• Kenneth Williams

    The vibe I usually get from disinfo is somewhat contra christian/religious wingnuts…so, tell me, (confusion is my ordinary state of mind): having checked up on this guy’s background and found all these biblical quotes and endtime prophecy beliefs, should I take him more or less seriously than the fundamentalist christian who “called for Indigenous people to repent for their ancestors’ animistic beliefs”? Just wondering if there’s a qualitative difference between them…really…

    • Calypso_1

      The first place I ever heard about Bilderberg was growing up in a church heavily populated by Birchers. The xtian conspiracy community predates much of what is found in the secular community. We had speakers on UFOs being demonic manifestations in league with the coming NWO/antichrist.

      I have come to believe that many of the roots of modern conspiracy theory were in the purview of propaganda operations both internal & external to the US during the Cold War.

    • Juan

      Well, as far as I’m concerned, there goes his credibility. A fucking Jeeeeezzzzzuuuuuusssssah whacko.
      I guess it was the lack of southern accent that threw me.
      Actually, that was my first reaction. But just because the guy may have beliefs that I find abhorrent, does not mean that everything he says is bullshit.
      The difference I see between this guy and the crazy church lady, is that this guy was not speaking on behalf of an entire belief system and attacking another. He was stating his opinions in regard to questions he was asked.

      • gustave courbet

        I’ve found that people are very good at compartmentalizing their minds in a variety of ways, allowing irrational beliefs to coexist with very rational evidence based beliefs. It is strange that they don’t snap under the strain of cognitive dissonance but, it seems to be a wide-spread human talent. Gosling is actually a pretty good example of this phenomenon, having never applied his political and historical analysis to his metaphysical beliefs.

      • Tony Gosling

        You don’t have to be crazy to believe in God and The Bible. why should it matter whether you do or don’t when researching or writing? Look into the tradition of Christian Socialism for example and you’ll see almost all the sensible Christian organisations have been smashed by sociopaths like Tony Blair.
        Socialism worked very well here in the UK back in the 1950s and 1960s and goes to show it’s all about making sure you’ve not got the secret societies and their greedy footsoldiers running things.

        • Juan

          Tony, I really appreciated your response and how you came across in the interview.
          Coming form the US, and having experienced first-hand the nefarious effects of evangelical Christianity and its various iterations, and being aware of all the horrors perpetrated throughout history in the name of that religion, I am extremely averse and put off by anything Christian. I know that there are good people who hold Christian beliefs, but for me, Christianity is so tainted that anyone or anything associated with it is suspect. I can’t help it. It is a bias I am prepared to live with.

          • Juan

            Christianity is anathema to me. Somehow, this got me thinking about enemies. At first, I thought, I don’t have any enemies. And that is certainly true, if by enemy you mean people that I have some kind of personal animosity towards, none of those. But, I certainly have ideological enemies, political enemies and spiritual enemies; got lots of those.
            Christianity is one of those. In fact, since it touches on all three levels, it is especially problematic.

        • Calypso_1

          I would be very interested to know how much experience you have with – let’s say, ‘conspiracy’ or ‘alt history’ minded christian groups in the States.
          If you do, & feel so inclined, your perspective on the differences in your views/self-presentation v. American groups would be insightful.
          As Juan stated, many here have had extremely negative experiences w/ such groups. Many denizens of this site also come directly from this background. This provides a potential common ground with xtians who share similar views of the world/powers that be, even if they do not hold the same spiritual or theological perspective.

          • Tony Gosling

            I have no experience with US Christian groups – even over here much of the establishment church identifies with the Jewish state – but much less here in the UK than in the USA.
            Christian Zionism is foundation funded in an impoverished age and many people know no better
            Much better to look at it s following Christ the person and the Bible as the history of the struggle of the faithful against giant man made state structures.
            Indeed the early Christians for the first 3-400 years were an underground persecuted minority. May become so again?
            There are so many fake churches out there, I see them all the time here in the UK, where ‘pastors’ are arrogant, often US trained BTW, and lead their flocks over a cliff. That’s because people don’t want to think for themselves.
            The Bible is a wonderful tale with many many lessons for today – both old and new testament and most Western churches have entirely lost sight of it because of their power and ownership priorities and lack of faith

    • gustave courbet

      Good question Kenneth, I asked the same things after first running across Gosling. He seemed so measured and rational in video interviews, yet his website smacks of fundamentalist myopia. Having delved into the info a bit, I would say that Tony’s historical analysis holds up under (non-christian) scrutiny, but if you want a concise academic treatment of the subject check out “The Bilderberg Group and the project of European Unification” by Mike Peters. Gosling actually links to this article, but it is a measured academic assessment sans paranoia, hyperbole, and biblical prophesy.

  • Juan

    This was an articulate, well thought out, passionate, yet measured discourse. The very antithesis of that assclown Alex Jones.

    • gustave courbet

      very true

  • echar

    What this man doesn’t know is that the sky vaginaists run everything

    • Juan

      Are you sure it’s not The Flying Spaghetti Monster that actually runs everything?

      • echar

        Toe-may-toe
        Toe-mah-toe

        • Juan

          Indeed;)