WeAreChange’s Pitch for Bilderberg 2013

We love what we do and wish to continue our work and cover this year’s meeting in London, England. and only with your help we can do so. If we are lucky enough to have your support, we would ask for your donations in order to document this year’s meeting, make video reports, investigate what happens and provide live video coverage.

The donations would cover airplane tickets, video equipment and the costs to operate a live video feed during the Bilderberg meeting. We estimate that we need around $3,000 to cover 2 airplane tickets, local transportation, video equipment and internet service for the live video feed.


Via WeAreChange

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  • eric82

    “Purported documents showing the financial activity of one Lucasz
    Rudkowski have been made available through an internet posting, by a
    disgruntled We Are Change donor. The documents show large sums
    transfered from a PayPal account into an account with his name on it.
    The statements also show large amounts being withdrawn from the account.” (http://www.examiner.com/article/disgruntled-we-are-change-donor-releases-luke-rudkowski-s-bank-statements)

    • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

      404

      • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

        man you’re getting a lot of flak and downvotes… theres nothing wrong with pointing out a faulty link…

    • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

      as far as I am concerned “we are change” is Luke. If you like Luke and what he is doing, give him some money. Its like a tip jar on a blog. I mean people gave him money and then he spent it. WTF? I don’t see what the problem is. Did he say he was feeding starving children? I am pretty sure he is going to use it to run around and shout questions at elites and occasionally corner some of them, make them feel awkward, argue with cops etc.

      I mean, say what you want, you should have a pretty good idea by now of what he is about and what the other people there are about.

      • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

        I think Luke epitomizes misunderstanding and ignorance while still probably having his heart in the right place. despite this, everyone forgets that good intentions can sometimes have unexpected negative consequences.

        • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

          Democracy, by design, is run by a clusterfuck of dorks, who don’t really know what they are doing and are just making it up as they go along. Tall elegant, poised, cultivated people, with perfect elocution running shit is called something else.

          Basically, the Luke hate, from where I am standing reads basically like “Hey, he just looks like a the kid down the street. Is this possible? Can people like that really do citizen journalism, defend constitutional rights etc? I mean if he can do it anybody can do it, even I could do it? Maybe I should be doing it? Yeah, fuck that guy.”

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            There’s a bit of nuance that comes from multiple perspectives. Where your perspective is Allies are Always Allies as long as they have a few overlaps with your ideals, I see inevitable liabilities by considering the holistic situation we’re in.

            Full spectrum democracy requires the willingness of some of those dorks to turn on other dorks that have bad ideas. You have to take the good and the bad of democracy, and not sugar coat it. For that matter, there’s bizarre idea that Bilderberg is one giant consensus-festival. Did you ever consider that a heated argument or disagreement ever took place there?

          • Tuna Ghost

            I think the hate is coming from “this guy is asking for money so that he can run around and pretend to accomplish something when in fact he has caused exactly zero change, good intentions notwithstanding”. That may or may not be the truth of the matter, but that is certainly how it is perceived.

          • Geoff Henry

            Not by everyone. I chose a career path far more lucrative and comfortable. I applaud Luke for investigating and going to these places to talk to these people. In the very least to try to get them on the record. He’s made a huge gamble with his life for, in part, democracy’s benefit.

      • Calypso_1

        When you are incorporated donations are not a tip jar. Misappropriation of funds for personal use is embezzlement.

        • alizardx

          Where the primary use of funding is to pay salary and expenses of the incorporated fundraiser, what constitutes “misappropriation” is an interesting question.

          • Calypso_1

            When you skip any pretense of receiving a salary from your corporation and direct the funding straight to your personal account?

          • alizardx

            that’s sloppy. But if I’d donated, I wouldn’t worry short of evidence the cash went to hookers and blow.

          • Calypso_1

            There are those in depth analysis & awareness campaigns cleverly disguised as drinking games.

            http://disinfo.com/2012/02/we-are-change-super-bowl-challenge-fail/#sthash.VFkRICgV.dpbs

          • Ittabena

            Oh man! I had never seen that video before. What an idiotic display. How could anyone expect to be taken seriously after publishing that? Let alone come hat in hand asking for donations to continue being a “bad boy” of Alternative Media.

            My father always taught me “Your best is only good enough.” Maybe Luke should take that advice to heart and rethink his strategy. Completely! Because we don’t know what his best is yet.

