?

          • echar March 12, 2013 at 11:27 pm #

            Seriously, and they eat their own poop. How could they ever think they are better?

          • echar March 12, 2013 at 11:27 pm #

            Seriously, and they eat their own poop. How could they ever think they are better?

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 2:00 am #

            Goldfish are the biggest culprits. Insult you and 5 seconds later forget all about it.

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

            Their eyes shall gaze emptily towards the heavens as we make meat pie of their mockery.

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 2:36 pm #

            Their eyes shall gaze emptily towards the heavens as we make meat pie of their mockery.

          • echar March 13, 2013 at 4:20 pm #

            Eat them up yum!

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cn73Wtem0No

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 4:33 pm #

            Boxer boy should have just left a fish head on troll boy’s door mat.

          • echar March 13, 2013 at 5:11 pm #

            All trolls are to be fed fish heads!

          • Matt Staggs March 14, 2013 at 11:34 am #

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKDtUzRIG6I

          • Calypso_1 March 14, 2013 at 12:52 pm #

            I think we may have discovered the underlying dietary deficiency that leads to trollism.

          • InfvoCuernos March 12, 2013 at 11:45 pm #

            “Bow under my heavy fist of justice” – I’m stealing that.

          • mannyfurious March 13, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

            Yeah, like Ted, I was also bullied for a time in middle and high school. But I’ve always been naturally stronger (even though I’m smaller) than most of my peers, even before I began working out. So one day I decided to fight back. It ended quickly and I felt very good about myself. Then a couple of days later, the guy I beat up brought a friend. So, feeling emboldened by my previous victory I fought both of them. Again, it was a good outcome for me. Then, a couple of days later, the two returned with another friend. This time, after a long struggle, the three got the better of me. But they weren’t finished. Eventually, one day after lunch, about seven of them attacked me as I was trying to get to a teacher’s classroom so they could leave me alone. They stomped on my head several times and everything. It was bad.

            But it was also good, because it taught me the importance of not resorting to violence if I didn’t have to. In my experience, the myth of punching the bully in the mouth to make him stop is just that, a myth. The bully is an insecure coward who will stop at nothing to keep up his guise of physical superiority. Look at the U.S. for god’s sake. We’ll drop a nuclear bomb on someone, before we learn to leave them alone.

          • mannyfurious March 13, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

            Yeah, like Ted, I was also bullied for a time in middle and high school. But I’ve always been naturally stronger (even though I’m smaller) than most of my peers, even before I began working out. So one day I decided to fight back. It ended quickly and I felt very good about myself. Then a couple of days later, the guy I beat up brought a friend. So, feeling emboldened by my previous victory I fought both of them. Again, it was a good outcome for me. Then, a couple of days later, the two returned with another friend. This time, after a long struggle, the three got the better of me. But they weren’t finished. Eventually, one day after lunch, about seven of them attacked me as I was trying to get to a teacher’s classroom so they could leave me alone. They stomped on my head several times and everything. It was bad.

            But it was also good, because it taught me the importance of not resorting to violence if I didn’t have to. In my experience, the myth of punching the bully in the mouth to make him stop is just that, a myth. The bully is an insecure coward who will stop at nothing to keep up his guise of physical superiority. Look at the U.S. for god’s sake. We’ll drop a nuclear bomb on someone, before we learn to leave them alone.

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 2:23 pm #

            I understand your feelings well & wish you the best of luck in transforming the shadow self. Some of those claws are less metaphorical then you might imagine. The things that go bump in the night bestow strange gifts in submission to the well-honed predator.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 3:59 pm #

            when I say “claws” I mean weapons, specifically a blade. But that was very poetic.

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 4:11 pm #

            when I say claws I mean many things….some of which are actual claws.

            some are are more akin, o student of the occult, to the shamans dart. They will teach you new & horrible things about pain – hard to unlearn. rue whatever darkness within yourself drew such poison as its cure.

            I am an aficionado of the edge.
            Karambit much?

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 5:18 pm #

            I get your point and I understand. I guess I am a bit obsessed with blades, and now I might just buy a karambit because I dont have one in my collection

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 5:18 pm #

            I get your point and I understand. I guess I am a bit obsessed with blades, and now I might just buy a karambit because I dont have one in my collection

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 5:41 pm #

            I highly recommend a practice blade as well to learn the extensive grappling applications. Its not the best suited for knife v knife, but in the rare circumstance you might need a blade against an unarmed attacker or quick infighting it is phenomenal.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 6:44 pm #

            Knife to knife I would just step back and get behind a corner making the attacker turn the corner to get to me. I have a nice Bradley cutlery butterfly with a tanto blade that I like to carry around. My thing with knives is not for attacking, its for defending against dudes that are bigger than me and think I am intimidated when technology has closed that gap between gentlemen and brutes a long time ago. I mostly just like the shape of karambit, it looks damn cool.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 6:44 pm #

            Knife to knife I would just step back and get behind a corner making the attacker turn the corner to get to me. I have a nice Bradley cutlery butterfly with a tanto blade that I like to carry around. My thing with knives is not for attacking, its for defending against dudes that are bigger than me and think I am intimidated when technology has closed that gap between gentlemen and brutes a long time ago. I mostly just like the shape of karambit, it looks damn cool.

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 7:10 pm #

            When i say attacking it would cover circumstances such as multiple unarmed assailants who obviously did not have the intent to leave you in state conducive to life or able-bodied existence. Tough call to make but the karambit is precise enough with proper training to do the right kind of damage to maintain a claim of self-defense & arguing against attempted murder.
            Are you familiar w/ James Keating? If not you would probably like his material. He has sensitivities towards occult matters.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do March 15, 2013 at 2:35 pm #

            Or rue whatever darkness in others that drew such a cure as its poison.

          • Calypso_1 March 15, 2013 at 3:00 pm #

            With specimens such as these it is given unto me the ruthless sangfroid of a cultured mithridate.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do March 14, 2013 at 3:36 am #

            I’m stealing that.

          • Calypso_1 March 14, 2013 at 1:03 pm #

            Oh god, do you know what you’ve just done? It’s so hard to give those gifts away & so often it must be carried out with cold cruelty. Then with the beasties getting their feelings hurt…..stealing really is the best way, they admire your initiative. I’ve been trying to divest & trade for some time. Sometimes you can con a mark, but the more intelligent boogers just come running back, demanding to be fed in more imaginative ways.
            Honing is a hobby of mine. I’ll leave the tool shed unlocked on the next dark moon & you can practice your creep. Just be careful what follows you home.

          • Monkey See Monkey Do March 15, 2013 at 3:10 pm #

            My tools have been blunted over the years so I might take you up on that, I don’t mind being followed as long as I learn to follow sometimes as well.

      • echar March 12, 2013 at 8:55 pm #

        Stabbed in the ear… omg!

        • lazy_friend March 12, 2013 at 9:01 pm #

          Yeah dood. Its like in fight club where tyler gets punched on the ear but with a knife. Inches from hitting him on the neck

          • echar March 12, 2013 at 11:26 pm #

            That had to hurt.

        • lazy_friend March 12, 2013 at 9:03 pm #

          P.S over the right to possibly get VD from a random fugly chick. No wonder extreme feminists have such an easy time making cases against males these days

          • echar March 12, 2013 at 11:25 pm #

            The Satanic Witch by Anton Szandor LaVey

            http://www.amazon.com/Satanic-Witch-Anton-Szandor-LaVey/dp/0922915849

            I know what you may be thinking, but there is some serious wisdom in that book. It appears many dudes allow their lesser regions to rule, and many have no qualms taking advantage of this.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 1:42 am #

            I’m into all things occult, even if just for entertainment. Its the reason I started trolling this site in the first place, after reading the book of lies by disinfo. Too bad there is not much discussion about it.

          • echar March 13, 2013 at 6:18 am #

            Perhaps you could use some persuasion to make that happen? Or be in the right place and talk with the right person?

            It’s been so long since I read it, I can hardly remember anything. Sadly I had get rid of that book when I moved.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 5:34 pm #

            I’ll get it soon. I have been getting books in kindle edition lately if I cant find them for free in PDF. I am only going to buy a physical book after I am done reading it in digital form as a trophy. It is much easier for me to read a few pages here and there on my smart phone and actually finish the book, than to carry a paper book around. My exception is rare books i’d buy those before I read them. I will finish the social animal” someday in the near future http://www.amazon.com/The-Social-Animal-Elliot-Aronson/dp/1429233419/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1363210364&sr=8-2&keywords=the+social+animal

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 5:40 pm #

            The book of lies, is an editorial. The first chapter on “pop magick” is whats truly important to the initiate, the rest are anecdotes, damn good ones of what can happen when you dabble. And I mean discussions on occult topics in general. Not by gurus like thad mackraken or whatever his name is. But by people who are humble and trying to figure things out and who are also looking out for charlatans

          • echar March 13, 2013 at 5:43 pm #

            I vaguely remember a few of the messages. I’d like to get a 7″ tablet to read books.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 6:48 pm #

            The google nexus 7 is 200 bucks and its very powerful. Quad core processor and the screen is just the right size. I just read on my phone, the text is just big enough so I can read and I have the first kindle that came out which is still working but the phones portability wins everytime

          • echar March 13, 2013 at 6:51 pm #

            That is the exact one that I want and may get. I have not tried to read on my phone yet.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 6:54 pm #

            Im getting one for my mom as a gift. I was going for the ipad mini but this is a better value. I read on my iphone and its fine. The kindle app is pretty great. Letting you book mark highlight all that jazz. The only thing I don’t like is that when you buy a book it takes a few minutes for it to show up on the app, but that’s a first world problem.

