Are Alex Jones’ Conspiracy Theories Beyond the Pale?

The Los Angeles Times is running a poll of its online readers and the scary thing is that only 60% of them are voting “yes” (so far – you can vote too!)

Screen Shot 2013-04-19 at 3.26.01 PM David Horsey writes the accompanying article explaining why the number should be closer to 100%:

Usually, it would be best to ignore conspiracy-mongers such as Alex Jones and not reward him and his angry gaggle of paranoiac followers with any sort of attention. But, in a week when thoughts of the dead and maimed victims of the Boston Marathon bombings weigh heavy on the hearts and minds of most Americans, it is worth pointing out what a worthless waste of skin and bones Jones and his minions happen to be.

Nearly as soon as I heard about the bombings on Monday, I was certain that somewhere in the nutty right-wing blogosphere someone was already concocting a storyline that would blame the crime on President Obama and the federal government. Alex Jones came through with impressive rapidity.

Jones runs a radio show from Austin, Texas. He describes himself as a libertarian and an “aggressive constitutionalist.” The Southern Poverty Law Center says he has stirred up racial animus “to appeal to the fears of the antigovernment Patriot movement.” He certainly appeals to fear. Jones asserts that both the Oklahoma City bombing and the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks were perpetrated by the U.S. government as part of a scheme to promote a New World Order through “exploitable hysteria.”

So it is no surprise that he is now pushing the idea that the Boston bombings were the nefarious handiwork of federal agents…

[continues at the Los Angeles Times]

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  • Ittabena

    I voted. Bet you can’t guess which way…

    • Ittabena

      test

  • believein1

    Putting Jones’ name in their doesn’t help the cause

  • eric82

    a Disinfo author is quoting an article that quotes the SPLC, which, in turn, lists other Disinfo authors (guess which one … http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/summer/meet-the-patriots?page=0,2) as extremists … I think this is some kind of temporal loop

    • Calypso_1

      Guess, hmmm…by ‘author’ did you mean gimboid?

      • Daenerys_Targaryen

        Didn’t Mike Moynihan used to have something to do with Disinfo? Just curious…

        • Calypso_1

          The appellation was not directed at him.
          His views are too nuanced to draw ire or derision from me.

          • Daenerys_Targaryen

            I like Blood Axis, its just that Moynihan had something to do with Disinfo didn’t he, and anti-rascis’ don;’t like him.

          • Calypso_1

            I am not aware of any contributions beyond ‘Book of Lies’.
            Race, as you know, is a complex & devisive subject that few engage without reverting to default sensitivities.

  • Aipeed Teaitchse

    Alex Jones claims again and again that catastrophes such as this are exploited by the government in order to bring us closer to a police state. Look at the streets of Boston right now. The whole area is on lock down and militarized police are going door to door searching everyone’s home and car with their eyes in the sight of assault rifles while blackhawk helicopters circle the area. If you don’t see how this is desensitizing the people in uniforms to treating citizens as hostile or desensitizing the public to the reality of a police state, and if you buy the official story of the wtc, okc, and 7/7 attacks then you’re the one drinking the kool-aid. Most Americans still haven’t realized CISPA passed the house because the Boston bombing is absorbing all the coverage. Meanwhile the LA Times pushes the scenario that Obama will Veto CISPA if it passes – do you believe that? It’s probably going to get passed in the senate next week while everyone is still distracted so I guess we’ll see. The LA Times repeats the official narrative just like every other mainstream media source and the reason they and dozens of others are demonizing Alex Jones (as a rat, does that remind you of any historically significant propaganda?) means they’re scared because more people are tuning into alternative media. This article was written for people that never heard of him before who still believe in the false left/right wing paradigm so they can dismiss him as a ‘neo-confederate-bully-slandering-kook’ before actually listening to what he has to say. The last thing I ever wanted to believe was that we were being lied to about 9/11, but AJ was saying it right away. It made me feel angry, but as more details came to light, the official story became less and less believable, but to this day no mainstream media outlet dares question the official version of events in any way. Was the Bostom attack perpetrated by two Chechnyans with no understandable motive? Was a private international security force with punisher skull patches standing around the area with large black backpacks? Will Americans have less liberty next week than they did last week? Think critically and don’t shut out one news source just because another news source wants to spoon-feed you what you’re supposed to think.

