• http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

    you know, I’ve debated whether or not I would classify as a sociopath quite a bit…. I mean I meet a good bit of the requirements(it was explained to me, without “officially diagnosing” me, that I have antisocial personality disorder by a psychologist on my way out of the army)… but I still have “selective empathy” which would disqualify me, as well as the ability to feel fear… I don’t get why people a terrified of them, I’ve known a few and actually enjoy being around them.. more so than normal people. but I’m also someone who enjoys makes a game out of life, and prefer the company of enemies to friends. anything less than a challenge, and I start getting bored.

    • marshall

      army behavioral health specialists suck man.

  • Ted Heistman

    This “disorder” doesn’t really exist. Its like a personality type, combined with qualities you see in other people that you don’t like.

    • gustave courbet

      This has long been a subject of interest of mine, and I know psychologist who have worked with people with personality disorders. I am open to countervailing perspectives but the information on this subjects seems pretty well borne out. Care to elaborate?

      • Ted Heistman

        I think its a socially constructed “disorder.” I don’t think the disorder model adequately explains the phenomenon. Is a wolf a “disordered” dog because its not obedient and doesn’t get along with the other house pets?

        In certain societies these traits are valued. For example among war like societies in the Amazon and PNG, a Flashy, fearless violent guy might have a lot of children. Genghis Khan may have had the characteristics now associated with a diagnosis of anti-personality disorder. But if you are a fucking KING can it really be said that you have a personality disorder? I mean, did he have DELUSIONS of grandeur or did the conquer the World?

        More and more people like to relate this to politics and explain that psychopaths are in charge and are wrecking everything. But really people put them in charge because most people don’t want to be in charge. People that don’t want anyone in charge of them often end up in charge. So its like a mutual thing really. People love the “psychopaths” in their own camp and vilify the ones in the opposing camp.I see this in politics all the time, Democrats can spot republican sociopaths but never democratic ones. Same with the reverse. Really its a personality type/defense mechanism more than anything else. Some people are just assholes.

        • Monkey See Monkey Do

          Pussies don’t like dicks because pussies get fucked by dicks. But dicks also fuck assholes. Assholes that just want to shit on everything. Pussies may think they can deal with assholes their way. But the only thing that can fuck a asshole is a dick, with some balls. The problem with dicks is they fuck too much or fuck when it isn’t appropriate. And it takes a pussy to show them that. But sometimes pussies can be so full of shit that they become assholes themselves. Because pussies are a inch and half away from assholes. I don’t know much about this crazy crazy world, but I do know this. If you don’t let us fuck this asshole we’re going to have our dicks and pussies all covered in shit. – Team America

        • Andrew

          You don’t deny there are documented neurological differences though, do you?

          • Ted Heistman

            Between everyone? Yes.

          • Andrew
          • Ted Heistman

            So what do you propose? Brain surgery for everyone who amygdala doesn’t fit the Norm? Sterilization? What? Do you know that there are people whose brain show patterns associated with psychopathy yet aren’t psychopaths?

            Like this guy:

            http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127888976

          • Andrew

            I don’t have a solution. Perhaps there is no solution. But that doesn’t change the facts.

          • Ted Heistman

            You didn’t click on my link did you? I clicked yours!

          • Andrew

            Yeah, I clicked it.

            > Jim Fallon says he had a terrific childhood; he was doted on by his
            parents and had loving relationships with his brothers and sisters and
            entire extended family. Significantly, he says this journey through his
            brain has changed the way he thinks about nature and nurture. He once
            believed that genes and brain function could determine everything about
            us. But now he thinks his childhood may have made all the difference. “We’ll
            never know, but the way these patterns are looking in general
            population, had I been abused, we might not be sitting here today,” he
            says

          • Calypso_1

            When at some point it is possible (and this is very close) to implant/grow neural pathways in brain areas where they are absent, deficient or damaged it should be an option for those that wish to undertake it.

          • Ted Heistman

            I think peoples neural pathways are often a result of the choices they have made. I see more promise in things like mindfulness and meditation than in surgery.

            I think some people shut off their empathy as a defense mechanism. I think that is mainly what this phenomena is about. I think its related to free will and consciousness. I really doubt there will be a surgery that will help people make better choices.

            I am skeptical of the whole “meat robot” paradigm or the disease model of crime. I find it creepy to be frank.

          • Calypso_1

            Many neural networks develop w/ training but some are primary to genetics & standard organism development.

            I have scarred neural pathways due to TLE. No choice involved.

