33 Responses to Subjective Truth

  1. Ted Heistman April 24, 2013 at 6:35 pm #

    I think your luxurious white beard gives you credibility. You should grow that bitch out more! If people disagree with you should just scratch your beard and they will be mesmerized and bow to your will.

    http://www.google.com/search?q=Mr.+natural&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=2F14UZaXN4alrQHF5oH4Dg&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1163&bih=640

    • Gabriel D. Roberts April 25, 2013 at 12:33 am #

      Greatest comment ever made! Haha!

      • Matt Staggs April 25, 2013 at 9:26 am #

        Ted drops some pretty funny comments.

        • Ted Heistman April 25, 2013 at 10:14 am #

          I drop Truth with a capital “T”!

        • Ted Heistman April 25, 2013 at 10:23 am #

          “everyone wants a fucking trophy!” that was hilarious!

    • Calypso_1 April 25, 2013 at 1:19 pm #

      The beard is an app.

  2. Nov April 24, 2013 at 7:18 pm #

    The first language was created to describe truth in a world of only action. Therefore the first spoken word was the first lie in terms of perceptional truth, as speech is the rough draft equivalent of the energetic action at hand. Language is responsible for the derivation into subjective truth; yet also is the tool in which we search for original truth among the subjective(s).
    This interaction is deemed “language”.

    A truth cannot be subjective, a truth is a truth. Adaptability does not fit into the concept of truths. Two equally weighted “truths” (as perceived) opposing each other do not need to undergo forced morphology to fit the expected truth; rather, Truth is structural, it builds upon itself creating it’s very own unique structure despite the surrounding fluff of wanna-be influence. Therefore in an argument of two perceptions, only unfallable truth can be extracted from the subjective mixture.

    In other words – subjectivity is another word for opinion. Don’t let technology or “humanity” advancements blur the line between what is truth, and what is subjective.

  3. BuzzCoastin April 24, 2013 at 8:20 pm #

    Truth is usually accompanied by it’s good friend Belief
    because the Truth usually requires you believe something you can’t experience
    personally
    I prefer truth with a small t
    which is
    my ever changing understanding acquired through experience

    • Nov April 24, 2013 at 8:37 pm #

      you can believe something is a truth, when in fact it is false – this is called a preference.
      Truth with a small “t” is a derived conclusion based from your subjective memory; in this aspect of course it would would be lower case.

      But you still cannot confuse Truth with truth, because in doing so, your are embracing selfish validation through the mode that is subjectivity. Therefore further amplifying the derived distance between Truth & truth.

      • BuzzCoastin April 24, 2013 at 9:07 pm #

        > you can believe something is a truth, when in fact it is false

        right, this is the main problem of Truth & Belief
        Truth requires Belief in order to be Truth
        and since there is no Absolute Truth
        except the entirety of Yin & Yang
        only Belief can make Truth

        > embracing selfish validation through the mode that is subjectivity
        I have found it helpful not to Believe anything to be True
        and instead I rely upon my experience for truth
        if I can’t trust myself and my experiences
        I’m totally lost
        and therefore need Big Brother’s help in finding Truth

        • Nov April 25, 2013 at 12:37 am #

          truth does not require belief. truth remains without belief. if at one point earth, as an entire population, believe aliens exist; but after searching nothing is found, the truth remained despite human perception.
          If believe nothing to be true, then an argument is made that you are rendered incompetent, A product. Truth is external of perception. If the responsibility of discovering Truth is relieved to an external source (such as big brother), then your truth is subject to the perception and manipulability of said persons. I as a person with two balls, will not leave my determination of Truth up to someone who puts on pants the same way I do every day. No offenses, this is my opinion. All man is created equal.

          • BuzzCoastin April 25, 2013 at 12:44 am #

            that’s my point
            believing in or not believing in something
            has nothing to do with The Truth
            believe or don’t believe in extraterrestrial life,
            who even really cares?

            I’m stumbling around in a dark cave with a tiny flashlight
            what I believe about the cave or what’s outside it is irrelevant
            what is relevant is that I map the cave
            and use what I discover for my benefit & to benefit others
            I don’t have to believe that I’ve found The Truth
            but I can experience knowing how to thrive in the cave

            and everyone has a different cave
            and everyone has different ways
            of looking at The Truth in their cave
            which looks like ridiculous bullshit in another
            because both are True
            depending on witch way you look at it

            is a photon a wave or a particle?

          • Nov April 25, 2013 at 1:12 am #

            “Truth requires Belief in order to be Truth”

            but then you say

            “believing in or not believing in something has nothing to do with The Truth”
            I am confused.
            (poetic)

            In mapping the cavee, why do you classify both perceptions, the sum of it, as the Truth?
            Are they both not perceptions?
            Both, and all, perceptions can be misperceived.

            Therefore rendering them wrong.
            Truth is reinforced as external to perception.
            We should discover our cave,

            but we should not rule out that the cave has rules to sustainability.
            And we should not rule out the possibility that the cave was designed intelligently to support life.