    • http://www.bethywilliams.com/ Bethy Williams

      The media isn’t “demonizing” him, they’re mostly ignoring him. No one is listening to him because he doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I don’t know where you are but I have to assume it’s not anywhere near Boston because then you would realize that what Alex Jones is saying is so far removed from reality it’s possible that he thinks the city of Boston is a figment of his imagination, and, you know, I have to say the same for your description of the atmosphere in Boston.

      People in Watertown and Cambridge are not being told what to think by the media, they are witnessing the unfolding events with their own eyes. People who are not direct witnesses to the events are, by and large, getting their information directly from friends and family, social media and police scanners, not the news media. Your vision of gullible, stupid Bostonians surrendering to a police state and a web of media lies is incredibly silly, and, frankly, offensive.

      And by the way, your use of the phrase “drink the Kool-Aid” is also offensive. It’s insulting to the people of Jonestown who, far from being willing participants in mass suicide, were forced at gunpoint to drink the drink that killed them. Now who is repeating a media lie?

      • Free Radio Revolution

        The media is ABSOLUTELY demonizing him… Maybe you haven’t been haven’t been paying attention. And the people in those towns are being terrorized by their own state largely….

        • Calypso_1

          He demonizes himself.

        • http://www.bethywilliams.com/ Bethy Williams

          The people in those towns are being terrorized? What in the world are you talking about? Have you ever even been there? You know, I was walking around Central Square the day after the marathon bombing and the most notable thing to me was how normal everything was. I don’t know exactly what you’re accusing the Commonwealth of Massachusetts of doing by way of “terrorizing”, but the idea that the people of Greater Boston are being terrorized, or that they even could be terrorized, is, as they say, so absurd as to be laughable.

        • Guest

          And perhaps you don’t know the difference between “demonizing” and “insulting”. But no one here is doing either, we just don’t give a damn about him.

        • Unibrow Chic

          His entire career is premised on demonizing any other source of information other than the voices in his head. If he can’t take the heat, he is welcome to leave the kitchen.

        • nubwaxer

          he cries all the way to the bank with the money he rakes in from his wacko army of followers.

      • Matt Staggs

        Ahem. Flavor Aid.

        • http://www.bethywilliams.com/ Bethy Williams

          Yes, thank you, Matt, it was grape Flavor Aid. I might have mentioned that but I thought I would avoid muddying the waters by sticking to the part I was offended by.

      • Aipeed Teaitchse

        I’m not calling anyone names here, just stating facts. I certainly never said Bostonians are gullible, but the sad reality is that most people are gullible. If that wasn’t true, propaganda wouldn’t work as well as it does. Check out Ed Bernays book on it sometime. “Propaganda is the executive arm of the invisible government.” If you’re in denial about Boston being turned into a police state yesterday, venture onto infowars and check out a feature called battlefield usa – it’s only pictures don’t worry – they’re going door to door and entering people’s homes in that gear. Are we imagining what we see here? Maybe on some deep philosophical level you can make that argument, but without delving too far down the rabbit hole of simulation theory, can we agree that something is wrong here? Can we agree that it’s more than a coincidence that a drill was being conducted at the same time as an identical type of terrorist attack was taking place in the same part of the same city AGAIN? Perhaps we have different definitions of what demonizing means, and that’s fine – i stand by my point nevertheless. Also, my deepest condolences if you lost a weird uncle at Jonestown, but that’s not my problem, and if you’re seriously offended by that cliche phrase go take it up with the 100,000 people that said it before me who I’m essentially quoting when they refer to people that don’t trust their government.

        • http://www.bethywilliams.com/ Bethy Williams

          You’re looking at pictures on Infowars, I actually live here. The vast majority of people I know, love, am friends with, work with or have anything to do with are in Boston. I have friends and/or family who were eyewitnesses to all the major events and was in constant communication with friends in the area throughout the proceedings. I do not know, nor have I seen or heard from a single person from the area who felt like they were “living in a police state”, or who felt in any way bullied or intimidated by the police or any of the other first responders.

