Native American Man to Anti-Illegal Immigration Protesters: ‘You’re All Fucking Illegal!’

The truth clearly has the power to break up a crowd of incognizant Arizona Sand Cutters. I gotta give it to this man, that is a bold and courageous stand he took.

via mediaITE

 

New video shows a Native American man tearing into anti-illegal immigration protesters at an undated Arizona rally, scolding them for being the “real illegals” due to the history of Europeans stealing native lands after arriving upon the American continent.

“You’re all fucking illegal! You’re all illegal,” the man, pushing a baby stroller, is seen screaming at the protesters. “We didn’t invite none of you here. We’re the only native Americans here!” he continued.

The unidentified man continued to berate the protesters, who seemed uninterested in engaging him as they began to walk away.

“Get on with your bogus arguments,” he yelled. “We’re the only legal ones here!”

He then pointed to one of the anti-immigration signs (not clearly seen on-camera): “Yeah, we should have put that sign up when you son-of-a-bitches came! That represents blood spilled by Native Americans protecting this land from invaders!”

“Yeah, that’s right. You don’t want to hear the goddamn truth!” he continued as the crowd moved away from him. “Get on, bitch! That’s what that flag stands for. All the Native Americans you killed to plant your houses here. That’s the truth. That’s the truth.”

 

 

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  • oneironauticus

    Fuck yeah, man!

  • BuzzCoastin

    it has long amused me that a kuntery that stole it’s land
    while being “illegal aliens”
    would somehow think that other illegal aliens
    (mostly the dark skinned kind)
    are somehow different and must be deported
    from the land the stole from the American Indians

    • Simon Valentine

      it’s almost like one could follow “where the wrong went” by following “stories of where the god went”, only to realize the bipolar egomaniac enigma never had anything to do with humanity or survival.

      Uncle Deckard theorized that the demon lords leave demons in their wake, much like us leaving footprints.

  • echar

    This dude is my hero of the week.

    • jasonpaulhayes

      Fighting Terrorism since 1492

  • EpicFail

    The real homeland security, bro

  • warwick

    and he’s right…and if you don’t want what happened to the native americans to happen to current americans…we had better deal with the problem NOW….

    • Adam’s Shadow

      You have absolutely no concept of irony, do you?

    • Dingbert

      Reconquista, amigo.

  • Chris Diablo

    Not that I don’t recognize or try to understand the ethics/machinations of technological conquest and the subsequent people protectionism by the bottom tier of dominator culture… as a human I just enjoy this sort of shit. Choosing a team. Go redbrownskins, go! Indignant indigenous potty-mouthed carriage pushers rock.

    • Ted Heistman

      This comment will become spam 10…9…8…7…6…

      • Rx Relaxation

        I tried to post it under one name and I guess I wasn’t patient enough with the moderator godhead, so I posted it again. Twice isn’t spam, but seeing as my MPD only includes two at this point, three would be worrisome.

  • Rx Relaxation

    Not that I don’t recognize or try to understand the ethics/machinations of technological conquest and the subsequent people protectionism by the bottom tier of dominator culture… as a human I just enjoy this sort of shit. Choosing a team. Go redbrownskins, go! Indignant indigenous potty-mouthed carriage pushers rock.

  • InfvoCuernos

    Too little too late. Maybe if this latest wave of illegal immigrants could figure out how to draft up a treaty and then outsmart the current tribe holding the land, maybe we’ll all be speaking Spanish. Remember, Cortez was a lawyer before he was a conquistador.

  • Haystack

    It’s also worth remembering that Arizona was originally part of Mexico, ceded to the US at the end of the Mexican-American war. Immigration = bad. Conquest = good.

    • oneironauticus

      I think you’ve just reasoned an argument for arming border-hoppers!

      As an aside, I’ve always wondered how easy it would be for someone to try to illegally cross in the other direction…more? Less?

  • Tuna Ghost

    My favorite comment from another site hosting this video–when a woman yells from the crowd “I’m one-eighth cherokee!” someone replied “no, you’re seven-eighths invader”

    • oneironauticus

      Seriously. Who doesn’t have some great-great-grandmother (who was probably raped, btw–history isn’t nice) who was Native?

