DisinfoCast: 64: Nick Redfern’s Monster Files

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Nick Redfern is here to talk about government secrets that they don’t want you to know: Does the NSA have a “Bigfoot” file? Why was the CIA so interested in Yeti hunter Tom Slick? Are there really werewolves roaming the mountains of Afghanistan? We discuss this and more on this episode of the DisinfoCast.

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  • Ted Heistman

    Hey Matt, I have discovered that when bigfoot researches get really deeply involved their experiences tend to mirror the experiences of people studying other types of Fortean phenomena. Like for example Sasquatches are believed to spend a lot of time underground, blink in an out of existence, just like reptoids and Greys. The thing is though a lot of this stuff is consistent with Native American accounts of Sasquatches going back a hundred years or more.

    The Native American view is that they are big hairy Indians that have these mysterious abilities but that they also shit, eat, kidnap women, etc. This is apparently what the tribes of the PNW think now and what they thought a hundred years ago.

    http://feedback.pdxradio.com/topic/native-americans-reveal-secrets-of-bigfoot-1924

    I had toyed with the idea you had that they might all be the same thing, Greys, Reptoids, Mothmen, Sasquatch etc. kind of like John Keels idea of “ultra terrestrials”

    But I am beginning to wonder if maybe they are of a class of beings that are in relation to us like we are in relation to the animals. Like they are a diverse group of intelligent beings that share certain abilities to travel inter dimensionally.

    • Ted Heistman

      Here is a little clip from the 1924 News article in the link that kind of encapsulates it:

      GAME KILLED BY HYPNOTISM

      Every Indian, especially of the Puget Sound Tribes, is familiar with the
      history of these strange giant Indians, as they are sometimes referred
      to by local Indians. Shaker Indians of Northwestern Oregon, who
      attended the Shakers’ convention on the Skokomish Reservation on Hood
      Canal last year, related to the writer their experience with the
      Seeahtik Indians.

      Oregon and Washington Indians agree that the Seeahtik Indians are not
      less than seven feet tall and some have been seen that were fully eight
      feet in height. They have hairy bodies like a bear. This is to
      protect them from the cold as they live entirely in the mountains. They
      kill their game entirely by hypnotism. They have great supernatural
      powers. They also have the gift of ventriloquism, and have deceived
      many ordinary Indians by throwing their voices.”

    • Matt Staggs

      It’s all philosophically (and culturally, and mythically, yadda yadda yadda) interesting, clearly. Unless you’re one of those poor souls who operate under the TRUE/FALSE binary system.

      • Ted Heistman

        Well,

        I am not a “believer.” I got pretty close though, but pulled back when I evaluated what I actually experienced. All I’ve experienced is rock throwing and tree knocking. Though that is consistent with others experiences with Sasquatch. I knew I experienced something weird, but didn’t learn until later that this area was a Sasquatch hotspot and I didn’t learn until later than that how consistent my experience was with that of others.

        But still its not much. And I have talked to people here who have claimed sightings, even multiple sightings.

        but I think Footprints, vocalizations, encounters and sightings are evidence of something. I mean coyote tracks coyote sightings and coyote vocalizations are evidence of say, coyotes being in the area. Coyotes are known to science, but I can’t PROVE that the coyote tracks I see, the Coyote I witness crossing the road is an actual coyote and not a skin walker, who has merely shape shifted into the form of a coyote. But the explanation that I am seeing evidence of actual coyotes is the most parsimonious explanation.

        So I like to theorize in ways that fit the data. The data seems to fit something intelligent that evades classification likes to screw with people. The sightings and experiences, don’t fit that of an undiscovered mere ape, but to me they don’t quite fit that of a ghost or a mass hallucination either.

        The Native American view is a view that seems to me to make the most sense of all the weirdness in a single narrative.

        If its a weird disembodied intelligence simply playing a role It seems to have a lot of consistency in the face its presented to the Native Americans. At the end of the day though I am still skeptical of the New Age view that they are our benevolent Forest brothers from space. As outlandish as it sounds, I think that’s not quite wierd enough. And a lot of Indian tribes apparently say, basically “Don’t fuck with them. If you see them don’t look them in the eye, back away and don’t talk about them afterwards.”

        Its possible to get obsessed with them and come under a type of spell I think. I find myself being drawn to but ultimately resisting that.

  • Ted Heistman

    I just want to say as a writer, I admire this guy. Working 40 hours a week at it and cranking out a book a year for 20 years. I think that’s what it takes to do it. Making a living as a writer, writing what I want to write, to me that’s my ultimate dream.

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