          The only houses being searched were in the neighborhood where Dzhokhar Tsarnaev escaped public view. In other words, where a person who was potentially extremely dangerous was PUBLICLY KNOWN to be on the loose to people who had WITNESSED his and his brother’s stand-off with the police right in front of their homes. They were not searching “everyone’s” houses (everyone in Greater Boston? Are you kidding me?). They were searching houses for an extremely obvious reason: because of the very high likelihood that he was either hiding in a home or holding someone hostage (and sure enough, he was hiding in a boat in someone’s driveway). They were wearing protective gear because the kid HAD A BOMB, and because he was THROWING GRENADES and SHOOTING PEOPLE WITH AN ASSAULT RIFLE. Citizens were not being treated with suspicion; it was abundantly clear every step of the way that they were looking for one person and one person only. I don’t know of a single person who objected to the police looking in their homes for a person who had already killed several people and, like I said, had a bomb and might blow them to kingdom come.

          I also think it’s worth mentioning that Watertown and Cambridge are tight-knit communities and a lot of the police officers involved are well-known to the people they were protecting. They were not strangers. Today, the entire neighborhood is buying them drinks. Again, no one is feeling terrorized by the police. During the lockdown, people were staying indoors not because they were afraid of the police, but because they were afraid of a heavily-armed madman who was on the loose. And even then, throughout all the proceedings, there WERE people who were out and about, acting like the order didn’t apply to them. Why? Because it’s impossible to tell people in Boston what to do or make them believe anything, and because the Boston PD are NOT the intimidating kind (if you had ever been to Boston and seen someone standing on the sidewalk arguing with a Boston cop, you would know what I’m talking about). Not exactly the behavior of people who feel terrorized by the authorities.

          These “theories” (and I hestitate to give them the dignity of that name) about a “police state” in Boston seem to increase in popularity the further one gets from the action or any reliable/first-hand information. Ironic that you’re accusing other people of media hypnosis when you’re the one looking at pictures and filling in the blanks (or letting Alex Jones do it for you).

          And as for your choice of words, are YOU not responsible for YOUR actions and what YOU choose to say? Are you seriously saying it’s not your fault, you’re just doing what other people do? Weren’t you trying to make some kind of point about being an independent thinker?

          • Aipeed Teaitchse

            I can’t emphasize enough what a big of a fan of critical thinking I am, especially critical thinking of my critical thinking of someone else’s critical thinking of my critical thinking of a different person’s critical thinking, and on it goes. Now let’s start at the end of your critique and work our way backwards for confusion’s sake.

            By quoting the political commentators who use the phrase ‘drinking the kool-aid’ (which traditionally comes in both blue and red depending on who makes the allegation) to short circuit arguments that they don’t want to have, I wasn’t attempting to align myself with those people, just to turn their own words back on them and the people who trust their opinion of who not to trust.

            Beyond that, 70-80% of the people in Jonestown had injection marks between their shoulder blades, several more had gunshot wounds that couldn’t have been self inflicted, and several members of the CIA and state dept are alleged to have visited the site in Guyana, but I’ll let you draw your own conclusions about whether the massacre, as its known, was a mass suicide or mass murder, just so we can keep the conspiracy theorizing minimal. However I do find it intriguing that both the Boston and Jonestown incidents contain underlying themes of mind…let’s call it Perception control, in the interest of independent thought.

            It’s come out recently that the FBI was informed in 2010 that Tamerlan Tsarnaev traveled to the “Russian region” to join up with a radical Islamic underground group. One common theme of radical underground groups is they tend to have leaders or gurus, not unlike Jim Jones. Recently, we’ve witnessed multiple incidents of terrorist attacks that were not only monitored but facilitated by our own intelligence agents who, acting as guides/friends/gurus gave them materials and instructions (see: Rezwan Ferdaus, Mohamed Osman Mohamud, and Amine El Khalifi). Tsarnaev’s mother told RT today that she believes her son has been “controlled by the FBI” for at least three years. Oh wait, I’m doing it again huh? Guess I can’t help myself.

            Now it’s true I’ve never been to Boston and I want to believe what you say about the independent spirit of Bostonians so I’ll take your word for it. Nevertheless, I just call it like I see it. Militarized police without badges ordering everyone to stay inside while they patrol the streets looks like a sign of things to come – once again – an exercise. Now I did use the word “everyone” when I should have qualified that with “..in the area” or something along those lines. You’ve got my number on the semantic error and thank you for the correction. For the record though it was not the army of police that found the guy, it was a regular citizen that went into his backyard.

