Don’t Fool Yourself: The Legalization of Marijuana Will Absolutely Lead to More People Smoking Pot

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One of the strangest things about being an enthusiastic pot smoker is that you constantly meet people who aren’t high all the time, which often leaves you wondering “What the fuck is wrong with these people?” I have no idea, but what I do know is that pot’s illegality absolutely influences this decision for most of them, often subconsciously. Don’t believe me? The second legalization passed in Washington, members on every side of my wife and my family were all of a sudden looking for a hook up. Christmas shopping was super easy. I got weed for nearly everyone, because that’s what they fucking asked for. I’m not joking. Some of these people haven’t smoked in years.

Because of the drug war, pretty much everything said about recreational drugs publicly is essentially insane. About the biggest argument conservative types can come up with against loosening weed laws has always been, but, if we legalize marijuana, more people will smoke it. Yep, exactly. What’s funny is that a lot of pro-legalization advocates lie and argue, no it won’t, look at the numbers in Portugal or whatever. Total shit. Weed being legal is going to lead to a lot more people smoking it, and that’s probably the best thing that’s happened to our society culturally in ages. I personally think getting baked should be mandatory for anyone who is way too type A or high strung, which is why I always have a bag ready for my step mom when I visit. I feel bad for my dad.

Something I wasn’t aware of at all until just recently is just how few people actually get high on the regs. According to some data, that number’s as low as 14% in America. 14 fucking percent? We can do better than that. We need to get that number up to say, 80. I’m on it. But marijuana can increase schizophrenic tendencies and make people lazy, and I have this one friend who can’t handle it and, blar-ditty-blar-ditty-blar, shut the fuck up. You know how awful booze is for you? We drink it constantly…CONSTANTLY. Our entire social culture revolves around it. A specialty beer store opened up a half block away from my apartment about a year ago. The place is continuously packed to the point that it’s now difficult to find parking on my street. Because alcohol is fucking everywhere and officially condoned by society, people don’t think twice about slavishly devoting themselves to the culture that surrounds it.

I’ve always found these people sort of embarrassing and goddamn there’s a lot of them. “Beer! Beer! Beer! Fucking Beer man!” I’ve known so many folks like this over the years and what’s sad is that often it’s like watching a feedback loop of marketing made flesh. Yep, that is exactly the attitude that the people who profit from alcohol sales would love you to have. It’s also the most conformist position in the history of the universe. Yeah, that one recreational drug society lets you do legally. How benevolent of them to give us that illustrious privilege. Never mind that constant use keeps you stupid, ugly, lazy, and easy to control.

Now, me dissing booze is a bit hypocritical taking into consideration that roughly a year ago I was still pounding roughly 30 tall boys a week, but here’s the thing, I was largely doing this solely to fit into society. I’m well aware of that. I don’t fool myself. I drank a ton because that’s what people do and it was rather irresponsible. How irresponsible? Well, I’ve tried most illegal drugs and I’ve come up with this simple equation: If you take all the stupid shit I’ve done on all the illegal drugs I’ve taken over the years combined and multiply that number by a thousand, that’s roughly the stupid shit I’ve done drunk. Driving around Seattle completely blacked out? Yep. Sleeping with random strangers I met in bars? Sure. Sleeping with women I’d soberly sworn I wouldn’t touch? Indeed. Waking up with cracked ribs and having exactly no idea how that happened? Check and mate. It’s sort of amazing I’m still alive when you take how recklessly I drank in my youth into consideration, but I’m lucky. I once knew a guy who was paraplegic because his friends drunkenly dared him to jump off a roof one night and he did (take that LSD).

And that’s the thing, we all know alcohol is way more dangerous than pot. Everyone in law enforcement knows it. So what would be the problem per se if more people started to prefer getting high? That seems like the opposite of a problem and sort of like a solution. More specifically, why have alcohol companies been spending a ton of money to prevent that from happening for years? It’s not a fair fight. The legalization we’re talking about in regards to marijuana in Washington isn’t even close to putting it on a level playing field as booze or even pharmaceuticals. It’s a baby step in the right direction. There aren’t going to be pot clubs any time soon. I won’t be able to order a joint while waiting for dinner at a fancy restaurant or watching a band at a club. Ridiculous. We need to get to that point, the sooner the better, and freaks like me aren’t going to rest until we do.

