Graham Hancock and Lorna Byrne Video Conversation

In this fascinating dialogue, two bestselling authors and leading aficionados of life’s spiritual dimension discuss the major questions at the heart of their latest respective books and personal journeys – from the nature of reality and the spirit world, to the limits of science and the infiniteness of consciousness

  • Is there a battle between Good and Evil?
  • Do we only see a fraction of reality?
  • Do Angels walk amongst us all the time and what would it take to see them?
  • Why are some people drawn to the Dark side?
  • How much do the daily choices we make affect the positive future of the universe?

Graham Hancock – investigator of ancient mysteries and author of Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind, Entangled: The Eater of Souls and several No.1 non-fiction bestsellers – is renowned worldwide for his unorthodox examination of ancient cultures, sacred traditions and contemporary shamanism. Increasingly iconic following US media giant TED’s recent vetoing of his TEDx talk The War on Consciousness, Graham’s latest bestselling supernatural adventure novel War God tells the story of the Spanish conquest of Mexico and explores the powerful demonic forces behind this gargantuan clash of civilisations which was to wreak terror and destruction in the land of the Aztecs.

Lorna Byrne is an Irish widowed mother of four who sees angels everywhere among us as clearly as ordinary folk see people. Publically coming out as an Angel Seer with the release of her first book Angels in My Hair in 2008, she has now authored three international bestsellers and leads the way in the booming “angelic encounter” genre of non-fiction.  Her latest Sunday Times Bestseller, A Message of Hope from the Angels shares her comforting message that we all have angels to support us in the face of life’s challenges whose messages can help us lead happier, more fulfilled lives.

The exciting Youtube dialogue between the two authors explores the ongoing spiritual warfare at play between the forces of good and evil, the presence and purpose of guardian angels in our lives, and a whole gamut of big spiritual life issues – from working with angels and protecting ourselves from demonic entities, to the importance of our everyday life choices and their implications for us in this life and beyond.

Also discussed is the threat posed by reductionist science for limiting our potential for spiritual experience, as well as the dangers posed by science, technology and genetic engineering to the preservation of our souls, and the power of the internet for global awakening, discovering our interconnectedness and uniting all races.

Central to the conversation is the influence of angels and demons on human affairs.  While angels have a positive influence – bearing for Lorna “messages of hope” – both Graham and Lorna agree that negative supernatural entities can often masquerade as God duping humans into undertaking wicked acts in his name, as portrayed by Graham in War God where the two sparring leaders are in daily contact with the same demon – appearing to Cortes as St Peter and to Moctezuma as the deity Huitzilpochtil – stoking the flames of conflict between the Spanish and the Aztecs.

During the dialogue, Lorna says she sees demons amongst us, just as she sees angels, but God protects her from these demons. “The dark side knows it’s out of bounds with me, its wasting its time, but it doesn’t mean they don’t try,” she says.

Despite their shared sense of prevalent evil in the world, both authors are hopeful that “Good will win in the end”, expressing their faith in a bright younger generation all around the world awakening to living more consciously and harmoniously, in unity – undivided by religion or race – empowered by the global communications of the internet.

Lorna Byrne says: “This is one of the futures I have been shown, that we become one race… We are all brothers and sisters, we need to reach out and touch each other. And we can’t give up on each other. We can’t say, ‘Just because that’s over in that country and I’m here and I’m fine, I’ll do nothing about it’. What are the children of the future going to say?  ‘Why did you do nothing?’ “

Graham Hancock concludes: “That’s our responsibility – not to stand by and do nothing, but to be actively involved and make active choices for the good. For the light.  And to build this community of hope.”

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  • http://wildernessvagabonds.com/ Mike Lewinski

    The idea that there is a supernatural force of evil that we’re fighting is itself the cause of great evil in this world. Even today in Africa, South America and New Guinea (among other places) women are still regularly killed for alleged “witchcraft”, as they have been for centuries. For example, see some recent reports:

    http://rendezvous.blogs.nytimes.com/2013/02/19/women-tortured-killed-as-witches-in-papua-new-guinea-in-2013/?_r=0

    http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/news/2012/09/05/woman-killed-and-burned-in-colombia-over-suspected-witchcraft/

    http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/NewsArchive/artikel.php?ID=263882

    There is a much simpler and more logical explanation for why people do evil things (like burn suspected witches alive) given in this quote:

    “There can be no self-respect without respect for others, no love and reverence for others without love and reverence for oneself; and no recognition of others is possible without the imagination. The imagination of what it is to be those other forms of life that want to live is the only way to recognition; and it is that imaginative recognition that brings compassion to birth. Man’s capacity for evil, then, is less a positive capacity, for all its horrendous activity, than a failure to develop man’s most human function, the imagination, to its fullness, and consequently a failure to develop compassion.”
    - Denise Levertov, “Origins of a Poem”

    • rhetorics_killer

      This is why it is very easy, too, to produce so-called ‘evil’ by just doing nothing or failing, this with no intent to do so.

  • Adamas Macalz

    fear of the dark is only limiting someone’s spiritual growth… there is much to be gained in communication with the “demonic” forces both internal(the jungian shadow) and external(though it is debatable whether they are conscious the way you and I are conscious), as for them giving horrible advice… here’s some advice… Don’t be a fucking idiot, if you get into contact with a demon and it tells you to go kill your wife and kids and you listen then you deserve whatever you get

  • Monkey See Monkey Do

    Demons are useful and we need them. You have been tricked if you ignore the demons altogether, use them don’t let them use you and don’t go insane trying to banish them, they are as much of a guide as the angels. Angels and demons are like Yin & Yang, there’s good and evil in each side your on. The dark mage working for good illuminates the demon and controls it, the controlled demon appears to the light worker as an angel and advises them. The circle of life.