            But in the end, the official version of events is what will be in the history books, so maybe Alex Jones is just wasting his breath. Nevermind that he infiltrated the Bohemian Grove’s cremation of care ritual, said Obama was going to do the opposite of what he promised, pointed out that George W and John Kerry were both bonesmen, re-evaluated the official version of WTC and OKC and 7/7, has been talking about the rise of the American/global police state for almost two decades, and basically devotes his life to showing people how the global elite operate, what their long term goals are and have been, and how they are essentially untouchable while the mainstream media and even the left/right pundits completely ignore such issues, because somebody can write him off in a paragraph or a simple sound byte and convince thousands of people to ignore him by saying he’s a kook. Now do I agree with making claims without evidence? Of course not. Typically I shy away from the rants and try to read the source material. But I don’t completely ignore him because I happen to look at every news source I can and I question everything anyone says. All I’m doing is encouraging others to do the same.

          • Calypso_1

            My mother doesn’t know jack shit about anything I’ve been involved with for the past 30 years.

            So this guy’s mommy thinks the FBI controlled him and you are a fan of critical thinking about somebody else’s critical thinking of
            thoughts involving somebody’s thoughts of thinking god knows what; but this of course is as good a place to start as any.

            At least you aren’t into suggesting he was being controlled
            by scalar wave HAARP transmissions, antidepressants or chemtrails. I applaud your dignified restraint. A rare quality in inhabitants of the Prison Planet.

          • The Well Dressed Man

            :)

          • Craig Bickford

            They were searching houses in Watertown that were not near the shoot out area, I just saw a couple videos uploaded to YouTube concerning this. I’m not denouncing the police activities, though their handling of people being removed form their own houses seemed a little extreme, as if all were suspects even the females, but what ever.

          • http://www.bethywilliams.com/ Bethy Williams

            The video you are talking about is being circulated without any context attached, but I can tell you what the context was: the people in the house ran into the basement when the police knocked on the door instead of answering, and kept sneaky-peeking out the windows at them. If you’re on a manhunt for a dangerous suspect and people are acting like they’re trying to hide from you and there’s something really interesting in the basement, making them come out and checking them out is frankly the prudent thing to do. They were NOT going door to door like that, most houses they just knocked on the door and took a quick look around. That’s the problem with pictures and videos, you can just put them up captioned with any crap you want.

          • nubwaxer

            oh please, just stop it already with your simple and reasonable stuff. it wasn’t a cat that knocked the trash can lid off in the dark. it was the lizard people looking to distract you so they could get in and take your guns and bibles who made that unexplained noise in the middle of the night.

      • Guest

        Well said Bethy.

        • http://www.bethywilliams.com/ Bethy Williams

          Thank you. :)

    • Ittabena

      test 2

      Now that’s weird, I just posted a long reply on this and it said I didn’t have permission to post on this thread. Hmm.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMGRVqIz9ko

      We’ll leave it at this then. have to be at work early in the morning.

    • http://twitter.com/RayButlers Ray Butlers

      Alex Jones is not a news source. He is indeed easily dismissed as a neo-confederate bully slandering kook. It scares me that 26 people upvoted your comment and only 4 downvoted it.

    • Unibrow Chic

      Wow. You really have not the foggiest idea what you are talking about. I won’t say much, because Bethy here pretty much said it all and said it well. I know tons of people up there. I grew up there. I’ve talked to lots of them this week – my parents, siblings, friends, etc.. Not one of them voiced any sentiments REMOTELY in line with your completely ignorant prattle. Alex Jones has no clue what’s going on in Boston, and you have slightly less of a clue, using that bozo as a source of ‘information’. And before you attempt to mount some broken down high horse and spout some glib tripe about ‘mainstream, sheep, etc’, save it. I am light years ahead of you on this one. Alex Jones did not invent dissent or critical thinking. He just makes it look ridiculous.

    • Unibrow Chic

      PS- Google “paragraphs”

    • The Well Dressed Man

      Until we see some evidence of a false-flag operation here, this is idle speculation.

      I don’t doubt that the rabbit hole is deeper than most of us are ever going to get close too, and I strongly suspect that covert operations influence the narrative of history pervasively. However, I’m of the opinion that blaming everything on conspiracy is a sign of mental laziness. More so, I feel that efforts to blame everything on one monolithic conspiracy are even more lazy.

      Shrill agitators such as Alex Jones would be a very convenient method for a bona fide conspiracy to channel genuine dissent and inquiry into appearing unreasonable. The condescending tone of referring to the unconverted masses as “sheeple” also serves to isolate this faction from participating in open dialog.

      tl/dr – Jones’ efforts put him beyond the pale because he has become a caricature of a conspiracy theorist.

