Life On A Diet Of Nothing But Raw Meat

raw meatShould we go back to the wild? Via Vice, Derek Nance has eaten nothing but raw, often rotting meat for six years. He claims he has never felt better:

[The raw meat diet] was started by a dentist named Weston Price who in the 1930s studied the health benefits of eating more raw foods, including meats. He studied the Native Americans and a few of them who lived on a guts-and-grease diet. He found people in primitive communities were much healthier than we are today.

I had a couple of goats in my yard, so I slaughtered them. I ate both of those goats, all raw, and just switched over like that. After the first week, I felt absolutely great, and I never went back.

The organ meat of the animal actually contains vitamin C. So I just eat the organ meat and the connective tissue and everything else. [I] also eat rotten meat. It’s a probiotic.

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  • Alan Morse Davies

    A fad diet currently endorsed by one person with the only scientific evidence provided based on Native Americans in the 1930s?

    Sure! Sign me up. There are no food-related genetic adaptations in different human populations… atall. One size fits all… hurrah!

    I need to find some goats. Goats anyone?

    I’ll let them rot for a while in order to be pro-biotic, I guess the idea is that the bacteria in rotting meat become bacterial colonies in the intestines that allow you to better process rotting meat. None of these bacteria can kill you, they’re natural and just want to bond with you, bacteria are our natural friends!

    If we can only open our minds and mouths, we can be made more healthy by listeria, salmonella and all of our other bacterial friends.

    I mean how many people can not have benefited from the pro-biotic effect of the bacteria that cause anthrax, tetanus, typhoid, diptheria, cholera, syphilis, chlamydia, leprosy and tuberculosis?

    They all came out winners and much healthier than we are now, I’m sold.

    I really need those goats now… anyone?

    • marshall

      I know this article sounds sort of ridiculous, but check out Ellie Metchnikoff, he studied some interesting effects of probiotics in the late 19th to early 20th centuries.

    • Dan Muench

      It’s no more ridiculous than the vegan, raw, fruitarian, etc diets I’ve seen and the ‘logic’ behind them.

      BTW, you do realize it takes more to truly criticize something than just sarcastically repeating what was in the article, correct? You sound like a dumbass.

      We let cheese ‘rot’ beer ‘rot’ wine ‘rot’ distill spirits from ‘rotten’ grains kimchi ‘rot’ fish sauce ‘rot’ yogurt ‘rot’ and most of those DO have probiotic benefits.

      I don’t see many vegans talking about how unnatural a grain diet is, that we’re pretty much the only animals that eat wheat for instance. Why? It has compounds that act as opioids do upon your system, making you slow, sedentary, and sleepy – easy prey. Also, eaten in it’s raw/wild state, it’s poisonous, as are, for instance, almonds – a staple of every ‘food nut’ I know of.

      There are also these things called ‘vaccines’. Try looking that up – seems that if one wants immunity from a given pathogen, exposure, not the opposite, is what gives it to you.

      Your gut is full of bacteria. As is your skin. And yes, many of these are beneficent to you and your health, Mr. Hughes.

      There are things that are – get this – counterintuitive. If everything that ‘worked’ ‘just made sense’ then we wouldn’t need to ‘figure things out’ and we’d just let some sarcastic jackass on the net that thinks that some snarky shithead response is A) smart or B) cutting edge behavior.

      Honestly, you sound like every stuck up vegan I ever met who doesn’t get enough protein.

      Please do tell me something you do ACTUALLY know instead of inferring some kind of vague superior argument with your immature snottiness. Speaking of Native Americans, that lack of exposure to pathogens sure worked out well for THEIR long term survival, didn’t it? BTW, eating like this has 100s of thousands of years of proof of concept – how long has your ‘fad’ diet been around? Oh, and by the way, we’re the only carnivore in the known universe that cooks it’s kill, and we somehow haven’t seen all of them die off.

      See that? That weird thing? That’s evidence. Get acquainted with the concept.

      BTW, the risk in being snarky on the internet? Someone smarter and better at it than you might show up and make you look like a mongoloid idiot.

      See? That’s two things you’ve learned today! What a smart boy you are!

