Gaggle of Dipshits Destroy Ancient Rock Formation on Camera

Yeah, I know I shouldn’t refer to these men as a “gaggle of dipshits”, but I’m really at a loss for words as to what might have made this trio of obliviots think that this was a good idea. In a just world, the rock would have rolled in the other direction…

Via The Salt Lake Tribune:

A group of Boy Scout leaders is potentially facing felony charges for destroying a rock formation millions of years old in Emery County.

The trio of men was adventuring in Goblin Valley State Park when they decided to film themselves knocking over one of the formations, known as “goblins.”

They said later it appeared to them that it was ready to fall and might hurt someone.

In the video, posted on Facebook, one man can be seen leveraging himself against a nearby rock and pushing a formation over.

“Some little kid was about ready to walk down here and die and Glenn saved his life by getting the boulder out of the way,” the cameraman is heard saying. “So it’s all about saving lives here at Goblin Valley.”

After the rock falls, the three men laugh, cheer and high five each other.

76 Comments on "Gaggle of Dipshits Destroy Ancient Rock Formation on Camera"

  1. hotandbothered | Oct 18, 2013 at 8:44 am |

    Fat, ugly cunts.

  2. Noah_Nine | Oct 18, 2013 at 8:52 am |

    destroying the landscape whilst singing 2 in a Room….

  3. Carl Von Wolzogen | Oct 18, 2013 at 8:54 am |


  4. Liam_McGonagle | Oct 18, 2013 at 9:07 am |

    If they wanted to save lives all they would have had to do was pass on that last bacon-twinkie-and-mayo sandwich.

    • Anarchy Pony | Oct 18, 2013 at 3:37 pm |

      Why do you hate America!?

      • Liam_McGonagle | Oct 19, 2013 at 8:31 am |

        Gees, you’ve really caught me off guard there.

        I’ve written so much about why I hate America already that I can’t see what else I could add.

    • jasonpaulhayes | Oct 20, 2013 at 4:16 pm |

      …or just not join the Scouts, they’ve ruined a lot of lives.

  5. Destruction is fun! Destroying things proves I’m a man!

    • atlanticus | Oct 19, 2013 at 1:23 pm |

      “The gun is good. The penis is evil. The penis shoots seeds,
      and makes new life to poison the Earth with a plague of men, as once it
      was, but the gun shoots death, and purifies the Earth of the filth of
      brutals. Go forth … and kill!”

      • PrimateZero | Oct 19, 2013 at 5:43 pm |

        “Praise be to Zardoz!!!!”
        I see you have been raised up from brutality.

  6. Cortacespedes | Oct 18, 2013 at 9:57 am |

    Oh man, these guys need to pick on some rocks their own size.

    How about this? It too looks like it is about to fall and harm a small child. They don’t call it “delicate arch” for nothing.

    Lives hang in the balance here. Gowan. It’s just rock. I dare ya.

    Legends in dumbassery.

  7. Charlie Hopkins | Oct 18, 2013 at 10:07 am |

    What a bunch of ignorant meatheads. Fine the aboslute shit out of them

    • Why Is a rock valued higher than a man’s Right/Freedom?

      • Adam's Shadow | Oct 18, 2013 at 8:55 pm |

        It’s not; otherwise, the Taliban would have been cursed with horrible karma after destroying ancient Buddhist statues, or these men would have realized what those rocks represent in terms of Earth’s history.

        I also have the freedom to take a shit on your doorstep, it doesn’t mean it’s necessarily the wisest course of action.

      • Charlie Hopkins | Oct 19, 2013 at 2:29 pm |

        Oh shit a tea party member. Ok let me try and explain and please dont shout “freedom” half way through…….It was not just a rock, like a rock in your garden, it was a rock formation that came into being over thousands of years. It’s got nothing to do with freedom or rights, it’s got everything to do with respect. That ‘rock’ was going to provide far more positive experiences for humanity than those fat dick heads ever will and his logic of saving a kid from being killed is the same as if I pushed him off a cliff to save any kids in the future from having to call that twat their father. I bet if someone blew up mount rushmore you’d be all over it, well, to some people these formations were probably just as important, and that is worth respecting.