      If you don’t live the culture, if you don’t either live on “the Rez” or have close relatives who do, you really don’t have a right to claim it beyond your personal, private connection to your ancestors.

      EDIT: I honestly don’t understand why that was down-voted. The only people I can imagine being upset over my statement are mostly-white hipsters who get sad when I tell them their fashion is a fail for wearing a feather head-dress or whatever (by the way, when is this hipster-style-vampire-suck-the-blood-out-of-every-thing going to stop?), and them replying “but I’m allowed to because I’m 1/16th blah-blah-blah”…

      If you want to wear it, fucking wear it, but don’t try to tell me you have some blood right, moron. Have you ever noticed that no one ever says this kind of shit when a white girl tries to wear a Mandarin-collared dress or a kimono or something?

      I still think it’s stupid and tacky if you’re not actually wearing it for a reason. That’s a fashion judgment, not a politically correct statement. I also think it’s stupid and tacky to wear a 10 gallon hat and spurs unless you actually round up cattle as your literal job.

    • Sean

      So….she’s a-OK because her great-great-great-great grandfather raped a Native American woman?
      Neat.

  • Ted Heistman

    I’ve worked with a lot of Mexicans over the years. I don’t find any of the things the anti-immigration crowd says about them to be true. I mean at the risk of generalizing, they work harder and have less workplace drama than the white dudes and black dudes on the same crews. I think its probably because a lot of them grew up on Farms, unlike most Americans today.

    This guy was obviously trying to make a valid point, but its actually not in keeping with the great Law of Peace that all Europeans need to go back to Europe. A lot of white people think that is what the Native American view is but its not.

    “Roots have spread out from the Tree of Great Peace: one to the north,
    one to the east, one to the south and one to the west. These are the
    Great White Roots and their nature is Peace and Strength.
    If any man or any nation outside of the Five Nations shall obey the laws
    of the Great Peace (Gayanerekowa) and shall make this known to the
    statesmen of the League, they may trace back the roots to
    the Tree. If their minds are clean and if they are obedient and promise
    to obey the wishes of the Council of the League, they shall be welcomed
    to take shelter beneath the Tree of the Long
    Leaves.”

    http://www.ganienkeh.net/thelaw.html

    • oneironauticus

      “A lot of white people think that is what the Native American view is but its not.”

      LOL, WUT?

      There is only one Native American view?? Your link only refers to the Five Nations of the Iroquois confederacy, after all…

      You are aware that the Natives of Arizona had NOTHING to do with the “Law of Peace”, right?

      You just said something as goofy as “this Nepalese guy was obviously trying to make a valid point, but its actually not in keeping with the Japanese Instrument of Surrender”.

  • jnana

    I got this patch a while back.

    • Ted Heistman

      Beyond illiciting a chuckle, what is the goal of that statement? Do you really think all white people should go back to Europe or the UK? I think many Native Americans of the First Nations would simply like whites and other immigrants to follow the laws of the land established by the first inhabitants here.

      • jnana

        yeh, I don’t think it means that native Americans should deport everyone else. I think it means that people who think we should deport “illegal” immigrants should think twice about what they’re saying. like “do unto others as you would have others do unto you”

        • Ted Heistman

          The Mohawks are doing a lot of things to take back their land and reestablish their lost way of life in NY state. I have been brainstorming about a way to form an alliance with them some how. What if a bunch of whites decided to try to honor treaties even if they couldn’t get the government to agree? This has been on my mind

          • jnana

            Yeah, its kinda a hippy cliché, but hope for the future may rest with the indigenous of the world, who still have a strong continuity of tradition. Modern progressives and neocons alike are hoping in unknown prospective technologies. While the indigenous have wisdom handed to them from their elders, who got it from their elders, ad infinitum. The belief that the ancients were ignorant leads many to renounce the wisdom of elders. Im not implying that our ancestors were exactly omniscient and we should only accept what they taught and ignore everything we’ve learned since then, but I definitely think we should NOT break our links to the wisdom of the past. It is a real shame we have, as a (mono)culture, forgotten our ancestors and their teachings, and I, for one, aim to keep the connection alive. Their are a few “groups” who seem to be doing this, too. The small farm movement is one. The American Indigenous(from North, Central and South America) are another. Rainbow Family and modern nomads and hobos are another. Despite my disagreements with them, I could even add(with reservations) such groups as the more conservative Patriots and Libertarian types who are keeping the link to American colonists and “founding fathers” alive. (although they may actually represent the break from continuity of tradition w/ their “Enlightenment” ethos and arrogance)

          • Ted Heistman

            Yeah I agree with much of what you said there. That Polyface Farm guy is one of the Libertarian types I would include in there.