            I don’t buy into psychopathy as a primary forensic model. Its just historical happenstance that this has been the easiest population group to study that manifests particular aspects of the disorder.

          • Ted Heistman

            Well I am sorry about that, but I think you are talking about apples and oranges there, when it comes to organic brain disorders and moral/psychological issues.

            Maybe you don’t see it that way. But as far as brain surgery for epilepsy vs. brain surgery to make you a nicer person I see a big difference.

          • Calypso_1

            There is a correlation.

          • Ted Heistman

            I think transhumanism is a trap. Brain surgery to make you a better person sounds like that to me. Better person as in being kinder and more empathic, not as in healthier and pain free, though pain is also very very mysterious and related to consciousness. Lots of botched surgeries to treat that also.

            Consciousness is a mysterious thing and its not just in the brain. Kurzweil et al are making serious errors

          • emperorreagan

            Say someone is abused as a child. They’re trained, basically, to have an inappropriate fight/flight response for a decade or two of their life through no fault or choice of their own.

            Given the choice between a technique that allows the trained neural pathway to regenerate & be trained in a more appropriate manner versus taking a cocktail of drugs for crippling depression and anxiety, would you begrudge them the choice?

            Would you draw the line between someone who is physiologically disposed to depression and someone who was trained into it?

          • Calypso_1

            Transhumanism has nothing to do with this.

        • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

          I see your point Ted. In my own personal experience with socio/psychopaths their ability to lie and manipulate, and be completely unaffected by such actions, definitely puts them in a category separate from those who do have a conscience and can empathize with their victims on some level.

          “The Sociopath Next Door” is an excellent read and does well to explain this core concept. It’s not that society doesn’t accept them, it’s that they do not perceive reality through their heart whatsoever and while this might provide some advantage in their mercenary focus, it removes them from the realm of spiritual self awareness or evolution at a biological level. The faustian bargain laid bare perhaps.

          I was always curious if large enough doses of MDMA might rekindle their lacking inner circuitry (note the amygdala effects in the above video, or rather lack there of) or would it just produce a tranced out potential rapist with zero empathy?

          The fact that our society encourages sociopathic behavior is not simply because so many are lemmings, is that so many have been subordinated to psycho/sociopathic parasites for going on eons now and that those who lack empathy know they are different and literally nothing is off the table for them to maintain their power plays.

          Definitely check out the book and please let me know what you think amigo.

          Cheers.

          • Calypso_1

            Every human being on this planet lies & manipulates on a daily basis and is completely unaffected by their doing so. Not only that, they are usually unaware of both.

            If you actually look at the studies done on sociopathic lying it has less to do with an enhanced ability to tell lies than an inability of others to differentiate between their lies & truth telling. Basically a sociopath sounds the same regardless. When a sociopath is telling the truth they are more likely to be seen as lying. They simply do not have the standard structural markers in their speech that are used in normal social interaction to gauge truth content….and that, like any altered speech pattern, has a neurological basis.

          • Nathaniel Harris

            I would like to see those studies. Maybe I am a sociopath after all. I got away for years with convincing people I was a magician and witch.. but as soon as I tell the truth? Lol..

          • echar

            One can condition themselves or be conditioned to be?

          • Calypso_1

            Not sure what you are asking.

          • echar

            After watching another video, I saw that there are secondary sociopaths. So never mind.

          • Calypso_1

            : ) I would like to see at least a tertiary category; the statistical parsing of which is an active project I am playing with.

            I’m assuming you are equating the conditioning aspect with nurture v. nature in secondary.

            Though the correlation is there for elements of conditioning, secondary psychopathy is associated with the more stereotypical criminal aspect. Given then significant correlations between abusive/violent backgrounds and criminality in general & the general assumptions of psychopathy within a forensic framework, I think that these aspects have been weighted far to heavily simply as a result of a captive (iocus intendebat) sample population.

          • echar

            Stereotypical being the operative word. Thank you.

          • Ted Heistman

            Yeah, I read that. I’ve read most of the popular books on psychopathy. I was into this topic for a while. I think this idea of “socipaths in our midst” explains a lot less about society than people would like it too. I also think that these traits don’t line up in people as neatly as researchers would like. this umbrelIa of psychopathy I think describes too many different things. I think the con artist drifter/drug addicts that end up in jail and the control freaks working in the CIA and corporate boardrooms, actually aren’t that much alike. I don’t think that the rich ones are simply “successful” and the guys in jail aren’t. I think they are just people that other people don’t like. Two different groups of assholes, with nothing else in common.