        • Tea party member? That’s a bit presumptuous. I don’t think within the confines of Left or Right, actually. I’m simply a humanitarian/rationalist. Even regarding your example of how I’d feel toward Mt. Rushmore; personally, nothing. Yes, I’m aware there are countless individuals who find historical significance In many of these sites. I don’t have this same level of connectivity. I do respect what others typically deem important, whether I agree or not, I understand. For me, somethings boarder the line of absurdity; this being one. Rather than instant judgement, I consider many other factors for situations like this…. Context, intent, and details surrounding a specific event are crucial. If this same man sought to ‘intentionally’ deface all the surrounding rock formations, then that to me warrants potential legal action. Everything under the sun Is not guarantied to remain as Is. Weather conditions shape our geographic landscape just as much as forest fire caused by a lit match. I do believe the life we have here, should tread lightly. Seriously, I understand this Is important to you, but please consider prioritizing the concerns you feel the need to address. There Is so much global dysfunction. If you were familiar with a quarter of the issues that affect you and those you love on a daily basis, you would not find the time, need, or importance to defend this matter; In spite of how deeply this resonates within you.

          • Charlie Hopkins | Oct 19, 2013 at 6:02 pm |

            Okay I understand you’re now trying to present yourself as rational and intelligent but that does not really fly in the context of your original comment. If you intentionally wrote something ridiculous to get a response okay but you’re original comment presents you as a moron, as opposed to thoughtful or insightful, so thats how you’re being addressed. I have a feeling you are a female troll as then your name would be Misinform which is quite clever, but I’m having enough fun to pretend your a real person. So real person as most of what you said about geographic locations, wind and global dysfunction, has nothing to do with anything I actually said (a favourite tactic of every tea party republican) I’ll skip to the end.

            I’m not defending anything, I think you’ll find I’m agreeing with 99% of people who find these mens actions disgraceful. YOU seem to be defending them, or their right to do what ever they like, under the banner of “freedom” whilst at the same time saying there are more important things going on in the world that I should be worry about. You can turn a blind eye if you choose but allowing every day stupidity and ignorance to reign and become common place and acceptable is one of the biggest problems this world faces because ultimately it is the root cause of pretty much everything else.

            Oh and the words ‘in’ and ‘is’ do not require a capital I

          • What I wrote to you was intended to present clarity. I also deviated due to the subject matters lack of significance. I made an attempt for you to consider the world In a bigger picture, even though you believe the root cause for the worlds issues in your mind to be stupidity. That Is really watering down a more complex problem, but ok. You do realize I’m not attempting to present myself as anything, but me? The guy on the opposite end of the conversation/screen you’ve never met a day In your life. In your world view, I’m a ‘moron’ for asking, “Why Is a rock valued higher than a man’s “Right/Freedom?”. This statement in your mind, somehow places me In the same box of a TEA PARTY person? Though I distinctly stated I do not self-identify or think within the paradigm of Republican or Democrat. Because you’re incapable of thinking on a macro scale and connecting the dots of common reason I’ve shared; that makes me a study of Rep tactics 101? In your opinion, agreeing with your own fabricated statistic of (99%) validates your own reasoning? You do realize a majority consensus Is NOT a validation for truth, correct?…..But, I’m the moron? My initial comment to you appears ridiculous because your perspective/vantage point/outlook on life, Is drastically different from my own. It really Is that simple. You seem to believe you hold a superior understanding. It would explain your condescending, self-righteous tone. Consider (Reflection) being your default response to life, rather than instant judgment. It’s possible you may eventually consider other means of viewing those “Fat Dick Heads”.