          • echar March 13, 2013 at 6:58 pm #

            gimme now!

            I have the kindle app on my android phone, but I like free. Perhaps I will read the free Jason Louv book as a test. I typically can’t stand reading off of a screen.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 7:53 pm #

            I just do it in short bursts. when the book is there at your hands at all times couple with the other functions of the phone it makes things better. the epaper kindles are pretty good for people who dont like the lcd screens IMO

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 7:56 pm #

            Jason Louv is one of my favorite writers and I cant put a finger on why, dude just has style. If you get the adobe PDF app you can just load pdf books on, im sure you know that already. It reads pretty much like the kindle app. I buy books when I like the content and when the price is reasonable. The problem with intellectual property is usually that the price is inflated for pure profit. bad business practice in my opinion

          • echar March 13, 2013 at 8:42 pm #

            I am in that process right now. It helps that I can use chrome to phone too.

          • echar March 13, 2013 at 6:00 pm #

            Maybe they are all gurus and charlatans at the same time?

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 6:46 pm #

            Charlatanism is an occult practice just very crude from what I understand. So I guess they can be gurus at being charlatans. Its a vampiric practice tho. Fake it till you make it

          • echar March 13, 2013 at 6:56 pm #

            It can be tough to tell the turd from the gold from the iron pyrite from the experiential lessons. I’ll have to check out the Book of Lies again.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 1:54 am #

            Seems like a good read. Ill save to my wish list as I got like 15 books to plus im starting piano lessons soon. I got this book called the social animal which is sociology and not so occult, but I stopped reading after the first two chapters because it was teaching me how to manipulate people and giving the results of their experiments as proof. Some powers I rather not posses.

          • echar March 13, 2013 at 6:15 am #

            Everyone manipulates. Some call it selling, others enrolling. The main difference is that manipulate has a negativity attached, but meh semantics. Besides the way I see it, the more I know about the topic, the more I know if someone is trying to get one over on me. That book sounds good.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 2:02 am #

            If I followed my sex drive I would be dead or with some psycho bitch now. Good thing I am lazy

          • echar March 13, 2013 at 6:10 am #

            Some dudes settle for the psycho bitch. I have a friend or two who did that very thing.

      • Ted Heistman March 13, 2013 at 12:42 am #

        Only you know inside if you are telling the truth or creating a fake persona.

        • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 1:34 am #

          As long as that persona is not a violent delusional asshole (not directed at you) I am ok with it being fake. The shadow needs to be brought to the light and transformed for enlightenment to occur . I’m pretty sure you hyperbole a lot of your statements and thats cool with me. Talk is cheap.

          • Ted Heistman March 13, 2013 at 1:44 am #

            actually I don’t.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 1:51 am #

            Well I give up. you are older than me and I don’t want to take this as disrespect. At least it does not seem like you are suffering from low T.

          • Andrew March 13, 2013 at 11:38 am #

            He mentioned being bi-polar.

          • Ted Heistman March 13, 2013 at 11:55 am #

            My Manager while I was working in a Call center doing collections was not a licensed Physician. He was just some dude with an AA degree in business.

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 8:42 am #

            You do. That some part of you doesn’t see it is normal but perhaps worthy of examination.

          • Ted Heistman March 13, 2013 at 12:05 pm #

            What? I do think talk is cheap but I think basically if a person is an honest person, other people will eventually catch on. As far as I know I have never misrepresented or exaggerated anything I have related on here. If I was going to make up a false persona I think I would make myself more rich instead of just a guy drifting around the country broke most of the time.

            I really don’t know what to say. I guess when I read books like Charles Bukowski, I feel like he must be telling the truth. Maybe he was a bullshitter. I don’t know. I have lived a lot of similar situations, except way less sex and alcohol. But as far as drifting around the country and getting fired from or quitting shit loads of jobs and meeting lots of crazy people. That’s my life. I guess maybe I am a cross between Charles Bukowski and an aging Christopher Candless, except that I am too stubborn to die.

            A life of quiet desperation has never been my thing. I mean most of the things i’ve tried ended in disaster, but hey, at least I tried. I think if I were going to make up shit, I would make up more successes.

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 1:44 pm #

            I did not say you were presenting or creating a false persona here. I do believe you have a strict personal relationship with your own self representation of honesty.
            What i said was that you have engaged in hyperbole.
            If you can’t take that observation at face value that is fine. I am not going to take it upon myself to directly reveal each instance it occurs. I will however continue to jape at you when the opportunity of such occurences evokes a significant enough potential for self-amusement.

        • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 1:40 am #

          I just don’t think Joe Rogan would beat me up if I questioned the validity of his black belt. He has way more to lose regardless than I do. If he is a true black belt and wise he would just ignore the comments or just say some physical feature of mine is ugly or something. To fight over it would just be over the top and ridiculous. Why don’t you go take some MMA classes, maybe you have a hidden talent for either fighting or coaching, that way you can direct all that bravado to a proper target. just saying. I goaltend futsal every week to direct my cat like reflexes at something productive.

        • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 8:33 am #

          Very few people are consciously aware of creating false personas. It’s quite an insidious process of self-deception through layered defense mechanisms.

          • Ted Heistman March 13, 2013 at 11:50 am #

            How you could you possibly know that? Seems like you are simply giving everyone a free pass. So everyone would be honest except they just don’t know any better? Sounds like you are making a (lame) excuse for people.

            If I say I was an all American college wrestler, but in reality I had a losing record (which was actually the case) I wouldn’t know if I was lying or not? WTF? I just relate my experience. Some people might relate some people might not. People are different.

            I think I have a lot of different qualities. But the comments section of this website for whatever reason, is weighted more toward (I wouldn’t say feminine) but definitely more liberal guys. Guys that champion vegan ism and resent a lot of qualities traditionally associated with masculinity in some ways. If you are a less physical type guy, other guys don’t tend to see you as a challenge and relate to you differently. I mean maybe in high school you might get bullied by people that want to pick on someone who they don’t think can fight back, but later in life the more masculine guys won’t see you as a challenge and will leave you alone. So a stronger more aggressive type dude, might tend to butt heads more and people will be seen as a challenge to whatever hierarchy the group has going.

            So anyway, that has been my experience and I have gotten in fights different times. I am just relating my experience, not bragging or creating some false persona of being a bad ass. I mean a lot of times I got my ass kicked. I’ve had my nose broken three times, which I think you can see pretty clearly. I had my Jaw fractured once when I was 12 and was afraid i would get in trouble, so I reset it myself by biting down hard and pushing my teeth back together until they matched again.

            So anyway, some people may not relate to this, but other people might resonate with it.

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

            You’re reply indicated no understanding of what I refer to. If you are so inclined I suggest you seek the services of a psychologist in a therapeutic setting to have these matters explained as they might relate to your knowledge of yourself & others. If this is not a direction that interests you yet the knowledge still does, you will need to pursue an extensive course of study based on the accumulated experience of many others.
            This would be how I could possibly know this as it is a path already undertaken and have ongoing experience with on a regular basis.
            In no way does this concept give a ‘free pass’ to anyone. In fact the more embedded in false self the greater the price is paid. Either in consequence or the degree of challenge required to overcome the effects.

            Perhaps this comment section seems more weighted towards “liberal” men to you because you are overcompensating with your own masculine qualities. Even Wiltshire at his most boisterous doesn’t trumpet his martial prowess. I’ll bet he has some battle scars….we just haven’t heard about them.
            You haven’t heard about mine & you won’t.
            You are right you do have many qualities but why does the default position seem to be ‘I’m a Man & I throw down.’

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 1:34 pm #

            You’re reply indicated no understanding of what I refer to. If you are so inclined I suggest you seek the services of a psychologist in a therapeutic setting to have these matters explained as they might relate to your knowledge of yourself & others. If this is not a direction that interests you yet the knowledge still does, you will need to pursue an extensive course of study based on the accumulated experience of many others.
            This would be how I could possibly know this as it is a path already undertaken and have ongoing experience with on a regular basis.
            In no way does this concept give a ‘free pass’ to anyone. In fact the more embedded in false self the greater the price is paid. Either in consequence or the degree of challenge required to overcome the effects.

            Perhaps this comment section seems more weighted towards “liberal” men to you because you are overcompensating with your own masculine qualities. Even Wiltshire at his most boisterous doesn’t trumpet his martial prowess. I’ll bet he has some battle scars….we just haven’t heard about them.
            You haven’t heard about mine & you won’t.
            You are right you do have many qualities but why does the default position seem to be ‘I’m a Man & I throw down.’

          • Ted Heistman March 13, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

            Because for some reason it bugs you and that is what you choose to focus on. I say all kinds of shit on here and you like to keep referring back to my argument with the guy on the Tony Wright thread.

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 2:03 pm #

            I’m focusing on it here in this thread & in others because it is often the core of your commentary. You initiated the same basic concepts once again of your own volition.

            The Tony Wright thread was outrageous & demonstrated to high degree what i am referring to – including hyperbole & even I dare say at this point false persona – ie
            grandiose fantasy (unless you have definitive genetic proof of your Steppe Warrior bloodline [which I would find rather interesting as that whole line of reasoning is quite popular in certain 'racial superiority' communities]).