            We need change, not lip service. We get plenty of that from the other side, so why are we getting it from what is ostensibly the right side? Whatever the reason, it is bad for the cause.

        • eric82

          Great point, @Calypso_1:disqus … WAC needs to hold themselves to the bare minimum standards since they’re already engaged in extremely sketchy behavior – virtually presenting themselves as a non-profit organization (see their website – “Start Chapters”, “Donate” and so forth – terms that, in popular nomenclature, are synonymous with NPOs) instead of a stock-issuing private, for-profit corporation.

      • Ittabena

        No Ted, we are supposed to think we know what he is about, but we are not supposed to take a careful look?

        Gotta go with Jefferson and question everything. When you are at the liars club, who do you trust? The guy that says he’s not lying?

        The only thing I know for sure is what he says he is about, the rest remains to be seen. But on the change scoreboard? So far it’s a big goose egg.

    • echar

      I see what you have been talking about these thugs all along. Do you have anymore damning information?

  • echar

    Why is it important that We Are Change is there? What do you get from being there? Why should I or others care?

    • Ittabena

      Well, if they show up just one more time these guys might start doing the right thing. Or they might even give control of the world back to the proletariat and go get real jobs, donate all their money to the poor and suddenly become good guys that we would all like to live next door to.

      Then there is the fear mongering, but we won’t start that conversation on a Sunday morning.

      • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

        You guys are so jaded and cynical! Nobody in the mainstream media used to cover this stuff. Nobody. They had a “gentleman’s agreement” not to tell the proles. Do you guys believe in democracy or Aristocracy or just “I don’t give a fuck -ocracy?”

        I mean “We are change” doesn’t have to cover it but somebody has to cover it. And make no mistake the only reason it gets covered by the BBC and other outlets now is because of the conspiracy theorists and “alternative media” “citizen journalists” etc

        • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

          i figure it was just a big elite party where all the moneyed go wild and have crazy swing parties outside the spotlight. Now they’re gunna have to find a new venue. Maybe the Congo? noone’s going to follow them there.

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            No, not to be a twit, but you are thinking of Bohemian Grove as the big hedonistic party. Bilderberg is a serious meeting about policy. Its basically the Powerful of different countries and spheres of influence, saying a big “Fuck you” to the electorate and getting together to decide the fate of the world, themselves.

            So if you think these people are your “betters” and that what goes on in the world is “none of your business” than it shouldn’t bother you. If you believe in democracy as a core value you should care.

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            No i was being the twit, intentionally; but i’m glad that you brought up democracy. I started to think about of all things, D&D alignments with this. And I’m going to do some experimentation with Devil’s Advocate.

            There’s a lot of misunderstanding in the conflation of Good with Order, and Evil with Chaos, or vice versa.

            I would argue that democracy only works when it is full spectrum, which, yes it has been gradually eroding away from that here in the US. But i would also argue that full spectrum democracy is aligned with Good-Chaotic (or maybe Neutral-Chaotic). But the unfortunate good-chaotic conflation causes anyone in against democracy(including not only Order-Evil, and Order-Neutral, but ALSO Order-Good). This conflation causes all 3 of those alignments to be defined as Evil, due to misunderstanding. This has two consequences.

            The bilderberg group I would say is Order-Neutral, or dare I say, Order-Good. Whatever the case, is defined by it’s opposition to democracy despite not necessarily being evil. Thus all proponents of democracy must be opposed to them.

            The second consequence is where proponent’s of democracy in opposition of pure order-as-evil, and believers of chaotic-as-good create the perception that even chaotic-evil as being on their side because they also by definition oppose the bilderbergs.

            I suspect the bilderbergs are very pessimistic about democracy, for possibly reasons I am about them: Full spectrum democracy doesn’t work either when a majority of the voters are zombies. We get into a chicken-and-egg situation where you can wonder: Did the voters become zombies on their own leading to huge enterprises to handle them? or did the zombie-controlling enterprises transform the populace into zombies?

            The opinion that attempts to answer this question is the real definer of what side you’re on.

            Edit: I also forgot to mention/clarify that the bilderbergs probably have the opposite conflation of order = good but if i went into that i wouldn’t be playing devil’s advocate anymore.

