Humans May Have Originated As A Pig-Chimp Hybrid

pig-chimpPerhaps the real reason human beings feel the urge to keep kosher/halal is that in pigs we subconsciously recognize a glimmer of ourselves. reports:

Dr. Eugene McCarthy is a Ph.D. geneticist who has made a career out of studying hybridization in animals. He has amassed an impressive body of evidence suggesting that human origins can be best explained by hybridization between pigs and chimpanzees. Extraordinary theories require extraordinary evidence and McCarthy does not disappoint. Rather than relying on genetic sequence comparisons, he instead offers extensive anatomical comparisons, which are startling when taken together.

The list of anatomical specializations we may have gained from porcine philandering is too long to detail here. Similarities in the face, skin and organ microstructure alone are hard to explain away. A short list of differential features would include, multipyramidal kidney structure, presence of dermal melanocytes, melanoma, absence of a primate baculum (penis bone), surface lipid and carbohydrate composition of cell membranes, vocal cord structure, laryngeal sacs, diverticuli of the fetal stomach, intestinal “valves of Kerkring,” heart chamber symmetry, skin and cranial vasculature and method of cooling, and tooth structure. Other features occasionally seen in humans, like bicornuate uteruses and supernumerary nipples, would also be difficult to incorporate into a purely primate tree.

Why weren’t these conclusions arrived at much sooner? McCarthy suggests it is because of an over-dependence on genetic data among biologists. He argues that humans are probably the result of multiple generations of backcrossing to chimpanzees, which in nucleotide sequence data comparisons would effectively mask any contribution from pig.

42 Comments on "Humans May Have Originated As A Pig-Chimp Hybrid"

  1. Ted Heistman | Jul 29, 2013 at 10:20 am |

    Its possible that passing virus back and forth may have something to do with this. I know viruses can insert alien genes into a genome. Maybe rather than mating between chimps and pigs, it was viruses.

  2. Hadrian999 | Jul 29, 2013 at 10:27 am |

    mmmmmmmmm Bacon, does anyone actually want to keep kosher/halal or do they do it out of fear of the heavenly terrorist

    • Saint Eli | Jul 30, 2013 at 3:49 am |

      There is also the random diet you are supposed to be on for two weeks before drinking ayahuasca (La Dieta) that is meant to keep your spirit and gut as pure as possible to limit nausea and the amount of time you spend retching foul black stuff. Beef and chicken are fine to eat, but for some reason pork is on the list of no-no foods.
      I love eating salami,pork sausage etc. but must admit I don’t feel great afterwards.

      • Hadrian999 | Jul 30, 2013 at 4:07 am |

        i love pork but I don’t eat it often, but when I do I love it

      • I just did a 10-day dieta, and I still have post-dieta restrictions. No piggy until the 21st of Sept, and no booze and no sex until the 10th of August. Can’t wait till the 10th.

  3. Ted Heistman | Jul 29, 2013 at 10:29 am |

    Actually this is pretty interesting. Maybe its possible. I know I have bred hybrid cichlids and thought it was weird how easy it is to cross different species and come up with fertile offspring.

    • Calypso_1 | Jul 29, 2013 at 11:07 am |

      Worked for the Easter Bunny.

      • Ted Heistman | Jul 29, 2013 at 11:16 am |

        He actually references occurrences like that in his research.

        • Calypso_1 | Jul 29, 2013 at 11:45 am |

          I’ve looked at the page.

          We’ve got much to learn in these areas.

          You mentioned the viral vectors. Don’t know how much you’ve looked into this, but both viral & bacterial symbiotes (essentially probiotic VD) of parasitic wasps are known to have altered the speciation of formerly social insect lines. The infection can be genetically linked with the gametes of the species but affect the CNS as well, altering behavior (akin to both herpes & syphilis). In insects these cause significant morphology changes as well.

          I’ve also wondered, given the number of animals that have delayed fertilization, that if you had a cross-species mating event w/ a pre/post same species event, about the extended period of time for horizontal gene transfer if infected with a suitable organism. Haven’t had the opportunity to study VD in non-human organisms but I think it would be a fertile effort.