            This topic does not ‘bug’ me. Do you want it to?

          • Ted Heistman March 13, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

            Hey, there fella

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 3:11 pm #

            That was a rather prominent move you made into the deterritorialized space I provided for you. That’s not what a nomad does. The herd on the other hand is always looking for the passage of decoded flows to new grounds of bonded subjection. It is preaccomplished violence.

            We all have personal myths.
            I have no problem with that. I applaud that and empower that so as to enhance your being as long as it is a conscious evolving process & not one used to further a stagnating virility.

            I am very familiar with Practice Acts and the like and no such unlicensed activities as you suggest are occurring here.
            I have also never made any association between yourself or your statements and trampling upon academia. I believe in fact the opposite in most cases.

            As to what halls I hallow, academia is but one and not the foremost.

            I am not riled up. Do you want me to be?

            You are far, far from my inner court ‘Αlpha’ male.

          • Ted Heistman March 14, 2013 at 12:52 am #

            Hi.

          • Calypso_1 March 14, 2013 at 1:33 am #

            As you said you are reading the book and don’t take notes.

            I’ve studied it for over a year – extensively. I cannot account for your desire to read it or at what level you incorporate it. That you find his ‘jargon’ obscure places you in no different category than most readers who attempt it. It is a tough read & requires additional preparation for a full appreciation.
            I also don’t read or study anything because i ‘like’ it. There is purpose & intent.
            There is no striving for appearances here Ted. I am obscure simply because I am obscure.
            It is such a simple ruse that only the laziest of intellects will not tread through. There is more clarity in these simple convolutions of thought than most will ever give you. But you presume I seek such appearances before an audience. The only audience I seek is of those whose ‘obscurities’ I do not readily understand without the effort they require to perceive them. The arrogance needed to believe that one has the ability always at hand to grasp the cumulative work & understanding of another without commensurate preparation is a fearful demonstration of disregard for the work itself & mere intellectual consumerism.

            PS
            I do appreciate that you are reading this book & am glad that you are enjoying it. If your desire is to have conversations on a cursory level, I’m afraid that I have not integrated the work as such as I do not feel it lends itself well to the like. That does not mean that I do not wish to speak about concepts in the text as they are powerful. I have taken the approach from the beginning of this work as being a very active methodological exposition & not just an intellectual exploration. My efforts at this point are largely to utilize the insights gained to further holistic understanding of the treatise & it’s applications.

          • Calypso_1 March 14, 2013 at 1:33 am #

            As you said you are reading the book and don’t take notes.

            I’ve studied it for over a year – extensively. I cannot account for your desire to read it or at what level you incorporate it. That you find his ‘jargon’ obscure places you in no different category than most readers who attempt it. It is a tough read & requires additional preparation for a full appreciation.
            I also don’t read or study anything because i ‘like’ it. There is purpose & intent.
            There is no striving for appearances here Ted. I am obscure simply because I am obscure.
            It is such a simple ruse that only the laziest of intellects will not tread through. There is more clarity in these simple convolutions of thought than most will ever give you. But you presume I seek such appearances before an audience. The only audience I seek is of those whose ‘obscurities’ I do not readily understand without the effort they require to perceive them. The arrogance needed to believe that one has the ability always at hand to grasp the cumulative work & understanding of another without commensurate preparation is a fearful demonstration of disregard for the work itself & mere intellectual consumerism.

            PS
            I do appreciate that you are reading this book & am glad that you are enjoying it. If your desire is to have conversations on a cursory level, I’m afraid that I have not integrated the work as such as I do not feel it lends itself well to the like. That does not mean that I do not wish to speak about concepts in the text as they are powerful. I have taken the approach from the beginning of this work as being a very active methodological exposition & not just an intellectual exploration. My efforts at this point are largely to utilize the insights gained to further holistic understanding of the treatise & it’s applications.

          • Ted Heistman March 14, 2013 at 2:00 am #

            How’s the weather?

          • Ted Heistman March 14, 2013 at 2:00 am #

            How’s the weather?

          • Ted Heistman March 14, 2013 at 2:09 am #

            How ’bout them Green Bay Packers?

          • Calypso_1 March 14, 2013 at 11:25 am #

            I’m glad you like the book. I thought you would. I hope we can come to a default recognition that any given reader may be seeking, capable of receiving & imparted different meanings from a text.
            As to his obscurity – My God man! They’re French.
            As to my word choice. The intended meaning should dictate the choice of words. When i use words that are less common it is because I have studied the etymology and their usage as such reflects other connections & insights developed over many years. There are many mysteries to be unveiled within our language.

          • Calypso_1 March 14, 2013 at 11:25 am #

            I’m glad you like the book. I thought you would. I hope we can come to a default recognition that any given reader may be seeking, capable of receiving & imparted different meanings from a text.
            As to his obscurity – My God man! They’re French.
            As to my word choice. The intended meaning should dictate the choice of words. When i use words that are less common it is because I have studied the etymology and their usage as such reflects other connections & insights developed over many years. There are many mysteries to be unveiled within our language.

          • Ted Heistman March 14, 2013 at 1:32 pm #

            You use words wrong. I am not a grammar Nazi or perfect myself, but you use longer words slightly incorrectly instead of shorter more common words. I don’t care, This conversation is draining, because basically I don’t give a shit. Have the last word. I don’t care. I just try to be real. I can’t please everybody. Overall I think I am pretty respectful on here. I don’t always say the politically correct thing. So what nobody is perfect.

          • Calypso_1 March 14, 2013 at 2:00 pm #

            Sorry to drain your supply.
            I just hope you were sitting down.
            All those big words can make you dizzy when you try to stand up to someone who acts so superior.

            Keep it real. Or virtual.

          • Sheri Peterson March 15, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

            You don’t really care for online pissing contests?

          • Ted Heistman March 15, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

            Well could go back and edit my comments like some people do after the fact. That way I come of looking way better than the people I piss off. But its all good. Maye I should stick to the snappy one liner.

          • Ted Heistman March 15, 2013 at 2:27 pm #

            Well could go back and edit my comments like some people do after the fact. That way I come of looking way better than the people I piss off. But its all good. Maye I should stick to the snappy one liner.

          • Calypso_1 March 15, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

            You mean like you deleted the contents of your posts from these threads?
            Basically honest – let’s leave that one off the fishing line for a while.

          • Calypso_1 March 15, 2013 at 3:18 pm #

            You mean like you deleted the contents of your posts from these threads?
            Basically honest – let’s leave that one off the fishing line for a while.

          • Ted Heistman March 15, 2013 at 3:48 pm #

            You did the same thing.

          • Calypso_1 March 15, 2013 at 4:01 pm #

            No sir, other than adding an annotated Post Script, just glitched a key stroke in disqus. Lost ownership, can’t get it back. All still there under Guest – i’ll post notice as claimant.

          • Calypso_1 March 15, 2013 at 4:01 pm #

            No sir, other than adding an annotated Post Script, just glitched a key stroke in disqus. Lost ownership, can’t get it back. All still there under Guest – i’ll post notice as claimant.

          • Guest March 14, 2013 at 11:08 am #

            You feel like it was written for you.
            I, who have studied it (& recommended it to you) do not get it because of your special feelings & status as a ‘nomad’ (your self-declared personal mythos).
            Never have i stated anything related to requisite college studies to read this book.
            To provide suggestions as to the nature of this position you take would be a violation of professional ethics.
            You can be a nomad Heistman that’s fine, but be prepared to find that the status your continued special insights relegates you to is one of life patterns that leaves you seperated from those persons you think just can’t see the reality that is ‘revealed’ to you. It doesn’t have to be that way.
            A side note – if you want to be rude, don’t say you guess are being rude. Its passive-aggressive & unmanly.

          • Ted Heistman March 14, 2013 at 1:28 pm #

            I think you are passive aggressive. You act superior and psycho-analyze people and then act like you are oh so mature and just trying to help. I think you need to check yourself.

          • Calypso_1 March 14, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

            Such a turn of the tables.
            I do check myself regularly. Testicular self-examination is a vital part of ever man’s self-care routine.

          • Calypso_1 March 14, 2013 at 1:48 pm #

            Such a turn of the tables.
            I do check myself regularly. Testicular self-examination is a vital part of ever man’s self-care routine.

          • Ted Heistman March 14, 2013 at 1:56 pm #

            “Such a turn of the tables”
            Glad you got such a rise out of it.

          • Calypso_1 March 14, 2013 at 2:15 pm #

            No rise – that would require flagellation, not examination.

          • Sheri Peterson March 15, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

            You should re-read your posts. aka checking yourself

          • Sheri Peterson March 15, 2013 at 12:25 pm #

            You should re-read your posts. aka checking yourself

          • Tuna Ghost March 21, 2013 at 4:54 pm #

            holy christ I thought Cameron was the most embarrassing poster on this site, but you take the cake my hardcore friend

          • Calypso_1 March 15, 2013 at 4:04 pm #

            This post was made by Calypso.

          • Calypso_1 March 15, 2013 at 4:10 pm #

            As was the one preceding it.

          • Calypso_1 March 13, 2013 at 2:03 pm #

            I’m focusing on it here in this thread & in others because it is often the core of your commentary. You initiated the same basic concepts once again of your own volition.