            Possibly someone like Bernie Madoff fits the classification of both groups, but for the most part, people in power are control freaks with huge ambitions not drifters with no life plan.

            So I don’t think this political ponerology stuff really explains anything unless “Psychopath” simply means “evil” and then its no longer a medical model its something metaphysical.

          • gustave courbet

            Good points.

          • D.K. Wilson

            The use of “sociopath” is an attempt to describe someone who, from testing, qualify as “borderline” psychopaths. The term should, likely, not even exist, particularly because it is also used to attempt to paint a “gentler” picture of someone who would fall under “psychopath.”

            As aberrant personality types and the resultant behavior from them go, it does qualify as a “disorder.” And it has nothing at all to do with “qualities you see in other people that you don’t like.” That actually sounds like something a psychopath would say in defense of himself. And that is not snark, or an attempt to be “Internet mean.”

            The entire, recent, attempts to romanticize psychopathy/find some sort of virtue in psychopathy, is despicable. It is a complete lie that psychopathic behavior leads to anything good. This is due to the fact that, setting aside any other negatives of psychopathy, authoritarianism is a direct correlate to psychopathy (psychopaths are not necessarily killers, however, their reaction to killing/death is null, lacking any hint of empathy); it is a constant of the psychopath mind.

            Additionally, the fearlessness of people in the Amazon has nothing at all to do with psychopathy and everything to do with long-imprinted socio-cultural mores (mor-ays) related to teaching, roles, and expectations of certain groups in a society; their fearlessness is best elucidated in post-modern anthropological terms, not in Western psychiatric terms. To attempt to imprint a non-Western culture with Western diagnoses… well, I hope the problems arising from this are self-evident.

          • Adamas Macalz

            Are you saying someone without a high level of compassion/empathy cannot possess spiritual self awareness? because I would have to vehemently disagree

          • Andrew

            Of what value is “spiritual” self awareness?

          • Calypso_1

            Special tingly feelings?

          • Adamas Macalz

            The degree of control it gives one over one’s own reality, whether psychological or metaphysical in nature… Besides playing god is it’s own reward

          • Calypso_1

            So in that sense is spirit both a fine distillation of perception and an integration of such reception in a manner that liberates the self from the constraints of unawareness?

          • Adamas Macalz

            In one way yes… in another I think it’s possible to rewrite reality to a lesser or greater degree through a spiritual discipline… there are spiritual paths that focus on the separation of self from everything else in existence to realise a different type of liberation… Self awareness is a must for the seeker. knowing one’s strength’s and weaknesses and how to trigger emotional states at will, as well as the rejection of universal morality… IMO this leads to a form of cultured sociopathy, at least in the eyes of the rest of the human race. mainly because eventually the practitioner eventually develops to the point where most people are just tools to use for his/her own personal evolution

          • Ted Heistman

            Sounds like Left hand path bullshit. Temple of Set and all that. Its basically a delusion. Solipsistic navel gazing. Micheal Aquino is a fat goofball not an immortal super God man. So I have to conclude this path is bogus. But good luck!

            But you bring up a good point that a lot of people work at being sociopaths so to me its not simply a genetic illness.

          • Calypso_1

            You are all over the place.

          • Ted Heistman

            yes.

          • Calypso_1

            In search of power ye are.

          • Adamas Macalz

            The LHP neither began nor ended with the ToS or Aquino…. But your distaste of the LHP sounds more like a reaction than a well thought out response… to each their own I suppose

          • Andrew

            I have two hands. And two feet, two cerebral hemispheres, and two testicles.

          • Adamas Macalz

            Most individuals, even those who are ambidextrous, favor one hand over the other, same with feet and cerebral hemispheres. I hope you don’t have a favorite testicle lol

          • Calypso_1

            Primary testicle descent is correlated with lateral asymmetry which is largely caused by asymmetries in fetal development of the vestibular cortex.

          • Ted Heistman

            Well “bullshit” doesn’t sound well thought out, I agree. I do however think the LHP is based on delusion and leads to solipsism and is ultimately a dead end. Ultimately it turns into trying to be God by controlling the rest of creation. Its a doomed endeavor.

            It really puts one at odds with all other living beings that naturally resist control. I think this viewpoint is responsible for much in the world that could rightly be called evil. Its because people are limited beings and can’t get their head around complex relationships. So this is why people favor imposing systems of centralized command and control. This is why civilization creates denuded environments. A synthetic, denuded landscapes contains fewer variables to get ones head around. Its about control. This is why there are huge monoculture agribusinesses and factory farms and alienated and dependent populations of people.

          • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

            it depends on the individual approach, take for example groups who take a extreme relative moralistic approach… they often have collective morals as well as a view they are just an aspect of nature, leading to individuals seeking harmony rather than domination, while on the other hand groups like the ONA tend to more a more radical approach which lead to domination and control of other humans. On the same note even those groups long for a certain return to nature, albeit for the purpose of developing more tribal society… not all of the paths lead to solipsism, though mine has to a certain degree…

            While I do employ a certain degree of control over my surroundings, it’s more along the lines of directing the flow than micromanaging.. and believe it or not, most individuals do not resist control, so long as they have the illusion of free will

          • Ted Heistman

            I think there is a balance involved in self mastery, which involves respecting others autonomy. I think the most useful way is to look at people as holons, instead of parts in a machine. I think in the history of despots and States, people have been looked at as parts and there has been resistance to this in the form of revolutions.

            I think its pretty obvious that many people resist being controlled by others. In history there are many dialectical reversals, of outlaws, pirates etc. resisting control by others and desiring personal autonomy, taking to the oceans or the Steppes and later conquering settled peoples and becoming dictators. One they do that however they embark on a road to losing their freedom and autonomy and being overthrown by the next wave of outlaws.

          • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

            well my problem with that view is autonomy is not a given in my experience…. it’s something that has to be worked and bled for. we start out no better than machines, with no self-driven direction other than the ability to react to outside stimulus…. this causes us to be models of the world around us, rather than the reverse. It is only after we seek our autonomy through whatever method we see fit(even monotheistic religions will work for certain individuals) that we start obtaining our autonomy, if only in degrees…

            my view of people is somewhere between projections(until I view them I have no proof they are in any way real, therefor, they do not exist in my reality. until they view me, I do not exist to them, we are each in our own personal reality creating the cosmos as we view it) and children… It’s easy to spot when someone does not fit into the second definition(they will possess a certain life to them that most people lack) but sadly most people are poorly copy pasted models, with no real sense of individual character defining them as “real” in my opinion.

            you’re forgetting that those antinomian individuals were alway seen as outcast and outlaws, being the minority. for every one of those individuals there were at least a hundred that thought that they were fools, and that real freedom is found in service to the system. While I do not fall into either category, I still respect the former much more than the latter.

          • Nathaniel Harris

            Wow. Other people are projections.. and children. Do you think you might be a sociopath? Just a little bit? It must be great to have a superiority complex, just wandering through life congratulating yourself all the time about your intellect and good looks. I hope that works out for you, but I doubt it will.

          • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

            if you read the comment I made below, I acknowledged that I might be one. Do I have a superiority complex? according to others yes. Do I spend my entire life patting myself on the back? fuck no. I’m my own adversary, and I challenge myself every chance I get… How else does one become stronger, faster, smarter, more powerful other than subjecting oneself to a series of trials by fire?

          • Lookinfor Buford

            I would venture to guess you possess empathy, but perhaps not sympathy, which is of course much closer to compassion. An individual who lacks empathy however (a common occurrence in now adult children of alcoholics) is a different animal entirely IMEO

          • Calypso_1

            You can possess both sympathy & compassion without feeling empathy.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            and vice-versa, which is what I stated.

          • Calypso_1

            Agreed, but both are often areas that are contended as incompatible as with the experience of a psychopath. In attempts to explore therapeutic modalities these
            are significant areas of focus.

          • Calypso_1

            For the most part, persons are indeed treated as projections of one’s own psyche.

          • Nathaniel Harris

            So, I’m guessing you are SURE you are operating under free will, then? Goebbels would be so proud.

          • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

            yes and no… I have a greater degree of free will than most people, but I am still not fully autonomous, it’s a process.
            For someone who has been in the occult for most of their life, you seem hell bent on discrediting it at every turn

          • Nathaniel Harris

            And what does that tell you? I can easily prove my involvement, and the amount of time, if you doubt me even on this? Seriously, though, I am only really concerned with outing the criminals involved in the ritual abuse of someone I care about. Laughing at sociopaths that think they can excuse their bad behaviour with LHP philosophies.. that is just a hobby. Judging by your lack of sensible questions, and the way you jump to the conclusion that I am some kind of liar.. I am not of the opinion that you have as much free will as you think you have, nor are as intellectually superior as you think you are.

          • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

            the reason I jump to conclusions is because you’re writing makes you sound sensationalist, and your site makes you seem like someone who is trying their damnedest to discredit their opponent, only to expose more of themselves than they meant to.