  • demoniter

    whats scary is that you seem to support and did repost an article that has no journalist value. its one thing to dislike the man but at least attempt to disprove him. with the boston situation it’d be pretty tough to take on Jones main points.

  • http://www.facebook.com/john.jurgens.9 John Jurgens

    The Southern Poverty Law Center . Now there is a reliable source. NOT

    • Daenerys_Targaryen

      SPLC and Alex Jones, they both spew lies and sensationalism.

      • rtb61

        Not always. It is obvious when things quieten down they start making up stuff but often enough there are plenty of greed driven conspiracies floating around for him to attack.

      • http://twitter.com/RayButlers Ray Butlers

        nope. no comparison. Alex Jones is a nut who can be safely ignored. Why bring SPLC into this?

        • Daenerys_Targaryen

          How about the SPLC naming PUAs as a hate movement then? That was hilarious.

          • http://twitter.com/RayButlers Ray Butlers

            whatever a PUA is…God I love google…er…you need to do more research and to be more honest. Lying will get you nowhere with me.

            see for yourself, disinfonauts:
            http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2012/spring/misogyny-the-sites#.UXdGs8q6-jg

          • Daenerys_Targaryen

            Lying will get me nowhere? What about the SPLC’s comical misrepresentation of sites like The Spearhead and the now defunct In Mala Fide blog?

          • http://twitter.com/RayButlers Ray Butlers

            you should read more, honey

          • Daenerys_Targaryen

            I have read more about the SPLC. They’re hilarious.

          • http://twitter.com/RayButlers Ray Butlers

            no surprise that you think that discrimination is funny. no surprise there at all.

          • Daenerys_Targaryen

            Its not the 20th C anymore, people have moved past all that guilt nonsense. Like the long-gone KKK lynchings they sensationalise, the SPLC and its paranoid hysteria is just a relict of a bygone age.

          • http://twitter.com/RayButlers Ray Butlers

            ooookay

    • http://twitter.com/RayButlers Ray Butlers

      well, it’s always nice to hear from the Confederacy and see that it got 6 upvotes

  • rebelphuckers

    I thought disinfo was a safehaven for people who see beyond the veil? What is with these types of articles popping up on disinfo? We get more than enough of this type of article on mainstream news sites, thanks.

    • Free Radio Revolution

      Amen!

    • Calypso_1

      there are veils to see through beyond Alex Jones.

      • rebelphuckers

        I agree, however the content to which I am referring has of late been against “conspiracies” in-general and the arguments that those sorts of contributors use are very childlike and approach the theories from the wrong angle.

        • Calypso_1

          Feel free to counter said arguments when you see them.
          Speaking from my personal view, and those that have been shared with me by other long time denizens of disinfo – we have long and matured experience with conspiratorial mindstates. Jones is a johnny-come-lately whose ‘contributions’ to the genre fall into a category that i indeed would seek shelter from.

        • kowalityjesus

          This may be simply provocation to elicit conversation. You’re right that this article is very MSM, but I think it’s a false dichotomy, Jones vs “TV news.”

    • The Well Dressed Man

      Welcome to the next level. Combinations of information and disinformation are spinning out in real time, constantly accelerating. Everybody has some kind of spin and group loyalty, and works to support their narrative. Watching recent national elections, it’s fascinating how the use of media and statistics allowed the results to be predicted with extreme precision. There are no safe havens.

  • Daenerys_Targaryen

    Indeed their conspiracy ideas are stupid but WTF so is the expectation they be sensitive over the Boston Bombings, when if it weren’t for the news most of America, being unaffected, wouldn’t even know. I don’t know how many people die of violent crime every day in America, but WTF only when its a bombing or a school shooting does the nation grieve lol.

    Oops did I lol?

  • BuzzCoastin

    it’s pretty obvious that one effect of information overload
    is to negate the value of all information in general
    the only way to filter the information overflow
    is to pay attention to only that which is personally useful

    knowing that the Bush family are drug dealing criminals
    or that 911 was an inside job
    does nothing to change the situation
    and only keeps the “truther” locked into a fight with The System
    and therefore not able to escape The System while fighting it

    the best information is information that sets you free

    • Anthony Neilsen

      Very good answer.