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            You should go work for FOXCOM, you know for the sake of order. Why shouldn’t you? Why should you have anything but what life working for chinese minimum wage affords? If you are already on board with that agenda, why wait?

            You really think Bilderbergers view you as superior to a Chinese Factory worker? You appear to have misplaced your trust.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_minimum_wages_in_China

            How will your betters afford to by Yachts for their children if you continue to make more than $200 a month?

            http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/business/2013/04/13/lurssen-yacht-azzam/2067709/

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            Who said i was on the side of order? Also who said i trusted anyone?

            You desire for freedom and equality, but certain circumstances effectively make them mutually exclusive.

          • alizardx

            A better question – how will people be able to buy the products that keep the revenue streams of the wealthy big enough to make yachts for their kids affordable if people don’t make >$200 month?

            Henry Ford, no liberal or progressive (though Hitler admired him) paid auto industry record wages on the basis that people with money buy more things like his own company products than ones that don’t.

            The current business model of the superrich including Bilderbergers is not new, “extract all the money” and run has been tried. To make this work, one has to get out in time and have someplace to go. In a world where the transnational elite is the single point of failure that says “extract all the money is OK”, where are they going, Mars?

          • alizardx

            Elites always seem to know what they are doing, largely because they generally control “official reality”. There are always people willing to get paid to tell the story of how “brilliant” and “wise” and “generous” they are and of the visions of the future these “wise men” are creating. (today? Look at Singulartarianism and Transhumanism.)

            If these stories were always true, we’d be subjects of the Assyrian or maybe the Atlantean Empire.

            It’s easy to stay in control of a system if one starts out at the top, it doesn’t take wisdom or brilliance.

            The order elites pay people to protect lasts only as long as it takes for chaotic reality to overcome them.

            Transnational elites represent for the world a single point of failure.

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            Exactly. The shits all getting ready to go over the dam.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYkl3XlEneA

          • Juan

            This question about whether people became zombies due to deliberate zombification by elites or whether they became that way on their own, in some sense, seems moot to me. Either way, there are clearly huge industries in place to handle them, wether they were artificially grown or naturally occurring.
            Maybe I’m being naive, but from looking at a few other countries, like Iceland, France, et al, in comparison to the US, I suspect that the cultivation of zombies has been going on for a long time in this country.

          • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

            oh i completely agree that the question is moot. whats here is here. but strong opinions lead to strong alignments

        • echar

          If I had money to donate, it would go to something that provides results.

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            Donate it to Matt Laur.

          • echar

            I’d rather use it towards improving myself.

          • Geoff Henry

            You’d see a better rate of return from sub prime mortgages.

          • echar

            You are adorable.

          • Geoff Henry

            Ditto kiddo

          • echar

            I noticed you said something about pigs. I’d like for you to look in the mirror, gramps. Pig is another name for a fascist, and they typically don’t accept anything other than their agenda. You become what you hate.

            I have worked with some non profits before, so I find this whole thing to be insulting on various levels. Then for you to be dismissive. Nope, you turned me from a person who is insulted into a complete enemy of your cause, and I can generate more. 1 bad apple!

            There’s a little business lesson for you, Gramps. Have yourself a great day!

          • Geoff Henry

            Right, your freedoms and the possibility of exposing government corruption will be forever hindered because you’re a complete enemy of my cause…versus what, your being insulted by people who sacrifice their lives to help you and putting your diatribes of ignorance on the web?

            Go on bad apple. Tell everyone how smart you are.

            If I may impart a word to the wise, get off your ass and help yourself and others. You came to me with this BS so that’s the best you get, Bacon.

          • echar

            They have medications for delusions of grandeur, you may want to look into that. I give support towards things that actually make a change. Such as education, you Pretentious prick. Oh and you brought this on yourself with your idiotic and dismissive claims.

        • Calypso_1

          The idea that Bilderberg has never received coverage outside of conspiracy circles (which has been occurring since the 60’s) is completely false. Major news outlets have been giving increasing reports over the past 10 years. And here
          is just one example from 1978 – took me seconds to find. No its not national coverage, but conferences & diplomatic meetings of all kinds receive zero response from the media all the time. How much reporting was given to UNCITRAL International Commercial Arbitrage committee meetings last year?

          http://libserv23.princeton.edu/princetonperiodicals/cgi-bin/princetonperiodicals?a=d&d=TownTopics19780426-01.2.17&e=——-en-20–1–txt-IN—–

        • Ittabena

          Sorry it took so long Ted, just got off work. Jaded? Absolutely, but I have earned that title honestly – try working where I have – but that has nothing to do with my response.