          • jnana

            yeh, I was a bit prejudiced against the conservative types for a bit, until I worked at a farm run by a conservative Xian FOX news type family. Sure, I may have had some ideological disagreements but I realized how much they agree about the values of personal liberty and taking care of the earth. Even about such things as marijuana, which I was surprised that they believed shouldn’t be illegal(although they didn’t partake)

          • Ted Heistman

            Yeah, I think getting in nasty arguments about various ideological sacred cows is a big waste of time. I know exactly what you mean. People often have more in common than they think.

        • Taan Maat

          But, no. The Indians didn’t have a civilization, they had singular, granular societies. The United States is an established country with clearly articulated laws. If you want to come to the United States, do it the right way please. There was no right way back then, might made right.

          • Ted Heistman

            That’s not entirely true. There was no monolithic political entity that previously occupied the territory known as the United States. But many Indian Nations have very sophisticated constitutional governments. “Might Makes Right” was not the law of the land.

          • Taan Maat

            But it was, horses and guns made the power more than wampum and powows

          • Ted Heistman

            Actually it was women. They elected the Chiefs and owned the tipis and longhouses.

          • Taan Maat

            And when they needed to defend themselves, they wanted to expand or they felt they had to destroy and assimilate other tribes this fell upon the shoulders of men on horses with firearms.

          • Ted Heistman

            Not really. Most tribes had both a War Chief and a Piece Chief and tried to solve most disputes with diplomacy first/

          • eyebeam

            Indian tribes could be, and often were, brutally hostile to other tribes, it is true. But it is also true that the colonial powers, and later the United States, made treaties with these tribes, often supplying weapons and goods in exchange for alliance against another Indian tribe. Then, when colonists flooded into the area, the Indian tribes would be removed, or exterminated. The Cherokee Nation was a civilized tribe that formed a government patterned after that of the United States, and their territory was established by the Treaty of Holston. But when whites wanted to take their land to mine gold, Andrew Jackson had the Cherokee removed to Oklahoma.

          • jnana

            you say might makes right, when its somebody else being conquered. but you wouldn’t be saying that’s ok should someone use their might against you to take yer property and kill yer family.
            who r u to determine what is a civilization? and why does that matter? that wouldn’t justify slaughtering people, taking their land and destroying their livelihood(the buffalo), then forcing them to live a disgusting way of life.
            if you truly believe that way, you are entirely ignorant and will reap what you sow.

          • oneironauticus

            “The United States is an established country with clearly articulated laws.”

            You mean…a “really big tribe”? Why don’t people in this “tribe”/”civilization” treat each other like members of a common civilization?

            The day I see all Americans acting like all other Americans are also valid Americans will be the day your comment is worth more than a rat’s ass.

            “There was no right way back then, might made right.”

            I don’t think you paid much attention in your History classes…

          • eyebeam

            The various Indian tribes were recognized as Nations and many had treaties with the United States, most of which were broken, not by the Indians.

  • Ted Heistman

    I guess I can’t figure out the smug self hatred of liberal whites. Not that I don’t think this minuteman stuff is dumb. I really do, even discounting humans, I would like to see more jaguars wandering into Arizona. I think the whole idea of this border is suspect.

    I just wonder why people are like “yeah fuck white people, fuck me!” and then turn up their noses at right wingers. The right wingers have an actual position at least. What is the position of a liberal(generally well educated) white person who enjoys all the rights and privileges that comes with?