You know what happened back in the 90’s? They started allowing pharmaceutical companies to put ads on television. Unsurprisingly, we now pop more pills than ever as a culture. See what I mean? They don’t just spend all this money on marketing because it’s fun to throw money away. Essentially, because of our batshit laws (which are increasingly bought and paid for), you can now invent medical conditions like Low T, come up with the antidote, advertise, sit back, and watch the money roll in. Hey, I’ve already got a condition that requires marijuana use, it’s called our-entire-society-is-a-bunch-of- boring-work-a-day-funnel-wealth to-the-top-horseshit-itis. My doctor told me I was lame as all get out, and so he prescribed me marijuana. Maybe now someday I’ll actually say something funny or interesting. Maybe.

 

Joking aside, here’s some actual behavior I’ve observed in the pot smokers I’ve known over the years. First there was my good friend in high school. Guy loved working out and built a gym in his basement. We used to get high and lift constantly. So, he then meets a nice conservative girl who doesn’t approve of him being a stoner. The solution? Instantly quit smoking pot to impress her and never turn back. He quit working out as well I might point out, but needless to say, our friendship didn’t survive too long after that. Nice enough guy.

There’s also at least five people I’ve known who have quit for incredibly non-specific reasons of conscience. When asked, they basically say, I’m getting older and I need to leave that part of my life behind. What they’re editing out is that this attitude comes entirely from the fact that it’s a crime and nowhere else. It doesn’t make any fucking sense otherwise and even they wouldn’t acknowledge this aspect of their decision i.e. you’re quitting getting high because of conformity. Did any of these people stop drinking? Nope. In fact, they almost all started drinking even more to make up for the lack of excitement they were losing by quitting weed. Again, I’ve known at least 5 people like this over the years. It’s always the exact same story. They feel compelled to clean up their pot smoking because society has deeply implanted the idea into their heads that it’s somehow a bad thing that they should be growing out of.

You know who else I’ve known a lot of over the years? People who occasionally smoke but basically have the attitude, I don’t like it much, makes me kind of paranoid, I do it a couple times a year on special occasions. What a bunch of pussies. Again, all of these people drink regularly. All of them. Most of them are total drunks when you get right down to it. Oh, so weed makes you a bit paranoid? Yep, that’s kind of what it does, took me years to get used to that and function properly. Alcohol makes you sick as shit, gain weight, and do the stupidest crap imaginable and yet you still drink like a champ. You brag about your drinking. Oh, conformity. If you went to bars, restaurants, and parties where everyone was smoking, where pot was being sold, you’d smoke way more often, just like you drink.

Then there’s the kids people, and I must say, I’ve never known any parent who doesn’t fall into this camp. We smoke, but we hide it from our kids. Why ever would you do that exactly? Answer: solely because it’s illegal. At every holiday gathering I’ve ever gone to, no one thinks twice about drinking in front of their kids. We do it in restaurants, at sporting events, even at freaking church gatherings. So why would we give a crap if kids see us doing a far less harmless drug? Because it’s illegal. That’s why. And that’s my point.

I previously wrote about how I can’t wait for pot marketing campaigns because I can’t think of anything that’s easier to sell. If pot is allowed to exist in the same parameters as say, alcohol, or even most pharmaceuticals, way more people are going to start blazing up and it’s going to be awesome. Don’t fool yourself with this pot rates are going to actually go down nonsense. The greatest value in psychedelic drugs is that they expand the imagination and I’ll be honest, a lack of imagination is EXACTLY what our culture suffers from at this point spiritually. We’re still talking about philosophers we basically know nothing about from 2,000 years ago, when we wouldn’t play a video game that’s over 3 years old. We’ve got some serious issues we’re going to have to resolve collectively, and maybe pot can help us come up with increasingly creative solutions to these problems that we’d never find on a 3 martini lunch or in an SSRI trance. Maybe we’ll start wondering why we buy non-stop useless consumer shit and finance endless wars when we could just get increasingly high, fuck more, and focus on raising our kids. I think that’s exactly what rich conservative assholes are afraid of and it’s up to people like me to tell them: be afraid, be very afraid.
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  • Liam_McGonagle

    I love this opening line:

    “One of the strangest things about being an enthusiastic pot smoker is that you constantly meet people who aren’t high all the time, which often leaves you wondering “What the fuck is wrong with these people?””

    I shall mount it amongst my menagerie of favored lead ins.

    But seriously, I neither contest the fact that more will smoke nor see any particular harm in it. In fact, if it peels off even a tiny a portion of the Alcohol Crowd, I’d see that as a BIG net plus.

    • Anthony

      so true

    • Robert Lai

      They’re each good for different things. Back when I was night manager at a fast-food place, I used to have a rule of thumb: “Stoners are the best customers and the worst co-workers; Drunks are the worst customers and best co-workers” The ones that smoked pot were funny, understanding and social as customers (and generally tipped like princes!) but managed to be completely bone-idle on shift, worse than normal smokers. Drunks were belligerent surly, demanding and unpredictable as customers but when they showed up hung-over they generally just wanted to get the damn job done. A-freaking-men. It’s all a matter of situation, the right (chemical) tool for the right job.

