The DreaMTime Invasion- DMT and the Roots of Religion

285>_8471751Prepare to have your mind blown by a knowledgeable student of one of the worlds most interesting (and lesser known) DMT filled plant teachers- the Acacia….

“Join DMT-Nexus forum moderator NEN and experiential journalist Rak Razam in this revelatory interview exploring the entheogenic realms of DMT and ayahuasca & their connection to the Dreamtime Consciousness and the Global Shamanic Resurgence.

Listen here:

http://in-a-perfect-world.podomatic.com/entry/2013-07-07T03_05_22-07_00

Indigenous Australian culture is at least 60,000-100,000 years old. Hidden in the unbroken tradition are the shared roots of the Vedas, in which the Acacia (Khadira) was the Vajra, the weapon of Indra. The emergence of these plant teachers, and the passing on of indigenous knowledge could be seen to constitute a new reverse colonization of the modern world–the Dreamtime Invasion. “At the heart of indigenous philosophy is the Dreamtime. It is not the past, or the future, it is the eternal creation out of pattern in the Now.  The ‘dot’ patterns, the spirit worlds of the tryptamine space are always present, creating the external world. The ability to understand and modify ‘reality’ was at the core of the training of… indigenous elders with intact knowledge about these sacraments.”

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  • salviad

    Oh No! Auto-play! Bad! BAD!

    • Matt Staggs

      Oh, I know! Why do people set their media to do this? I just went back and deleted the plug-in. Left the link.

      • salviad

        Thank you. It was getting crazy trying to hit pause before it started playing when reloading the page :)

    • Yūgen

      Sorry about that! I didn’t even notice.

      I hope this doesn’t deter anyone from listening to it. Its fascinating.

      • salviad

        No worries, it all worked out.

  • Ted Heistman

    Most Shamanic traditions use drumming to enter a state of non-ordinary consciousness. So nothing against DMT, its produced by the human brain and used bay various Latin American shamanic traditions in the form of Ayahuasca.

    But I think people should understand that you don’t need to either
    1. break the law
    2. Repeal Drug laws
    3. Fly to South America

    to experience these realities. You can perform a ceremony by yourself or with a small group of friends, play a drumming tape, or have a friend use a drum and go on a Shamanic Journey. No dealer or Ayahuasca tourism required.

    • Adam’s Shadow

      Bill Hicks referred to using LSD as “squeegeeing his Third Eye” and Terrence McKenna said much the same thing regarding psilocybin usage (and I’m paraphrasing here): “I don’t have time to sweep the ashram for thirty years so I can find enlightenment.” Psychedelic drugs (especially entheogens like Ayahuasca and psilocybin) are sort of a “shortcut” for inducing trance and visionary states; they may not be as safe as meditation or “sober” shamanic ritual, or even as effective in the long-term, but they sure do work well in the short term. I’m sure you could attribute this to a “quick-fix” mentality present in our culture (“Serenity NOW! Transcendent experience NOW!”), and you would be right, but there’s nothing like just eating some strange plant to really obliterate the fuck out of your ego.

      • Ted Heistman

        Ayahuasca tourism is only a short cut if you are affluent. Flying to Peru and paying a Shaman to take you through one of these ceremonies can cost several thousand dollars.

        I mean, I am not saying its not worth the experience, going to Burning man costs money too, but the reality is that this world is available to all. I am not talking about spending years in an Ashram either. I am talking about what Michael Harner calls “sonic driving” http://www.druidkirk.org/ecstatic/#sonic

        If you take these experiences seriously they can lead to a lot of growth. One important aspect is creating a sacred space and your own ritual. These Shamanic journeys can be really intense too.

      • Shakynavelbones

        Would you agree that a Changa ritual is probably the safest place to start with hallucinogens?

        • Adam’s Shadow

          Sadly, not familiar with the Changa ritual.

