An Interview With An Otherkin

legolasWriter Danny Smith shares this interview he conducted with an “otherkin”. I couldn’t help but to notice that the ‘kin states that he worships Corellon, God of the Elves – a deity created for the Dungeons & Dragons role-playing game. Seems like an odd choice, but I suppose if you’re having “flashbacks” of a past-life battle with orcs and describe your “real” self as looking suspiciously like Orlando Bloom’s portrayal of Legolas in Peter Jackson’s The Lord of the Rings,  it stands to say that anything goes. I suppose we all build a personal mythology during the course of our lives, and believing that you’re an elf trapped in a human’s body is no more or less ridiculous than anything else offered by the world’s major religions.

What are Otherkin?

The Otherkin are human-bodied individuals who feel themselves to be, in an essential sense, non-human. Their Innate Species Persona (ISP) might be a mundane, familiar animal, such as a wolf, a cat, or penguin – even a highly unfamiliar being like an elf/faerye, demon, or angel not recognised as having even existed by narrow-minded scientists like Stephen Hawkins. ISP’s are named as elfkin, demonkin, felinekin, and so on. Some misinterpret their ISP, so they might during the course of their lives appear to change their ISP; I knew one Otherkin who changed from a wolfkin to a jackalkin; this does not represent an actual change of their ISP, but instead a change of their interpretation to something that better suits them.

Our mission is to gain acceptance in the same way the transgendered community are slowly gaining acceptance amongst the SWM (straight white male) establishment. This analogy is strengthened by the fact that some ‘kinned-individuals actually resort to surgery to become physically closer to their ISP; this could be as simple as teeth-filing or ear modifications. Some are more extreme; I have spoken online to one Californian Felinekin who is actually attempting to surgically alter his penis to closer resemble that of a tom-cat, by enlarging the base (giving a tapering shape) and adding sharp ‘spikes’ that shoot out.

Yow! I’m hoping the lucky lady will appreciate it. Do Otherkin tend to date within the community? And their own ISP?

Sadly the life of the Otherkin is often lonely because our different natures often make it hard for us to connect with ‘normal’ people. Once a ‘kinsperson has started to get involved in the community relationships do start; sometimes an ‘outerkin’ relationship will be frowned on by certain ‘kin, for example a dark-elfkin going out with a light-elfkin would raise some eyebrows. We’re a tolerant bunch, though, so we try to let the healing power of love take its course.

How did you become involved with the Otherkin?

I have always felt myself to be different, non-human. At the age of five I started dreaming about being an elf in some ancient forest. I used to mark myself with crayons in strange, Celtic patterns. I told few of my secret, but at the age of 10 one of my ‘friends’ started spreading it around, leading to all sorts of horrible taunts: ‘freak’, ‘nutter’, ‘pixie wanker,’ the usual school yard bullying. I felt incredibly ashamed, and found adolescence really hard. When I was 17, I stumbled across a mention of the Otherkin in a magazine; I can’t quite remember which one, it was probably Bizarre or Fortean Times or something of that ilk. What they said seemed to match up so perfectly with my experiences, so I started browsing a few Otherkin websites (of which there weren’t many back then), and tentatively started networking with the ‘kin. Using certain meditation techniques only known by members of the ‘kin, I have been able to regress to my previously lost memories of being a Daonine-Sithe (pron. ‘thenena shee’ in the original Gaelic) elf, hence why I presently call myself a Sithekin.

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  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    “and believing that you’re an elf trapped in a human’s body is no more or
    less ridiculous than anything else offered by the world’s major
    religions.”

    Perhaps not so much ‘no more or less’…and perhaps a bit more ‘absolutely equally ridiculous’. Just one more horrifyingly awkward moment illuminating the greater truth : that batshit crazy comes in every color and flavor.

    • Anarchy Pony

      Oh be nice.

      • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

        I know, I know…my venom gland runs over sometimes, periodically I have to sink the fangs into something and let some out…

        …but honestly, for me, that was going easy…I restrained the worst of my impulses. That ought to count for something at least. :-)

        • InfvoCuernos

          Maybe you are “serpentkin” lol.

          • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

            More honestly, I’m probably just “jerk-kin”. lol

            *see what I did there?*

          • Matt Staggs

            Well played. I’d clap my hands, but you know that is technically impossible for jerk-kin.