      • ShellyAlmond

        That logic seems so backwards to me. I got fired once–no, twice, come to think of it–for being so hungover at a job that I couldn’t perform. Never had a problem if I smoked the night before, though. And I never smoked at or before work. Just couldn’t perform well that way, either. I can’t see how it’s a good thing to have anyone stoned, drunk or hungover on the job, but what they do on their personal time is their own business… I have noticed that people who drink tend to tip more when I was waiting tables, though.

        • Robert Lai

          My experiences may be different than yours, a few anecdotal tales from an old night manager does not a scientific sampling make. Granted, sober is better, if they’re any good at all. But in the places I tend to work, they’re not, so you take the bad with the worse.

  • Hadrian999

    smoking pot doesn’t make you superior. smoke, drink, do whatever you want I dont care. when you derive your self image from a substance you ingest for recreation you have a problem, that problem is you aren’t really very interesting.

    • Dingbert

      “It is not what goes into the mouth that defiles a person, but it is what comes out of the mouth that defiles.”
      -Jesus Christ

      • Russell D

        Jesus promoted psychedelics, silly.

  • echar

    Smoking weed in Holland is not a big deal for the natives. I suspect the influx of use in WA is due to the novelty. If it remains to be legal, the use is likely to taper off. I used to smoke all day every day, and I could care less if it’s legal or not.

    What mattered to me was cost. It’s an expensive habit and hobby. Even growing kind buds is going to cost you up front. I stopped because I was ripped at all times, and it became normal and not all that much fun.

    With that said, some of the best weed I smoked ever was in Alaska. It’s been legal there for some time. I met the guy who helped make that happen. I imagine there’s some amazing strains in Washington at this time.

    • BuzzCoastin

      I was actually shocked to discover some kids who worked in the coffee shops don’t smoke, because their parents do.

      • echar

        Exactly. I worked with this intern from Holland. He said it’s not really all that popular, no big deal. He said the same about prostitutes as well.

      • obsidianobelisk

        I grew up knowing my father was/is a chronic (pun intended) smoker. This led me to view weed as something fairly trivial, not to mention I preferred it to the scent of his Marlboro reds.

    • Argle Bargle

      There is an old saying……….”Habit dulls the edge of pleasure”. Never more true than with pot. Don’t get me wrong, I was a huge smoker but since COPD became the order of the day I had to question myself was it really worth dragging around an oxygen cart before I’m 55? Now cakes and brownies on the other hand…………….;)

      • echar

        THC butter :)

  • Trapdoor84

    Ha! Really enjoyed reading this article; well realised, refreshing and some good points. Good job! Although, not too sure I agree with your views on smoking marijuana around kids, I can see what you were getting at but passive smoking is actually, scientifically proven to be quite dangerous. Yeah, maybe not as bad as the media portrays it to be but, still…

  • ⚔Christophuh⚔

    so what?

  • GetOver Yourself

    “Oh, so weed makes you a bit paranoid? Yep, that’s kind of what it does, took me years to get used to that and function properly. What a bunch of pussies…”

    Marijuana causes severe anxiety for some people, including panic attacks and yes, paranoia. It can even trigger psychosis in individuals who already have mental health issues. This has been thoroughly documented.

    If weed helps you cope with the world, great. Yes, it should be legal, just like most people can drink without turning into raging alcoholics. But to call those who choose to abstain “pussies” is disrespectful and infantile.

    • Trapdoor84

      Have you ever heard of the expression, “tongue in cheek”?

    • rtb61

      False. Marijuana has been associated with people already suffering severe mental issues who attempt to self medicate with marijuana, now that’s the reality being distorted by a corrupt system.
      Not the significantly different affects of the two main drugs in marijuana, THC and CDMA, the balance of the two plus the main other trace elements combine to produce markedly different outcomes.

      • VaudeVillain

        As somebody who experiences severe anxiety while using marijuana and has never even considered using it to self-medicate for my (not officially diagnosed and potentially bullshit) mental illnesses, that’s nonsense. Smoking pot is an extremely unpleasant experience for me, and has been consistently since about age 20.

        If feeling “a bit paranoid” is your idea of a good time, I won’t stop you, but I find it really stressful and it takes me up to a month to fully recover, so I’m going to pass. If that makes me a pussy… then fuck off and leave me alone, stoned people are obnoxious as fuck anyway.

