• Eric Smith

    Greenwald is employed by the Guardian, one of the pillars of the global establishment. He is not a journalist.

    • BuzzCoastin

      Clarification:
      Greenwald had to become an employee of the Guardian
      because free speech in the Land of the Fee
      when it comes to whistleblowing
      is only protected for on the payroll journalists
      if he released that stuff on his own, he’d be jailed

      this way, Uncle Homeland can get his news bitches
      to snitch on the snitches
      because they need Uncle Homey’s news bitch to keep them out of jail

      • Eric Smith

        Britain is a colony of the United States. The Guardian is as much an intelligence asset as the Washington Post. Assange is an intel asset, so is Manning. I assume Snowden is too.

        Forget playing goodies vs baddies. There are no goodies in the corporate media.

        • Rhoid Rager

          Manning is an intel asset? Does he get extra pay for being stripped naked and confined to solitary for a year?

          I agree that skepticism is merited in all human affairs outside one’s own personal network, but, holy fuck, some shit has to be real, no?

          • Eric Smith

            Manning is an unwilling intel asset like Assange. He is a transvestite soldier with ISSUES.

            Assange was busted for hacking into Nortel, looking at least 10 years and set free. I assume by MI6 / CIA.

            http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2006496,00.html#ixzz16cuIO0Fz

            He was housed in the stately home of an EMBEDDED British aristocratic filmmaker and former British army officer.

            “The 39-year-old Australian will be the subject of an atypical
            form of house arrest. Ellingham Hall, close to the village of
            Bungay, is the ancestral home of Captain Vaughan Smith, the former British Army officer and journalist who is a key supporter of the WikiLeaks editor-in-chief.”

            http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/house-arrest-on-an-estate-so-big-his-tag-may-not-work-2162641.html

            Vaughan Smith made embedded videos for the British Army in Afghanistan.

            http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/uk/embedded%2Bwith%2Bbritish%2Btroops%2Bin%2Bhelmand/3539237.html

            A real leaker, John Young of Cryptome reckons Wikileaks is a CIA front.

            http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/apr/10/wikileaks-collateral-murder-video-iraq

          • happypedro

            So… Greenwald´s articles in the Guardian are not worth looking at or trusting, because, as you say, the Guardian is an intelligence asset, but your link to the John Young article in the Guardian is legit? ..?

          • Eric Smith

            John Young is an expert, not a globe trotting little celebrity hiding from the US authorities by giving a press conference to the world’s corporate media in London (of all places).

            The Guardian article was written a month or so before the Guardian was designated to promote Wikileaks worthless information.

            Wikileaks is cartoon politics for cartoon minds.

          • happypedro

            Ah, yes, looks like I was right — you do listen to Alex Jones. Jones interviewed John Young, where Young talked about WikiLeaks. Your tone — “globe trotting celebrity” and “cartoon politics for cartoon minds” — is the kind of attitude I have noticed coming out of people who listen to Jones. I used to listen to Jones, and found it to produce this attitude — that only Jones speaks the truth, and therefore thosew ho listen to him are the only ones who know the real truth, and everyone else is wrong, suspect, just don´t get it — they have “cartoon minds.” A journalist who goes around the world — “globe trotting” — means absolutely zero about how good or bad of a journalist that person is. It´s irrelevant. What matters is how good the reporting is, not how much one travels. And I´m sure there are people who are just as famous that you like that you wouldn´t describe in the diminutive term of “little celebrity.” The information, perspectives, and strong challenges to power that Greenwald brings, in my view, is vital. And Alex Jones is far more likely to be someone working for darker intelligence forces. In the end, it is deeply suspect for anyone to really claim to know the full and real truth in great detail. The best thing to do is to focus on trying to do good by focusing on principles — using the principle of non-contradiction to get to what´s really important so as to organize to take positive healthy action.

          • Eric Smith

            Greenwald is corporate owned. Alan Rusbridger (editor) is paid $1 million a year . Alex Jones is a right wing nutter who has minor bouts of insanity live on air..

          • happypedro

            Greenwald, corporate owned? Nah.

          • Eric Smith

            My reply was sent for moderation (links)

            Assange was busted for hacking into Nortel, looking at least 10 years and set free. I assume by MI6 / CIA. He was housed in the stately home of an EMBEDDED British aristocratic filmmaker and former British army officer.