          Before We Are Change came along Jim Tucker and Daniel Estulin covered it quite nicely and some of us were aware of all this before 9/11. Since We Are Change showed up, nothing has “changed”, except that maybe the Bilderbergs went home early because of them. But maybe they didn’t either… I have heard conjecture that this is why they went home early one year But there is no empirical evidence why they left early that year, or that they did indeed go home. For all we know they relocated to an unknown location and carried on as usual. All is conjecture.

          So where is the change? Jim Tucker wrote about it and Daniel Estulin even wrote a book about it; The True Story of the Bilderberg Group. How has We Are Change changed anything? To ascribe the fact that Major Media now mentions it to We Are Change is to completely overlook Alex Jones’ contribution to this whole thing.

          After 9/11 Alex and Luke became rather close and I would hazard a guess that without Alex Jones’ influence We Are Change would not be attending Bilderberg. If we take off the rose colored spectacles that we are supposed to keep clean and shiny for all things remotely connected to Mr Jones we would remember that he took Luke there in the first place and more than likely handed him his first Infowars megaphone. Luke became a We Are Change spokesperson and We Are Change started attending.

          Indeed, if you look closely enough there are probably a few Alex fingerprints on We Are Change somewhere in it’s formative days. We saw one of the makers of Loose Change in the video above, and we can also recall, if we try, that Alex had a big enough hand in the later remakes – second version was the best, hardest hitting version – of Loose Change that it caused the original two filmmakers to take different paths, and the only reason mentioned for the split that I ever heard was Alex.

          I am in agreement with echar here, what would their attending accomplish? If we call ourselves We Are Change we should work to cause change, not spend our time blindsiding a Rock/Jazz star in a hallway. How the hell was that supposed to change a Goddamn thing? (Not angry just old fashioned punctuation. You know, pre-PC era. I miss that stuff.)

          And how in the hell is a bunch of folks outside the five star hotel screaming rude crap through mega-phones going to do anything but make us all look idiotic and droll? Alex’, Lukes’ and We Are Change’s behaviors are only marginalizing us in the eyes of the rest of the country. Worse than that, if the Elite look at us as “cattle” does this behavior not prove their point and reinforce their faith in their own correctness?

          We need to convince more people to take action, not entertain more people with embarrassing antics.

          Today legislation often has names that reflect the opposite of it’s effect. Could this be that same one trick pony being ridden again?

          Look at how this crowd is trying to do it… Now look at how King and Ghandi went about it… See any difference? And why is that?

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            I guess I don’t see any harm in what they are doing and a lot of good. But obviously anyone who thinks they can do a better job should, or donate to anyone who they think can do it better

          • Ittabena

            We are being handled. And is it even remotely conceivable that the handlers would seize upon the idea that we would be easier to handle if we were handled from both sides?

            Is it even remotely possible that these Elite could be so thorough as to have nearly consolidated their control on world power, and yet would be so dim that they would permit us to have a leader/spokesman freely available on the radio every day that was not under their control? Can you find that plausible? And look where that leader/spokesman leads us; in circles, accomplishing nothing. Alex generates the fear by the bucket loads and Luke marginalizes the cause by making us all look like hot heads and kooks.

            It’s a put up job. We are being handled.

          • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

            I don’t feel particularly dependant on Alex Jones or any of these people. They helped shape my perspective and now I think for myself.

  • eric82

    pay for your own damn vacation

  • Geoff Henry

    There’s apparently a contingent of disinformation agents in the comments of these articles. Nonetheless, Luke, keep up the great work. You have my email when you come in town, hit me up for a place to stay. I’ve got room for the whole crew and you can stay as long as you like.

    Ted Heistman, don’t waste your time with the agents. Either they’re paid by Goldman Sachs or just little kids being idiots. Reach out to Luke and help others that you can trust like him. Also read Confessions of an economic hitman. The end is very inspiring.