      • Ted Heistman

        Historically various arctic explorers have lived with Eskimos and done quite well on the diet. Now that most of the eskimos have adopted the western diet that have all the same problems other North Americans do, whereas once they enjoyed perfect teeth and strong bone structure and muscle tone.

        Weston A Price found that all indigenous diets include some type of raw fat, whether it was milk or cheese, or grubs or something like that. Raw fat seems to be a key missing ingredient in the western diet. that is the idea behind raw milk.

        • リカルド 忍者の心

          That’s a very interesting thing to ponder. There’s a lot of research being made on the impact that animal protein consumption has in human health, but the only stuff I can hear about animal fat is always about cholesterol or omega 3.

          Sheep fat has been known for ages to be medicinal. Fat from amazonian eletric fish has also been used as medicine for more than a thousand years.

          No, I don’t agree with the sufferfull way that meat industry grows animals to slaughter them with no misery. But sheep, and other animals, have to exist, and they will die someday. Have anyone found something better for a guitar nut than a piece of bone? And what can I use to substitute the goat leather in a traditional tribal drum set?

          In spite of being vegan nowadays, I have the conviction, which I acquired through observation and self experience, that the best source of protein for humans are insects (I just don’t have it in my diet because I was grown up in a culture where eating it is seen as deeply disgusting).

          When will humanity stop thinking by their senses and start thinking by their brain?

          • Ted Heistman

            I’ve eaten ants before. Not bad. The big ones tatste like pickles.

            I considered eating grass hoppers this summer but fed them to the chickens instead.

          • kowalityjesus

            I read a book once about Africa just before colonization “Things Fall Apart.” There was a point in the story where the locusts came, and I thought they would run and panic and pray for deliverance. But no, they went and grabbed baskets and collected them because they’re a delicacy. I have never brought myself to eat one, although I too have enjoyed ants and can say that carpenter ants taste very tart. : )

          • jnana

            careful about grasshoppers. I believe there’s some kinda parasite that has to be taken out of their abdomen first. or perhaps you have to pull off the head. im not sure, but i’d research it first if I were you

          • Dan Muench

            From a spiritual standpoint, we’re all ‘the same’. Same ‘stuff’. We all shall have time ‘here’ for a longer or shorter period of time and then ‘die’ or ‘leave’. We leave behind a body. If other ‘mes’ can use that body, go ahead. It’ll happen anyway – bacteria will eat away the most remote and un-fucked-with corpse eventually. So in my view eating animals – in as least an ‘evil’ manner as possible – doesn’t have the connotations it might have for others. In context of my current life, I have no idea that buying veggies that might be stripping topsoil is actually better than getting my calories from meat of a questionable moral background – if I had access to more choices, I’d choose animals raised and slaughtered in a moral fashion. I’m a big dog lover and anyone who can’t see a soul and consciousness in my dog, for instance, is a bit beyond me, but in any case, as lovely as she is, she’ll be parting company with me one day, and I will follow at some point. Death isn’t unnatural, attaching unimportant attributes to the process is, though.

            I don’t condone factory farming – neither does the man in the article – but for a LONG time we raised and slaughtered animals for food with little more ‘damage’ than might be inflicted in the wild. Where, drum roll, they’d be eaten. As little as 50-60 years ago Factory Farms really didn’t exist – and supposedly yields were greater before the ‘green revolution’ anyway. Couldn’t we go back? Wouldn’t some people eschewing meat and the rest cutting back a bit be fine enough, or at least, a good position in a temporary fashion while we figure out what we’re actually supposed to eat?

            I recall hearing that milkfat decalcifies the Pineal Gland. Whether it does or not, I wonder about how, if you look at Hot Rod meets from the 50′s, you see NO FAT PEOPLE. AT ALL. And their diet was supposedly ‘atrocious’, but you see people exploding nowadays – fat free this, sugar free that. Full fat milk, burger for lunch (probably with a beer!), cream and sugar in the coffee – yet not a fat ass in sight. Yet, we’re told nonfat is ‘healthy’ just like ‘nutrasweet helps you lose weight’, right?

            Think about this: go to Whole Foods and try to find Whole Milk Yogurt. Out of all their varieties only ONE was last time I shopped – Brown Cow. Used to be Stonyfield Farm, too. Every other variety is low or no fat. MOST milk products available these days are nonfat or low fat.