    • Monkey See Monkey Do

      Or in other words for those who are rationally inclined. For the universe to create out of itself it has to negate itself. Ananda shakes.

  • Amacai Zerand

    I am such a hypocrite. I read posts like this (haven’t watched the vid yet, no time, but will later) and just roll my eyes when people speak of angels in this manner. And yet I have no problem at all with Thad McFadden’s posts.

    Maybe I need to look at my definitions of terms.

    • Cyprus Mulch

      When the going gets weird, the Christmas card “angels” manifest as “extradimensional entities.”

      I have similar issues with the use of language to describe the transmundane. I think it comes from a lifetime of alienation in a country in which “Christianity” is the dominant religion.

      I think maybe the central lesson of this Information Age is the acceptance of multiple realities, multiple perspectives, multiple vocabularies…and maybe most importantly, multiple METAPHORS.

  • ellipse73

    why is this nonsense even published here? why is mr. hancock talking to this woman? is being confused and misguided (to avoid saying insane) the new fad to get you in media? or is this some new sort of humour?

    good and evil are oversimplifications that stem from our palaeolithic 2-dimensional territorial mind. in fact there are no such things in nature, it’s just absurd. another atavistic concept is the “war” between some invisible factions. whatever this woman sees, it clearly comes from her own imagination (being irish, she has probably had some tough catholic upbringing). the primitive byblical references betray that.

    while i consider myself a panpsychist with plenty of “spiritual” experience, and a fan of graham hancock’s work, it just saddens me immensely to see him get so low. it won’t add to his credentials as a researcher, to be seen talking to this kooky housewife who apparently hasn’t found another way to support her 4 children but to write a book about angels… it works apparently, but what a banal subject matter.

  • Juan

    I could not sit through the whole thing. It made me cringe. When she started talking about seeing angles or “entities” all the time and that she could show them to Graham, but she wouldn’t because “they” did to want to be filmed; well, I had to leave.
    I was embarassed for Hancock.

    • Monkey See Monkey Do

      Same. Graham Hancock has made me cringe plenty of times. But he’s working through things just as everybody else is, his work especially helps people who have been so disenchanted with science that they end up throwing the baby out with the bath water. This didn’t help his rep with me though.

  • Ted Heistman

    So here we have Satan, in a battle with God for the souls of mankind, deceiving people into inflicting untold suffering on each other. OK that’s the premise. So along with this premise is the idea that God is the more powerful of the two, and could stop this evil from going on, but chooses to let it go on. He alone is sovereign, omniscient, ominpotent etc. So really whatever Satan does to anyone was really done to them by God.

    Just like if I have a vicious dog in my house, that I feed everyday and keep around which bites all my house guests again and again. I am responsible. I could have the dog put down or muzzled or kept in a cage, yet instead I let it run amok and bite people. I am responsible.

    So God is responsible for Evil. Am I seeing this the right way?

    • Cyprus Mulch

      Youth: Why does God allow Evil to exist in the world?

      Rabbi: To make the story more interesting.

    • Monkey See Monkey Do

      Yeah its Ignorant to attach human-like intelligence onto a hypothesis such as God. Its just an idea extrapolated out of a very real philosophical problem. The problem of evil. Why does it exist? what is its purpose? does it exist? does it have a purpose? You don’t have to get airy-fairy about this shit if you don’t want to but why destroy other peoples metaphors when you have metaphors of your own.

      Think of evil in terms of hate, greed, violence, lack of empathy, torture, rape, domination and control. I’ve always wondered what is inherently wrong with attaching a deity to these feelings and actions, its real enough for the people that cant prevent themselves from hallucinating/channelling. If only all of them had developed a will to power like that of R.A.W.

      • Ted Heistman

        I think its a very complicated issue.

    • Guest

      The way I see it Ted is that this may be a problem with dualism, which, in the West has been a useful way (up to a point) of mentally arranging the world in the West for a couple of thousand years or so. God and Satan are

      • Ted Heistman

        Did you get cut off?

  • Ted Heistman

    The Christian concept of the Devil is heavily influenced by Pan, a Greek Nature Deity associated with wine and fertility.
    Therefore:

    Nature is Evil

    Sex is Evil

    Wine is Evil.

    Just thought I would clear that up. If you think this is far fetched talk to a Right wing tee-totaling Christian Republican some time. I should know I was one. This article has been very helpful to me in unpacking all this Christian baggage:

    http://www.jmm.org.au/articles/15147.htm

  • Ted Heistman

    I have been watching more clips of her and I have come to like her. I still find New Age teachers, with some special ability to see things others can’t as being irksome. I still think viewing the world as a clear cut battle between good and evil as a very problematic viewpoint.

    But I can neither verify nor deny that she sees angels (and demons) I will say her message seems positive and inclusive rather than divisive. Over all it seems harmless, and seems to make others happy. She also does consider herself and “ordinary person” and seems to believe that we worked at it, the rest of us could see angels too. I find that plausible, since since I seem to have a vague sense of psi phenomena. More developed than some maybe and less developed than others.

    The thing is though, I mean “evil” is open to very subjective interpretations and I think historically Christians have demonized eros.

    The gist I get of Graham Hancock’s view of evil is that its the manifestation of the desire to control other people and deny them free will. The problem is people become powerful, often by people giving away they power.

    One way this has been accomplished historically is by priesthoods claiming a special communication with God, which people often took their word on and gave their power to.

    So in my opinion, she is walking a fine line. But she seems to be walking it rather gracefully and humbly.

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