          • BuzzCoastin April 25, 2013 at 1:17 am #

            mapping doesn’t rule out possibilities
            it only helps understand how to best thrive
            Truth is unnecessary
            whatever Truth is
            it is beyond Name & Form

            Humans hear themselves called silly by a Divinity
            as a child does by an adult.
            Heraclitus

          • Nov April 25, 2013 at 1:34 am #

            Truth is unnecessary for the consumer.
            Truth is necessary for the producer.

            Truth is infiniti
            finitie cannot be possible without Infiinti.

            Adults hear themselves called silly by children

            Yet adults wish to be children again.

            Don’t know what Heraclitus means.

          • Nov April 25, 2013 at 1:36 am #

            wish i could figure out how to do that one space enter you do so my posts didn’t look retarded

          • Gabriel D. Roberts April 25, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

            Space is subjective!

          • Simon Valentine April 26, 2013 at 11:06 am #

            space begs to differ and is wounded, begins to suck

            genera space is made of finite pieces
            aether space is continuous

            if taking as axiom the latter Thus P = NP and rather in fact Oracle
            if taking as axiom the former Thus subjectivity & engineering

            in the latter of seconds, then, i, and my SCAR
            Subjective Computation And Reflextion

            in the former of seconds, then, Amon
            void
            hologram

          • Nov April 27, 2013 at 7:58 pm #

            The truth of line spacing is that it will always be subjective. Written language is intended for the perceiver. and so, the truth of language is the efficiency of communication in idea translation.

            Once truth in language is established – (ie. universal alphabet of sounds to break barriers of language understanding caused by diversity) – only then can perceptional truth be facilitated by language (or in this case paragraph structural optimism).

            Regardless, language is created to re-claim truth in a subjective world. Thus, once truth in language is established, we will then be living the biggest lie. As the only truth is action.

          • Gabriel D. Roberts April 25, 2013 at 9:53 pm #

            Diggin’ it, Buzz!

          • BuzzCoastin April 25, 2013 at 11:16 pm #

            thanks

        • Gabriel D. Roberts April 25, 2013 at 12:54 am #

          I’ve seen a lot of things I used to think were big T truths only to have the rug pulled out from me. Now I’m a lot more comfortable with not knowing and acting according to my best observations based on the best material I can find. After a lifetime of endless work to be closer to the big T, I assume I will still have a mind that apes the quintessential final object that the big T embodies, but I will die after living a full life of wanderlust and awe of the whole journey. It’s my hope that the vid I made would bring light to (at the very least) the fact that we all have valid points to bring to the table in our discussions on the nature of all things. It’s wonderful. This conversation is an Ouroboros.

          • BuzzCoastin April 25, 2013 at 12:56 am #

            The Name that can be Named
            is not the Eternal Name.
            The Tao that can be told
            is not the Eternal Tao.

            You can’t know it
            but you can be it.

          • Matt Staggs April 25, 2013 at 9:25 am #

            My favorite excerpt from that most wise little tome.

          • Ted Heistman April 25, 2013 at 10:26 am #

            Are you talking about this book?

            http://www.amazon.com/Tao-Pooh-Benjamin-Hoff/dp/0140067477

        • Andy Beveridge April 25, 2013 at 5:49 am #

          I humbly disagree, Truth does not require belief to be truth. For example just because you do not believe the world is round, that does not mean that it is not true. Just because you do not believe in gravity does not mean that you will not kill yourself from falling when jumping (or ‘flying downwards very quickly’) from a tall building.

          • BuzzCoastin April 25, 2013 at 5:58 am #

            actually I know that the world isn’t round
            & wee are not held in place by gravity
            these are words used to describe something we have mapped
            but we don’t really understand everything
            the map is not the territory
            Truth cannot be expressed in words
            all truth that can be expressed with words is relative to the speaker

  4. emperorreagan April 25, 2013 at 1:27 pm #

    People frequently omit the premises, assumptions, etc. that underlie their positions before they begin making claims to having access to some objective truth.

  5. kowalityjesus April 25, 2013 at 1:39 pm #

    I do believe you think what now you speak,
    But what we do determine oft we break.
    Purpose is but the slave to memory,
    Of violent birth, but poor validity,
    Which now, like fruit unripe, sticks on the tree,
    But fall, unshaken, when they mellow be.
    Most necessary ’tis that we forget
    To pay ourselves what to ourselves is debt.
    What to ourselves in passion we propose,
    The passion ending, doth the purpose lose.
    The violence of either grief or joy
    Their own enactures with themselves destroy.
    Where joy most revels, grief doth most lament.
    Grief joys, joy grieves on slender accident.
    This world is not for aye, nor ’tis not strange
    That even our loves should with our fortunes change.

    But, orderly to end where I begun,
    Our wills and fates do so contrary run
    That our devices still are overthrown.
    Our thoughts are ours, their ends none of our own.

    -Shakespeare, ‘Hamlet’ III:ii

  6. echar April 25, 2013 at 2:23 pm #

    I agree , am on the fence, and disagree.

    • Gabriel D. Roberts April 25, 2013 at 9:54 pm #

      It is because you are wise.

      • echar April 26, 2013 at 12:39 am #

        Thanks Gabriel. You give off an air of knowing. Thanks for making this interesting video. It’s entertaining, informative, and weird.

        • Gabriel D. Roberts April 26, 2013 at 11:25 am #

          My 3 favorite descriptors!

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