          • Charlie Hopkins | Oct 19, 2013 at 7:49 pm |

            I didn’t want to insult everyday Republicans by lumping them in with you – hence the tea party reference.
            Yes in my world view asking “why is a rock valued higher than a man’s “Right/Freedom?” makes you moron and with almost no hope of redemption because you actually have to ask why that question makes you a moron.
            My 99% statistic was gathered by looking at the comments made for this video and seeing only one person who actually sought to justify these mens actions. You are the 1%.
            Finally I dont need to eat shit to know it does not taste good and I don’t need to waste a second of my life considering the views of those fat dick heads in the hope of finding insight.
            I dont mean to get personal but I really do think you are a troll and having a massive laugh about this….which by now I am as well. Have a good weekend and lets hope for bigger world issues to take up our time

          • Agree to disagree. It’s laughable for you to have explained your faulty logic. Our society has been conditioned by design. Another conversation for another day. With your level of arrogance, It won’t be with you, lol. On a broad scale that includes the society you live, the majority exudes confirmation bias. In other words, a byproduct of psychological manipulation. How this ties Into your belief of me being part of the 1%? Connect the dots. I know, you can’t. On to bigger and better. Be well, Charlie.

          • Charlie Hopkins | Oct 19, 2013 at 8:38 pm |

            You can continue to condescend to those around you but at the end of the day everything that has been said aside if you cant understand why your original question prompted my response on this issue (idiots destroying nature for their personal amusement) then I think you’ll be the one left behind. If this article was entitled ‘Man saves child from falling boulder’ after examining the inofrmation I would still have the same opinion so you see its facts I base my information on not conspiracy theories. If your only reason to disagree is because you believe the majority are being manipulated your whole life is going to be governed by what others are saying and doing anyway

          • To, those, around, me….? You, Charlie? I swore I was the victim of your immediate/continual labeling, assumptions, and superiority complex. “Equal and opposite reaction”. Why It prompted your response? The same way your personality would prompt me to hurt you, If I were to meet you in person? Exactly Charlie, everyone has a choice In how they conduct themselves In response to what’s being said or done to them. Yes, my question was intentionally baiting, but not for the reasons you might think. Among a few, I wanted to hear from someone who could articulate their perspective. I did so to better understand the mentality of the view you represent. I hear the outrage, I’m reading the outrage, but the punishment doesn’t fit the crime; in my opinion. (Let go of this majority thing though Charlie, really. The majority of people once believed the world was flat, we couldn’t fly, we couldn’t reach the moon. The majority of people In America once believed smoking was ‘kool’. Now, it’s slowly becoming molly). Be a critical thinker. Not to say you’re not, just dig deeper. Narcissism, ‘self-centeredness’ and self-indulgence Is at an all time high. I don’t know why you’d be so eager to identify with people who’ve shown In various ares of their lives to be unreliable in judgment.) “Facts I base my information on not conspiracy theories.” At what point do YOU consider the FACT, you assume more than you ‘state’ facts. Again you don’t know me. You don’t know what Information I’ve availed myself to. You don’t know what government agency I work for, or don’t. You don’t know who I’ve interviewed. You don’t know my race. You don’t know my age. BUT, you SOMEHOW know I’m a conspiracy theorist, Tea Party ‘associate’, and a self-evident moron. Do I not sound sane and reasonable? I guess you answered that with me being a moron, LOL! If you want Information to draw your own conclusion regarding psychological manipulation, ask. Otherwise remain In denial, consider me a loon, go about your life. “The wisest man on Earth is as knowledgeable as a grain of sand on the shore of a beach.”