          But the safest place to start with hallucinogens almost always involves having someone with you who has extensive and responsible experience with said drug, being in a comfortable environment around people you trust completely, and where you are 99% certain you have nowhere to go and nothing important to do for the rest of the day. And it’s better if you have the next day off work, because hallucinogens are unpredictable.

          Of course, you can always eat almost a half-ounce of mushrooms by yourself and wait to see what happens, as I have done. But you should get your feet wet first, with a trusted and experienced “trip-buddy” there to watch over you.

    • Trevor Smith

      While you can enter extraordinary states of consciousness without ingesting psychedelic plants, discounting them by saying plants/fungi are a “short-cut” makes no sense and totally ignores the deep and life-long work that can be undergone with the help of these plant teachers. Tell someone whose done deep work with shamanic medicines for decades that they’re just a short cut and they will surely laugh in your face my friend.

      Sorry, but 12 hours of a deep ayahuasca or mushroom journey, or 50mg of dmt smoked in one hit, is 99.999% of the time NOT like meditation or drumming. There may be some similarities (I’ve entered much less intense but similar states after years of practice)… but despite some similarities, they are not two means to the same end…and in fact they seem trivial in comparison with the far reaches of the psychedelic states you can reach.

      But its not about doing a this vs. that debate…A serious and dedicated explorer will get more out of learning and/or combining various approaches instead of scoffing at one and praising another. We need to explore every fruitful option we can if we are to turn this earthship around and get back on track.

      Do you really think most people in our crazy world today are going to be able to just meditate or drum themselves into the ayahuasca dimension? Thats not going to catalyze the shift in consciousness we need to turn the planet around. Meditation/drumming/etc is a part of it and can help, but mistaking it as the end all package is a grave mistake.

      “No dealer required”

      You can grow/brew/do it all yourself man. There is no dealer required. You don’t even have to go to south america…Its also odd your post focused on ayahuasca when this is mostly about Acacia (which has a long, long history of usage in the old world). Not to mentions mushrooms are basically a form of oral dmt. This is worldwide and has been going on for millenia.

      much love

      • Ted Heistman

        I’ll try to be more of an asshole about stuff in the future. When I choose my words carefully they get misconstrued anyway. I never scoffed at any of these practices. Its just that the laws and availability of these substances, and the cost of plane fare to Peru are a barrier to many people who could benefit from shamanic journeying.

        I think one thing about entering altered states is that ceremony or any type of placebo effect can trigger the transition from one reality to the next. So probably flying to Peru and taking a powerful drug under the superintendence of trained shamans, will no doubt have a powerful effect on your subconscious mind. You can strengthen your intention in other ways to such as fasting.

        Eventually, these practices, traditions and communities have to move North and become more legit if they are going to have a trans formative effect on the World.

        Anyway I have done DMT and mushrooms and I don’t feel like I need them to journey.

        • Trevor Smith

          Apologies, I interpreted you calling them a “short cut” as discrediting them or diluting their significance. Again, you don’t need to go to peru to experience ayahausca.

          They are already having a transformative affect on the world.

          “Anyway I have done DMT and mushrooms and I don’t feel like I need them to journey.”

          Thats cool. I can journey other ways to, but like I said, IMO one is not equal to the other in the way that you hinted at. It might be for you, but it is not like that for everyone. They are not the same thing… especially when it comes to dealing with their other modalities for healing addictions/parasites/etc. as in the case of iboga and ayahuasca. Ayahuasca also upregulates seratonin receptor sites, and mushrooms have been shown to cause neurogenesis as well. All round its just way too complicated a thing to be equated to something else like drumming. Sure, after a lot of practice a shaman can sing an icaro and enter a similar state, but they learned that through the use of the medicine.

          That being said, it is good to inform people of other ways to access altered states. But saying one is a substitution to the other or a means to the same ends is completely false and after hundreds of journeys I think that needs to be said.