        • ShellyAlmond

          VaudeVillain, I just want to say that I have nothing against people who don’t smoke. I know people who don’t like to drink and I don’t mind that either. I even know people who don’t like to take ibuprofen. The things we put inside or on our bodies affect us all differently. I once asked a dentist for oxygen instead of nitrous oxide because I hate the way nitrous oxide feels. I think it’s wise to listen to your body and to avoid things that give you anxiety, pain, paranoia, etc. I used to smoke marijuana up until a very short time ago, and I didn’t like it if it made me feel paranoid, but, for me, that only happened once in a while with certain types (not sure what kind it was, because this stuff is not regulated and it was just what was available at the time.) I just want you to know that’s how I feel, because regardless of how I think marijuana should be legal, I just don’t want you to think all stoners are obnoxious. I actually think people who drink to the point of inebriation tend to be much, much more obnoxious.

    • kelethian

      i call them genetic weaknesses in humanity that should have been removed four generations ago.

  • Rus Archer

    1 – you might want to check the record on countries that have already done this
    in holland, the use spiked very briefly after the government decided to stop busting people
    but most people don’t like weed enough to use it regularly
    usage stats there pretty much match stats here where it’s still illegal

    2 – can we please stop treating cannabis and psychedelics like the messiah? “if only everyone…”
    it really doesn’t work that way
    not everyone is “chill” on weed
    not everyone is enlightened on entheogens
    heads still rape, murder, steal, argue, abuse other people, animals, themselves, the planet, etc

  • http://artasith-m-nasdsnre.tumblr.com/ Simon Valentine

    sinusoidal genera
    an analysis beyond the
    most basic element of fallacy
    like that Pythagoras was wrong
    everything and nothing to do with the bong
    transpondently connected
    on off dots with on off lines between them
    name them and it’s symbolism
    be them and you can’t name them is a union differentiable
    don’t let magnets overpower
    strategize this tower
    saying something about someone saying [sic] pussies is disrespectful is an action that shovels dirt onto pussies so it’s a breaking windows scam and circus marriages
    pussies win.
    how did you “know” pussy was ‘less than’ *whatever*? you didn’t.
    now watch me slither away
    upright
    with my cheshire grin

  • bowloftoast

    The reason why you don’t run into more people who are permanently high is because most people aren’t idiots. Most people don’t have dependency issues, and really, that’s all your article sets out to justify – your dependency issues. It’s just your sad, internal dialogue put to print.
    Alcohol is legal and readily available, but people who use alcohol every day and are permanently drunk are, for obvious reasons, considered the dregs of society….irresponsible, unemployable, useless. Do you honestly think chronic stoners are seen much differently?

    Grow up.

    • echar

      You sound like you need a hit or drink. Dry addict?

    • http://artasith-m-nasdsnre.tumblr.com/ Simon Valentine

      where the heck do you find the time for this rhetoric?
      while you’re employed, otherwise useless, and imirunresponsive?

      *edit*
      by the way in case you didn’t notice the parsing, and you have no right to complain, also btw, but anyway, the type of “all the time” is “constantly” rather than the type of “all the time” that is “intermittently” so you should excuse yourself to go check a few dictionaries and etymologies … Latin, even … as concerns “constant” and “intermittent”. here’s to hoping you made an honest mistake and aren’t evil. chears.

    • Bluebird_of_Fastidiousness

      Half of society is below average intelligence. While addicts are a minority amongst people in general, they’re represented across class and intellect levels. There are spectra of all sorts in any demographic. Some people in the online community, for instance, are much more belligerent than others. Thankfully, the Disinfo community is usually an outlier in that regard. One of many reasons I like it here.

    • Russell D

      Your statement clearly demonstrates that you’ve never known any functional stoners… Cannabis is unlike alcohol in almost every way. I’ve known more than one certified genius who smoked regularly just to live in a world full of moronic know-it-all imbeciles. It can serve as psychological medicine to keep certain individuals balanced. I’d also be willing to bet there are several would-be mass shooters, constantly teetering the line of sanity, who use cannabis as their main lifeline to humanity, to peace.

      Not to mention, the plethora of benefits offered by entheogens. There are two types of people against psychedelics, those who haven’t done them, and those who sucked at doing them.

    • kelethian

      so, how is Zionist bullshit from the psychiatric industry working out for you?

      • The Well Dressed Man

        I thought this discussion had almost everything before. Your comment might just reboot the whole thread. Please share your thoughts on this in relation to Zionism and psychiatry.