    • Calypso_1

      Ah the old paid opposition tripe. Let’s see, who’s the only one asking for money here? Is it so hard to believe that thinking, independent persons of their own free will can mutually come to a viewpoint that is in opposition to what you believe? Or even if there are shared beliefs, do not want them represented in the same fashion as you?

    • echar

      Don’t waste your time on concern trolls Calypso.

      http://stream1.gifsoup.com/view1/1638037/beetlejuice-jerk-off-o.gif

      • Calypso_1

        Don’t worry – Goldman Sachs pays me by the comment.

        • Geoff Henry

          Hello kiddies.

          • echar

            meh!

        • echar

          We mustn’t waste too much energy on these plebs. We have that meeting coming up soon. I always dislike those ineffective me-hums who harass us goodly folk as we enter. Time is money. See you there.

          • Calypso_1

            Oh yes, rather.
            On the matter of time; I’ve had a nice case of 100yo
            Dupeyron Armagnac sent over to the chateaux.

          • echar

            Good show! I’ll have my man servant smuggle in the hookers and blow.

          • Calypso_1

            Capital! Do you want your dungeon attendants depersonalized by medical like last time or would you prefer just a tad of memory to add to the sense of trepidation?

          • echar

            Whichever makes them suffer most.We can’t have them thinking they are worth a damn.

        • BrianApocalypse

          How’d you get that deal?? All I have is a contract with the Shriners that pays me per disinformation-agent accusation! (I also get a 5% bonus for every usage of the word ‘shill’ and ‘sheeple’ in responses I provoke.)

          • Calypso_1

            Well, I’m actually on loan from another organization.

            …they owed us on pushing Dragon Systems to Ray Kurzweil.

          • Ittabena

            Oh man, you guys both missed out. Should have gone for the unilateral deal. 3% on every buzzword you provoke, whether from the FOX list or the Prison Planet list.

            You guys should visit me in the Caymans this season too. I can pay Calypso the Bitcoin I owe him.

    • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

      These are just regulars. I like to shoot the shit with them. We provoke each other and hopefully stimulate discussion.

      Confessions of an Economic Hit man-Great Book!

      • Geoff Henry

        Ok, but when you wrestle with a pig, both of you get covered in shit but only the pig likes it.

        Just started the sequel to the book. The prologue says there’s more of a focus on solutions in this one.

        • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

          Hang around a while. You’ll develop something like Stockholm syndrome!

          Don’t be offended but I think most people are full of shit. I don’t hold it against anybody. Libertarians, Ron Paulites etc. are full of shit in their own way and so are anarchists and marxists.

          But then everyone has their good points too. My favorite contemporary Philosopher is Slajov Zizek. But I am not a Marxist.

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBkrID3nYMw

      • Ittabena

        Agreed, and agreed.

        However, I fired you off a long response above and you have not come back on it yet. I seriously expected something besides a just down vote.

        • http://twitter.com/TedHeistman Ted Heistman

          generally don’t down vote anybody. I will get to it.

          • Ittabena

            >generally don’t down vote anybody.

            Yeah, me either.

    • Ittabena

      >a contingent of disinformation agents

      Psst, echar, they’re on to us. The jig is up! Fire up the Lear jet, I’ll be right there. Don’t forget the bags of money.

      BTW, am a proud grandfather as of six months ago, so…

      • Geoff Henry

        Just because you’re old doesn’t mean you’ve grown up, ittabena

        • Ittabena

          Well, I have certainly matured past mud slinging. Now I stick to facts, evidence, open discussion, and respect for my fellow man, or poster as the case may be. I never abused anyone, I merely questioned motives and pointed out a huge problem with a group’s tactics.

          You will find that this site works out a little better for you if you remember basic rules of civility, but then don’t most things?

          It also helps alot if you don’t let your pride get hurt so easily and keep your anger in check. This is a discussion, and the very reason for our right of free speech. I thought the WAC and their supporters were all for that. Or is it just for some?

          So…

          Having said all that, would you like to take a stab at addressing the message instead of resorting to the very same character assassination that you all, as if on cue, hate FOX News for? Would you care to illuminate us all on how and where I was wrong? I wait with baited breath, and I will be happy to discuss my level of maturity further after you have done so.

          (Wanna know a secret? Don’t tell anyone… I don’t even give out down votes. I think that even they are a subtle infringement on the free speech of others.)