        • Rhoid Rager

          Have you noticed that having already been put into an altered state of consciousness with psychedelics gets your mind lubed up for later revisitation? If I put myself into a quiet place (or even with music I really like) I can recall the sensations and perspectives I had before. It’s like drugs shoe-horned my mind into a reality that made it easier to get into later.

          • Ted Heistman

            I think there is something to that, yes. I also think childhood trauma can help you access altered states of consciousness. Because ordinary realty becomes too painful to remain in all the time. A lots of artists, shamans and visionaries had fucked up childhoods.

          • Rhoid Rager

            That’s sad but hopeful at the same time.

          • Ted Heistman

            I started channeling my ancestors when I was eight years old through my Art.

          • Yūgen

            Definitely. And “sober” activities like meditation also help lube up your psychedelic experiences. Someone once said meditation is like bringing a surfboard into that ocean. You need some techniques if you really want to ride the waves…

          • Rhoid Rager

            I like that metaphor. I also like your name…幽玄 translated as mysterious profundity. I believe Donald Keene wrote extensively about that in his analysis of Japanese literature/culture.

            “There is a yugen in the sight of a tea-master dipping water into a kettle with simple movements that have about them the lines of eternity.” Sources of Japanese Tradition

          • jononehumanbeing

            I really enjoyed this little conversational – I could imagine it as a scene filmed in a little bar… nice.

      • Ted Heistman

        Making DMT, is not that easy. Its also not that easy to smoke it correctly. But like anything else arduous, going through the process can strengthen your intention.

        Well, having journeyed both with and without the use of these drugs, either I am special, or else they aren’t really needed.

        As I said earlier I am not scoffing at these practices and use of these drugs/plant medicines, but I think there are drawbacks. And I think there is no proof that the use of psychedelic drugs in Shamanism is universal. Defintately in the Northern Hemisphere it was not.The use of drums, chanting a.k.a “sonic driving” actually is universal.

        • Trevor Smith

          I’m not saying the use of psychedelics in shamanism is universal, in the sense that every single shamanic community utilizes them. But from what we know they have been used for thousands of years all over the world.

          Extracting dmt and/or brewing/growing ayahuasca or fungi is actually incredibly easy. Changa is incredibly easy to smoke correctly.

          Just because everyone might use drums (that is actually debatable) doesn’t mean they are a suitable substitution for psychedelics. Countless groups in the northern hemisphere use plant or fungi psychedelics.

        • Yūgen

          Actually extracting dmt is very easy. Smoking it is to, if you do some reading (and make changa). Same with brewing and growing your own ayahuasca/shamanic plants. People who think all of this is difficult really just need to spend some time researching, and checking out the https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/

          Peace

    • Frater Isla

      I’d like to try out this sonic driving. Any specifics on steps to take?

      (But I wouldn’t mind trying some DMT, either)

      • Ted Heistman

        I am working on an article about it. I think the important thing is your intention. But you can find rhythmic drumming clips on youtube.

  • Juan

    Well, I’ll be sailing off into the ayahuasca ocean for the next ten days. We’ll be doing a traditional Shipibo dieta. Not going to Peru either;)
    I’ll be incommunicado till around the 23.
    Cheers, babies:)

  • Yūgen

    One great way to learn to enter an altered state is through staring, especially into a mirror. Prolonged eye contact with others also triggers it pretty readily.

    It helps to be on (or learn this through) psychedelics, but eventually you’ll probably find yourself in another world even without them. Its like building a neural bridge and learning to consciously shift between the brains hemispheres….Although that is really just a totally arbitrary neurological way to frame whats happening, which doesn’t even come close to this profound continuum of experiential existence we’re attempting to shackle into words.

    • Matt Staggs

      “Scrying” into a crystal ball, black mirror or other device works on a similar principle. The Rosicrucians (AMORC) are big on that. Unfortunately, they’re more of a mail-order “Learn Magical Powerzzz!” organization than true seekers or mystics. I fooled around with their stuff for a month. I’ll stick with my classic Rosicrucian Manifestos, thanks.

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