            The Tony Wright thread was outrageous & demonstrated to high degree what i am referring to – including hyperbole & even I dare say at this point false persona – ie
            grandiose fantasy (unless you have definitive genetic proof of your Steppe Warrior bloodline [which I would find rather interesting as that whole line of reasoning is quite popular in certain 'racial superiority' communities]).

            This topic does not ‘bug’ me. Do you want it to?

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 5:16 pm #

            he is just worried about your nutritional needs.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 5:11 pm #

            So just because you are crude means you are more manly than someone who chooses to be a vegan? Masculinity is complex and being smart and cunning is also part of it. Smaller guys can still run you over with a car and that would still be totally bad ass. You might have been strong once but you are aging. Its time to tone it down a bit. Today some random dood was tail gating me giving me the finger. Almost fucking too fucking coincidental to what we are talking about here. So I raised my hands and said “what are you going to do?” to the rear view mirror so he could see. He drove by me and i got behind him for a quarter mile or so. Then he took a random turn into a mcdonalds, obviously thinking I was going to fight him along side his old ass ford explorer. I just wanted to see how much of a dumb fuck he was for a bit thats why I followed him. After he took the turn into the Mcdonalds I just drove by and went about my business. Would I have been able to fight him? no doubt, and he was being an asshole for no reason. But I choose to keep calm and carry on.

    • lazy_friend March 12, 2013 at 8:56 pm #

      If anything, draw up a sigil and test your magick. And don’t get me wrong I am not trying to single you out here. It just happens that you are very outspoken and I have to match that to get my point across

    • ParanoidCoast March 12, 2013 at 11:32 pm #

      Your name wouldn’t be Charles Bukowski by any chance? Could you sign my copy of “Ham on Rye”?

      • Ted Heistman March 13, 2013 at 12:27 am #

        sure

      • Ted Heistman March 13, 2013 at 12:27 am #

        sure

      • uncle gilly May 21, 2013 at 6:01 pm #

        Ever heard of the collaboration between Bukowski, and J.D. salinger? ”
        Ham on catcher in the rye” ??

    • Sven Schmidt March 13, 2013 at 10:52 am #

      Well I completely disagree as this makes men sound primitive and insecure. Honestly picking fights is stupid, I don’t think, under most circumstances, its warranted. Plus you keep mentioning men, men, men…. like its the entire male population that functions this way. I’m sure some women would love to fight. Very sexist and regressive point of you.

      • Ted Heistman March 13, 2013 at 11:31 am #

        Do you sit down to pee? Just wondering. Carry on.

        • Andrew March 13, 2013 at 2:48 pm #

          Comments like that reek of spiritual immaturity.

    • Monkey See Monkey Do March 13, 2013 at 3:00 pm #

      Stay safe Ted, Love your articles, Try meditation.

    • mole_face March 14, 2013 at 1:22 pm #

      Whether or not this is the appropriate reaction would depend on the circumstances.

      When some dickhead makes an unprovoked shithead comment to you and you immediately escalate to violence, all you’re doing is showing how badly the person’s moronic little remark got to you. If you try to turn a verbal battle into a fistfight, that’s nothing more than a way to exploit a social loophole whereby you can feel like you “won” a petty verbal dispute via violence even though you didn’t even have a comeback to the person’s shitty little snipe. In that situation, you’re reacting to bullying by acting like an even bigger bully yourself.

      Make a comment back, and if they continue to fuck with you, calmly warn them “Look, I don’t know what the fuck your problem is, but I don’t want any trouble. So please just shut up and mind your own business”. If they interpret this as weakness and then try to escalate their snarky bullshit, THEN I’d say they probably deserve a beating or three.

      I definitely know where you’re coming from, and I know how difficult it is to admit that you’re being thin-skinned and petty by having so much emotionally riding on whether or not someone’s allowed to disrespect you with words.

      I currently live in a small white trash/redneck town, and I face constant harassment from worthless human waste who hate “city people” and “Yankees”. If you’re walking down the street minding your own business and some half-dead douchebag in a Nascar t shirt sneers and says “Are you GAY?” when you walk past him and his Basic-Lights-stench-infested buddy, sure the guy probably deserves a punch in the face – but instead I’d probably say something like “What? Is that a question, or are you propositioning me? I’m flattered, but no thanks – I like women.”. Then if the guy escalates the situation by acting blustery, I’m justified if I want to do to his face what that crash did to Dale Earnhardt. But if the guy backs down(and they pretty much always do), there’s no reason to take it any further at that point.

      I have to admit that I’m not the best at always staying calm in these sorts of situations – but when I do react this way, the vast VAST majority of people back the fuck down immediately and never mess with me again. I’m no tough guy or a fighter either – I’ve just found that if I stay calm and don’t falter in the slightest during a confrontation, most people will back down even if they’re literally twice my size.

    • mole_face March 14, 2013 at 1:22 pm #

      Whether or not this is the appropriate reaction would depend on the circumstances.

      When some dickhead makes an unprovoked shithead comment to you and you immediately escalate to violence, all you’re doing is showing how badly the person’s moronic little remark got to you. If you try to turn a verbal battle into a fistfight, that’s nothing more than a way to exploit a social loophole whereby you can feel like you “won” a petty verbal dispute via violence even though you didn’t even have a comeback to the person’s shitty little snipe. In that situation, you’re reacting to bullying by acting like an even bigger bully yourself.

      Make a comment back, and if they continue to fuck with you, calmly warn them “Look, I don’t know what the fuck your problem is, but I don’t want any trouble. So please just shut up and mind your own business”. If they interpret this as weakness and then try to escalate their snarky bullshit, THEN I’d say they probably deserve a beating or three.

      I definitely know where you’re coming from, and I know how difficult it is to admit that you’re being thin-skinned and petty by having so much emotionally riding on whether or not someone’s allowed to disrespect you with words.

      I currently live in a small white trash/redneck town, and I face constant harassment from worthless human waste who hate “city people” and “Yankees”. If you’re walking down the street minding your own business and some half-dead douchebag in a Nascar t shirt sneers and says “Are you GAY?” when you walk past him and his Basic-Lights-stench-infested buddy, sure the guy probably deserves a punch in the face – but instead I’d probably say something like “What? Is that a question, or are you propositioning me? I’m flattered, but no thanks – I like women.”. Then if the guy escalates the situation by acting blustery, I’m justified if I want to do to his face what that crash did to Dale Earnhardt. But if the guy backs down(and they pretty much always do), there’s no reason to take it any further at that point.

      I have to admit that I’m not the best at always staying calm in these sorts of situations – but when I do react this way, the vast VAST majority of people back the fuck down immediately and never mess with me again. I’m no tough guy or a fighter either – I’ve just found that if I stay calm and don’t falter in the slightest during a confrontation, most people will back down even if they’re literally twice my size.

      • mole_face March 14, 2013 at 3:19 pm #

        I want to point out that the specific interaction with rednecks I described was completely hypothetical. I’ve had similar shit happen though. I hate the idea that so many people use the internet to prop up false internet-only personas, so I try to represent myself as true to life as possible in my posts.

  9. Ted Heistman March 12, 2013 at 12:08 pm #

    The Master is a real charmer, retweets a lot jokes about beating women. I think he missed out in an opportunity to grow as a person by not opening the door.

    • Camron Wiltshire March 12, 2013 at 1:51 pm #

      internetcomeuppance.com? Stories of modern vigilance in the face of snark?

  10. echar March 12, 2013 at 12:26 pm #

    You may want to add to never mess with someone who has cash to burn.

  11. Todd X March 12, 2013 at 3:44 pm #

    Wow I am really amazed at the conclusion that are being jumped to. Not once did I think that the boxer was going there to actually beat the guy up. I have witnessed an anonymous troll being confronted by the object of his virtual abuse. Truth be told, this notion of words never hurting is crap. I think nit was on this very site that an article showing that the same pain centers of the brain are affected by physical or verbal abuse.

    Too often trolls hide behind the anonymity of the internet to say mean, derisive, and hurtful things. Just because this guy is a boxer does not mean that he cannot hurt, The boxer is accused of being a bully. When it is clear that the troll was the bully from the evidence presented in article. Advocating for yourself even irrationally is is still step toward making the bully stop. Why has no one questioned if the boxer was bullied as a child and that is why he became a boxer?

    To go back to the troll I witnessed getting his comeuppance, The victim of his online attacks merely put a face for his attacker to see. He also asked him if he cared to say any of these words to his face. He did not yell or scream, he talked calmly and with determination, a feeble attempt at humor and the growing concern that the little guy he had been picking on was in the troll’s face made the online interaction one of consequence and one that was far more human.

    This boxer was simply letting him know that he was a more than an amalgamation of 0′s and 1′s streaming across cyberspace. He let the troll know that he was a man.

    If the boxer had intent to do harm the headline would have read much differently.

    • mannyfurious March 12, 2013 at 6:53 pm #

      These people aren’t “bullies.” They are trolls. A bully is someone who consistently physically harasses you. A troll is some loser on a computer who you can easily ignore. You know the whole point of a troll is that he’s trying to get you riled up. His only goal is to hurt your feelings. Some people make it too easy….

      • Monkey See Monkey Do March 13, 2013 at 3:15 pm #

        And they wanna go fisticuffs in the parking lot at work.