    Irony and sarcasm just isn’t doing it for me as a means to change. I would like to see real dialogue between the descendants of white settlers and the Native Americans. I really think that a lot of these issues should be adressed with more than just lip service and finger pointing at the more right wing types.

    I think Western Civilization is on the way out, but what will replace it? The right wingers are clinging to the past but who has a vision of the future beyond mere cynicism?

    • Taan Maat

      The soulless collectivized “diversified” world order. Imagine apple product commercials mixed with wayne barlowe.

    • Adam’s Shadow

      Acknowledgement of past and current injustice is what I think many “liberal whites” ultimately strive for, and I would include myself in that category. No, it’s not feasible to ship everybody of European descent back across the ocean, but neither is it fair or right to throw up your hands and say “Well, what can I do about it? I didn’t come over here raping and pillaging.”

      The entire history of the world is composed of the strong and/or fortunate taking from the weak and/or less fortunate; just acknowledging this fact is a big step towards a more humane, just, and ethical world. And, to be totally honest, what’s wrong with any kind of guilt? If something horrible has happened which you have either helped with or benefited from, one should feel guilty.

      But I see your point that this finger-pointing at obviously moronic, reactionary right-wingers is both counterproductive and ultimately useless; what good will come of it? Aside from making me laugh, it’s true that not much will come of it. Dialogue is good, but that dialogue here is colored by the medium of the Internet, which lends itself to anger and sarcasm rather than actual, honest communication and critical thought. The best form of dialogue, of creating solutions rather than harping on the problem, is to just talk to and interact with people out in “meat-space.” I think everyone here is a little guilty of talking AT others, instead of TO them. I’m as guilty as anyone in shouting out into the echo-chamber, and I’d like to make some personal improvements in making a real, positive change in the world instead of just posting random bullshit on the Internet (like I do).

      Did that make sense? I’ve been working on three-four hours of sleep a night for a couple months now.

      • Ted Heistman

        No, you makes sense. I guess I look at it like this:

        I don’t think the whites were necessarily stronger/more fortunate and the Natives weaker and less fortunate. I mean over time that came to be the case as more and more Indians were alienated from their land and traditional way of life. But initially from what I have studied the Natives were by all reports, happier and healthier than the whites. They were tall with impressive physiques and had many Statesmen that really impressed the British with their eloquence and wisdom.

        My ancestors on my Father’s side were Loyalists who fought on the British side during the Revolutionary War. MY GGGGGG grandfather fought under the Command of Captain Joseph Brant, a Harvard educated Mohawk warrior, his uncle Had visited England as an Ambassador for the Mohawk Nation.

        I think the way of life of Western Civilization is more like a virulent disease that whites had developed partial immunity to and the Natives had not. I think there is a lot to be said for the Jared Diamond model of “Guns Germs and Steel” I would ad to that and Say “Gun’s Germs, Steel, Alcahol and destructive memes”

        I hope in the near future a New civilization can be created taking from the best ideas of both and making a more just and sustainable society. I see a lot of Native wisdom as superior.

        • Adam’s Shadow

          “I think there is a lot to be said for the Jared Diamond model of “Guns
          Germs and Steel” I would ad to that and Say “Gun’s Germs, Steel, Alcahol
          and destructive memes”

          So do I – I love that book, but I also try to stay away from the idea that geographical determinism is the sole or ultimate factor in sociocultural creation. The romantic (or maybe naive?) part of me would like to think that there is more to human civilization and humanity itself than just geography and environment; and thus, I also agree with your statement that memes play a part as well.

          • Ted Heistman

            right You might find this interesting. Very proactive

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9NqeyFIWnlc

            I think the Mohawks are doing a lot of things right now. They have always been a very formidable Nation. Its amazing they are still around.

  • Taan Maat
  • Ted Heistman

    I think if you live in Arizona it would be good to know about the local Indians which I think are Apache and Navajo I think if you live in New York it would be good to know about the Iroquois. I also think its good to learn about the natural community also, plants animals etc. As far as British and Europeans being illegal immigrants to…The United States? Turtle Island? I think the case is hard to make really. There was no United States then. There was was no monolithic political entity stretching from coast to coast and from what is now Mexico to what is now Canada. But each region did have local people with a local political order and value system and way of life tied to that region.