      • BuzzCoastin

        What’s not nice about the truth?

        • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

          wouldn’t want to hurt anyone’s feelings or anything. That’s like the biggest taboo there is… right?

          • BuzzCoastin

            the truth always hurts
            which is why wee usually serve it up sparingly
            and well covered with bullshit
            to make it palatable & inoffensive

            one of my kids became a Moron (LDS)
            & got married in the Temple
            my brother, a Roman Catholic
            was disparaging the LDS religion
            particularly some of it’s less orthodox beliefs
            I pointed out that
            the only thing that made his religion less nutty
            was it was older & more widely accepted
            & the Morons held the same basic beliefs as his
            and a few more new ones
            not surprisingly, he didn’t like the facts

          • kowalityjesus

            this may be because Ive been up all night or it may be that you remind me of my uncle, but I can’t stop laughing at “Moron”

    • Simon Valentine

      because hey, it was quarantined to speak out like to say it against souls, yeah? even secular termites eat wood…

  • Simon Valentine

    i’ll stick with the one that’s stuck to me, time to time

    alien

    just alien. nothing specific. none of my usually silly mind stuff.

    just here to say. sulfur :}
    that’s the nearest calling of it ;)

    hellion? *research*
    ah

    Shade

  • InfvoCuernos

    “Sadly, the life of the Otherkin is often lonely..”, when even the D&D crowd ostracize you, you are indeed in a lonely place.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Did anyone else catch that this particular Otherkin describes themself with a name that is apparently pronounced “Shee-kin”? Does anyone else find it hilarious?

    But really, there’s probably something unhealthy about saying to yourself “my real form is a tall handsome blonde white guy”. I’ve studied the occult for quite a while now, and as such I believe some pretty wacky stuff that don’t ever really share with anyone, but I still look upon these folks with an equal mix of pity and scorn. When they begin to complain that their plight is equal to that of the trans population, it’s usually more scorn though

  • Dingbert

    This kind of stuff brings out my inner bully.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jt6CN0Ak-sI

  • BuzzCoastin

    hey Matt
    at first I thought this was your story
    but then I got to ‘pixie wanker’
    and I realized I twern’t in Missasip anymore

    • Matt Staggs

      I think you’ll find plenty of weirdos in “China”, Buzz.

      • BuzzCoastin

        true that
        but in China & Missasip
        no one uses the phrase ‘pixie wanker’

        BTW: Disinfo is still not blocked in China
        I’ll put in the good word for you guys and see if you can get blocked too

        • probablydrunk

          nobody in england would bother to use the phrase ‘pixie wanker’ if I’m honest. Unless it was in a in the sit-com ‘the inbetweeners’.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    I always saw these fantastical things as symbols for kinds of people that actually exist. Not actual beings that are embodied by humans.

    • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

      Exactly…more totemic ideals or archetypes or personifications of desired traits…not literal. In this world rising literal-ism seems to be the hot new trend, while subtlety seems to be a dying art.

  • Ava

    An excellent reminder to roleplayers and gamers to vary your character choices and playstyle, just incase you begin to have trouble telling which is the real you.

    I think he just felt so different from other people he started to believe he really was different. Going through the body and personalities changes of puberty at the same time of developing that feeling making the feeling stronger.

    Not saying he should just go see a shrink and take meds. People like to be different, he became an elf good for him.

    • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

      Your generosity of spirit shames me. Your compassion and reasonableness are commendable. And for the record (I have to add this disclaimer because of my penchant for callow remarks) : I am being perfectly serious, not sarcastic (for once).

      For those who know me: DON’T JUDGE ME! I HAVEN’T GONE SOFT! I actually do have a nice side…well hidden maybe…but I have one. Maybe not an actual side…more like a sixteenth…but its there!

      • Ava

        All good your comment doesn’t sound as bad as what many readers are probably thinking, my original thought wasn’t as nice.

        But then I thought who cares if it’s bat shit crazy, he became an elf that’s cool and sounds alot more interesting my bland life.

        But I am still laughing at the interview.

    • RapeMyFace

      I’m with you on this. The psychopharmaceuticalkins are more than ready to label this fellow as depersonalization disorder with undertones of bipolar depression and set him up for a lifetime supply of psych meds.

      It can be a miserable and lonely life for many. Do what you can to get through in one piece.