          • Charlie Hopkins | Oct 20, 2013 at 12:13 am |

            Yes to, those, around, you. Also it is spelled “cool’ not “kool”. Come one you insinuate you are a respected journalist or a government agent but your grasp of basic grammar is below high school level. You freely acknowledge you are a troll and only asked such a ridiculous question to draw comment but then don’t like being called out on it and claim some lofty higher purpose that you were hoping to find someone really amazing on here who understood what you were going for. If your life is comprised of asking stupid questions on the internet merely to provoke a response you have very little to offer. Your race is unimportant, your age is unimportant, at least to me. That you compare this incident to people thinking the world is flat says that you think there is a possibility that one day mankind will look at what these guys have done and say Bravo, well done guys you were right we were wrong. 99% of people think the holocaust happened and was a terrible thing so does that mean we were all manipulated? Thats why you’re a moron. Troll off trolly mctroll troll and if you’re going to troll at least own it.

          • Kool, as in the cigarette, -_-. Insinuate? I’m simply having you grasp the concept of considering facts before making concrete statements. Any and all details regarding a person adds significance. I’m not going to list the countless reasons why. You were correct to say, “at least to me”. I’m comparing this incident to what? You don’t apply context much to your assessments. My patience Is thinning. Why does It appear you misinterpret everything I say… I’m beginning to think you’re the one trolling at this point. To some degree, I hope so. Your issue with my grammar may stem from English being my second language. How many do you speak? I’m curious, but I suppose that’s not important. If you’re not familiar with the subject I’m referring to dealing with psychological warfare, please don’t pretend you understand. Your attempts to make a reasonable argument Is not good. Since you’re still implying I’m a conspiracy theorist, type TED GUNDERSON – CIA and SATANISM. He head the FBI in Memphis, Dallas, and Los Angeles. If you’re curious about missing children; watch.

          • Godwin’s law is rapidly approaching its realization here. Why don’t you call each other more names instead of finding common ground? We all know that when someone posts something reminiscent of our preestablished stigmas, we must pursue a scorched earth policy of ten cent aspersions.

        • Taan Maat | Oct 22, 2013 at 9:17 am |

          it’s just a rock.

  8. So there is a real life Peter Griffin..!

  9. I’m clinging to the possibility that 2,000 years from now, archaeologists will blame this on Larry the Cable Guy.

  10. Ted Heistman | Oct 18, 2013 at 11:26 am |

    That’s what I think of these ass clowns:

    Killed the largest reptile in the world through neglect by being backwards assed retards and keeping it in a kiddie pool and charging tourists to pet it.

  11. Ted Heistman | Oct 18, 2013 at 11:29 am |

    How about banning them for life from being with in 500 feet of any type of natural beauty?

  12. There are scant words to describe how I feel about this.

    • Gnome Voynich | Oct 18, 2013 at 4:08 pm |

      And now take a moment to think about fracking, humans who frack, humans who want to frack. And tar sands. And mining. And the Gulf of Mexico oil drill spill. And Fukushima. And the microplastic oceans.

  13. teachpeace | Oct 18, 2013 at 1:11 pm |

    Their sentences should exceed that of Tim De Christopher who tried to protect Utah.

  14. I was pissed at first. Then it dawned on me that this video best represents what we, as a species, are doing to the planet.

    • Rhetorikol | Oct 19, 2013 at 11:20 am |

      Millions of years in the making, pushed off the edge by humanity’s continuous naivety and infantilism.

      • I know, now we are plummeting into a terra path of epic destruction. Perhaps we can cure it with contour plowing.

  15. These cretins look like they just walked of the set of Idiocracy. They are legion and fairly representative of millions of Americans. Tragic:(

  16. Whats the big deal? Every brick layed, every wall framed is an altered and destroyed part of this planet. The bonus in this case, is that rock will be around long after them and the lack of critical thinking on this pathetic excuse for a story.

    • Ted Heistman | Oct 18, 2013 at 4:56 pm |


    • atlanticus | Oct 19, 2013 at 1:25 pm |

      Whether or not you think it’s news-worthy, the men are still being charged, proving that the “lack of critical thinking” as you see it, extends beyond the poster, the author, or any replies to the story. Why did you even reply?