  • Andrew

    I take conspiracy theories regarding things like, for example, the JFK assassination seriously because they are based on evidence and discrepancies between it and the official story. I don’t take most conspiracy theories, like most of Jones’, seriously because they are based upon assumptions of motive. Motive, which is usually a projection of the theorist, proves nothing.

    A theory based on motive is evidence of nothing more than the mindset of the theorist.

    • Calypso_1

      well said

  • Christel Platt

    I check info wars at least a few times a day, Id rather listen to him and his “minions” ANY DAY rather than listen to pre-approved mainstream media that some billionaires decided who, what, where and when FOR me…..Alex has passion, and thats something America is lacking these days. I can’t trust my Govt. anymore, I question everything, YOU ALL SHOULD.

    • Ittabena

      “I question everything” Jefferson said that too. but you forgot to question one thing; Jones’ motivation.

      • kowalityjesus

        YES YES YES!

        I saw a youtube video in probably 2007/8 which was an abstract amalgamation of high-production artistic video sequences (hard to explain) which claimed that Jones is “nothing” and he does his thing for cocaine, and ifluence. I would have given it much less thought had I not saved the link and tried to find it months later to discover that it was removed.

    • Calypso_1

      That is NOT passion.
      It is pure unadulterated chicanery.

    • http://www.bethywilliams.com/ Bethy Williams

      You think he’s a trustworthy source because he “has passion”? So you just listen to whoever yells the loudest?

      • The Well Dressed Man

        But he yells so loud into the megaphone… Doesn’t that make him right?

  • Heath

    I equate Jones puppets to people like, home brewers and hobby farmers that produce a fraction of their own consumption. Each think they are better informed and prepared, when in fact they are nothing more than another tier of the same oppressive system..

    • Calypso_1

      : )

  • Free Radio Revolution

    This type of slandering is exactly what the Corporate Media uses on a daily basis to discredit anyone who strays from the “official story”. I rarely listen to AJ but respect the man for sticking to his guns. If the MSM was actually doing their job by serving the people then guys like AJ wouldn’t have a platform to stand on… As it is he’s got way more credibility than the Anderson Coopers of the world.
    I seriously wonder if this site isn’t CIA controlled when I see crap like this surface on it. Alex isn’t the enemy… But he’s doing good work to expose them!

    • Andrew

      I can’t vouch for anyone else, but I’m a CIA agent.

      • Calypso_1

        We decline to comment on any evidence that suggests you are not a CIA agent.

        • Juan

          Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

          • Calypso_1

            In absentia Per istam sanctam Unctiónem Ne eminiscáris ignotum per ignotius adaequatio intellectus et rei vir prudens non contra ventum mingit.

          • Juan

            Always a good idea to not piss into the wind.

  • Gordon Klock

    Im convinced that Jones is a gatekeeper, (& have been many years now) nonetheless,his voice is among the few that don’t have a lynch-mob attitude when dealing with the recent events in Boston.( I resent that I actually find myself defending him in some circles), I guess that I would agree that there is something very fishy about the official narrative,but Alex already has the intentions of the government clearly sussed out within minutes,& draws a line in the sand,& tries to get people all hysterical about it (counter lynch-mob?). I heard a ‘theory’ put forth that he is a covert communist intent on fomenting a violent revolution (controlled opposition).
    Hysteria is extremely destructive & stupid,& a bad thing to get swept up into.

    • kowalityjesus

      Yes all this thrashing about that is Jones’ default behavior is not constructive, snf bad medicine. that’s an interesting theory about Jones being a communist, can you provide any sources? I would say is quite likely in collusion with THE DEVIL!

  • VINCERO

    why does alex jones or anyone else for that matter suddenly become the problem when exposing the corruption and intent of those who rule the world?

    i suppose those who do believe that government is earnesly there to work for its people?

    and there you have it.
    wake up……not that it matters.

  • rebelphuckers

    Do you see all of these comments, contributors? THIS is how we discuss Alex Jones and/or conspiracy theories on Disinfo; from multiple angles, viewpoints, and understandings. I am likely not alone when I say that I expect contributors to have similarly open minds because, yes, even Disinfo has a target audience and your average official-story Joe isn’t a part of it.

  • Juan

    Figure I may as well chime in. To me, Jones looks like a self serving, fear mongering,
    loud-mouth, bully, who may or may not inadvertently be doing the bidding of The
    Empire. That said, at least he’s challenging the the official narrative. Or is
    he? I couldn’t say, really.