  4. Liam_McGonagle | Jul 29, 2013 at 10:29 am |

    Children children children! Don’t you know that pig and chimp DNA just won’t splice?

  5. Calypso_1 | Jul 29, 2013 at 10:34 am |

    If he finds an ursine component as well perhaps it will be a tipping point in the AGW debate.

  6. Ted Heistman | Jul 29, 2013 at 10:54 am |

    Here is a pretty cool chimp gorilla hybrid found on his website:

    • atlanticus | Jul 29, 2013 at 9:17 pm |


      Oh my god. Where did Bonobos come from? Did some hippies fuck chimps?

      • Calypso_1 | Jul 30, 2013 at 7:59 am |

        Not thought to be a hybrid. No genetic evidence. It’s a Bili ape which is a subspecies of chimp.

        • Ted Heistman | Jul 30, 2013 at 4:05 pm |

          It could be a back crossed hybrid. Where are you getting this idea of final authorities on Bili Apes? Aren’t they unclassified? Have their genomes been sequenced? Links?

  7. Rus Archer | Jul 29, 2013 at 11:56 am |

    cue lloyd pye

  8. Monkey See Monkey Do | Jul 29, 2013 at 12:33 pm |

    I believe the reason for kosher/halal is influenced by more factors than just genetic memory. The reason is not well known because well…, It requires an experiential analysis into the eating of human flesh. Many parts of cooked human meat are nearly identical to the texture, form and taste of various pig meats such as bacon, pork and ham. As has been cataloged by various cannibal tribes throughout history. Israel and the middle east are also located in areas which have had recent intense desertification in their prehistory, forcing communities into desperate situations.

    • Liam_McGonagle | Jul 29, 2013 at 12:47 pm |

      Yeah, but bottom line: getting people to observe some totally arbitrary taboo is the ultimate in societal control. As history shows time and time again, the more ridiculous the mandate, the prouder people will be to observe it.

      “Our people are truly set apart by God; for no other amongst all the nations of the earth would have the fortitude to endure such meaningless suffering.”

    • Calypso_1 | Jul 29, 2013 at 1:15 pm |

      Can’t verify as to taste, but anyone who has been around surgical cauterization is familiar with the aroma.

      • atlanticus | Jul 29, 2013 at 9:16 pm |

        A friend of mine once worked as a plastic surgeon’s assistant. She said that lipo-sucked fat smells exactly like Krispy Kreme doughnuts.

    • I have no evidence to support my idea, but im pretty sure back in the old days, middle easterners where dumb enough to keep herds of pigs in the streets of walled cities, which probably ended up spreading rampant disease, and some smart guy was like “its got to be the pigs fault” because everyone around pigs where dying, so they shunned pig meat, and it became a cultural thing, then a religious thing. Just my guess.

    • Anaelyssa | Jul 29, 2013 at 7:12 pm |

      Ooooh, then it makes sense why vampires are always offered pig’s blood as alternative to human blood. I mean why not chicken or cow or goat blood?

      As for kosher/halal, the explanation I’ve heard is that it’s really easy to get sick from pork if you don’t cook it well enough. The wise elders couldn’t really explain to the common folk about bacteria (or just didn’t know a good explanation), so the easiest solution to keep their tribes from dying was to say “God has forbidden you to eat pigs”.

    • I always thought the ban against eating pig was because the pig was limited to food only…

      Think of it:
      Cows and Goats give leather and milk along with its own flesh.
      Buffalo gives good hide.
      Sheep can be sheared for their wool as well as eaten.
      Chickens give eggs, and their feathers make for good, soft, insulating fill.
      Even Rabbits have fir that can make good coats.
      But the pig – food only, sow ear purses to the contrary.

      So…my theory went that the pig got banned as food because of its limited utility outside of the dinner table.

      (of course, this theory is intriguing AND disturbing in its own ways.)