            It’s worse most other, more typical stores. Even the Greek yogurts are mostly non or low fat.

            Might be a correlation – doesn’t seem like ‘the powers that be’, whomever they are, would be all that interested in our Third Eye working correctly, and does society seem to be getting more ‘in tune’ as a whole, or ‘out of whack’, since WWII?

            I don’t like ‘bashing’ vegans, but much like yoga practitioners – if indeed they’re being taught correctly, another factor – go to LA and see how many super-ego, unconscious people are vegan/yoga and one wants to say, ‘well, if THAT is Enlightenment, call me Vulgar any day.’ I notice a certain ‘stoner-ness’ about the vegans, too. Vegetarians not so much – cheese, eggs, milk, etc are all there to fill in gaps. Vegans honestly seem like they’re in a starvation haze to me most of the time. Fruitarians are probably the worst – two friends of mine did that, VERY similar behavior.

            And man, I’m an acid eating, pot smoking, down-with-anything-weird freak. I’m not just reacting to something ‘abnormal’ or ‘out of the ordinary’ – as a matter of fact I’m usually ATTRACTED to such actions/ideas. I lived for awhile as a vegetarian and occasional vegan, and I don’t like it. My physiology might be different and have different requirements as well – it’d probably be ludicrous to someone, reading this, if they had lactose intolerance, but the idea that my body might NEED animal proteins and fats doesn’t seem to get the same credence in those circles.

            Remember, while Plato is oft quoted as ‘promoting Vegetarianism’, think of the context in which he did so – in The Republic, as a means of controlling the Plebs and keeping them in a receptive, ‘just go with the flow’ state. They won’t starve to death and will probably feel just fine, but to another person their ‘affectedness’ is obvious in a way that it won’t be to them, perhaps because many or most people find self reflection a hard thing to pull off.

            I’ve juice fasted before, and while I enjoyed it partially, it made work quite hard and slowed my thoughts quite a bit – I even laid my bike down at a low speed because I simply did something I normally would have had the sense not to.

            Not to say it’s a ‘smoking gun’ but it is a counterpoint. If I were making life changing decisions, counterpoints are welcome, even if I end up sticking with my original direction, it’s good to ‘shock test’ your theories.

            Frankly I think whole milk (one can get Cream Top/Unhomogenized milk without it being raw most places that have health food – Trader Joe’s, Whole Fist, others I’d imagine) is a great food, and think about it – tastes great, right, especially that cream? Well, ask someone who spent time as a castaway – fish eyes would seem delectable. Why? They were the only source of fresh water in the ocean, and your body ‘craves’ what it needs. Same as a pregnant woman has ‘weird cravings’ that later seem inexplicable to her even – pickles and ice cream, I wanted that, what? Probably needed something in it for the baby.

            The ‘only idiots would drink something from another animal’s teat’ argument doesn’t hold much water for me, either – dogs do it. Other animals would, likely, too, but we have the advantage of domesticated cattle. Ever try to milk a Water Buffalo? Wild cattle are pretty vicious. Not a lot of opportunity for milk collection for the average wild animal. Funny thing is, they don’t go into space or drive cars on the highway, either, guess we should stop that.

            Last point on the milk thing – Norse, Germans, Huns, Romans, English, Dutch, Greeks, Spaniards, Portuguese, Mongols – all dairy eaters. All also conquered almost all of the world amongst themselves – name anywhere they haven’t been. Much of the above is STILL a rather dominant power base in the world today.

            The conquered? Were going ‘who in the fuck would eat milk from another anim- OW OW OW STOP KILLING ME.’

            For anyone with any viewpoint out there – if someone was given their viewpoint that opposes yours, and they’re deluded and unaware of the fact – are they the only one in the room with such a condition? I’m not saying eating McD’s for every meal is the answer, but I’m seeing few answers in the ‘let’s freak out about every single aspect of our diet’ crowd either.

            One should allow for the possibility of being wrong. I’m not about to go start this guy’s diet, above, but I supplement my ‘typical’ foods with carrot juice, berry smoothies, kombucha, etc. If it’s good, it’s good, is my mode of thinking, and as a poor guy who doesn’t get to eat what/how often he’d want, I wish I was in the position to turn down food because it’s not moral enough for me.