            TIME LINK

            A real leaker, John Young of Cryptome reckons Wikileaks is a CIA front.

            guardian LINK

            The 39-year-old Australian will be the subject of an atypical form of house arrest. Ellingham Hall, close to the village of Bungay, is the ancestral home of Captain Vaughan Smith, the former British Army officer and journalist who is a key supporter of the WikiLeaks editor-in-chief.”

            UK Independent LINK

            Vaughan Smith made embedded videos for the British Army in Afghanistan.

            UK Channel 4 LINK

            If it looks like a Batman film with international chases, then it has been scripted. I assume Snowden is the same.

          • Rhoid Rager

            Yeah, I saw the link waiting for approval, and wrote a reply. Here it is:

            Never denied the Assange connection. He’s always struck me as an
            elitist. Self-sacrifice appeals to me, and so Manning appeals to me.
            Can’t recall reading him trying to dodge any authorities by taking
            refuge in third party embassies/manors etc.

            But anyways, seeing
            the Apache gunship 50 cal splatter unarmed Iraqis all over the street
            probably had a lasting effect on the psyches of more than a few
            Americans. So, even if Manning is an unwilling intel asset in some
            convoluted geopolitical sense, he’s put something out there that can’t
            be unseen, and that’s all that matters in my eyes. Poor kid has taken
            the rough road to political demonization/social canonization. Good on
            ‘im.

          • misinformation

            I’m glad you changed from declarative statements:

            ‘Assange is an intel asset, so is Manning’ and ‘The reason for the creation of Wikileaks was the Arab spring’

            to: ‘I assumed Manning was a patsy too.’ and ‘reckons Wikileaks is a CIA front.’

            Because, though I may agree with parts of several of your claims, you’ve really offered nothing with regard to Manning and Snowdon and only sparse evidence to back the Assange/Wikileaks claim.

          • Eric Smith

            You are not going to get no better evidence from the criminal media or their American masters. Manning is a transvestite with ISSUES. Snowden is as phony as Obama himself.

          • misinformation

            ‘Manning is a transvestite with ISSUES.’

            Clearly, he’s an intelligence asset – after all, if A = B then
            B = giraffe.

            ‘Snowden is as phony as Obama himself.’ Rock solid.

          • Andrew

            How exactly do we know you’re not a COINTELPRO asset?

          • Eric Smith

            You have my word. I did not have sex with ‘deep throat’. OK ?

          • Eric Smith

            The reason for the creation of Wikileaks was the Arab spring, so I assumed Manning was a patsy too.

          • happypedro

            You seem to assume a lot.

        • BuzzCoastin

          right on
          but that was my point
          Greenwald is forced to report to Uncle Homeland’s bitches
          (The Guardian, NYT, et al)
          who Assange, Manning & Snowden really are remains to be seen
          but if they’re working for the American Dream Team
          I’d be surprised

        • happypedro

          You must listen to Alex Jone a lot, or some such things. From the
          comments you are making, your perspective approaches hyperbolic odd. In general, yes for the most part there are no goodies in the corporate media. But nothing is so hermetic as the 100% as you suggest.

      • Eric Smith

        Sorry, maybe I misunderstood you. Not sure exactly what you mean.

    • happypedro

      Greenwald is most definitely a journalist. And one of the few journalists who work in the vein of Edward R. Murrow and I.F. Stone. Like Abby, he puts truth to power. RT puts out, for the most part, the raw truth about the USA. The fault they have is that they aren´t as critical, from what I can see, of Russia in the same ways it is of the USA. But Greenwald is definitely a journalist. If you think he isn´t, then your definition of “journalist” is far from clear.

  • alizardx

    When was the last time Larry King did original reporting on anything? He’s a pundit. not a journalist. Whose only importance is as a corporate mouthpiece.

  • Tchoutoye

    Larry King is not a human being. The Great Oz has spoken.

  • echar

    Interesting

  • Rhoid Rager

    Let’s all get ourselves in a swirl, cuz staying silent when your gubrmint rampages around the world isn’t subjective in the least. reptilian fuck.

    • echar

      I think you may have misunderstood what he was saying, which is cool because he wasn’t exactly clear.

      I took it as if a person is in the open with claims it makes them a target for slant.

      • Rhoid Rager

        He’s a clever obfuscater… all the reptiles are. ;) he tried to paint Abby’s argument that everyone has a subjective opinion in journalism as though it’s some sort of relativism that doesn’t matter and gets us no where. As though the Cronkites and Murrows are to be canonized for their journalistic integirty owing to their neutrality. Did you happen to watch Lee Camp’s bit on staying silent the other day?–he had a great point: one can’t avoid having a political opinion no matter where you are, because politics is the social system we’re all embedded in. As Zinn said ‘you can’t stay neutral on a moving train’. There’s no such thing as journalism, if it’s defined as just reporting the facks, and nothing but the facks.