          One last thing… Just because you have chosen up one of the sides that are quite conveniently out there waiting for us, does not mean that you qualify as a free thinker. You have just joined a herd that thinks it is not a herd. The question is just how many herds does the rancher own? And if you have never, for even a moment, considered the possibility of all this then you are a mark waiting for a con man. You should be more careful. Really.

          Try watching “The Flim Flam Man with George C. Scott. It will help you out on this score, and it will give you a laugh, which I think you could use.

          Oh, and I’m not old, just a grandfather.

          • Geoff Henry

            Just because you’re creative and smug with your mud slinging doesn’t mean you don’t do it. But since you’ve elevated the dialogue, allow me to explain my position. I am frustrated by apathetic know-it-all do nothing people allowing things to collapse around them while complaining that’s there’s no point to fighting and worse, undermining the efforts of those who would help them. I can’t understand our propensity to argue with each other while we’re marched to veritable slave camps. Thats what i was referring to with disinfo agents. It’s not the facts they skew but the perception of them. This forum could be used to share helpful information like what I will give you below. I work 60 hours a week and barely get to see my daughter grow up. I see we have the tools, knowledge, and capability to live in what the bible describes as Eden. I’m not religious, it’s just another irony that a system of belief which references paradise eternal is used to divide and destroy the paradise we have. Dean Kamen’s water filter, Spectrolab’s 35%+ efficiency solar cells, Aptera electric cars (which went out of business but you should read the tech behind it and see it was the best design to date), and aquaponics would give us food, water, and energy in a sustainable way. Since Dean won’t sell the filter yet, I’ve gone with multipure.

            So FYI I don’t follow anyone, I’m not running to the honey pot, I am securing non GMO food, clean water, and energy with a house that’s paid for in So Cal for my family. But I don’t want to do it alone. I want everyone to do it as well which would make everything better for all of us. Corporations are working hard to destroy our resources so we have to purchase every drink of water and breath of air. So I defend myself when people try to cut me down because I know what I’m fighting for.

          • Ittabena

            You have me all wrong sir. I am aware of all the problems you mention and I am indeed aware that they are problems. Very serious ones I might add. But you fail to address my question repeatedly. So I will ask it again; How is what Luke is doing helping us?

            I have been researching the problems you mention since I was 16 years old and a Social Studies instructor told us about the Kennedy assassination. I have, at one time, maintained a website to help inform people of these problems. My concern is that some of those that say they are helping, are actually not helping us at all. Perhaps if I rephrase my question a little. Is what Luke is doing going to convert people so that we can reach critical mass and accomplish real changes, or are they actually alienating the very people that we need to win over to our side?

            I have explained this before on this site: I used to be a Jonesie, and a quite rabid one too. I applaud anyone’s efforts to help the cause, but I can also see through sheep’s clothing as the saying goes. If someone ostensibly says that they are helping us, but their actions do the opposite, all that is left to wonder over is their motivation.

            Perhaps Luke thinks that this is helping us, I do not know. Perhaps, Luke hasn’t noticed that he has been doing the same thing for 12 years now with no constructive change occurring, again I don’t know. Perhaps Luke has the best intentions but cannot see that his friend Alex has led him down a dead alley. This is entirely possible. But perhaps Luke has found a way to be in the limelight, have his face recognized and live well without actually having a real job. All of these options are possible but we cannot know which one is true without being in Luke’s head.

            When I was a Jonesie, my life was full of dread, and fear, and the worry that we just did not have very long left. Sound familiar? My attitude went to hell, my luck turned very bad, and people thought I was a nut. This made me question why and how Alex and his little entourage had become sacred cows in my mind when I gave no one else that pass without some serious consideration. I, as do so many others, took Alex as a good guy without even the tiniest investigation. I pulled of my rose colored spectacles for a moment and took a closer look. Once I did, I did not like what I found.

            It is my contention that you will be able to see this too, if you look. I think that pride gets in our way an awful lot here in the Western Hemisphere, and we seem to have a real hatred for admitting that we have been fooled.

            I help to manage a small independent grocery store in WA where I educate people almost daily about the dangers that are posed by the food that they carelessly select. HFCS, Aspartame – now being relabeled AminoSweet – hormones, antibiotics, these are the things that I help people avoid, so don’t think that we are so different.