  17. Doctor Holiday | Oct 18, 2013 at 6:21 pm |

    When all of you self righteous clowns start living off the land, walking everywhere, avoid the use of electricity and hot water, then get back to me…it was a rock….who gives a flying F!

    • Adam's Shadow | Oct 19, 2013 at 12:58 pm |

      Right,the same way the Pacific Ocean is just a bunch of water, the Amazon is just a bunch of fucking trees, and the Sistine Chapel is just a really big fresco.

      And you’re just a piece of walking, talking meat.

      • Yea, pick your battles cause you and your existence hasnt participated cause you live in a cave with wifi…punch the balls off yourself hypocrite.

        • Adam's Shadow | Oct 19, 2013 at 11:30 pm |

          There’s a big difference between not living in a cave with wifi and actively defacing an extremely rare rock formation from the Jurassic. It’s like a rapist saying “What’s the big deal? You think she’s hot too, right?” You’re just making excuses for people acting like ignorant, selfish assholes.

          • Sondra Carr | Oct 20, 2013 at 10:54 am |

            Actually that metaphor is nowhere near accurately aligned. It’s more like being a jerk who routinely gets girls too drunk to know what they are doing at frat parties and fucking them in their sleep then going off on someone who fondles a coworker in the elevator. Neither is good, but didn’t Jesus say something about removing shit from your own eyes before judging others like thousands of years ago?

          • Adam's Shadow | Oct 20, 2013 at 1:42 pm |

            “a jerk who routinely gets girls too drunk to know what they are doing at frat parties and fucking them in their sleep.”

            So, right, a rapist.

            I’m at a loss why anyone would try to defend the actions of these men in any fashion, or criticize others for criticizing them. Notice I have said nothing about what kind of punishment they should receive, legal or otherwise, because I don’t think they should receive any. Nor am I trying to engage in the kind of mass “Internet shaming” that’s all the rage right now, and neither am I trying to pretend like I don’t contribute to the degradation of the planet myself. I am merely saying that these men, in this particular instance, were acting like ignorant dicks.

            And I don’t think that’s hypocritical, because the last time I was at a state park, I didn’t spend my time boulder-tipping for Jesus.

          • Sondra Carr | Oct 20, 2013 at 2:49 pm |

            Well, since no one is actually defending these guys, I guess I’m at a loss as to how you made it to adulthood without someone teaching you what a strawman was and why it’s disingenuous to use them in discussions – but I guess if you care more about win/ lose than understanding the human condition, it wouldn’t matter too much to you.

            What you see as “defending” is what we’re seeing as “putting into perspective”. Other thinking type of people do this all the time. We usually refer to those people as philosophers. They care about bigger pictures and not some daytime television echo chamber of “Can you BELIEVE how stupid all those other people are – thank GOD we’re not like them” idiocy.

            If you’ll read back, you’ll see that I, too, (and others you seem to think of as ‘defending” actually think these guys are also ignorant dicks. We just really kind of like to see the bigger picture and not get in on the shame fest. You SAY you’re not doing that, but if you really were looking at it deeper than the initial groupthink, I think you’d see that what we all do is so very much bigger than this idiocy – it’s just hidden and accepted. And it’s SO worth pointing out in times like this, ESPECIALLY when it gets this sort of flack in return because this proves that we’ve accepted it so much that we no longer recognize its parallels.

            I totally get the knee jerk reaction of “idiots – let’s shoot em” and I felt it too, but then, I stopped and compared it to my own idiocy of similar bent and decided that I can’t authentically hate on these fellows when I’m out there doing as much if not more damage than this daily, even if by proxy. And if you’re honest with yourself, you’ll think that next step too and see that what I’m saying is not the words you’re trying to wedge into my fingertips.