    All I’ve got are some ideas based on what I know about how our law enforcement and intelligence agencies have behaved in the past. You know, in recent years there
    were all these stories about the FBI capturing “terrorists.” Then we
    find out later that there would not have been any terrorists had the FBI not
    created them. They’ll find some random, alienated, 20-something dweeb and
    supply him with everything he needs to create a bomb and plan an attack on some
    target. All the while they are working the guy up, doing everything they can to
    get him to take the bait and go along with the plan. When the time comes, and
    they think they’ve got enough evidence to get a conviction, they sweep in and
    make an “arrest,” “saving us all” and foiling another
    “terrorist” attack. Of course, there would’ve no
    “terrorist” in those cases, were not for the FBI in the first place.

    So, who knows, this Boston thing could be something along those lines, that the FBI, or whomever, decided carry all the way to actually exploding a few bombs. Maybe
    they’ve got something in the works and they needed to ratchet up the fear in
    the public space to further their own ends. I have no proof of any of this. It
    is purely my own conjecture based on the past actions of the FBI et al. It just
    seems to me like a likely scenario.

    Just so y’all now I ain’t talkin’ out my ass:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/nov/16/fbi-entrapment-fake-terror-plots

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/02/19/how-the-fbi-invents-terrorists-like-the-u-s-capitol-suicide-bomber.html

    • kowalityjesus

      did you know that in the USA, you are more likely to be killed by a falling TV than by a terrorist attack? The Boston bombings are out of sight and out of mind for me, but for most people they have news elements inflating and exasperating the problem. That’s why I carry a bumpersticker on my car that says “KILL YOUR TV.”

      • Juan

        Yes, of course I know that. You are also more at risk of being killed just driving around.
        I am not afraid at all of “terrorists” in this country. People are being made afraid by the media. The media is using this to ratchet up the fear.

  • Unibrow Chic

    Two things have never happened in Alex Jones’ world: 1) An act of mass violence has occurred in America that was not ultimately orchestrated by our government, 2) Alex Jones has made a mistake. All one need do is listen to his infamous y2k broadcast on YouTube, to understand that ‘truth’ is in no way his passion. His passion, is fear. He is either clinically paranoid, or a pathological liar. You decide.

  • Glenn Goldman

    Based on a careful reading of history, I accept as fact that there are important criminal conspiracies in high places: Iran/Contra; Watergate, BCCI, all universally accepted criminal conspiracies. There are other allegations of criminal conspiracy that are more controversial, but which I accept to be true based on my own careful analysis of the evidence. I will not name these so as to not distract from my main point which is this: Alex Jones is a right-wing a$$hole who is either an unconscious player or is a conscious part of a nexus of psychological operatives in this country. In either case, his role is an important one: to irreparably stain with a virulent right-wing ideology any movement for the search for truth. Thus, any suspicion of a possible state crime against democracy is automatically associated with his kookery so that otherwise intelligent people are repelled from questioning official stories. The ruling elite are lightyears ahead of most people in terms of their understanding of crowds and mass-thinking.

    • Unibrow Chic

      Well said. I imagine that from the “government” perspective, would be “With enemies like this, who needs friends?”. Nobody does more to ruin the credibility of serious investigators, such as the late Gary Webb, or perhaps Daniel Hopsicker, than does Alex Jones. Here’s a conspiracy theory: the CIA invented him, to be the ultimate turd in the punchbowl. If they didn’t, they wish they could take credit. That man is a disgrace. His ‘evidence’ comes down to looking for inconsistencies in media reports, and patching them together with clumpy globs of crazy goo. He is pompous and repulsive.

  • Aipeed Teaitchse

    Conspiracy: An agreement among a group of conspirators to commit an illegal and/or wrongful and/or subversive act.

    The official story is a conspiracy theory. There’s no way around believing that this act was a conspiracy. One can only speculate as to how many people were involved.

    Now that we have that out of the way, look at what else was happening in our nation that this story diverted attention from…

    An 11 member non-partisan task force released a 577 page indictment of George W. Bush, Dick Cheney, Barack Obama, Donald Rumsfeld, and Condoleezza Rice for war crimes

    CISPA passed the House!

    Congress passed and Obama signed a bill that killed the pro-transparency and anti-corruption provisions of the STOCK Act

    Say what you will – None of those issues are being discussed by the MSM.

    (Just about) Everything is a conspiracy.