            Those ‘no animal products’ folks? They also have the advantage of being able to take their ‘moral high ground’ about five seconds in evolutionary time past the point where we’d actually managed to replace such materials as fur, wool, and leather. Had their forebears been so uptight, well, it’d be a little quieter around here, that’s for sure :D.

            Thinking with their brain? Well, one must use what you have – your instincts AND your reason. Smart people are fooled every day – pick your particular example, I personally like the idea of the JPL guys playing with ‘Cosmic Erector Sets’ while (some theorize) we have much more advanced craft in the black ops section of the building, and perhaps more on Mars than just a rover or two. I’m not saying that’s a reality but it works as an analogy – I have a friend who works at JPL and there are NOT a lot of dumb people there. Socially awkward, maybe, but not lacking in intelligence. Are they playing with the ‘big boy toys’? Most people would say no. Awareness and Intelligence aren’t the same thing.

            Intelligence is the motor, application is the tires – you can have all the power you want (intellect) but it means little if the tires can’t turn it into traction and forward motion (application). Maybe people have fine brains, they were just not trained to use them – to ‘drive’ so to speak.

            Or to see the context in which someone just as smart, or less so, in an advantageous position or with knowledge unavailable to the victim, could manipulate them DESPITE their grand intellect – rev up your motor all you want, it’s pretty useless if someone slashes your tires.

            And with that, I end another internet conversation that solves exactly nothing, but I hope it was mildly entertaining…

      • リカルド 忍者の心

        How much arrogancy to justify your meat addiction, Dan! I’ve been eating raw germinated wheat everyday for years and I didn’t get poisoned, slower, sedentary or sleepy. On the other hand, all of my relatives get sleepy after eating a barbecue!

        Vegan diet is so ridiculous that ONU has twice said that it is the most sustainable diet and the solution for food production in a overpopulated world.

        And what is so ridiculous about the logic of not cooking your vegetables in order to preserve better its nutrients?

        There’s a lot of scientifical studies made by serious and respected researchers that concluded that animal protein consumption is not healthy, and some of them were made by researchers who wasn’t vegan. If you’d like to check it out, I can give you names and links, just contact me on my facebook account (which I’m using to post here).

        I really would like to see some serious scientific evidence that raw wheat is poisonous, is there any?

        And, to finish, may I use your own words? Please do tell me something you do ACTUALLY know instead of inferring some kind of vague superior argument with your immature snottiness.

        • リカルド 忍者の心

          Sorry folks, ONU is UN in english (I don’t write in english that often).

          • Alan Morse Davies

            Look despite my dismissive tone, I do think the physiological effects of human nutrition are one of the least understood areas of scientific study, yet also subject to an inversely large number of wonderous claims.

            Even those with a basis in science are often made based on studies that only look at top line data for a specific food and often fail to consider the effect of interractions with other foods or that there may be genetic adaptations in different human populations as a result of diet that could affect the outcome.

            Because of the relatively small amount of science and the almost weekly announcement of some new wonder food or diet, usually accompanied by a little understood word (“probiotic” for example). I think it’s not unreasonable to ask that claims be properly substantiated.

            Another great marketing ploy is to link what you’re selling to some kind of ancient wisdom or peoples and suggest that your product is part of returning to a simpler, more healthy time.

            Most of these claims are more about selling something and less about genuine human benefit.

            Sorry if I’ve upset anyone. I took a humorous approach because I found the article quite funny. Even the article itself is pitched more like a Ripley’s Believe it or Not factoid and less like proper reportage.

            I’m not saying the proposed diet does not work, I’m just saying the claims made about it lack evidence, so I call bullshit for the claims, as should we all I think.

            If it can be proved to work, great, I have no problem with that.

            I still won’t regret questioning the original claims.

            If you claim it, prove it.

          • Dan Muench

            Indeed, Alan. I see, for example, my fruitarian friends quoting a certain doctor – they even post photos of him going ‘we love you Dr Soandso!’, weird cultish behavior really – and the guy has books, DVDs, websites generating advertising dollars, etc all making him money. IE, Motive.