    • lazy_friend March 12, 2013 at 8:15 pm #

      If I were trolling someone and they came over to get things said to their face, I would troll them to their face an probably use some silly string. Yes words hurt, but its a different degree of pain, there are levels of crime. If someone is trolling you, you either got to troll them back or ignore. If i had that kind of money I would just hire the hacker to mess with the trolls computer. Way more effective and less time consuming and creative. What if the troll was a gang banger in a seedy section? the boxer would not come back. Plus a true troll, would use a VPN server which hides their IP. This dood was just messing with the boxer and the boxer either used it for publicity or totally fell for it.

      • echar March 12, 2013 at 8:20 pm #

        Or it’s all fake.

      • echar March 12, 2013 at 8:20 pm #

        Or it’s all fake.

        • lazy_friend March 12, 2013 at 8:25 pm #

          Mind = Blown

      • Todd X March 15, 2013 at 9:46 am #

        It is my observation that a troll is a new kind of bully. New tools for causing hurt. The intention is still the same. Inflicting pain to dominate with the idea being because they feel the victim cannot successfully defend themselves.

        Silly string always on hand is an amazing image to behold.

        • lazy_friend March 15, 2013 at 11:25 am #

          I somewhat agree, but its a different medium all together and there are ways to retroll a troll if one is so inclined. Like with google voice, which is a free phone service as you may know. If the boxer found out the trolls phone number he can call and hang up with one click of the mouse. I did that to an old friend and called him like 100 times or more in a short span of time while he was waiting for an important phone call, rendering his phone useless. He had it coming. People that are sensitive to words really should watch out on the internet. I am somewhat sensitive but the benefits of online discussion outweigh the risk of damage to my ego or emotions that may occur. When I don’t want to discuss something anymore, I just kinda move on to the next topic and pretty much say “later bitches”.

        • lazy_friend March 15, 2013 at 11:25 am #

          I somewhat agree, but its a different medium all together and there are ways to retroll a troll if one is so inclined. Like with google voice, which is a free phone service as you may know. If the boxer found out the trolls phone number he can call and hang up with one click of the mouse. I did that to an old friend and called him like 100 times or more in a short span of time while he was waiting for an important phone call, rendering his phone useless. He had it coming. People that are sensitive to words really should watch out on the internet. I am somewhat sensitive but the benefits of online discussion outweigh the risk of damage to my ego or emotions that may occur. When I don’t want to discuss something anymore, I just kinda move on to the next topic and pretty much say “later bitches”.

        • lazy_friend March 15, 2013 at 11:25 am #

          I somewhat agree, but its a different medium all together and there are ways to retroll a troll if one is so inclined. Like with google voice, which is a free phone service as you may know. If the boxer found out the trolls phone number he can call and hang up with one click of the mouse. I did that to an old friend and called him like 100 times or more in a short span of time while he was waiting for an important phone call, rendering his phone useless. He had it coming. People that are sensitive to words really should watch out on the internet. I am somewhat sensitive but the benefits of online discussion outweigh the risk of damage to my ego or emotions that may occur. When I don’t want to discuss something anymore, I just kinda move on to the next topic and pretty much say “later bitches”.

    • Unibrow Chic March 14, 2013 at 12:04 am #

      “I think it was on this very site that an article showing that the same
      pain centers of the brain are affected by physical or verbal abuse.”

      Ya know, even though I knew about this research in the context of childhood trauma, I never thought to apply it to this type of situation. You make an excellent observation. I know kids are more vulnerable, etc, but the neurological data does not lie. Sadly, in person, I have a very hard time saying hurtful things to people. Just looking at someone makes me feel connected to them in a sacred, intimate way. But online, this connection does not happen. Regrettably, it is a simple matter to unleash our inner frustrations on what amounts to illuminated formations of letters, without ever having to look into the the eyes of the human being we are hurting. I feel actual discomfort in my chest, and a turning in my stomach, as I let this truth mingle with my memories.

      Thank you for mentioning this. It has humbled me.

      • lazy_friend March 14, 2013 at 11:38 am #

        You seem sensitive and that is fine. The internet is not a safe place for your emotions, its better that you stick away from the comments sections.

    • Guest March 18, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

      Your mother was a barnacle.

    • Guest March 18, 2013 at 2:20 pm #

      Your mother was a barnacle.

  12. Trevor Smith March 12, 2013 at 7:21 pm #

    They sound like idiotic assholes to be honest…Both the troll and person who took the troll way too seriously.

    • lazy_friend March 12, 2013 at 7:42 pm #

      Yeah that’s what I was about to say. Everything online is a battle of words. If someone shows up at my house to confront me face to face, they have to be more stupid than badass. Fighting someone on their turf and on their property is the dumbest thing ever. If anything, use stealth to conduct your revenge.

  13. lazy_friend March 12, 2013 at 7:44 pm #

    Seems like narcissistic rage. Its dumb. I am not scared of a boxer which is a limited sport in a street fight. I can handle some dude trying to beat me up with a simple pocket knife and maybe some pepper spray. Leave the online conflict online. If you don’t like what people are saying delete the comment or don’t read it. I am definitely even more argumentative and aggressive in real life, which is something I am not proud of. But if my physical safety is being threatened, I turn up the heat. The only thing I am afraid of, is the police getting involved and legal bullshit. No man is really scared of any other single man in an 1 to 1 confrontation. Violence is so obsolete. If someone comes to my house to try to beat me up face to face without any stealth or subtlety, they are basically committing suicide

    • mannyfurious March 13, 2013 at 12:32 pm #

      Yeah, with weapons, you would have a good chance against a boxer. But don’t underestimate the skills of someone who trains specifically to punch people in the face. Even if his skill set is “limited” he still has much more practice in similar situations than you probably would. As a wrestler by trade, my skill set is also limited. But back when I would get into fights in college, it always surprised me how weak most people are. Even guys I were afraid to fight with because of their physique or reputation, once I got my hands on them, they had absolutely no clue what to with themselves or with me. It was typically surprisingly easy. And I don’t say any of that to sound tough, or to boost my internet ego points. I’m actually ashamed of my previous behavior. But it taught me something about most people. And that is that most people cannot properly defend themselves in a street fight.

      I agree about the narcissistic rage and how dumb the whole thing was. That’s how I’d describe my past.

      • Ted Heistman March 13, 2013 at 1:53 pm #

        Well, most middle class people can’t or are unwilling to fight, but you can find plenty who do in a redneck bar, or in the ghetto. You will find people who will throw their lives away for not much at all. So really its not worth getting in a fight with people like that.

        I still think its good to be able to defend yourself. But the fact is, if a person has a knife you can get fucked up really bad really quick.

        I think in a way you almost have to be among friends or peers of some kind to get in a regular fight.

        I also think in between being a wimp that would tolerate and submit to anything to save his skin, and a thug willing to throw his life away for nothing, is kind of a Golden mean.

        Even Ghandi said that you csan’t be a true Pacifist if you are afraid to fight.

      • Ted Heistman March 13, 2013 at 1:53 pm #

        Well, most middle class people can’t or are unwilling to fight, but you can find plenty who do in a redneck bar, or in the ghetto. You will find people who will throw their lives away for not much at all. So really its not worth getting in a fight with people like that.

        I still think its good to be able to defend yourself. But the fact is, if a person has a knife you can get fucked up really bad really quick.

        I think in a way you almost have to be among friends or peers of some kind to get in a regular fight.

        I also think in between being a wimp that would tolerate and submit to anything to save his skin, and a thug willing to throw his life away for nothing, is kind of a Golden mean.

        Even Ghandi said that you csan’t be a true Pacifist if you are afraid to fight.

        • mannyfurious March 13, 2013 at 4:49 pm #

          Well, I grew up in a “Barrio” which is basically a ghetto for people who speak Spanish. and I agree and disagree with you. From my experience, the truly violent would just as soon shoot you, stab you or hit you multiple times in the head with a blunt object until your head is split in half and you’re shitting yourself. They don’t waste too much time with the whole “mano y mano” thing.

          Then there are some people who like to act tough, and these are the kinds of guys who like to get into fights. For a long time I was afraid to get into a fight with these people because they had reputations for hurting others. But alcohol makes a man do crazy things, and I quickly learned that most of those people don’t really know how to fight either (I can’t speak too much about “rednecks,” but I imagine they too are just human beings and not natural-born gods of the fisticuffs.). They’re just aggressive as hell, and once you slap a RNC on a motherfucker, it doesn’t matter if he’s willing to fight to the death, because he’ll be asleep in no time (the whole thing never ceased to shock me, because I’m actually quite petrified of physical conflict, but I’ve typically come out on top, against guys who seemed to be much more eager to have a fight than myself.).

          I agree that it is good to know how to defend yourself. I also agree that a knife is bad news. Although I once took a 4 hour knife defense course in college one boring weekend, and I feel fairly comfortable disarming a person armed with a knife, provided they aren’t trained themselves in knife tactics.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 4:57 pm #

            If they are attacking you and on the offensive, its one thing to try to disarm them or actually run back a bit. But if you are in a defensive position and the person is rushing you, the chances are slim that the knife wont slice or penetrate some body part. And it does not take much for someone to bleed out if they don’t immediate medical attention. To me, a knife is a defensive weapon that’s where its most effective. A gun can be both.

          • mannyfurious March 13, 2013 at 5:17 pm #

            Yeah, that seems like a fair assessment. Honestly, when I picture a knife attack in my mind, I always assume the person holding the knife is the aggressor. Certainly, if a person were not so aggressive, it would make things significantly more dangerous.