            I am working towards relocating overseas to teach English there. My first goal is a retirement, but the second goal, which may well replace the first, is to return to this country, buy a little bit of land and start a school for sustainable living. I understand earthbag homes, water and power supply, organic farming and methane recovery, and plan to incorporate all of these into the school. So far I have a couple Universities interested, and even a Federal Agency willing to give me money and high schoolers to help. But first I must get the land. (Thank you for the info, I will be looking into the Aptera and Dean’s filters.)

            None of what was in the previous two paragraphs could have happened when I was a Jonesie. At that time I was so full of fear and dread that I could think about doing these things for myself, but never would it have occurred to me to try to help others do it too. Since I have been on the wagon where Alex and his crew are concerned my life has greatly improved, and I am, this time, genuinely working for change.

            When I was a Jonesie I was full of anger and blind with rage. Going to work was a monumental effort because I felt like I was wasting time that could have been spent in a more productive way. Now I am saying that this is the very purpose which is intended, to lead us around in circles, blind us with rage and generally make our lives miserable. Think about it, could you imagine a better way to keep us sidelined than this?

            Fear has always been used by despotic governments to keep the opposition quieted, or in fear. What if this time around they have figured out how to generate the fear while manipulating us into revering the man/people that generate it for us, indeed, even defend them tooth and nail?

            I did not like being fooled either, but I had to admit to the possibility and finally look or stop considering myself a free thinker.

            BTW, the website that I used to maintain used the motto, “Nothing Is As It Seems”, but during that time I took Alex at face value. Shame on me!

            Smug? No. If I were smug I could not mention that I am in fact a member of We Are Change. Joined shortly after 9/11, but there has not been the slightest sign of change from these folks’ misguided efforts and I no longer support their counter productive antics.

            As much as I hate admitting being fooled, I hate being fooled even more.

            {And another seed has been planted.}

          • Geoff Henry

            Ah ha! a constructive dialogue has been reached. I wish there was a way to securely reach out to you directly. We are of like mind and I think many others on this site are as well, but I see an attitude that undermines each other. There’s such a relatively small number of informed people that to see them waste the limited time we have to capture this online advantage just blows me away.

            Anyway, to answer your question, I do think Luke has matured considerably in his approach to journalism. That his presence does not negatively influence the perception of Bilderberg or any other groups that wish to control and enslave us. We’re cattle in their eyes no matter what we do. And, yes his actions may turn some from the cause, but for the vast majority, he’s a positive influence. A far as Bilderberg, his actions influence them into changing venues, or practices. If they operated with anonymity then it would be easier for them which would reduce the required security if you we’re to really go get them. But if he’s merely antagonizing them, I’m grateful he’s willing to put his face in front of their cameras so I don’t have to. The protest seemed foolish with the bullhorns but look at how much social change happened in the 70’s getting in the street. That’s what it takes.

            Jones is IMO counterproductive. I spent a lot of time on his site in 2004, after seeing loose change but I think he’s popped a valuable blood vessel in a rant. He tries too hard, grasping at straws and getting on TV like a complete puppet doing exactly what Morgan expected. And unfortunately I told a friend about him back then but my friend still follows him blindly. I alienated myself by talking about building 7, free fall speeds, one hole in the pentagon, and a lack of a plane at the crash site of flight 83. It’s hard to provide for your family by yourself. So I shut up for a few years, worked my a.. off and now am getting close to getting off grid and spending more time with the ones that matter to me.

            All of these statements a merely opinions though. Your direction of running a school is action and that’s real change. There’s a documentary called greening the desert. Got me researching permaculture and I found there’s a lot of people running schools on their property to help educate others how to do it. Then a co-worker turned me on to aquaponics which there a also several sleep safe program and aquaponics facilities here in So Cal. Just out of curiosity, how many ads do you need and where?

          • Ittabena

            >how many ads do you need and where?

            Ads? Is that short for something, or did you mean acres? If I am being thick here forgive me. Still waiting for the coffeemaker to do it’s thing.