            The Doctor who gave me antibiotics earlier this year is probably a ‘demon’ in many eyes because modern medicine = bad, yet I’d not be here otherwise – blood poisoning is one of those things you don’t go to an herbalist for. Not a big modern medicine fan, but at the same time, judicious application, and if my health is affected, you know else would’ve affected it? DYING!!!

            That doc, who saved my life, is suspect, but a doctor produced by the very same system that claims some wonder cure is beyond suspicion? Have we not heard of the snake oil salesman before?

            Another instance – the ‘water patterns’ guy. Oh, I think bad thoughts and the water reacts into ugly patterns, good thoughts and it’s a mandala. We’ve all seen it, right? Shared it on facebook like it was the light of the world, correct? “Look at this, and wonder!”

            YET, it’s total bullshit and hasn’t been duplicated by anyone who has tried. Not EVERYTHING that seems ‘too weird to be true, so it must be true’ is. Just because some things are that way, doesn’t mean everything widely accepted is a grand conspiracy and anyone saying something different is to be automatically canonized as a saint/revolutionary.

            If it were that easy, I’m sure we’d have it all figured out by now.

            It’s funny, we come to a site that’s all about questioning authority and thinking for ourselves, and half of us – at least – just sit in front of a TV screen (hooked up to the internet, big diff), have some ‘authority’ tell us ‘how it is’ and then uncritically parrot what the authority told us. Just like the Goth Kids from South Park – why aren’t you conforming to my nonconformity? Fascist!

            Of all the people I’ve come across Robert Anton Wilson comes closest to ‘real’ for me – Maybe Logic, E Prime, the whole nine. Uncritically parroting anything that comes across the ‘weird news’ feed without even so much as googling around for five minutes looking for a similar or dissenting opinion isn’t exactly intelligent or helpful to the race at large.

            I won a grand in a bet vs. my JPL skeptic buddy because he thought I was a ‘conspiracy loon’ and bet he could find a photo of a plane hitting the Pentagon on 9/11 within 45 minutes on google. Doesn’t mean I was right about anything else because I caught him out, and while I enjoyed the cash and the win, it’s not like it guarantees that every position I might temporarily take up is solid. Even in that instance, I won not because I proved 9/11 is a coverup , but because he couldn’t produce the proof he’d bet he could. Nothing was ‘proven’, other than maybe you should think twice about betting G notes with a guy who suddenly developed a Cheshire Cat grin on his face!

            Diet = chemistry. If you think chemistry is simple, realize that if you had two cups – one filled with H20, one with H202 – and you mixed them up, and thought, hey, it’s just an extra oxygen atom…hell, they both even LOOK like water…agonizing death ensues if you drink the wrong one. That’s one extra atom in a very simple molecule. You eat anything once alive, you’re eating DNA, mDNA, anything in the body of the being you’re eating, plant, animal, or fungus. It’s not just protein with a splash of Vitamin A, and even that isn’t exactly very simple chemistry.

            Another analogy is building a car – if you put 20 hop-up parts on at once, and the car got faster, well, which one did it? Were some of the parts useless or even detrimental over the stock setup? All of the mods affect the whole system and the other mods. If so for a relatively simple (vs the human body) mechanism/system like a car, how much more so for someone eating a meal comprised of many different complex compounds interacting with a billion year old genome unique to that person? I love milk, peanuts, shellfish – these are toxic to other people that might look just like me, within the same basic ethnic group. My own family, even. Hell, I’m allergic to Penicillin and Cats – no one else in my family was. They also have allergies I don’t – yet we’re as close genetically and environmentally as you could get! How much more so for people from varied backgrounds and parts of the world.

            i’ve yet to see a one-size-fits-all solution to just about ANYTHING – why should our diet be different? Think about how many bicycle shapes there are – it’s still just a seat with tubes, wheels, a crank and a chain attached. 9 billion different designs for the same thing, but your diet is perfect for me, right?

            Complex things? They’re complex. They should be treated as such, no?

            My phrase to sum up is ‘The Things You Don’t Know Could Fill A Universe.’

            Now, for me to just follow my own hifalutin advice…;-)

          • Alan Morse Davies

            I love you.

      • Andrew

        Actually, I was thinking this is exactly as ridiculous as a fruitarian diet.