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 5:21 pm #

            I am sure you can at least prevent the first few blows of a knife if someone is attacking you and you are focused on the situation. Its a defensive weapons and in my opinion more women should carry at least one sharp blade that is easy to access. Not at all times as that is excessive but when they are in unfamiliar or public places

          • emperorreagan March 14, 2013 at 10:36 am #

            Knives are not defensive weapons. You can choose to use them to counter attack or choose to be aggressive, but choosing to use them in the former case doesn’t make them defensive.

            It’s also problematic for the following reasons:
            1. You have to be committed to its use. The only people who are easy to disarm are those who aren’t committed to the strike/are just using a weapon as a threat display. If you’re not committed to its use, you’re liable to get disarmed by a committed attacker.

            2. Drawing a weapon isn’t easy. You have to identify the threat and deploy the weapon quickly. Deploy it too early and you’re a criminal brandishing a weapon. Try to deploy it too late and you may not be able to do it at all.

            3. Using a weapon is legally problematic. You need to be aware of when the use of force is appropriate, in particular because a knife is an escalation to lethal force.

            4. Successful use of a weapon will also take a psychological toll.

            The most important thing anyone can do to defend themselves is to be aware: learn about the behavior of criminals and learn about where & when crimes occur. Carrying a weapon is pretty far down the list of most important self-defense precautions.

          • emperorreagan March 14, 2013 at 10:36 am #

            Knives are not defensive weapons. You can choose to use them to counter attack or choose to be aggressive, but choosing to use them in the former case doesn’t make them defensive.

            It’s also problematic for the following reasons:
            1. You have to be committed to its use. The only people who are easy to disarm are those who aren’t committed to the strike/are just using a weapon as a threat display. If you’re not committed to its use, you’re liable to get disarmed by a committed attacker.

            2. Drawing a weapon isn’t easy. You have to identify the threat and deploy the weapon quickly. Deploy it too early and you’re a criminal brandishing a weapon. Try to deploy it too late and you may not be able to do it at all.

            3. Using a weapon is legally problematic. You need to be aware of when the use of force is appropriate, in particular because a knife is an escalation to lethal force.

            4. Successful use of a weapon will also take a psychological toll.

            The most important thing anyone can do to defend themselves is to be aware: learn about the behavior of criminals and learn about where & when crimes occur. Carrying a weapon is pretty far down the list of most important self-defense precautions.

          • lazy_friend March 14, 2013 at 11:09 am #

            First, In a life or death situation I don’t really care about legal concern dude. Second, drawing a boot knife is easy as pie. Third, if you are not committed to use, that is your problem. Fourth, being dead also takes on a psychological toll. If some dood is trying to attack me and we are both alone with no surveillance, how is anyone going to prove it, if I don’t stab the guy? I had some big guy try to beat me up over my car blocking a narrow one way in front of my condo, he was walking into my condo, high and mighty, so I pull a huge bread knife from the block and just looked at him with the knife waist high. The bloke ran out crying and when police showed up he didn’t say anything about it. I agree that awareness is the most important factor when talking about self defense, but we are human and sometimes we can’t avoid criminals and have to man up. You are taking things out of context, we were talking about when an attack is imminent, as some person showing up at your house. I rather show my knife to some bully who thinks he is going to beat me up because he is bigger than to have to go to fisticuffs. A fist can also be a deadly weapon. There is nothing criminal about taking a knife out if you are not attacking/instigating anybody while just trying to defend yourself, and a criminal is not about to call the police because you took a blade out. A knife is most effective in a defensive stance. You didn’t give me any reason other wise. Rushing someone with a knife is way more difficult as they can run from you, but when someone is rushing you its easier to apply the knife effectively. It hard to disarm someone but not impossible and in a life or death scenario its not wise to feel less than confident. If crime was only contained to seedy areas, our police budget would be a lot smaller, plus a knife is important for emergencies too and wilderness survival. I rather be in jail than dead. If can’t use discernment wisely you have lost the battle already, but to say a knife is not a defensive weapon, without giving reasons as to why, and going on a tandem about self defense regulations, is a waste of my time.

          • emperorreagan March 14, 2013 at 12:52 pm #

            Your statement recommends women carry a knife for self defense, not just using a knife when an attack is immanent. If you choose to carry a knife, you need to weigh the issues I listed, as well as other practical issues you note in this response (useful, emergencies), prior to making the decision to stick a knife in your pocket or boot. Carrying a knife with the intent to use it for self-defense isn’t a trivial decision.

            Brandishing a weapon is a crime in most jurisdictions. Drawing a weapon prior to any actual attack makes you the aggressor in many jurisdictions. Perhaps you don’t care about the legal repercussions of a situation, which is a choice you can make, but it’s something people should be aware of if they’re choosing to carry a weapon and thinking about how it would be used for self-defense. Being able to discern the difference between a life-and-death situation or fisticuffs is important. Choosing wrong can land you in jail instead of on the end of a broken nose.

            Assuming that no one else is watching or that there is no surveillance isn’t reasonable. Will a criminal call the police? Maybe not, but that’s not an assumption you can make – perhaps you’ve misjudged a situation, perhaps they’re not a “criminal” and just some jerk in a rage at the time. If the police show up at some point and there’s video or witness indicating you pulled a knife, then you’re probably not going to be in a good position. You could find yourself on the end of an aggravated assault charge.

            Drawing a weapon takes time. With no pressure, it’ll take you a couple of seconds to bend down and pull a knife out of a boot (which also telegraphs what you’re doing to your assailant). Under pressure, it’ll take most people longer. If you’re trying to draw it after an attack has been initiated, then you may find yourself in trouble – overwhelmed while you’re fiddling around trying to deploy a weapon rather than fighting back.

            Someone entering your home is a completely different and unrelated scenario, both legally and tactically, then encountering someone elsewhere. If you’ve left your car blocking an alley and your condo door sitting wide open so someone can come in to assault you, you’ve made a huge tactical error.

            Attacking someone with a knife is very effective and hard to defend. I’m not sure what scenario you’re imagining, where you’re out in the open and someone is rushing at you so that you can just turn and run. An effective attacker is either going to catch you unaware, or they’re going to corner you before the attack (which is why learning situational awareness is important – Is somebody mirroring you & closing distance as you walk to your car or your door, for instance).

            A knife is most effective in a fighting stance. I don’t know what distinction you make between a defensive and an offensive stance. If you’re using a knife to defend yourself, then you’re going to be using it to either strike or counter strike your opponent. You may let them close the distance and you may be using it in self-defense, but it’s not a defense like a block or a shield. You’re not going to wave it around and magically make a determined attacker go away. It’s an offensive tool.

          • lazy_friend March 16, 2013 at 12:09 am #

            you are not seeing the forest for the trees. You can most definitely take a knife out to stop someone from hitting you as using a fist is using a dangerous weapon and most judges will side with the women if she has not had anything on her record. A defensive stance is standing your ground and a lot of states have a stand your ground rule as well law with the treyvon incident in Florida If you are using a knife to strike first than or rush first than its not self defense. If people can’t draw their own weapon its their problem, a boot knife does not have to be drawn before an attack, it can be drawn when an assailant is on top of you in case of rape, and at that point you are well in the area of where deadly force is allowed. If you don’t like knives fine that’s your opinion. But don’t try to write a filibuster and force your opinion on me. You said it your self ” I suggested that women carry knives” I am not forcing them to. I know I carry several where ever I go. A shield is cumbersome and not practice in modern life and a block is not the only thing that can be considered as defensive. A lot of proponents of everyday knife carry state from experience that showing a big knife to an attacker can make them go away and the show of deadly force is one of the best aspect of knife carry. I didn’t leave my car blocking the alley unattended fool, my mother was in the car waiting for me when the dude stepped out of his car and started walking into my condo after arguments, its not a tactical error, it was something that happened in the matter of seconds and I acted in the best way I could. Sorry sir but you are just using rhetoric trying to make a point that knives are not useful as a defensive weapon and making a bunch of erroneous and irrelevant statements. A jerk in a rage is a criminal if they are attacking someone. Seems like you have never really been interested in knives and never have carried and used one in a self defense situation. If you want to run all the legal ramifications around your head as some guy is coming in to punch you in the face and violate your space that is your problem, you can choose to run away and that’s the best response at first but if he tries to follow you, you have an obligation to defend yourself regardless of the legal ramifications that might occur. No one should have to resort to fistacuffs with some idiot. Most knives can be opened one hand and should be carried in the pocket or a belt or ideally a boot . If you can reach your knife you will resort to fighting back anyway. How is anyone going to use a knife if an attack in imminent if they don’t have the knife there in the first place? I massachusetts a pocket knife is pretty much the only self defense weapon you can carry beside a gun or registered pepper spray. If you are going to be scared of defending yourself you already lost the battle. I a criminal calls the police, he is doing me a favor and I can run away and just ditch the knife if nothing happened, just because someone says someone has a knife does not mean its true and without a record to back that behavior up and the knife as evidence there is no case. In most cases the criminal is the one that is going to have the record, and I will be the one calling the police to report an attack. Hope you liked the lesson in knife carrying tactics because you are obviously trolling or seriously misguided about knife tactics and their uses. Do me a favor and don’t comment on my posts anymore with this overstated irrelevant garbage, full of logical fallacies that are too numerous to even state , its a waste of my time and I will not respond. Go do something else with your time scrub. Go read the legislation on knife carry and self defense before you come trying to change someones mind and fill it with doubt. The police wont protect you and even can’t for many reason, so its your duty to do it, and a knife one of the best weapons and most reasonable weapons for it that or a portable laser that can make a spot the size of a baseball that will blind from 300 yards away. Now tell me that I can’t reach a laser in my pocket and flick a switch in time to defend myself from a head on attacker? The only thing that can prevent me or almost anyone else from doing that is an ambush, but thats where the awareness you briefly talk about as the only thing that can protect you come in, as with awareness I would not let myself be ambushed unless the motherfucker is spider man handing under a dark overhang. Guns are hard to draw but not impossible if they are in a proper holster, but a boot knife is very very easy to draw even if you telegraph you will get it out in time to poke a hole in someone. spring assisted and automatic knifes are also very easy to open if they are on their clip hanging out of your pocket. You act like most people are not dexterous and thats just not true, women have more dexterity than most men and thats a fact. With a little train and visual exercise one can be very capable of defending themselves. You prepare yourself and act accordingly and take care of the legal ramifications later when your physical being is safe, that is what defense lawyers are there for, that’s why criminals use them all the time. It seems like you have tendencies to want to impose yourself on women and don’t want them being armed to protect themselves. You posts are totally bogus and lacking is credibility and clear understanding of the laws while understating the importance of a blade and what it can do in various emergency situations. If it was not for the cutting tool we would not be anywhere near where we are as humans and thats is a pretty good track record. And will advocate everyday carry until someone concrete comes to prove me otherwise, but your statements just were not that concrete evidence. Good day