          • Adam's Shadow | Oct 21, 2013 at 11:45 pm |


          • Sondra Carr | Oct 20, 2013 at 2:57 pm |

            Adam’s S, I’d like to actually move this discussion from a debate format (which you’re kind of failing at for anyone who is vaguely aware of logical fallacies) into a dialogue. Tell me what it is that makes you think these guys’ actions are somehow worse than my actions (and presumably yours) of driving a car that uses gasoline that destroys land every day to collect, creates troubling emissions and all the other things we all routinely do that hurts our planet and its parts?

            You can’t add “they are worse than us because they do those things too!!” because really, that’s just a silly trollish argument. We all do so much horrible stuff to the earth, how precisely do you manage to see this as worse in more than an emotional way? I mean, let me be clear here – emotionally I’m so with you. This hurts my heart to think about and I think these guys didn’t even for a minute stop and consider the destruction in the way most of us here are. But how is this vastly different from the way almost all of the rest of us never stop to consider the damage we do daily with our normal routines?

            If you honestly stop and assess this and talk about it, I’ll read what you say – if you’re just trolling for a win, I’m going to ask you to go sit at the kiddie table while the adults talk. Ok hon? Cause seriously – you’re using baby troll logic and it’s just annoying.

          • Adam's Shadow | Oct 22, 2013 at 8:56 pm |

            “I’d like to actually move this discussion from a debate format (which you’re kind of failing at for anyone who is vaguely aware of logical fallacies) into a dialogue…if you’re just trolling for a win, I’m going to ask you to go sit at the kiddie table while the adults talk. Ok hon? Cause seriously – you’re using baby troll logic and it’s just annoying.”

            I’ll take ad hominem attacks for 500, please, Alex.

            I would like to respond first by repeating what I wrote above:
            “…neither am I trying to pretend like I don’t contribute to the degradation of the planet myself. I am merely saying that these men, in this particular instance, were acting like ignorant dicks.”

            What’s the difference between the things we do every day and this particular instance of idiocy? In terms of emotion, I would say primarily intent and awareness: the intent I have is to try and do as little damage to the planet as possible, because I am aware that I am damaging it; obviously, I’m still working on that, hence my above comment. The intent these guys had was “if I can push it over, I have the right to do so, because I’m protecting children,” which is patent bullshit. Destroying a unique rock formation millions of years old purely out of some nebulous desire to protect one of your Scouts is stupid: one might as well cut down the oak tree outside of your house because your kid might crawl up it and then fall off of it one day. Their awareness of what they were doing was limited, at best.

            And I’m not sure what you mean by trolling for the win… still not sure how you win at the Internet.

  18. It’s worth noting on the second page of the article, where he says “I was prompted to move” the rock. When Mormons say “I was prompted”, they mean they were directly ordered by “The Sprit”. In short, God told him to move the rock.

  19. DeepCough | Oct 18, 2013 at 7:35 pm |

    What is with you people? Can’t you see they just saved lives?!

    • Believe it or not Im walking on air….

      • DeepCough | Oct 18, 2013 at 7:52 pm |

        I can do you one better:

        I’m walking on sunshine.


  20. Shameless

  21. You know they don’t condone this kind of shit in the book of Mormon.

  22. Sondra Carr | Oct 19, 2013 at 10:25 am |

    As much as this personally offends my sensibilities too, I have to say, I agree with those here pointing out the hypocrisy. I drive a car that uses gasoline. There’s no real difference between what these guys did directly and what most of us do indirectly to the earth. In fact, we’re actually doing more damage. This was one rock. It has “value” only in our perception of it aesthetically and based on our growing understanding of it as a part of the earth’s history.

    In no way is this rock inherently any more important than the parts of the earth we routinely destroy and that almost all of us condone or dismiss. We aren’t any less idiotic because we have other idiots doing our dirty work while we sit off to the side paying for them to do so.

    • Point taken, though I’d like to point out that the non-hypocrites in the video use all the same destructive technologies we hypocrites do, so they are still more destructive in total.