            If you do mean acres I was originally thinking 40 but have recently changed that to 80 – although 120 would make it easier to do the field rotation the way I’ve seen it done. So far the thinking on where is Okanogan WA. I am near Seattle at the moment and the growing season is just too short here to make it easily do-able. WA is weird in that one side of the mountains is rainforest and the other side of the State is grassy desert. I am trying to balance the availability of wood for fuel with a decent growing season. The universities that are interested are WA based so…

            As for the main point of our debate. To me Alex is a pressure relief valve put in place purposely to prevent things like the protests of the 70s. He seems to be untouchable and never hassled when most of those who have truly spoke up on our behalf are dead, and none from old age or natural causes.

            My theory is this. By propping up an ersatz leader, the angry mob can be controlled. We hear Alex rant and we feel better, not alone, and as if someone is doing something about it. But is he doing anything about anything besides ranting like a possessed creature? Does he mention that every call, telegram, email that Congressman receive is multiplied by 1300 to give them the number of people displeased about an issue, but who will not contact them. I think you can see where this multiplier could be used as a tool to our advantage, but Alex only occasionally mentions call your Congressman, and then only a passing reference.

            Much of this response are things I have said here before, so there are probably several that are rolling their eyes as i speak. Still I will repeat since you are unaware of my position.

            About 4 or 5 years ago Alex released the MIAC documents. The day he did, two things happened; I called his office and asked for permission to reprint it on my own site, and a woman from Missouri picked the same day to become an activist. Her name is Catherine Bleisch.

            The following video is of a protest that she was involved in in Austin TX. Catherine and her group invited Alex to come and be a guest speaker. I do not know if he declined the invitation or just never responded but the group went ahead with their protest. Below is a video of what happened at the event.

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMGRVqIz9ko

            Could this be the result of a breakdown in communication inside the office of a Communicator? Perhaps, but that is a little thin to me. Alex knew who Catherine was, had featured her story on Infowars as though he were proud, and yet we have the above.

            Also, I spent all my life in Catholic private schools which meant that I had 13 years of “Do as we say, not as we do.” taught to me. Not being one of the dimmer kids in class this didn’t sit well. Had a similar effect on my sister as well. That and a love of history caused me to research religion. What I found did not bring me back into the fold.

            When I was a Jonesie I would run across people in the comment sections that would thump on the Bible, especially Revelations, and proclaim the end is near. As a researcher I understood about the two Councils of Nicaea and the resulting Ecumenical Councils in which what was in our Canonical Bible was decided, and edited for the first time.

            However whenever I would post a reply concerning this fact from history, it would be summarily cut. What? A man who rails almost daily about censorship, censoring his own website? How could my hero do this?

            Well this can be accounted for by mentioning that much of his fan base are coming from the religious right, or that allowing this comment could effect sales of DVDs and T’shirts true. But that effectively removes him from the watchdog category and puts him squarely in the “for profit” arena. Either way he is not what he pretends to be.

            Of course I have seen other things since then, but the above two were what originally caused be to become suspicious of Mr. Jones. But what I have seen since has convinced me that Alex has been put in place to afford TPTB some degree of control over those of us who see things swirling in the toilet bowl as they prepare to go down the drain.

            The fear alone that he generates and broadcasts each day is enough to freeze a brave man in his tracks. As well, if you take the time to follow his stories back to the original many, many times the amount of spin that has been applied just to make the story worthy of printing on his site, is simply amazing.

            To me Alex is COINTELPRO pure and simple. I can see no other motivation that could possibly explain it all.

            I am a poster to this site, though not a prolific one just yet, so I will ask Mr. Staggs if it is possible for me to email you as per your request in your last comment. (Actually, since there is a link in this comment, I believe I just did.) Or if not, if it is possible to give you my email privately somehow. Since we have shared interests it would be to our mutual benefit down the road.

            Matt, what say you?

            I am glad we are no longer at odds, so to speak.

          • Ittabena

            I have not neglected you Geoff, comment is awaiting moderation.

      • echar

        I’ll meet you at the safe-house with our new identities.

        • Ittabena

          Good, I’m tired of being Ish Kabibble. I don’t think people are buyin’ it.

          • echar

            Alright, will Shecky Greene work for you?

          • Ittabena

            Hey, I like that one! Do I have to appear in the Poconos though?

            “Hey! I’m here all week, try the veal.”

          • echar

            *whistles the Girl From Ipanema

    • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

      I am disinformation hear me roar.

  • echar

    Next thing you know they are going to inform us why they are important. They wouldn’t do that, it’s insulting to our intelligence. Oh wait!

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