  • Brittsbro

    I have smoked weed for years and can tell you that it helps me to concentrate more on the task I am doing. There was a certain paranoia factor when I first started smoking but it didn’t take long for those feelings to go away. I was also on medication for anxiety due to frequent panic attacks and when I started smoking marijuana I was able to stop taking that medication. I believe that the use of marijuana should be legalized everywhere and let people decide the same way they do with alcohol and tobacco whether it is something they want to partake in. The hell with what all the critics say.

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  • BuzzCoastin

    Pot the way it is today is a peculiarly Amerikan phenomenon
    and it’s use has been distributed and promoted by Americans
    when I traveled through SE Asia it was never hard to find pot
    it was hard to find good pot, but I could buy pot on the street
    but in China
    no one knows what pot is
    seriously
    I grew some pot in my front yard in China
    and anyone who recognized it
    thought it was ma (hemp) & I had a neighbor who had a hemp garden
    (hemp ain’t pot)
    my biggest fear was an American would rat me out
    cant trust those Homeland snitches

  • Aipeed Teaitchse

    Two illusions pervade the cannabis (can we call it that please?) legalization debate. One is that the government actually gives a shit about people’s health and would prefer to keep drug dependency to a minimum among the citizenry. The second is that cannabis prohibition has anything to do with the element of catching a buzz and nothing to do with 100s of applications for industrial hemp. I don’t think I need to make a list here based on readership, but to get right to the point, it makes a suitable and in many cases superior substitute for fiber/building materials, textiles, weed control (ironically) and petroleum products including plastics and fuel. The government’s game is to infantilize the public and get them on their knees pointing at all the other people having fun getting buzzed on other substances that are legal as they try to hold back hysterical laughter while profits from non-renewable resources soar higher and Higher along with the number of people in the prison system. But you already knew that didn’t you?

  • Andrew

    I don’t smoke pot or drink alcohol.

    • echar

      I don’t either.

      • Herp Derp

        Exactly but it affects all of us. When we turn a blind eye to injustice, evil thrives. Pot smokers are doing nothing to hurt society, yet we throw them in jail, take away their licences, etc. It’s a military racket, it needs to end via popular vote. Just because I’m not gay, doesn’t mean I don’t defend those who are. We are all something someone doesn’t like, and we have a right to freedom of expression.

        • echar

          Preaching to the choir. I drank and partook in many things for a large portion of my life.

          • echar

            Thank you phantom down voter!

        • Andrew

          Don’t get me wrong, I strongly support decriminalization. I was just responding to the stoners-vs.-alcoholics tone of part of the article.

    • Juan

      I do both. They go great together:)

  • The Well Dressed Man

    McKracken, I’m beginning to appreciate your stuff more, mostly because it tends to stir things up here. I pretty much find myself disagreeing with most of what you write despite being sympathetic to the issues at hand, and this is… special.

    I’m wondering if it’s possible for people to actually smoke more weed than they already do. I pass through clouds of ganja every time I go outside. While most of my friends are functional stoners, I can’t make it work with my chemistry. The active ingredients are so fat-soluble, I feel impaired for several days after imbibing. Nice for vacations, but impossible for any sort of progress. Having experimented with almost everything, I find that the chemicals you hippies like to badmouth, uppers and booze, are much more my style.

    Legalize it all, tax it, and fix infrastructure/education. Everybody wins.

    Cheers!

    • http://www.facebook.com/nick.babishoff Nick Babishoff

      I agree, different people like different highs, some people can’t handle weed, I can’t handle alcohol, it makes me sick, but I would never tell someone else what they should be getting high on, it’s none of my business. However, referring to someone as a “hippy”, whatever the fuck that is, because they smoke weed is retarded. The 60’s have been over for how many years now?

      • The Well Dressed Man

        For about 43 years, right? So the faction, which McKracken seems to represent, maintaining that cannabis, psychedelics, and mysticism are the answers to life’s problems, seems a bit out of step to me. Hence the archaic term. Referring to someone as “retarded” for using such a term is what I find odd. :)

        • http://www.facebook.com/nick.babishoff Nick Babishoff

          I didn’t mean you were retarded, but calling someone a hippy is where my problem lies. Sorry about that, early morning bad attitude before the coffee addiction is fed.

          • The Well Dressed Man

            No worries, I was being a bit abrasive myself. “Hippie-harshing” is one of my guilty pleasures, and part of what keeps me coming back to the forums here.

            I’m really sympathetic to consciousness expansion, environmentalism, and questioning authority. However, skepticism and what seems to be an old-fashioned faith in the validity of the scientific method keep me at odds with much of the “mystical” ideology to which I’ve applied the “hippie” label.

  • Aram Jahn

    Thad: I love your stuff, but this article totally shreds, you’ve outdone yourself here. Kudos, meine freund. A Grand Salami, bases-clearing, over the centerfield fence and hitting some boozehound asshole that uses sports metaphors for everything. Fuck him; he wasn’t paying attention.