      • Dan Muench | Jul 30, 2013 at 12:02 am |

        Um ever hear of someone tossing the ol’ pigskin around?

        Few animals raised for food aren’t also used for leather and/or couldn’t be. Pig skin is often used for ‘shooting’ style gloves with emphasis on tactile feel…hmmm…

        • You’re reaching with those answers.

          “Tossing the Pigskin” is for toys and games, and the implication was that there was no better use for the pig’s skin.
          And those shooting style gloves you brag about (NRA member, are you?) are a specialty use. You wouldn’t use those gloves every day.

          My examples, on the other hand, would be in everyday use. Leather, Wool, Feathers, even rabbit fur could be used by regular people for keep warm or dressed or comfortable. Anything used from pig skin would have to either be a throwaway use or a specialty use that wouldn’t have been known by most peoples.

          My point stands.

          • VaudeVillain | Jul 31, 2013 at 1:05 am |

            Pigskin is actually quite popular for many applications where durability is more important than suppleness or aesthetic appeal.

            Pigs are also integral to many long-term subsistence agriculture techniques; recycling food waste, turning earth, driving away predators and vermin, and reclaiming production from certain terrains with marginal arability.

            So no, your point doesn’t really stand, you just don’t know much about the actual agricultural value of pigs.

          • Dan Muench | Jul 31, 2013 at 3:10 am |


            Nice try, though, godozo, what with your authority-wannabe ‘my point stands’. Your point would stand if you had one. Go find one, you’ll see – someday. Maybe.

            And actually said ‘shooter’s gloves’ are often used by drivers and anyone else for whom tactile feel etc are a priority. Supposedly you can pick up a dime with one, don’t own a pair, personally – and thanks for making some inference as to an NRA membership – obviously having a prejudiced attitude is ok if you’re on the ‘winning’ (in your estimation) side, eh?

            Your theory would get pretty much every fruit and vegetable banned, crawdads, etc. I mean, a shockingly wide variety of food that hasn’t been banned with the religious fervor shown by those in the middle east.

            See, this is where logic and reasoning play a part, not just picking a tack and stamping your feet like a spoiled child, hoping people get tired of the mess and just agree with you.

            Speaking of assumptions, you’re not a Fox News contributor, are you? 😉

  9. OY Vey! This is terrible news!

  10. It always seemed suggestive to me that the words for human in several early languages translate to ‘long pig’. I’m of the opinion there are at least four species with living ancestors today that have contributed to what it now human. Monkey, pig, jellyfish & axolotl, with the common thread of some mutation (probably between dmt and psilocybin or other types of tryptamines) triggered by eating various plants and fungi.

    Although, it could have something to do with that that cat mind virus.

  11. Russell Scott Day | Jul 29, 2013 at 4:26 pm |

    As a photographer and poet I know as an artist producing art, it is pigs. Yes people love pigs. Pictures of pigs sell. I am sorry I am not out today photographing pigs. I advise you younger artists, every one of you, regardless of whatever it is to know about life and living, like women love shoes, it is pigs. Produce art with pigs in it and it will sell. Period. End of story.

  12. Ted Heistman | Jul 29, 2013 at 4:39 pm |

    Look at how many very divergent mammals can hybridize. Its insane!

  13. Anthony Chmielewski | Jul 29, 2013 at 6:52 pm |

    Does that mean we can make bacon from people?

  14. ManwithnoCountry | Jul 29, 2013 at 8:24 pm |

    Isn’t observing morphology as opposed to genetics what tells us that the rhinoceros is the closest descendent of the triceratops?

  15. Dan Muench | Jul 30, 2013 at 12:17 am |

    No one has mentioned something thus far:

    How often in mythology are humans turned into pigs? Circe, et al, all the way up to the witch in ‘Willow’ – “PIGS!!! You’re all PIGS!!!”

    What if there’s a kernel of truth to this? After all, the same documents Sitchin references for humans being cloned also talk about Chimeras and other animal-human hybrids – Enkidu, for instance, had to be told to stop fucking with animals, quite literally.