          • lazy_friend March 16, 2013 at 12:09 am #

            you are not seeing the forest for the trees. You can most definitely take a knife out to stop someone from hitting you as using a fist is using a dangerous weapon and most judges will side with the women if she has not had anything on her record. A defensive stance is standing your ground and a lot of states have a stand your ground rule as well law with the treyvon incident in Florida If you are using a knife to strike first than or rush first than its not self defense. If people can’t draw their own weapon its their problem, a boot knife does not have to be drawn before an attack, it can be drawn when an assailant is on top of you in case of rape, and at that point you are well in the area of where deadly force is allowed. If you don’t like knives fine that’s your opinion. But don’t try to write a filibuster and force your opinion on me. You said it your self ” I suggested that women carry knives” I am not forcing them to. I know I carry several where ever I go. A shield is cumbersome and not practice in modern life and a block is not the only thing that can be considered as defensive. A lot of proponents of everyday knife carry state from experience that showing a big knife to an attacker can make them go away and the show of deadly force is one of the best aspect of knife carry. I didn’t leave my car blocking the alley unattended fool, my mother was in the car waiting for me when the dude stepped out of his car and started walking into my condo after arguments, its not a tactical error, it was something that happened in the matter of seconds and I acted in the best way I could. Sorry sir but you are just using rhetoric trying to make a point that knives are not useful as a defensive weapon and making a bunch of erroneous and irrelevant statements. A jerk in a rage is a criminal if they are attacking someone. Seems like you have never really been interested in knives and never have carried and used one in a self defense situation. If you want to run all the legal ramifications around your head as some guy is coming in to punch you in the face and violate your space that is your problem, you can choose to run away and that’s the best response at first but if he tries to follow you, you have an obligation to defend yourself regardless of the legal ramifications that might occur. No one should have to resort to fistacuffs with some idiot. Most knives can be opened one hand and should be carried in the pocket or a belt or ideally a boot . If you can reach your knife you will resort to fighting back anyway. How is anyone going to use a knife if an attack in imminent if they don’t have the knife there in the first place? I massachusetts a pocket knife is pretty much the only self defense weapon you can carry beside a gun or registered pepper spray. If you are going to be scared of defending yourself you already lost the battle. I a criminal calls the police, he is doing me a favor and I can run away and just ditch the knife if nothing happened, just because someone says someone has a knife does not mean its true and without a record to back that behavior up and the knife as evidence there is no case. In most cases the criminal is the one that is going to have the record, and I will be the one calling the police to report an attack. Hope you liked the lesson in knife carrying tactics because you are obviously trolling or seriously misguided about knife tactics and their uses. Do me a favor and don’t comment on my posts anymore with this overstated irrelevant garbage, full of logical fallacies that are too numerous to even state , its a waste of my time and I will not respond. Go do something else with your time scrub. Go read the legislation on knife carry and self defense before you come trying to change someones mind and fill it with doubt. The police wont protect you and even can’t for many reason, so its your duty to do it, and a knife one of the best weapons and most reasonable weapons for it that or a portable laser that can make a spot the size of a baseball that will blind from 300 yards away. Now tell me that I can’t reach a laser in my pocket and flick a switch in time to defend myself from a head on attacker? The only thing that can prevent me or almost anyone else from doing that is an ambush, but thats where the awareness you briefly talk about as the only thing that can protect you come in, as with awareness I would not let myself be ambushed unless the motherfucker is spider man handing under a dark overhang. Guns are hard to draw but not impossible if they are in a proper holster, but a boot knife is very very easy to draw even if you telegraph you will get it out in time to poke a hole in someone. spring assisted and automatic knifes are also very easy to open if they are on their clip hanging out of your pocket. You act like most people are not dexterous and thats just not true, women have more dexterity than most men and thats a fact. With a little train and visual exercise one can be very capable of defending themselves. You prepare yourself and act accordingly and take care of the legal ramifications later when your physical being is safe, that is what defense lawyers are there for, that’s why criminals use them all the time. It seems like you have tendencies to want to impose yourself on women and don’t want them being armed to protect themselves. You posts are totally bogus and lacking is credibility and clear understanding of the laws while understating the importance of a blade and what it can do in various emergency situations. If it was not for the cutting tool we would not be anywhere near where we are as humans and thats is a pretty good track record. And will advocate everyday carry until someone concrete comes to prove me otherwise, but your statements just were not that concrete evidence. Good day

          • emperorreagan March 16, 2013 at 5:06 pm #

            24 states have some fashion of stand your ground laws, with varying degrees of who has to prove what and under what circumstances. Who is the aggressor, whether its self-defense or a choice to engage in mutual combat, and what role the choice to use a weapon plays will also vary.

            In most cases the criminal is the one who is going to have the record? Where are you going that you encounter so many criminals who are going to attack you head on? Have you ever studied criminal behavior, or is life just a street fight where there are endless villains charging you with their fists? If that’s actually the case, maybe you should examine your own behavior.

            I generally have no problem with weapons. I have a problem with people who think they’re magic. I have a problem when people extend anecdotes about someone running away from a knife or running away from racking a shotgun shell to actually be tactics. Only a fool doesn’t consider the totality of a scenario before choosing what actions to take. You don’t consider things in the moment – you consider long in advance what the scenario is and how you would respond. If you determine that a weapon is necessary to defend yourself, then you consider long in advance the legal ramifications of carrying said weapon. You practice drawing your weapon. You practice using your weapon. You practice retaining your weapon against someone seeking to disarm you. Imagining things has nothing to do with it. Asserting that people are dexterous has nothing to do with it.

            Frankly, I think you specifically shouldn’t be allowed anywhere near a weapon, because if what you posted in this thread is reflective of your behavior in real life, then you’re the sort of person that escalates situations to violent confrontations. Do you carry a knife to hold up your ego? I guess it takes what, 3, since you carry multiple knives at all times?

            Feel free to point out my fallacious arguments. Here’s a list of fallacies: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies

            Of course, if you wish to drop the topic then you don’t need to write a rebuttal. Or you can continue resort to childish accusations that I don’t want women to be able to protect themselves.

          • lazy_friend March 18, 2013 at 9:38 pm #

            How is a knife going to protect my ego? Which is a abstract non physical concept? I carry knives because I like them and have found them to be effective in a self defense situations. How do you know I am the kind that escalates to violence? You have figured out everything in your own mind it seems but you are not giving me any way of protecting myself that is better than a knife. I live in a high crime area where people have been known to jump you over nothing. No one has time to practice knife fighting when all you need is one stab to deter an attack. If someone attacks me and threatens to attack me yes I will pull out my knife, I am not going to let any knock me out because I feel compassion. If you don’t like my tactics fine, but don’t try to debunk it without giving me a better tactic. You are the one trying to feed your ego by arguing with me, you know it, I know it. You don’t take instinct into account, it does not take a master to use a knife, but if you don’t have one with you, you can use it at all. You can act like you know it all and type better than me or whatever. I happen to be suffering for an acute bout of tendinitis so I try to keep it to a minimum but this bullshit spurred me on. First of all I was in a conversation with someone else, and you just jumped in throwing the fucking book at me as if I never used a fucking knife in my life, that’s not classy or polite at all. I also tend to agree with people if their argument is reasonable but you just seem to want to force it, and I am not cool with that. Learn boundaries bro and proper etiquette. By saying a knife is not a defensive weapon you pretty much said I was lying and totally clueless about what I wrote a whole fucking paragraph to, do I seem that dumb to you? That I am just talking out of my ass? To gain what? Learn some respect. Don’t be a total douche bag. You crossed the line and I called you out on it. I generally have no problem with people arguing but I can sense the superiority complex you carry. Was I supposed to agree with you in every term you gave for you to be content? Just because you argument was no convincing and didnt get a response you wanted. I carry a knife everyday I ponder on its uses, I am not coming from just seeing some post on the internet and writing a counter point on the fly because I think I know better. In fact, I dont know where you care coming from and what you motivation is. If you don’t like that I said that knives are a defense weapon fine but they sure are not an effective offensive weapon with fucking guns all over the place. Do you write better than I do? most likely. Do you have more experience handling a knife for self defense and everyday carry? most definitely not. I don’t get why you are so confident that your argument wont have any fallacies. No case is ever shut and without its flaws. Maybe you do think I am intellectually inferior and can’t figure it out. This is not the type of writing needed here. We were trying to discourage ted from fighting because he is aggressive. I am not aggressive physically in real life and I carry a knife mostly because I have a rotator cuff tear and it gives me a sense of security, since I wont be able to fend anyone off for long if my shoulder suddenly freezes. I feel that sense of security and it makes my handicap less serious in a self defense situation. The same type of security a woman should feel next to blokes bigger than they are and possibly dumber. Weapons are not magick but they are practical and a lot of people do use them effectively even without much training, because we do have instinct and intuition regardless of some might say. People use them to attack and to defend themselves. I am sorry, but your arguments even being extremely well articulated wont change what I experience everyday of my life. I didnt think ignoring you would do you justice. It would either make you feel like you won an argument you didnt, or make it seem like you are not worthy of my attention which is simply not true. But you made me feel like I am not worthy of your attention which is why I told you to stay away from my posts. It is what it is. I am not going to edit because my hands hurt. good day