    • Bluebird_of_Fastidiousness

      While traveling up the Amazon, it was inevitable that my gut flora was going to change. I had trouble describing the process to an indigenous friend how the water he drank everyday made me feel unwell. He was in good condition, probably better than mine. But his immune system had adapted from the time he got his mother’s colostrum. I was raised on a municipally chlorinated, fluoride enforced slurry, and was entirely unprepared for the diversity inoculating my guts.

      There are myriad food paths around the world, some exist simultaneously for many people within a geographical area. Such people are fortunate to have choices. I’ll continue to cook my sustainably raised, locally produced, and ethically slaughtered meat for now. Okay, maybe I’ll have a rare steak because of this article, but you can pry my grilled sweet corn from my cold, dead hands.

  • Cortacespedes

    That goats head in the fridge thing, sold me.

    • Dan Muench

      If your date sees that and stays, they’re the one.

      • Cortacespedes

        I actually, really do have a story about “date night” and an animal head.

        Weird.

        This site is like Proust, just dredging up all manner of thing from my memory.

  • goatonastick

    monsters

    • $73036412

      Well fed monsters.

      • Mikala Romans

        This was the wrong story for me to click on :p I’ll just stick with grilled rainbow trout for dinner.

      • Mikala Romans

        Speaking of, I have some cedar planks. Have you ever done trout on the bbq on the planks? Not sure if that would be good or not?

        • $73036412

          I don’t eat trout at all, and only eat salmon if smoked. We have planked pickeral, but a long time ago.

          • Mikala Romans

            I skipped the planking just in case and went with grilled with some red peppers and feta that I had soaking in some olive oil with rosemary from my garden last year.
            Yummy, yummy!

          • $73036412

            http://getoffmyinternets.net/
            Here’s your daily chuckle about Hugo. There’s a couple posts about him.

  • DeepCough

    Well, so long as he’s eating organic meat, I see no problem.

  • kowalityjesus

    This reminds me of the story of European explorers who died from eating the first polar bear on record (was it John Davis’ voyage?). Sailors that ate the liver died of hypervitamintoses of vitamin E. Who would have thought that mammals are poisonous?

    By the way, do these people have any guilt over their carbon footprint? We may eventually have to kill the people that don’t care about the environment, a la the antagonists of Clancy’s Rainbow 6.

    • wcarver

      Actually it was avitaminosis Vitamin A is toxic in large dosage and Polar Bear liver stores huge quantities of of vitamin A. Eating the liver of a Polar Bear can be lethal.

      • kowalityjesus

        aye, cap’n! thanx for setting the record straight!

    • Dan Muench

      I love the ‘we should kill off the people who don’t care about the environment’ crowd. Any chance the Carbon Tax is an elite scam? It’s being pushed by the Rockefellers after all.

      You never seem to hear ‘I volunteer!’ after someone suggests culling the population for the ‘good of the planet’. It’s always volunteering someone else’s life for the human sacrifice.

      If there’s anything ‘Satanic’ that would fit my personal litmus test.

      Wanna help the planet and lower the population? Hint: you wanna go up the road, not across the street…

  • The Well Dressed Man

    Owsley Stanley claimed to have survived on a purely carnivorous diet from 1959 to 2011.

    • Cortacespedes

      Oh damn, yeah, that’s totally true. I remember reading an article about him years ago. It said that even while incarcerated, Owsley insisted on a steady diet of flank steak. When they tried to feed him a vegetable, he accused the staff of trying to poison him.

      I think he also had a real taste for raw oysters as well.

  • Haystack

    Is Derek Nance, by any chance, a zombie?

  • wcarver

    One of the great leaps forward in human brain development was the advent of cooked meat which was far more digestible (and nutritional) than raw meat and allowed for growth of the brain and intellect. Even today without digestible essential proteins brain development is retarded.
    I enjoy a little steak tartar from time to time but I ain’t eating a raw goat

    • Andrew

      So we figured out how to cook and prepare meat without a fully developed brain?

      • kowalityjesus

        It probably happened coincidentally, and very quickly after Prometheus started getting his liver eaten.

      • Dan Muench

        No. Our modern brain was not fully developed when humans began cooking. Brain researchers have even come to the conclusion that our modern brain has evolved within our particular species in the last 1000-2000 years. See Gary Lachman’s “A Secret History of Consciousness”.