    By the way, I’m a hopeless beer snob (Pliny the Elder, anyone?), but I forgive your cracks about beer drinkers…because of the rich vein of righteous snark you tap into here altogether. Total…touchdown?

  • Tchoutoye

    The decriminalisation of drugs in Portugal has not lead to any significant increase of drug use.

  • Robert Lai

    Man…. what do I not miss about college? Guys like this. I support legalization, in that enforcement is a) pointless and b) expensive and c) ruins lives and in a more general “people should put whatever they like into themselves” sort of way. It’s a thing people do to relax, which is fine. What I never got is the motivation behind evangelizing pot-smokers, people who are concerned that YOU do pot as well? But then, I’ve always had trouble getting my head around evangelizing anythings…. Christians, weed snobs, health nuts, bike fanatics, people with kids…

  • Bruteloop

    Presumably by ‘weed’ people in the US always refer to stuff that in no way resembles the Super Skunk shit over in the UK? I have personally had one friend pretty well lose his mind smoking that day in and day out. Paranoid wouldn’t even describe it.

    I also know one kid who was sectioned and his mental state was pretty well entirely due to smoking that stuff every day. We could say he was always a little isolated but that just took him a long way away.

    Then again, I have an elderly friend in SF gets great medicinal cookies and cakes but, as is the way with edible, we have lost whole evenings to little more than lolling and giggling mindlessly because we ‘didn’t think it was working’ and then ate more. Fun, maybe only once in a while, but fun nonetheless.

    From what I have come across over here pretty well everyone into all the ‘gang’ stuff smokes daily and they sure aren’t shy of violence.

    So I don’t really understand the incessant evangelising about ‘weed’? I don’t entirely understand what ‘weed’ refers to.

    And surely just as there are different types and strengths and qualities, different people react differently. Some good, some bad.

    I’ve certainly seen it make some people really dull as well.

    My main concern is where it comes from and has not at some point involved the exploitation of some poor sod in another country…even if that is someone being forced to mule through fear or poverty.

    Beer, I can usually check the brewery.

    Then again, I live in the centre of a town where people like to party. If everyone was high on ‘weed’ weekends would be more pleasant.
    As it is, alcohol and coke (with the alcohol being shots and spirits) seem to cause most of the asshattery.

    • The Well Dressed Man

      I was surprised too when the violent gangsta types got into cannabis and mdma. I recall taking part in many a blissed-out conversation about how “if everybody got stoned/took ecstasy, we’d achieve peace on earth” Sadly, many people are very capable of aggression on these drugs.

      • Bruteloop

        Yup. Unfortunately it is wishful thinking at best, dangerously naive at worst. Besides, if there was something that made everyone docile it would already be in the water supply.

  • MeOhMyra

    Basically, if the government didn’t make so much money from cigarettes and alcohol, they would be illegal as well. I can’t stand people who devote their lives to weed and go on and on and on about it 24 hours a day. I don’t want more of them.

  • deosbo1

    Legal marijuana will lead to more people smoking pot, SO WHAT?

  • nubwaxer

    seems like speculation to me without any evidence. portugal decriminalized drugs and led to lower usage didn’t it? it also reallocated money wasted in police costs as well as reduced the number of people in jail who got help instead of useless incarceration.

  • Alan Morse Davies

    I’m not anti-THC or anti-alcohol. I agree with the points made about societal harm with alcohol, but I see no need to equate the two, here is an apple, here is a pear.

    Legalising THC will not stop people drinking. Or snorting oxy. Making something legal does not in itself change attitudes or behaviours.

    I see THC vs alcohol as just a bargaining chip – “no-one’s ever smashed a beer bottle on someone’s head whilst high”, therefore THC. It’s a false equivocacy.

    Really the argument should now move from the broad brush strokes of drug B is less harmful than drug A.

    Some people like THC, some people like beer, does there have to be a concensus on taste?

    The war on drugs has failed, cost billions, undermined the ability of the governments of many countries to govern, killed tens of thousands.

    People want what they want. Rather than trying to manage their consumption of whatever as some kind of guiding elder, failing and pushing all the cash into the black market, just legalise the stuff that won’t kill you unless you have a personality disorder, regulate the quality, tax it.

    Really the war on drugs created a war of drugs. The large pharmaceutical companies stepped in with legal alternatives to plug the capacity gap which are probably much more harmful long term. Oxy kills more people in the U.S. than heroin. Is it inherently better because it’s legal?