            To be fair, Most LHPer’s are not sociopaths and try to distance themselves philosophically and morally from people like me. I’m the exception, not the rule.

          • Nathaniel Harris

            The reason you jump to conclusions is because you are having trouble adapting your belief system to conflicting information. My work is sensationalist? Hardly so. Expose more of myself? Like what? And ‘to be fair’ (priceless!), EVERY person I have ever met who identifies as LHP has been a sociopath. The LHP is where sociopaths go to hang out! Lol. Anything less is to fail as an Antinomian. So no, you are not the exception. In fact, you are the cliche. This conversation is over. You are an argumentative nobody, who will cringe with regret when they finally realize they have been publicly attacking a real whistleblower, and defending the ‘honour’ (lol) of paedophiles.

          • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

            oh yeah, I don’t try to excuse my behaviour via my philosophies… I perfectly accept my actions, and their effects on others… I don’t feel the need for justification

          • Nathaniel Harris

            Not to mention that the ‘scene’ is riddled with sociopaths and paedophiles. But then.. why wouldn’t it be?

          • Nathaniel Harris

            ‘Left Hand Path’ is a much misapplied term, considering its Tantric roots. Only those of the lowest cast, or even ‘pariah’, can become initiates. It is not the path of selfish, smug, superior, advantaged brats that it apparently is in the West.

          • Nathaniel Harris

            Speaking as someone who devoted most of their life to occult study.. spot on, Ted.

          • Ted Heistman

            I carefully considered the LHP actually. Kind of like Jesus being temped in the desert. Not that I have a messianic complex, but I think a lot of things in the New Testament are metaphors for things all people can experience. I think somewhere along the line in Christianity, Christ stopped being an exemplar and become a god to worship.

            I don’t consider myself a Christian though. I get a similar reaction from Christians when I tell them why I reject Christianity as I do from practitioners of LHP when I tell them why I reject the LHP. -that I obviously don’t understand it.

          • Calypso_1

            A lot of people work at becoming diabetic.

          • gustave courbet

            You can ‘rebrand’ the term spiritual into a type of psychological equilibrium that allows the individual to maintain a positive, focused, and emotionally stable state of mind. For instance, the Buddhist concept of mindfulness can be stripped of its cultural and superstitious religious baggage and used as a clinical tool for helping people cope with the vagaries of life.

          • Calypso_1

            The history of spirituality is indeed composed largely of a sequence of rebrandings.

          • Nathaniel Harris

            Assuming by ‘spiritual’, you mean the way we choose to lead our lives, I would have thought the value of self awareness would be obvious.

          • Nathaniel Harris

            No, they cannot. Someone who cannot empathize with others cannot judge the results of their own actions in life. It is the results of our actions that are the measure of our spiritual awareness.

          • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

            self awareness is required to judge the results of your actions. Empathy is simply the emotional attachment to the result…. I have empathy, which is why I don’t see myself as a sociopath. I just have selective empathy.

          • Calypso_1

            Empathy is not required to judge the results of actions. Knowledge and perception are. Empathy is a physiological sensation of mirrored state awareness that neither entails nor results in an automatic progression to superior ethical or knowledge based judgement.
            Much of what stems from this response & is called empathy within out culture are programmed social mores that are often carried out with a full range of ulterior motivations.

          • echar

            It’s a choice?

          • Calypso_1

            Empathy, the programmed social mores or ulterior motives?

          • echar

            All the above.

          • Calypso_1

            Generally: -, -, –
            Potentially: +,+,+

          • Lookinfor Buford

            properly stated.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            compassion != empathy

          • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

            I would say if you are incapable of empathy, you might be an Archon (my gnostic foxworthy bit)

          • Calypso_1

            Or, just as in the inability to feel pain, you might have a sensory/autonomic neuropathy.

        • Calypso_1

          No, a wolf would be disordered if it had measurable traits that did not fit within the perceptual & behavioral characteristics for wolves and resulted in dysfunctional behavior patterns and adaptation for it in its social and natural environment.

          • Ted Heistman

            Not really. If it didn’t fit into its environment it would be dead. Only humans and other domesticated animals have these problems.

          • Calypso_1

            Wrong. Maladaptive traits in no way produce instant death. Developmental disorders manifest at different life stages & under duress. It is entirely possible to pass on genes and for what is largely a disorder/disease to be a cohort adaptation to another more fatal disease.

            The current neurological models for mental illness are in fact rooted in deficits that are observed across species going all the way back to structural abnormalities in the insect brain.