        Perhaps, in lieu of your regimen of snarky internet comments, you might look at the history of man’s evolution – Homo Sapiens Sapiens is not Cro-Magnon or Neanderthal or earlier types, otherwise we wouldn’t have needed to distinguish one from another with formally different names.

        And, obviously, we’d have been evolving the time before our harnessing of fire came about – we don’t need fire either, it just produces toxic gases and particulates and no benefits whatsoever. What, we learned how to use fire without a modern brain? Fire isn’t a pure benefit, so we should not be savages and do without it. Because so many things in real life are purely beneficent.

        That’s like saying the first carnivore couldn’t have evolved to eat meat without already being a meat eater.

        Also, in evolutionary terms, if cooking was so bad, wouldn’t the non-cooking societies have leapfrogged over the poor nutritionally deficient cookers and dominated history? Or at least made the slightest mark? Funnily enough, here we are – every single one of us the descendants of omnivores. Your mom was vegan? How about Granny and Gramps?

        Speaking of arboreal societies, did ANY of them follow a vegan, raw diet? If so, they’re certainly not the majority. As for the Inuit, I suppose they were supposed to forage for berries in the middle of an Alaskan winter? Tuareg peoples should surely forage enough vegetable matter to sustain a village off of the abundant Sahara.

        Meat, baaaaaaaaaad!!!

        If you don’t believe food processing and cooking have digestive benefits, I’ll simply give you the three forearm sized horse carrots the local juice bar goes through making me a 16oz glass of carrot juice and just watch you plow through that, get all the extra nutrition, and spend no time at all digesting the whole mess. Because eating three horse carrots is just as easy as drinking the juice. Eating a bowl of raw broccoli is just as easy as steamed or boiled, right?

        Digestion, too? Picture having to eat those same carrots cooked. Way easier. What’s your stomach going to do again? Oh, yeah, break the food down so the nutrition can be extracted – breaking it down via heat is just going to ruin that process. And lawdy knows, dogs will go around eating horse or cow droppings because, with their multiple stomachs evolved solely for processing raw vegetable matter, they leave NOTHING nutritious at all behind – which is why the dog is eating shit, right, because it’s just refuse and waste.

        Digestive systems are so efficient, as a matter of fact, that it’s not like many varieties of plants, or their seeds rather, have evolved to germinate only after they’ve passed through the gut of an animal? Because we’re going to get ALL of the nutrition. Because RAW. And these aren’t Omnivorous beings, either, like we are – nope, completely dedicated to the raw vegan thing, and still are passing most of the nutrition you’re so worried about straight out their ass – as are you. Despite the fact that their tracts have evolved to process nothing but plant matter.

        Of course, we’ll never need to preserve food, either, because we’re all – every person on planet earth – in the same position raw vegan yuppies are to devote ridiculous amounts of time to eating something that, to be honest, probably produces no ascertainable benefits over just getting up and exercising with a non-raw diet. You wouldn’t even BE here to be snarky without cooking and preservation.

        Go find me the super genius strain of super fit humans that never ate meat or cooked anything. I’ll go grab a unicorn and meet you back here…

        • Andrew

          Jesus Christ, I must’ve hit a nerve! Listen, if you can’t decide whether I was arguing against meat or arguing against cooking, just ask for a clarification rather than spewing from all possible angles.

          As a matter of fact, I was not arguing against either. I’m not a vegan, nor do I eat only raw food. I merely expressed skepticism of the idea that a meat diet caused the development of the human brain. I’ll look into that book you recommended, but Göbekli Tepe suggests to me that the human brain is older than 2000 years, and the human mouth and digestive system suggests to me that our ancestors ate more insects than raw game.

  • jay_diggity

    well it may be due to the many toxins people eat that were not as healthy. like flouride, aspartame, high fructose corn syrup and gmo food. im sure the radiation from fukishima doesnt help. were being bombarded with toxins by the eugnenicists since birth bathing in every day

    • Dan Muench

      Right. I mean, these are factors that need consideration – any of these test subjects not ingesting a bunch of industrial by-products passed off as coloring, preservatives, etc? If not…

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