    Legalise cannabis in all its forms, cocaine, DMT, ketamine, all psychedelics including mushrooms and peyote. I would say heroin no, I’m up for a discussion though.

    People want to get high, let them. If cocaine was as cheap or cheaper than crack what would happen?

    We don’t know. Because the whole discussion on drugs is linear. Some poor people do crack, therefore crack is a problem, crack is undermining our poor people, preventing them from achieving their full potential and it is cheap. Is it crack that is stopping them or is it poverty or racism? The U.S. is pretty racist. Not as racist as Poland though so let’s say crack.

    I’m not a liberal but there is no such discussion on drug use for groups of people that are doing well. OK she was nominated, but maybe she would have won the oscar if she had done a little less cocaine. I don’t hear this but maybe it was true. Yet we don’t hear about her “societal impact”, about the “terrible toll” it took on those around her, she didn’t flash her vagina getting out of a car so we can’t paint her as an epic fail. There’s no story here unless she chooses to make it.

    This craziness is from cognitive dissonance. That’s holding directly opposing views in your mind and believing both to be true. This renders you incapable of rational thinking, no matter how smart you are.

    Christian = Free Market Capitalist. How did the U.S. get to that? New Testament anyone? What would Jesus think of Goldman Sachs?
    Freedom from tyranny = Guns. The government could nuke you in an instant. Fire some bullets into the air before you are incinerated if it makes you happy.
    The American Dream = one winner in any task, everyone else failed, so are now losers with nothing to contribute. Except to the joy of whoever won.
    Libertarian now in the U.S. = Ayn Rand. Ayn Rand’s values of pure selfishness = what Jesus what? To be a Randish Libertarian Christian is to be both completely selfish and completely selfless at the same time, thank Dog Paul Ryan has worked it out.
    Freedom = freedom of speech, maybe. What if your culture is insular and sees the world through the lens of paranoia (Indians! Blacks!)? If you know very little about what you choose to believe or say, how free are you? Free range stupid.

    • ShellyAlmond

      Not sure how you only got 4 votes up. Your comment was so on-point; time to turn the page.

  • TsmokeTrain

    GODDAMNIT IM OUT OF FUCKING WEED!

  • Truth hurts, here’s some weed

    Thank you so much Thad, keep doing what your doing and don’t let anyone ever tell you otherwise, anyone that says marijuana is genuinely bad for you is so brainwashed they’d jump off a cliff if the government said it’d help them. It’s so ridiculous how people can look past the simple obvious answers for something to argue a point like alcohol is better than marijuana, one thing I think you should have put in your article is the death rates from alcohol alone to marijuana alone, marijuana has never EVER killed a person and it NEVER will because it CAN’T, that’s right, IMPOSSIBLE, you would be inhuman to intake the amounts of THC you’d need to OD, somewhere around 1,000 joints in an hour or 2, whereas alcohol has a not so single digit death amount in the united states alone. Yet people will still so arrogantly argue that marijuana is bad because the government told them so. I’m no conspiracy theorist but I am a realist, and I know the government is looking out for itself more than the well being of its people. This countries economy will continue to drop until something drastic happens, either Ganondorf will appear in real life causing all people to unite against him, or something is going to snap with the marijuana laws. Personally I wouldn’t mind either.
    Edit: I’d also like to say, I’m in no way saying everyone should smoke weed, or that everyone should stop drinking, everyone has choices, and it’s not my place to make ANY of them for you. But the simple fact is marijuana is NOT dangerous, at all, and I don’t think it ever will be, so I do call people that say weed is a terrible thing stupid, if you choose not to smoke it so be it, at least recognize that it is a good thing for some people, and a generally good thing all together.

  • Hadrian999

    you don’t actually know how disinfo works do you?

  • Matt Staggs

    Pur Singh, I’d be delighted to have some contributions from you if you’re ever interested. No snark intended.

  • http://artasith-m-nasdsnre.tumblr.com/ Simon Valentine

    stop asking others why You ate the sushi
    you’re that annoying local defamation guy that no one has helped by stopping your rampaging lack of vision and there are at least thousands like you

    would writing out all their names on the disinfo chalkboard be more or less boring? you could play it out like i’m an FBI scandal or that it’s ‘your’ voodoo doll.

    is this the pill you’ve been hunting from, or for?

  • Eric_D_Read

    You just haven’t met the right bunch of druggies.

  • echar

    Attention can be like a drug. You seem to be addicted to it.

  • ⚔Christophuh⚔

    obviously you have never been to a rave circa 1996. Its the exact opposite of boring.

