• echar

    How do we reach him to actually create change, through the people who got him in office?

    • Juan

      You’re joking, right?
      There is no “reaching him.” Make no mistake, he is one of “THEM.”
      That’s like poor Winston Smith expecting to get help from O’Brien.

      • echar

        :)

        • Juan

          I thought so. You almost had me going.

    • alizardx

      Dig into his background and major campaign donors and you’ll see that the people who got him elected ARE the pro-fossil fuel interests. The volunteers who were deluded into working for him and giving small donations were window dressing.

      The people behind him share the common delusion that they can buy themselves and their kids out of the consequences of climate change and other decisions they collectively made in the interests of short-term profit. Like deciding that they’d rather save on taxes by not funding infrastructure.

      When the first limo occupied by a billlonaire hits the water because a bridge nobody could find the money to fix collapses under it, they figure they can deal with it by commuting via helicopter.

      This kind of FAIL is the common factor behind the collapse of empires.

      • BuzzCoastin

        dig even deeper into his background
        and the whole birth certificate thing looks like a smoke screen

        • alizardx

          Oh, sure. Wonder if Obama cooked up that one himself.

          Just interesting that the background of real interest on him didn’t surface until years after he got elected. Amazing that the Hillarybots didn’t find it in the viciously fought primary, though they did break into the tinfoil stash to find “facts” to attack him with.

          If Obama were working for the 100%, would not care about his citizenship status, birthplace, race, species, or for that matter, planet of origin.

          Don’t actually care about any of those things now. Just that his agenda seems to be intended to add a new chapter to Jared Diamond’s book “Collapse”. Though in that scenario applied to world technological civilization, who’d be writing it?

          • BuzzCoastin

            his CIA background
            makes him predisposed to their agenda
            and their agenda is the agenda of the Carlyle Group
            among others
            he’s their head house servant

          • alizardx

            I think Obama’s promised post-Presidential payoff is a ticket into the real elite class, that he will get it, and that he also believes his wealth will insulate him (might work) and his kids (the odds don’t favor it) and his descendants (no way) from the mess he is “exercising leadership” in making at their direction.

          • BuzzCoastin

            Obama’s a robot
            he’s running on Android T-1001
            The 600 series had rubber skin. We spotted them easy, but these are new. They look human… sweat, bad breath, everything. Very hard to spot.

      • echar

        Basically, we’re doomed and Redford is wasting time?

        • alizardx

          The problem at this point is political, not technological. The elites are more concerned about losing the value of the fossil fuel assets they own than about a viable future their kids can live in, based on a delusion that their wealth can protect them from the consequences of the mistakes they are deliberately making.

          Read Jared Diamond’s “Collapse” if you haven’t to see where “we can buy ourselves out of paying the price for the mess we are making” leads. Or any good book on the fall of any empire.

          • echar

            I doubt living in underground bunkers is more attractive than above ground and fresh air. I will look into Collapse, thank you.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    So wee needs moar Nuklear power plants

  • jnana

    and see what happens when we wait for him to have the courage to follow his convictions.
    perhaps, instead, we should have the courage to follow our own convictions, ourselves, instead of hoping on somebody we don’t even know to do that.
    and what exactly would that entail? I mean, having the courage to follow our convictions? perhaps, unplugging the machines that run off of electricity. Cause guess what, their aint no clean power and their never will be; until the 2nd coming, at least. And who wants to wait for that.
    Tune in turn on drop out. And have fun playing with others who do likewise.

    • alizardx

      Will go out back, look at the windfarm across the water, and contemplate your remarks about “no clean power”

      • jnana

        windfarms are far from clean, my friend. go ahead and throw yer statistics around to prove otherwise. I know you and most everyone else would like to consume w/ a good conscience. but yer deluding yerselves. ya can’t get something for nothing. the cosmos contains fixed laws to ensure destruction and decay.

        • alizardx

          I see you speaking with good intentions based on disinformation. I hear in you the voice of Big Coal.

          • jnana

            and I hear in you the voice of Big Wind, who also have direct ties to Big Oil. hate to break it to ya, but not everyone who is against industrial wind farms is a proponent of other industrial energy sources. i’m simply against mass-anything. personal wind mills and other small personal/communal energy sources combined w/ drastic reductions of use may be the only solution, if there is any.

  • DrDavidKelly

    Ya … anyway doesn’t seem like anyone really gives a shit. Most of the planet is just making more cars and trying to grow their economies any way possible. I don’t think this issue will really get much attention until it has a major impact on the bottom-line.

    • alizardx

      It already has a bottom line impact:
      “Economic impact of global warming is costing the world more than $1.2 trillion a year, wiping 1.6% annually from global GDP”
      http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/sep/26/climate-change-damaging-global-economy

      However, the bottom lines getting damaged are those of governments, small businesses, and individuals that belong to the 99%. Not the bottom lines of wealthy and major corporations, who are likely to get tax-funded aid if global waming gives them expensive trouble.

      When global warming impacts hit the wealthy personally, I’m sure that they’ll tell the governments and politicians to act. By then, it will probably be too late.

    • alizardx

      Climate change is already damaging global economy, report finds

      Economic impact of global warming is costing the world more than $1.2 trillion a year, wiping 1.6% annually from global GDP

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/sep/26/climate-change-damaging-global-economy

      Problem is those costs are borne by governments, non-wealthy individuals, and small businesses.

      If a major corporation gets hammered, they’ll probably get a tax-funded bailout.

      Just another example of privatized gains as in preserving the value of fossil-fuel assets owned by the wealthy and corporations and socialized losses.

      While the problems will grow to the point where the wealthy will be more than just inconvenienced, by the time they realize they can’t buy themselves out of trouble without fixing the real problems, it’s likely to be too late for any technological fixes.

    • alizardx

      (disqus seems to be eating my posts at random – so you may see two of this post… or none)
      Climate change is already damaging global economy, report finds
      “Economic impact of global warming is costing the world more than $1.2 trillion a year, wiping 1.6% annually from global GDP”

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2012/sep/26/climate-change-damaging-global-economy

      Problem is those costs are borne by governments, non-wealthy individuals, and small businesses.

      If a major corporation gets hammered, they’ll probably get a tax-funded bailout.

      Just another example of privatized gains as in preserving the value of fossil-fuel assets owned by the wealthy and corporations and socialized losses.

      While the problems will grow to the point where the wealthy will be more than just inconvenienced, by the time they realize they can’t buy themselves out of trouble without fixing the real problems, it’s likely to be too late for any technological fixes.

      • jnana

        technological fixes my ass. technology ain’t the cure. it’s the disease.

        • Andrew

          …Types someone on the Internet.

          • jnana

            we can’t even walk on grass without harming others. cosmos was programmed to make us create bad karma to trap our light. internet and technology’s just part of it. one of the worst parts, though.

        • alizardx

          Then cure yourself. Stop burning coal by commenting on the Net. Make a lifestyle for yourself that causes no ecological damage.

          • jnana

            that’s near to impossible in our culture. but it is still possible if you want to be a hermit. as it is now, I have other responsibilities to tend to. I love people and cant simply abandon them w/ no one else to be there for them.
            I do believe it is possible to live a life that causes no or very little ecological damage, whether solitary or in community, and there are people who are doing that right now. And tell you what, they’re happier and have preserved their souls. Unlike those in techno. society