      • Sondra Carr | Oct 20, 2013 at 10:49 am |

        I don’t know, I mean, are they publicly shaming us for our equally destructive habits? And is it even a competition? I’m certainly not saying it is, nor that these idiots are “non-hypocrites” – nice strawman though. What I am saying is that us “smart people”, when in the process of publicly looking down on all those “dipshits”, might become smarter taking the eensiest look in the mirror before opening our mouths.

        • I think it’s a fair conclusion from what you wrote that the “idiots” in the video were not as hypocritical as those of us who object to their behavior. I’m also unconvinced that my habits are equally as destructive.

  23. lifobryan | Oct 19, 2013 at 1:57 pm |

    a “Gaggle of Dipshits” is a pretty good collective noun for these bozos.

    might I also suggest:

    – a “Shit of Dipgaggles” …
    – a “Corpulence of Cretins”
    – a “Pudge of Galoots”
    – an “Anal Leakage of Buffoonery”
    – a “Red, White, & Blue of Fuckwads”

  24. Harrison Kinney | Oct 20, 2013 at 5:06 am |

    Give me a break. Stop demonizing these people for their ignorance. They had good intentions. You assholes, however, make it sound like they were screaming “death to america” and burning a flag while maliciously razing a national monument.

    Few of you dipshits, if any, were even aware of Goblin Valley before this news story ran … now all of you are suddenly the defenders of all state parks. Seriously … some guys knocked over a rock. Get the fuck over yourselves. You are everything that is wrong with America.

    • Seriously? People who find out about something and then care about it are the country’s problem? Not people who know about something, don’t care about it, and then transparently joke about their destructiveness saving lives?

      Good intentions? Give me a break.

  25. Brings out my inner-authoritarian. I’m for having anybody that defaces nature like that in park hung by a crane until dead. Or shot. I’m not a monster and they probably love guns. Fuck it.

  26. Taan Maat | Oct 22, 2013 at 9:16 am |

    Guy is a moron but c’mon. It’s a fucking rock. “No it took so long… so long to get like that.. it’s like a time capsule and the monolith from 2001 combined, Dear. God.”

  27. Jon Nixon | Oct 22, 2013 at 5:42 pm |

    Suggested punishment-court order to prohibit them from reading comic books on the toilet for 18 months…….

  28. Alan Morse Davies | Oct 26, 2013 at 4:57 pm |

    Personally, I’d rather see the rocks than reduce a perceived risk to humans.

    However this does spur a really interesting argument about who decides what should be preserved unchanged in the world and why… it seems to be based on current social consensus of what has value, which differs between cultures and changes over time.

    Future children may well despair that we didn’t preserve some things they later came to value, who knows what they might be, possibly these rocks, possibly mudskippers, possibly buildings we hate, possibly weather systems.

    Our idea of preservation of the “natural” world is really the preservation of the human now or recent past. There’s a subtext born of guilt: “we’ve fucked everything up and so need to atone for our sins by preserving things”. Rocks, species, climate. Our aim is to keep them the same. Fine but if we can’t, the planet will survive very well without us. Saying we are trying to save the planet is bullshit, we’re just trying to save ourselves as a species.

    Our current idea of preservation is a tiny little bubble of now that allows us to feel responsible but is mostly about clinging onto the idea of a fixed past that did not result from constant change. It makes us feel significant and powerful, which in the scheme of things we are not. 99% of all species that have ever existed are now extinct.

    We preserve failing species… why? We assume that we’re doing good because it was our fault and we’re now correcting it, I don’t think we have the first clue about how our decisions about artificially preserving species will play out in the long term.

    I think the preservation of species or rocks is linked to our own sense of mortality and significance. It’s vanity.

    The rocks were nice though and the people that pushed them I would not choose to be across a table from. Stupid wins!

    All unhappiness stems from not accepting that change is the only constant in the universe. Hindu genius from the Vedas (I have no faith but I appreciate good ideas).

    The rocks fell and made this conversation.

    I can already smell some of the responses to this, the Hindu saying is definitely a starting point because it’s foreign.


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