• SA23

    There’s nothing wrong with an actually free market — the problem is with policies rooted in state violence, like the creation of the Federal Reserve or IRS. People can peacefully trade — that causes no problems, it is when the government grants privilege to capitalists in the form of protectionism, monopoly rents and suppression of labor.

    Here, read this:

    http://www.fee.org/the_freeman/detail/the-many-monopolies#axzz2X63ZTg9R

    • kowalityjesus

      yeah, dude. you rock

  • kowalityjesus

    the peanut gallery is finding an inconsistency in that Mr Camp insinuates that big banks essentially make all their profits from subsidies, which is clearly not free market capitalism, then goes on to complain about big banks as the paragons of free-market capitalism.

    Calling markets “shit” is like calling math “shit.” Supply and demand is not something you can particularly argue ‘against.’ Look around you, we are on the internet. How much of the internet would NOT exist if market forces drove all activities? Altruism and charity are ubiquitous predicates in human society, its called being “cool” or being “un-cool.” Markets just form a basis; the more transparency…the more people are cognizant of bullshit like cutting down forests to burn in power plants, or low-wage labor used to produce their housewares…the cooler people will be in their choices of where to put their money, and thus the more conscientious the market will be. Of course people need time to be able to care about these things and impartial information resources to make viable decisions. This is called being optimistic, and it doesn’t always work in the real world, but at least it presents solutions to complaints instead of reveling in a pile of poo.

    • DrDavidKelly

      Yes and no … I mean looking after people shouldn’t be subject to the rules of supply and demand. Shouldn’t we just do it because it’s nice?

      • kowalityjesus

        Looking after people has historically been a tenant of the family unit. Many prolific world religions, including Christianity, espouse the philosophy that EVERYONE should be looked at as your nuclear family. Pardon my cynicism, but let me know when you get to that point, and I will wholeheartedly agree with you.

        • DrDavidKelly

          Ideally but I dont think our brains are wired that way. Too much time hunting and gathering, competing for natural resources like any other animal. It’s a nice ideal though. As an individual I can see the problems of trying to extend my care to everybody on the planet over and above myself but as a government it should be a core policy. In Australia we have welfare and a newly established disability scheme but of course it is always being eroded by those politicians who think that an individual is of no worth if they cannot work and contribute to society.

          • kowalityjesus

            It is indeed unintuitive. I think it is harder to have a welfare state in a society that is not ethnically similar, which is why there has been problems in the US. It gets harder to treat everyman as your brother when you look very different, but the spirit underneath is of the same substance. It is also difficult to vie with those who plunder the good will of others, but its almost a necessary evil in order to cover all shades of unneeded neediness. Some question arises whether that good-will should come from the state (which was pioneered by Bismarck in only late 19th century Germany) or we should rather NOT legislate to redistribute wealth. That is a difficult complaint to overcome, because you are essentially seizing the authority of knowing what’s best for individuals and enforcing it through the state. I vie that no amount of legislation can account for institutionalized uncoolness.

          • DrDavidKelly

            I’ve never understood why some people begrudge others obtaining welfare. I’m not jealous of the man who collects his measly cheque every week from the government. It’s bearly enough to survive on. In Australia at least the payment is so low it simply isn’t. I do however think it is unfair to collect welfare when you earn enough money to support yourself. One way around that might be to pay everybody ‘welfare’ regardless of how much money you earn. We know the practised alternative to that idea. Giving everybody enough money so they can eat, drink and put a roof over their head might be projecting authority over others but last time I checked those things were essential to staying alive. It’s a hard argument calling the essentials for life uncool.

          • kowalityjesus

            The problem of the government “giving” money to everyone is the fact that government does not own anything, it simply takes from someone and gives to someone else. Therefore who would you take from if you were giving money to everyone? And if you could cruise along on next to nil (like I am, except with my own money) and even reproduce using public resources, what has the individual become besides a function of the state? This would be a ridiculous parody of the America envisioned by the founding fathers, which is why I am nominally libertarian. I’m also Catholic, so when I get money I try to spread it around as compassionately as possible. Like Gandhi said, “be the change…”

          • Guest

            I would take from everyone.

          • kowalityjesus

            whops

        • DrDavidKelly

          Ideally but I dont think our brains are wired that way. Too much time hunting and gathering, competing for natural resources like any other animal. It’s a nice ideal though. As an individual I can see the problems of trying to extend my care to everybody on the planet over and above myself but as a government it should be a core policy. In Australia we have welfare and a newly established disability scheme but of course it is always being eroded by those politicians who think that an individual is of no worth if they cannot work and contribute to society.

      • Cesar Saenz

        everything is ruled by supply and demand it is the universe. you should want to be nice not made to difference. you comies only know by force

  • BuzzCoastin

    people aren’t getting this NewSpeak thing
    free means not free
    free market means rigged market
    the right to privacy means no right to privacy
    but
    as long as people fail to recognize NewSpeak is de rigueur in Der Homeland
    and that mass media works for the Min of Truth
    misunderstandings like Lee’s will persist

    • Cesar Saenz

      the free market means the free market the only rigged markets come from you ideologies and corpotism.

  • The Well Dressed Man

    Excellent choice of freeze frame. Classic open-mouth mid-vowel exclamation. Bonus hand caught in mid-gesture. THIS is the moment of clarity!

  • Cesar Saenz

    what a big ass schmuck. first everything is apart of the market. the free market doesnt mean for free but open. So everything we do adjusts the market if we give for free tax higher, help a neighbor everything. thats what makes the market amazing that like the universe it is uncontrollable. also subsidizing banks is not capitalism its your shitty socialism method that is killing us. You ppl just stop your thoughts have mass and dont think of conseqeunces or the next step.

    • misinformation

      Dude. Bank bailouts are totally part of the free market. So are licensing agencies, building codes, accreditation, blah, blah blah….

  • misinformation

    Does Lee Camp think that the United States has a free market? I guess if he went to compulsory gov’t schooling, he might.

  • BuzzCoastin

    Thank you Thered3065
    excellent example of NewSpeak
    kinda like when the US indicted Snowdon
    for spying on the spys

  • Rhoid Rager

    I liked how it included a three-line blurb at the end seemingly customized to the title of the article. That was actually a little spooky. Do they have an algo at work here?

  • Rhoid Rager

    Nevermind, I see what happened. It copy and pasted a comment below. That’s fuk’d.

  • BuzzCoastin

    they are not always bots
    I discovered this when one of them replied to me
    but that coulda been a bot too

    but yes
    I did think it was kinda bot NewSeak

  • DrDavidKelly

    Whoa that’s my comment at the end? How odd?

  • BuzzCoastin

    it could be cleaver bot code
    or the spammer was actually reading comments
    before the spam drop
    but my question is
    if his cousin is making $51 an hour
    what is this dude making for reading & spamming
    I’m thinking I could make a couple Bennies a day on DisInfo

  • Rhoid Rager

    You might be able to make a few thousand Bennie bucks before everyone realizes that it’s actually just toilet paper their using.

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