    The United States doesn’t really exist as anything other than an idea. The word egregore comes to mind. I think its one that is increasingly losing its potency. It is for me. I guess what I am interested is creating a new culture that incorporates more Native American values.

  • Taan Maat

    Keep walking chief empty-bottle

  • andrewwww

    whats “illegal” is all relative to who your “chief” is…of course the first white settlers werent “legal” under the rule of the native “chiefs”…but realize that even the term “native” can be relative here…because even the native americans had ancestors who migrated here….as far as science knows humans are only really “native” to africa…..so i guess if you dont live in africa, youre not a native andshould go back home??? i dunno whatever, keepwhining ppl

  • http://httprussianfreedomforumlefora.com/ shablon

    Absolute truth that needed to be told to ignorant semi educated bunch of morons who think that they have more rights than the people from the South whose land they swiped in 1898.

  • Randy Hitt

    Europeans were here 1st, and we have always been here, time for non-whites to get over it.

    • oneironauticus

      You are an actual moron.

      What are you referring to? The Book of Mormon or the Kennewick Man? Either way, you’re absolutely wrong, unless you look at the native Ainu of Japan and think they look “European” to you…(then you’d be wrong AND crazy).

      • Randy Hitt

        I’m referring to archaeological evidence that pre-dates the bering land bridge. I’m talking about Clovis man, and American stonehenge.

        • oneironauticus

          You New Agers will believe anything…

          • Randy Hitt

            You luddites don’t accept any evidence that refutes your agenda…

        • Calypso_1

          Human poop older than Clovis culture has been found that was Native American mtDNA.

  • Mikerascan Steffen

    What the protesters haven’t figured out is that america has become… by design… just one big indian reservation. He should be welcoming us to the tribe.

  • RayJ

    Um… what is this bullshit? So we can’t be in favor of enforcing borders essentially because the U.S. government is illegitimate? I guess it is hypocritical for us to collect taxes too, and enforce traffic laws. What right do we ‘invaders’ have to do anything by this logic? Sorry history was unkind to Native American nations but it was unkind to a lot of nations that aren’t around today and it doesn’t mean we should just throw away the rule of law. This video should be titled “Angry Native American guy sees the world as essentially divided on racial lines and doesn’t accept the authority of the nation that cuts him a check every week because it isn’t run by people in his racial group”.

  • justathought22

    Just amazing that there were other countries conquered and settled by forgieners yet America is the only country held out and ridiculed for it. Many many many other coutries had slaves long before the colonies yet for some reason America seems to be the only country that is ridiculed and consistantly punished for it. The mexicans claim we stole Texas from them yet are they willing to give their country back to Spain whom they “stole” mexico from when they fought a war? NO! Just because someone else did it doesn’t make it right, I get that but stop with the rediculousness!!!! Yes those that founded America killed Indians, I am sorry for that but I did not do it and neither did my parents or grandparents or my greatgrandparents who were here in this country. Yes we invaded hundreds of years ago that does not mean that any tom dick or harry that walks into this country now deserves to be here. Every country has laws and it is about time that some of our politicians live up to the oarth they took and start protecting this country!!!!!

  • Bill Goode

    If this fellow was living in England, would he have the Normans give England back to the Saxons? Then the Saxons should give it back to the Romans? And the Romans give it back to the Celts? Does this mean all the Spaniards & Portuguese in Latin America should give it up and move back to Iberia? I don’t think this is very workable.

    I was born in the United States and I personally have not stolen any land from anyone. Neither did my parents or grandparents. I have lived and thrived in the land I was born in. This fellow has apparently been born in America, but he is not thriving. He needs to stop being a victim and become more causative over his life.

    Undoing all the migrations that have taken place in the world over the last 5000 years is simply not practical. We are all individuals, whether Caucasian, Negro, Chinese, Native American or any other race. We simply need to treat each other as individuals, rather than dividing ourselves into groups that fight each other.

    Yes, there have been many injustices done to almost any group of people through history. But we need to live in the present time, not dwell on injustices of the past. Injustices of the past between groups and races are too numerous and complex to deal with.

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