          • emperorreagan March 19, 2013 at 11:43 am #

            I have carried a knife every day for years. I think they’re useful tools. I’ve also trained with knives for years in martial arts – and discussed the legal implications of use in class with cops and lawyers. I have sat on a jury where the defendant used a knife in self defense and seen the issue within a courtroom.

            Ted being aggressive isn’t relevant to me, I had no interest in that debate. I jumped into this argument only because you said you recommend that women carry knives – which I assume to mean that you actively recommend it to people, not just theoretically here. That’s why I “threw the book at you.” It’s one thing to make a choice for yourself. If you are making recommendations to others, then you should be going the extra mile to inform them about the implications of that choice. Part of that are the issues that I listed in my posts, which you were quick to dismiss or to level accusations that I was saying people lacked dexterity or shouldn’t protect themselves.

            There are practical, legal, and psychological issues to consider with using any weapon. If you’re making the recommendation to someone that they should carry a knife for self-defense, the least you can do is lay them out for them. You may have considered them for yourself, but the person you’re recommending the weapon to needs to consider them as well. The time to consider the issues of using a weapon is in advance of choosing to carry a weapon.

            I have no doubt that In your own use you consider your knife to be a self-defense tool. My argument is that being defensive isn’t inherently a property of knives, nor is an onlooker going to necessarily assume that it’s being used defensively. When you look at crime data, knives are used in assaults at a rate on par with guns in the US. Knives are number 2 in murders, though are only used 20% as frequently as guns.

            I apologize for being uncivil and dismissive either here or elsewhere.

      • Ted Heistman March 13, 2013 at 1:53 pm #

        Well, most middle class people can’t or are unwilling to fight, but you can find plenty who do in a redneck bar, or in the ghetto. You will find people who will throw their lives away for not much at all. So really its not worth getting in a fight with people like that.

        I still think its good to be able to defend yourself. But the fact is, if a person has a knife you can get fucked up really bad really quick.

        I think in a way you almost have to be among friends or peers of some kind to get in a regular fight.

        I also think in between being a wimp that would tolerate and submit to anything to save his skin, and a thug willing to throw his life away for nothing, is kind of a Golden mean.

        Even Ghandi said that you csan’t be a true Pacifist if you are afraid to fight.

      • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 3:56 pm #

        well im also trained in martial arts and I know how easy it is to stab someone with a sharp knife if they are attacking me.

        • mannyfurious March 13, 2013 at 4:37 pm #

          That’s why I said “with a weapon, you would have a good chance against a boxer.”

          • lazy_friend March 13, 2013 at 4:52 pm #

            stupid boxer.

  14. Hadrian999 March 12, 2013 at 11:09 pm #

    i remember reading about an internet argument that led to a guy driving cross country(complete with e-mailing photos of “welcome to” state signs and ended in a mobile home being firebombed

  15. Hadrian999 March 12, 2013 at 11:09 pm #

    i remember reading about an internet argument that led to a guy driving cross country(complete with e-mailing photos of “welcome to” state signs and ended in a mobile home being firebombed

    • kowalityjesus March 17, 2013 at 5:21 pm #

      I have don’t think I would be able to be that angry for such a long period of time. It is a convenient thing to be a Christian and to have an inherent propensity to forgive and forget.

  16. echar March 12, 2013 at 11:38 pm #

    This belongs here

    DVDA – Now You’re A Man

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9HSj-2shbqY

  17. jnana March 12, 2013 at 11:39 pm #

    It’s a case of people taking themselves too seriously and not taking others serious enough. We could save ourselves and the world from a lot of, if not all, unnecessary stress if we followed those 2 rules:
    Don’t take yerself seriously.
    Take other people more serious(in the right context, of course)

  18. InfvoCuernos March 12, 2013 at 11:54 pm #

    Somebody needs to get Mary’s address.

  19. InfvoCuernos March 12, 2013 at 11:54 pm #

    Somebody needs to get Mary’s address.

    • Matt Staggs March 14, 2013 at 11:39 am #

      See, quips like these are what makes me hate to delete the spam. Hilarious.

  20. InfvoCuernos March 13, 2013 at 12:01 am #

    Internet fights are like road rage. People have all kinds of balls when they think there aren’t any consequences. I had a reverse situation where I called someone out in person and they refused to stand up, and then a week later when I was on the other side of the country they got online and started talking shit. Fortunately there were many witnesses to the “live” event so he looked like a total chickenshit. I was told once that the best way to settle anything is to sue because violence never solves problems-I was told this by a cop with his hand resting casually on his gun. Some shit really does need force to fix, but probably no where near the amount of shit our gonads tell us.

  21. InfvoCuernos March 13, 2013 at 12:01 am #

    Internet fights are like road rage. People have all kinds of balls when they think there aren’t any consequences. I had a reverse situation where I called someone out in person and they refused to stand up, and then a week later when I was on the other side of the country they got online and started talking shit. Fortunately there were many witnesses to the “live” event so he looked like a total chickenshit. I was told once that the best way to settle anything is to sue because violence never solves problems-I was told this by a cop with his hand resting casually on his gun. Some shit really does need force to fix, but probably no where near the amount of shit our gonads tell us.

    • Calypso_1 March 17, 2013 at 6:40 pm #

      I had a situation, though not ending up in court, went through a pretty viscous dance in the system (the other guy was a lawyer). He kept trying to provoke me to violence (to his advantage). As I gave him more & more rope however, the incidents became more absurd & dramatic. In the final instance of filing many police reports the officer told both of us, with hand on gun, that I had every right to defend myself, family & property from this individual in any future interactions. There have been none.

  22. Matt Staggs March 13, 2013 at 11:03 am #

    Everyone put their e-peens back in their trousers, please.

    • obsidianobelisk March 23, 2013 at 3:51 pm #

      Shhh, Matt, you’re only provoking them.

  23. uncle gilly March 15, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

    Stupid on both sides, however the fighter is lucky. Had he tried that in the U.S. and been so blatant, I have no doubt he would have ended with a bullet in his head. unfortuneately I aint kidding. ” leave people alone” really good advice.

  24. uncle gilly March 15, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

    Stupid on both sides, however the fighter is lucky. Had he tried that in the U.S. and been so blatant, I have no doubt he would have ended with a bullet in his head. unfortuneately I aint kidding. ” leave people alone” really good advice.

  25. uncle gilly March 15, 2013 at 9:33 pm #

    Stupid on both sides, however the fighter is lucky. Had he tried that in the U.S. and been so blatant, I have no doubt he would have ended with a bullet in his head. unfortuneately I aint kidding. ” leave people alone” really good advice.

  26. tomasiepants March 21, 2013 at 1:05 am #

    No. Not a win. Could have backfired on Curtis.

  27. Mary March 22, 2013 at 4:36 pm #

    I’d troll the shit outta Matt Staggs if it meant he’d show up to my house. Then I would offer him a beer and we would draw pictures and he’d say – hey youre cool – and we’d worship the reptilian overlords together wearing spongebob beach towels. Holy shit. I think I listen to too much Duncan Trussell.

    • Matt Staggs March 22, 2013 at 5:41 pm #

      Sounds like a typical day. I’m there.

      • Mary March 23, 2013 at 3:02 pm #

        sweet, I’ll get the beer.

  28. ThirdSection March 22, 2013 at 11:02 pm #

    If all Internet trolls got visited by boxers, the world would be a much better place for it. Maybe the UN could implement a program?

  29. Brrrap March 23, 2013 at 1:36 pm #

    Reminds me of Jay & Silent Bob

  30. James Smith March 25, 2013 at 8:02 pm #

    I have had people challenge me more than once. I offer to meet them so they can say it to my face. I even offer to pay there way from wherever they are to where I am.

    Only one actually showed up. Too bad for him.

  31. Guest March 26, 2013 at 2:10 am #

    I think the boxer is being a jerk. Learn to take a joke. Enjoy prison, douche.

  32. merkabaconvent@yahoo.com March 26, 2013 at 2:12 am #

    The boxer is being an insecure douchebag. Learn to take a joke. Also, enjoy prison, as this behavior will get you there fast.

  33. psychodark April 11, 2013 at 9:25 am #

    he should have burned jimmy’s house down

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