  • Adamas Macalz

    I was involved with the vampire community for a while… though I eventually got out of it when I realized that well…. it was a combination of the realization that I didn’t need to feed, that it was a psychological addiction, and the fact that I was using the vampire archetype to enable my more sociopathic tendencies. I’m not saying that the entire community is wrong in there assumptions bbut a good bit of them were probably in the same boat as me…. using it as a banded over preexisting psychological issues…

  • echar

    If it improves their lives, and they aren’t hurting anyone… why not!As for the augmenting of genitals to appear more cat like, I think that’s going too far and they may need help.

    • Tuna Ghost

      The issue is that it may not improve their life, that it may in fact hinder it significantly. And others as well, if they continue to demand to be taken as seriously as, say, the trans population.

      • echar

        Then that is not good at all.

  • Bruteloop

    What I find immediately alienating is the self absorption and self pity. Woe is me, my life is hard in this cruel world because I am an elf. FFS. I doubt a true elf would wear the victim mantle that is so prevalent these days. As a good friend of mine is early stage transgender and has the guts to go from hard core biker who works in the building trade to, well, female hard core biker who works in the building trade and knowing what she goes through most minutes of everyday with an indomitable spirit the comparison to transgender is simply wrong. Lose the self pity Legolas. Stop playing the victim.

    • Matt Staggs

      I’d expect something a lot more alien and indifferent to humanity, perhaps even hostile. Then again, my impression of mythic beings has been warped by a combination of European folklore and Richard Holdstock’s “Mythago Wood”.

      • Bruteloop

        Never read Mythago Wood. Will do so this weekend.

  • probablydrunk

    Thanks for putting me on Disinfo.

    Hey I didn’t catch the D&D reference at all *hangs head in shame* In my defense I was more of a Warhammer guy.

    I’d like to point out when I contacted a few other people in the Otherkin community, the ones that would talk to me, I got them to read the interview over and they were very keen to distance themselves from this guy. In fact when it originally ran the article contained a disclaimer that his views do not necessarily reflect the whole community etc etc.

    Danny

    • http://hoyvinglavin64.livejournal.com/ rubi-kun

      As an otherkin myself, I’ve never heard most of the terms used by this interviewee. What forums did you find them and how long ago was this?

      • probablydrunk

        hi, this was a couple of years ago. And the forum address is lost in my notes. I did take the article back to one of the forum moderators and they told me that most of the forum members wouldn’t identify with the interviewee. Thats why I included the cavet in the article.

  • RapeMyFace

    I’m surprised the Furry community hasn’t been mentioned in this article.

    There is/can be an unhealthy aspect to these mutual support societies of delusional thinking. People who were drawn to these communities out of social isolation may end up finding themselves even more ostracized.

  • nozodurendozuuo

    If it’s cool enough for snoop lion to be into it, then it should be cool enough for you.

  • Nirvanasteve

    A serious, non-sarcastic (probably still going to get a billion down-votes) question for everybody: in what way is this ‘otherkin’ phenomenon different than the transgender movement, so much to the extent that a comparison of the two is so offensive? It seems to me like it’s the same case of people not being satisfied with the bodies they inhabit or the identities that have been attached to them (whether by themselves or others). Just because the paradigm they are trying to shift to is dragonkin/reptilekin/whatever and not a different gender, it still seems like the same idea to me.

    • InfvoCuernos

      Nobody wants to watch “otherkin” porn.

      • Nirvanasteve

        Fair point

    • Bruteloop

      Because female to male or male to female involve two types of being we know for certain actually exist.

      • Nirvanasteve

        This is true, but a female identifying themselves as male and a male identifying themselves as female would not in fact change their sex nor their genetics, just like if one wished to be a unicorn on a forum they would still not in point of fact become a unicorn in physicality but very well could identify themselves in a ‘unicorn role’ or mindset (whatever the hell that would look like.)

    • http://hoyvinglavin64.livejournal.com/ rubi-kun

      There’s scientific evidence of differences in the brain between men and women, and how the brains of trans men and trans women more closely resemble those of their identified gender than that of their birth sex.

      No such science backing up otherkin. As otherkin myself I consider it a spiritual belief and not comparable with with what transgender people face.

  • MCMoose

    Most people think I’m an android.
    I’m not sure if I am or not.
    Does that count?

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