          • Ted Heistman

            So how many insects have you helped with this knowledge? Do you give them little tiny pills or do they respond more to talk therapy?

          • Calypso_1

            Actually they’ve been helping by allowing us to study targeted neurocircuitry with new compounds.
            (and I would call it helping them when you can stop seizures in the brain of an insect).

            …but I do talk to them.

            PS:
            No Pills, they are injected.

          • Ted Heistman

            So you think lots of wild animals are wandering around the woods in need of psychiatric treatment?

          • Calypso_1

            No that is not what I think. I think it should be researched.
            I do think that those that are held in captivity, which induces a great deal of mental illness, falls within the responsibility of humans to treat.

          • Ted Heistman

            I think that its good to help people, obviously, but there are more to people than any type of diagnosis. I think more often people just need to be plugged into the right vocation rather than seen as being deficient for not conforming to some artificial norm. First of all this “norm” is like a weird anomaly in and of itself. Lots of people don’t fit into it for example indigenous people the world over. .

            I think the world is a mysterious place and infinitely more complex than our little models.

          • Calypso_1

            Fundamentally I don’t disagree with anything you just said. However, the ‘norm’ as in ‘normal distribution’ is just plain fact and exists throughout nature. Nature is quantified & periodic. When something is too far away from the norm it simply becomes something else. The process by which it does so, particularly in biological organisms, involves a great deal of failure.

          • Ted Heistman

            I think the planet as a whole is the normal distribution and in that context Modern life is weird.

          • Nathaniel Harris

            This is the trouble with sociopaths- all your attempts to ‘help’ them, showing them love, light.. whatever.. merely inspire their secret contempt for you. They wouldn’t help YOU by pissing on you if you were on fire.

          • Calypso_1

            They most certainly would, especially if it benefited them.
            You are rapidly degenerating into standard demonizing of the ‘other’.

    • Dingbert

      Essentially you are correct. And that’s the view of psychologists, too. But be careful not to load the word “disorder” with anything more than it’s medical definition of functional abnormality. Personality disorders are Axis II in the DSM. Axis II are disorders only in the sense that they do not fit the cultural norms and seriously inhibit functioning in a society. They’re just personality/intellectual types that make life exceptionally difficult if you have them in a certain place and time.

      • Ted Heistman

        In some societies people with traits associated with sociopathy don’t fit in at all. American society allows this type to thrive in certain situations/occupations.

        • Calypso_1

          As more nuanced surveys of traits & behaviors are developed that begin to eliminate psychopathy as merely antisocial behavior and take into account cross-cultural social standards, it is found that the disorder manifests w/ variance in both culture & gender within culture.

    • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

      I’m not so sure thats the case…I mean…really… a measurable difference in brain chemistry that can be verified in repeated tests. Absence of empathic responses or feelings of guilt/shock/remorse/horror. It might be a disagreeable personality quirk…but its also looking pretty obviously like an actual physiological difference rather than a semantic one. Whether the word ‘disorder’ applies is another matter…but its clearly a very real difference between people.

      • Ted Heistman

        I think there is human variation plus I think peoples choices affect their brains. I am skeptical that there is a race of congenitally evil monsters in our midst.

        I think part of the phenomenon is a defense mechanism.

    • Calypso_1

      The concept (or the reality behind said concept), as most people hold it, as presented by the media and in this video, really doesn’t exist.

      The disorder as defined by both statistical methodology & brain studies does.

      “Personality types” are not associated with the deficits in cortical function found in psychopathy which are on the level of other disease states such as Parkinson’s.

      Someone can have a stroke to the right area of the brain and essentially become a “psychopath”. They can have lesions from other disease states and experience the same. There can be similar effects from long term damage of adrenergic diseases. But all of these are known causes.
      ‘Psychopathy’ as a psychological disorder is a known disease state with an unknown etiology.

    • Guest

      Notice that you could just as easily make this argument about most disorders. My uncle might have been a brilliant artist or writer, but “paranoid schizophrenia” is a particularly pernicious disorder, or “disorder” which most people (his self included) find uncomfortable…

      As for my “ADD”, maybe some brains are just wired for the 50 unrelated tabs I have open at the top of this browser window…

  • Dingbert

    Sorry, Discovery News, you f’ed up. It’s 1 in 100, not 1 in 25.

    wwwDOTnimhDOTnihDOTgov/statistics/1Antisocial.shtml

    • http://www.sacredgeometryinternational.com/ Camron Wiltshire

      To clarify it is stated in the book cited as,1 in 25 for sociopaths, and 1 in 100 for pscyhopaths if I’m not mistaken.

