• Charlie Primero

    OWS reminds me of those Student Councils in high school who present lists of reform demands to the Principal and School Board.

    “Keep ‘em busy doing nothing”.

    Works every time.

    • Kropotkin1936

      And what exactly would you suggest people do? OWS doesn’t really exist anymore, but it caused the most significant rupture in recent memory. I would say that there are way more radicalized people who went from liberal to radical through the OWS. The issue now is, in the context of the police state, how do we revolt? The task is overwhelming, and a lot of people have stepped back and are waiting for the next rupture.

      • Charlie Primero

        OWS caused no rupture. It merely reinforces the thousand year-old retarded notion that oligarchs could or would or should be responsive to the demands of their human resources.

        Want to see the real nature of your relationship with the aristocracy? Stop sending them your taxes and observe what happens.

        • Kropotkin1936

          Occupy was the first movement in a long , long time, to REFUSE to make demands of the oligarchy and instead focus on expropriating space. That was it’s entire strength. Certainly it was riddled with reformists and wingnuts, but for once even the old stalinists and liberals of the left were at least forced to pay lip service to horizontal organization, and for once anarchists had played a large role in kickstarting their own movement instead of trying to intervene in the useless petitions of the dinosaur left. All in all, it was a few weeks in autumn where possibility opened, peaking with the general strike in Oakland and ending with the brutal eviction of the encampments by a militarized police state, their fascism visible for the first time to many of white, middle class background.

          I need no elucidation on my relationship with the oligarchy. Occupy is dead, but it was only the first wave of an uprising that is global in scope. So if you’re hoping for bigger and better things than I hope I’ll see you in the streets

      • Hadrian999

        there can be no real revolution as long as the illusion of electoral democracy stands, until the system is discredited in the eyes of the populace any real action can be painted as extremism by the ruling class

        • Jin The Ninja

          agreed. that is what i find most problematic about chris hedges. his critique of the system is ‘radical’ but his conclusions are fearful, small, and mired in the logic of the system.

          • Bluebird_of_Fastidiousness

            There was a hope, especially when Hedges v. Obama was moving forward, that the “rule of law” could be “restored”. This train’s next stop after that case is a place that is all to familiar to a man like Hedges, who has spent years in conflicts I shutter to consider. That kind of conflict likely is what is required to achieve radical progress, but it is a very bitter medicine. Before his case was dismissed, he would say things like “unless we…”. His most recent articles are missing that caveat.

    • Heath

      Pizza pizza pizza!

    • Hadrian999

      occupy would never get that far, that would require deciding on demands and delegating someone to deliver the list, several orders of magnitude more organized than occupy ever managed

      • Charlie Primero

        I tried to get involved in the Austin group. I ran into a wall of well-designed bureaucracy. Anyone who proposed something that actually impinged on the local government or businesses was shunted into an endless maze of pointless “organizing” busywork.

        I realized the whole thing was nothing but a mousetrap. They worked double-hard to hide the command hierarchy, but it was easy to see who got offices, cars, telephones, and titles, and who did not.
        It was a fake facade of a social movement. That’s why it reminded me of an ineffectual high school Student Council, designed to give the appearance of power and voice, without any.

        • Jin The Ninja

          i think that analogy is a very good one. i think there were major issues with OWS, and i think many of the people involved were not to committed to radicalism, but perfunctory reformism.

  • Kropotkin1936

    Chris Hedges, perhaps more than anyone else besides the pigs, was directly responsible for the death of Occupy with his slanderous articles denouncing anarchists and anyone else who didn’t conform to his liberal kumbaya vision for “his” movement (which was origninally started by anarchists).

  • Tchoutoye

    Over at truth-out.org Nathan Schneider of Waging Nonviolence claims that the re-election of Obama was one of the most concrete victories of the OWS. I despair.

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