    I’ve already seen the ‘[insert group you don’t like here] fucking monkeys’ quote/comment on this very thread, but how far fetched is this to a student of bad human behavior? Ever heard of the Florida man who was caught fucking a horse – again! Same horse! Already convicted, goes back to fuck it AGAIN!

    “Why do Scotsmen wear kilts? A: because sheep can hear a zipper opening from up to a mile away.”

    Which came first, the Pig or the Human?

    Joey Kramer had pig skin put on his arm in lieu of a traditional graft when he was burned during a Ferrari fire. (Hazard of the brand, I hear.)

    I’ve heard organ transplant is viable as well.

    Interesting hypothesis but it precludes a lot of other theories that are just as well entrenched. Kinda like histories that assume we all came out of Africa and never started fucking around with boats until recently, despite many ‘primitives’ making it across various oceans without the ‘required tech’…messes with already agreed upon lie, and thus gets discounted.

    Another thing: we share a SHOCKING amount of DNA with the common sea sponge, and no one is suggesting someone fucked a Sponge a billion years ago and here we are. I’d say there are probably other explanations.

    Interesting to see just how much we have in common…do we get Werewolves and/or Bigfoot/Yeti from pigs, ie, the phenomenon where you can take a common farm pig, throw it into the woods, and watch it grow tusks and bristles and ‘morph’ into a boar, or vice versa? After all, such ‘morphology’ is hardly unknown – the caterpillar that weaves the cocoon dissolves into an organ-less mass of protoplasm that is enacted upon by a ‘morphogenic field’ to produce the butterfly – nothing is left of the caterpillar at all. (Of course ‘morphogenic field = we have no idea how the fuck this happens, so a ‘field’ is ‘applied’…)

  16. Ted Heistman | Jul 30, 2013 at 1:18 pm |

    This theory requires a cross between domesticated pigs and chimps. So who domesticated the pig? If it wasn’t (pig chimp hybrid) people?

    • Rebecca Dalmas | Dec 5, 2013 at 3:44 am |

      Read the original article by Dr. McCarthy. He discusses some wild pigs, among differing varieties, closely resembling what we now call domesticated pigs.

  17. $64792017 | Jul 30, 2013 at 2:25 pm |

    Chimps drank tequila? Works for me.

  18. Joe Boyer | Jul 30, 2013 at 4:21 pm |

    Injecting human cells into pig fetuses leaves researchers “surprised”:

    “Pigs grown from fetuses into which human stem cells were injected have surprised scientists by having cells in which the DNA from the two species is mixed at the most intimate level.

    “The adult pigs that had received human stem cells as fetuses were found to have pig cells, human cells and the hybrid cells in their blood and organs.

    “‘What we found was completely unexpected. We found that the human and pig cells had totally fused in the animals’ bodies,’ said Jeffrey Platt, director of the Mayo
    Clinic Transplantation Biology Program.

    “The hybrid cells had both human and pig surface markers. But, most surprisingly, the hybrid cell nuclei were found to have chromosomal DNA that contained both human and pig genes. The researchers found that about 60 per cent of the animals’ non-pig cells were hybrids, with the remainder being fully human.”

    • Joe Boyer | Jul 31, 2013 at 9:15 am |

      From Stewart Swerdlow’s book, Blue Blood, True Blood: “The sacrificial animal used by most Middle Eastern people was the wild boar, so the Sirians chose it as the basis for this new animal hybrid. Human genetics were mixed with those of the wild boar to create the domesticated pig. …

      “Because the domesticated pig is a combination of human and animal genetics,
      eating it is a form of cannibalism. This explains why the Hebrews considered it unclean to eat. This is also why the pig is considered to be the most intelligent animal on Earth, why pig skin can be grafted directly onto humans in burn cases, and why pig heart valves can be used in humans with little difficulty. Cancer drugs and other chemicals are often tested on pigs before humans.”

  19. So, we’re the product of some filthy Alien experiment?!

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