      • Calypso_1

        The book is a pathetic work of pop psych.

  • Roxy Gnzlz

    “… for diagnosing sociopathy and psychopathy, you first of all need to adjust your terminology.

    sociopath was in the DSM III-R, but removed from the DSM IV. it was replaced with a broader category called Antisocial personality disorder. It is a psychiatric diagnosis in the DSM-IV-TR recognizable by the disordered individual’s disregard for social rules and norms, impulsive behavior, and indifference to the rights and feelings of others. The World Health Organization’s ICD-10 diagnostic manual uses dissocial personality disorder instead. The concept psychopathy (not to be confused with psychosis) generally denotes a related but more severe personality disorder.

    Sociopathy is sometimes claimed to be a less formal synonym for this disorder based on terminology from an older edition of the DSM. Various experts have co-opted the terms psychopathy and sociopathy inconsistently to mark differences in meaning they believe are theoretically important although there is a consensus that both terms refer to personality disorders with prominent norm-breaking and socially disruptive behavior…”

  • z@ch

    I can’t understand half of what she says and I am pretty good with English.
    Does not being able to understand over done attempts at bubbly personality make one a sociopath? Anybody else have a hard time comprehending what certain t.v. personalities are actually saying sometimes? I listen and the words seem like a jumble of bullsh*t put together in a sentency sounding way. And yet I know these people are speaking real words. Anybody?

    • Calypso_1

      Her ‘empathy’ was drowning out the linguistic content.

  • razzlebathbone

    So, given that psychopaths are a clear and present danger to the survival of our species, what are the moral implications of developing a targeted virus to exterminate them?

    • Adamas Macalz

      Lol sounds like the logic of a sociopath

      • razzlebathbone

        If a bear kills a wolf attacking her cubs, does that make the bear a sociopath?

        • Calypso_1

          No. The bear would be a racist.

          • Adam’s Shadow

            Awesome.

  • Ted Heistman
  • illuminatus

    The most successful parasites are not recognised by their host. People just
    need to be aware that they are out there. The fact that there are psychopaths
    out there and that they hold high status positions allow us to adapt and make
    choices based on the reality. To ignore them or pretend that they don’t exist is
    to help them prosper.

    As a species, we are hardwired to think people are ‘good’ like us (don’t
    consistently lie, think about others and consequences of actions to others
    etc.) Psychopaths don’t and they abuse the natural human instinct to think that
    they do to their advantage.

    Psychopathy might be adaptive behaviour but it goes against what most
    non-psychopaths would recognise as desirable, positive human traits and has a
    detrimental affect on the rest of the communities they inhabit.

    Unfortunately, they have been ‘successful’ in redefining what is successful
    in our society (i.e. commodities which can be hoarded like money rather than
    intangibles like happiness and friendship). Moreover, they have such an
    influence that psychopathic behaviour is encouraged in non-psychopaths in order
    to achieve their so called ‘success’.

    As with all parasite-host relationships, when the parasite become too successful
    they kill the host which is more or less what is happening to the world’s
    economies at the moment.

    • Calypso_1

      As a species, most people are trained to think they are good.

      • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

        I was just about to respond with that

      • Andrew

        Not in my experience.

        • Calypso_1

          Really?
          Try making a survey. Just like most people think they are better than average drivers.
          I dare say that most people are in fact not trained to BE good, or trained to be aware of their nature to such an extent that they can distinguish what they are told is ‘good’ from more mundane social norms.

          • Andrew

            In my experience most people are trained to believe they are inadequate, undeserving, and bad if not evil. They internalize those judgments, destroy their own integrity, self-righteously project their self-loathing onto others, and spend the rest of their lives making themselves and everyone else miserable. Really.

          • Calypso_1

            Is there a high percentage of catholics in your vicinity?

          • Andrew

            A high percentage of catholic’s what?

          • Calypso_1

            …guilt germs?

          • Andrew

            Not just Catholic’s, but (shudder) Baptist’s.

            I guess I really have no idea what “normal” is.

          • Guest

            I’ve found the same, but maybe it’s just the South… >_>

          • Calypso_1

            I’m in & from the south.

          • Calypso_1

            pssst…there is no normal. We are keeping it a secret.

  • Nathaniel Harris

    This video is useful for understanding the psychology of the psychopath, and how they can rise to power within institutions.