  • http://artasith-m-nasdsnre.tumblr.com/ Simon Valentine

    i’m actually beginning to find you humorous
    don’t worry
    if it’s a secret that you’re a troll
    i’m sure it’s the one ring

  • http://artasith-m-nasdsnre.tumblr.com/ Simon Valentine

    it seems you are ad tempting a communique concerting freeloading, in which case, macaroni and cavalry cavaliers are in order on the silver platter o’er yonder.
    pfft. it’s by the green eggs and ham.
    nevermind.
    you’ve a very particular affinitous infinity triage i see.
    however, it is appropriately quite the case that Cantor is dead.
    so should we wish to speak of PI equals 4, i do hope it would please us. alas! what corruption of that saying corruption is saying that rationals and irrationals are touching is corruption! e gads! begin the cull! summon Pluto hence!

  • BuzzCoastin

    Drawg us out Ivy Eve in the Hall of Alum!
    The finnecies of poetry wed music. Feeling the jitters?
    You’ll be as tight as Trivett when the knot’s knutted on.
    Now’s your never!
    Peena and Queena are duetting a giggle-for-giggle and
    the brideen Alan-nah is lost in her diamindwaiting.
    What a magnificent gesture you will show us this gallus day.
    Clean and easy, be the hooker!
    And a free for croaks after.
    Dovlen are out for it. So is Rathfinn.
    And,
    hike, here’s the hearse and four horses with the interpro-vincial crucifixioners
    throwing lots inside to know whose to be their gosson and
    whereas to brake the news to morhor.

  • echar

    I partied with Jim Morrison just last year. He’s got a ranch now and grows the best dope this side of the Mississippi. His peyote is aged, and he makes a mean iced tea.

  • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

    Agreed. It would be nice to see the complainants actually generate something on a site other than saucy (albeit ill informed) troll commentary.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    You mean somebody’s been paying you to post a comment once every 11 minutes here? I hope they’ve kept their receipts . . .

  • Andrew

    Take some time with your ad hominem, make it believable.

  • obsidianobelisk

    You could say the same thing about rest of humanity, doesn’t mean your blanket, generalized opinion is correct.

  • echar

    Sounds like something Gary Ridgway would say. IS there something you would like to confess?

  • Spasmodius

    You need to change brothels.

  • Andrew

    Ad hominem means an attack on a person rather than their argument. And your rate of posts is far, far more frequent than McGonagle’s.

  • ⚔Christophuh⚔

    Talk to me when you get your green card.

  • ⚔Christophuh⚔

    talk to me when i give a shit.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nick.babishoff Nick Babishoff

    Bullshit. It’s just sex. Don’t be so uptight.

  • http://www.facebook.com/nick.babishoff Nick Babishoff

    We’re all just a bunch of talking monkeys. Don’t be so uptight.

  • echar

    Awww, someone needs a hug.

  • Andrew

    It’s odd how the most immature commenters are always the first to call others “kid” or “son” or whatnot. There should be a term for that particular kind of projection.

    Anyway, I’m right on both the meaning of ad hominem and your rate of posts. I was wrong inasmuch as your initial comment was more of a tu quoque fallacy than an ad hominem, but seeing as how McGonagle doesn’t post as often as you, it was also a lie.

    But if you think ad hominem means something else, please let us know. It should be good for some laughs.

  • VaudeVillain

    Liam has been posting regularly for a long time, at least since i started reading about a year and a half ago.

    By comparison, you’ve been posting for what, like 3 weeks?

    Long story short, you have posted far more *frequently* than he has since you started doing so.

    Also, he’s pretty cool, while you are a complete knob. That is an ad hominem, by the way, just in case you weren’t sure.

  • Andrew

    He’s amassed those 1,500 over several years. You’ve amassed almost 100 in a week or two.

  • Andrew

    Also, your disqus profile says you have almost 200 posts here, not less than 100.

  • Andrew

    I’ve taken a course in logic, and have used the term as it was taught to me and as I’ve read it defined since then. Do you care to tell us what your definition is, or can you not find one different than mine and think that just saying it’s wrong with some insults (ad hominem) thrown in will convince most people that you’re right?

  • Andrew

    Asks someone who spends far more time commenting here than I. (Although I do spend more time on each comment than you do, obviously.)

  • Andrew

    Nice. The sad thing is, I usually agree with the points you’re trying to make, but your usually assholish manner makes me loathe to admit it. And now that I see how sloppy you are with your facts, whenever I find myself in agreement with you in the future I’m going to have to rethink my position.

  • Andrew

    Ha! Good one, seriously.

  • Andrew

    Reverse psychology to ensure you get the last word?

  • Andrew

    U mad bro?

  • InAwe

    prostitution hits a cord with you…care to share why?

    Cause your arguments don’t make any sense…

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