        Talking shit about people who benefit from their structural positions of power should be the most sensible to thing to do, if one admits that such benefits exist. Of course, when you’re chumming with the powerful, like King does, then maybe there’s a lot less incentive to talk shit about them. If King was claiming that journalism is not being open and making claims so as to not be a target, then he’s at least a coward. We know the game is rigged now, but it’s a grave mistake to think that there was a golden era of anything where it wasn’t rigged. Maybe that’s what sets me, an anarchist, apart from others….i tend not to be seduced by by-gone eras.

        i’m about to head out the door, so i’ll give it another watch when i get home. i probably missed some nuance in his reptilian doublespeak.

        • echar

          I didn’t watch Lee Camps latest video, I will have to. Please don’t get me wrong, king is bought and paid for, I get that. Let us called a spade a spade though, Abby Martin isn’t doing her show out of the goodness of her heart either. It’s propaganda too, and sometimes I forget that. Entertainment is two letters longer than entrainment.

          • Rhoid Rager

            And entrainment is two letters away from entrapment. ;)

  • NathanSpeller

    I like Larry King in this interview, I think his “America, Fuck Yeah” bias is embarrassing but he’s totally reasonable in his responses and reveals Abby (even though I like what she’s been presenting, and think it’s important).

    • misinformation

      You like the whole, ‘I don’t really feel the need to answer any of your questions without fallacy bombs’, thing? See previous post about the change in ‘objective journalism’ over the course of time: http://c4ss.org/content/13708

      • NathanSpeller

        That’s a good read. I certainly agree that there is a problem with the current false objectivity. There is no objectivity and every question is loaded as they agree on.

        I’ve always viewed Larry King as more of an entertainment interviewer than a journalist. I think what I like most is his calm presentation. In comparison to Abby, who often seems like she’s going to lose it.

        Should we be angry about these topics? Certainly. But when the person presenting the information is obviously strongly emotionally involved, I’m less trusting of the info. I know personally that my emotional involvement will cloud my reason. I hope a good journalist will do an amount of emotional distancing and present what facts they can in a calm manner, as atrocious as they may be.

        My favourite interviewer is Bill Moyers, I think he presents his topics rationally but is very good at asking hard questions in a respectful way.

  • VaudeVillain

    Silly Larry, thinking it’s best to let the viewer come to their own conclusion. If you don’t tell them what to think, how can they possibly think the right way?

    • misinformation

      I totally believe that he believes himself when he says that.

  • Ed Snowden

    It is clear to any thinking person, Larry King has always been a shill for the Zionist political establishment.

  • Amacai Zerand

    Why would Abby Martin even interview Larry King? It certainly gives him altitude he does not deserve. Probably because he is on RT now so they have to PR him.

    OTOH, the King of the softball question is and was certainly not a journalist.

  • Gabriel D. Roberts

    I feel like Larry King is a master of the Socratic method, simply asking questions and realizing our own subjective paths. Abby’s strong suit is that she has a backbone, she may not always be perfect as none of us are, but she has a goddamn backbone. I can think of only a handful of other journalists who speak with such a forthright manner. Larry King has been on top for so long, it doesn’t matter what he says or does, he doesn’t have to deal with the scary stuff young journalists have to deal with. He may put on the altruistic inquisitor vibe, but he still flies on his private jet to the Caribbean when weather is bad in NYC. He’ll never be gagged like the others because he has mastered the game of complacent journalism while looking like an objective and fair observer. Touché Mr. King. If only the rest of us could play the chess game so well.

  • misinformation

    After reading the comments here, I expected to be surprised by Larry King’s answers. I was pleasantly surprised to be unsurprised. Larry King is an unbelievable tool. Unbelievable. Could he have possibly answered questions less constructively? The one thing I do believe about him is that he actually doesn’t form his own opinions. He clearly waits to be told what he believes.

    Here’s an interesting article about ‘objective journalism’ and how journalism in the USA used to be about presenting opinions. The difference from then, until now, is that it may well have been the journalists actual opinion vs. the journalist just being a conduit for an elitist opinion:

    http://c4ss.org/content/13708

  • happypedro

    Larry King is an interviewer, a pundit, one who kisses up to power, not a journalist.

  • AManCalledDa-da

    Look who’s talking.

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