  • geminihigh

    Perhaps the LA Times could run a series on Operation Mockingbird as Abby Martin did on her RT show. The Alex Jones camp and mainstream media are two opposing teams that are owned by the same league, just like the Yankees and Red Sox. This public dissing and back and forth banter is just a way to cause the populace to not know what to believe. Constant traumatization, desensitization, and dis/misinformation really does works so damn well. They are getting cocky with it and seeing how far they can push it. Thats a good thing in the long run. Hubris well play a large part in their downfall.

  • nubwaxer

    just for fun take an event and try to spin it into a conspiracy theory. if you then compare yours to any of the ones at infowars you will no doubt feel embarrassed by how amateur and lacking in tangential connections your theory is. alex jones has many voices in his head to help him spin his wild tales. don’t ever think the right wing extremist media industry doesn’t rake in their loot by the truckload by swindling the suckers they convince to buy their snake oil.

  • Conspiracy Carrot

    Alex doesn’t ask questions, he’s got everything figured out 10 minutes after it happens.

  • Calypso_1

    ….Official story?
    You don’t know what part of teh interwebs this is do you now?

  • Ittabena

    I know you think that you have reached the bottom of the rabbit hole with Alex. That is what you are supposed to think. You have not. It is much deeper and scarier than you could ever imagine.

    Not that Jones doesn’t tell some truth, but if you follow the stories back to their source you will see the spin and sensationalism he is applying to very many stories. As a radio talk show host Alex lives or dies by his popularity, this is merely a fact that no one can change. DVDs do not sell themselves.

    However, releasing some of the truth to get trust is an old Cointelpro trick right out of the handbook. So is infiltration as was done to the protest/radical groups of the 60s and 70s. The tactic worked well, do you really think they would abandon it? Wouldn’t they, over time, work towards refining and improving this technique? And wouldn’t a great improvement be to put a false leader up, albeit a leader who leads nowhere?

    Every message that a Congressman gets is considered to represent 1300 people who think the same way and will not make contact. This would be a tactic that Alex could employ to bring about some of the changes he advocates so loudly and venomously. But does he? Does he do anything to help us bring about the change that we need? Once in a blue moon he might make a causal, passing reference to call your Congressman, but that’s it.

    Alex is only there to blunt the shock. He warns you what is coming and when it does come people are less likely to start marching as we used to do. You have to admit that many time he and Glen Beck appear to be working some sort of see-saw connected to a bellows which fans the flames of an issue. They are not really fighting, they are working an issue up to where they can continue their profits and popularity. And what do we do? We eat it up and chose sides as if it were Monday Night Football. And why not? Our whole western society is based on choosing up sides and keeping us factionalized, it’s all we know.

    William Cooper, Bill Hicks, Aaron Russo, even Jack Ruby, who tried to tell what he knew to the Supreme Court, have all died, but none from old age or natural causes. Alex? Well his radio show, and he, just go on unmolested. He claims the website gets hacked, but it always came right up for me when he said that. Nice house, in-ground pool in the backyard and he’s even gaining weight nicely.

    I’m sorry but you have been had. Alex is a human pressure relief valve, and see how well it works? I was fooled for a long time too, but something never quite added up. Eventually you will see it too. Just trying to help you out.

  • The Well Dressed Man

    Wait, we’re all monkeys now? I thought we were sheeple… Perhaps the primate half of we chimera has devolved. Apes in sheep’s clothing? Sheeponkey? No… Sheepanzies!

  • rebelphuckers

    It’s not just Alex Jones lately, though. There have been quite a few articles that are just anti-”conspiracy” in general which seems very out of place on this website.

  • Calypso_1

    Be thou wary of slighting the Gods of decay & detritus. The emmisions of the lower passages produce fertile fields for those who properly cultivate the muck.

  • Calypso_1

    How is it out of place? Is there a conspiracy against conpspiracy? The current administration publically declaired it as a target at the start of their first term.
    If conspiratorially thought is a target, shouldn’t you be aware of it. Be aware of the mindsets, fallacies & manipulations it is open to?
    Given the state of the world is it the most effective way of seeing things. Does it lead to the best actions? Is it a starting point or a realm to live in?

  • Calypso_1

    Sucking disinfo results in the loss of tooth enamel & canker sores.
    Far better to use a vaporizer.
    If you are really adventurous i suggest an Ommaya reservoir.

  • Juan

    Very well said.

  • Calypso_1

    Seconded