    The doctrines of Chaos Magic, “Nothing is True & Everything is Permitted”, “Fake it ‘til you make it”, and the nature of groups such as The Illuminates of Thanateros, not only attract psychopaths, but create them. These ‘Magicians of Baphomet’ have become a dangerous M.O.B. of abusers.

    I hope it will be useful to anyone attempting to break away from Chaos Magic, or the influence of other ‘Left Hand Path’ cults that eschew compassion as a ‘weakness’.

    http://youtu.be/MgGyvxqYSbE

    • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

      this coming from a guy who lied to make it seem like all his ex-colleagues were Cho-mo’s… for your information both the LHP and chaos magic are stand alone terms… Not all LHPers are chaos magicians and not all Chaos magicians are LHPers… and compassion is a weakness when used indiscriminately… you wouldn’t feel sorry for an enemy would you?

      • Nathaniel Harris

        I have told no lies, fool. And for ‘your information’, I could not give a Zazas Zazas about your hair splitting. Lol. As for feeling sorry for my enemies.. with what they have coming to them, yes, I would say I pity them greatly. Everything they have fooled you into believing they are is about to turn to SHIT, along with almost eveything they have ever said, done, or written.

        Sorry for the inconvenience, Mr. Black Magic know it all…

        • Calypso_1

          I always wondered what kind of person wrote the sort of books you did. Watching your vids was very enlightening.

          • Nathaniel Harris

            That’s a very two edged comment. Whatever. As I said, this is going to prove a steep learning curve for many people. The truth is the truth, and it weighs more than a billion lies. When the scales tip.. all those who stood by their occult idols, or who disrespected me for doing the right thing (and at great risk to my own wellbeing) are going to be looking pretty dumb. But its OK, I understand.. that’s why I posted this film to try and help them. Call it ‘compassion’.

          • Calypso_1

            Are the edges undirected, directed or mixed?

          • Nathaniel Harris

            They don’t seem to be very sharp, in any case.

          • Calypso_1

            I can see how you such binary metaphors would be the easiest positions for you to take.

      • Nathaniel Harris

        Yes, I would feel sorry for my enemies. I know what is coming to them. I told no lies. The irony of me posting a video to help people understand how they have been fooled, and then still attacked by yet another dupe.. it is beyond measure. Listen, I have the support I need, and if you or anyone else wants to pass up the opportunity of being on the right side, that is fine by me. “Those who join too late will have many regrets.”

        And thanks for explaining that ‘Chaos Magic’ is not LHP.. because after nearly thirty years of involvement in occultism, I wouldn’t know what I was talking about, would I.. Lol. Hair splitting impresses nobody.

        • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

          wait you’re lynch mob has an open invitation? I want in! BURN THE WITCHES!!! ESPECIALLY THE ONES THAT I DON’T LIKE!

          • Nathaniel Harris

            There are no witches. I am talking about child abusers, fool. There is no lynch mob. There is the media, and there is the Police. And when the scales of justice tip, shall we remember what side of the balance you were on?

          • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

            are you sure it isn’t a lynch mob? Because you sound kinda like the spanish inquisition

          • Nathaniel Harris

            Well, you ARE being a fool! Don’t blame me! You are also being very boring.

          • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

            sociopath’s have a tendency to get bored easily… are you sure you are not a sociopath?

          • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

            sociopath’s have a higher tendency to be bored… are you sure you are not a sociopath?

          • Calypso_1

            They also tend to have a lower verbal IQ.

          • http://www.facebook.com/adamas.macalz Adamas Macalz

            how many times are you going to use the word Fool? you are starting to remind me of Excalibur

        • Guest

          “The irony of me posting a video to help people understand how they have
          been fooled, and then still attacked by yet another dupe.. it is beyond
          measure.”

          Actually, that’s not ironic. That would be entirely expected behavior if you were speaking about any other group.

          Also, you use “Lol” too often. You’re in your 40’s or older? It doesn’t seem like it.

  • disqus_bXlSZdZtVD

    I couldn’t watch the whole thing, the “host” was driving me crazy (no pun intended). Everything from her ill-fitting blouse to her voice to the way she spoke. She just sounded like an incompetent college freshman attempting (and failing) to do a report via video. Please make it stop!

  • Cuppa Java

    This video and attempt at reporting news is what happens when ugly, clueless geeks with no style, intelligence or common sense get their hands on a camcorder – uggggggggh shudder what a creep

  • How bob

    Sounds like the Japanese,,,believe it ,Or not,,,but 23 years of observation,and counting, tells Me so…!

  • Ted Heistman
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