Republicans Now Seeking To Prevent Women From Voting

votersIt’s no longer just about minorities, the poor, and college students; introducing the next target for disenfranchisement. The New Civil Rights Movement notes that Republicans in Texas (and a number of other states) have now devised and passed new voter ID laws that will render a large fraction of female voters, but not male voters, ineligible to vote:

As of November 5, Texans must show a photo ID with their up-to-date legal name. Only 66% of voting age women have ready access to a photo document that will attest to proof of citizenship. This is largely because women have not updated their documents with their married names. Suddenly 34% of women voters are scrambling for an acceptable ID, while 99% of men are home free.

A birth certificate is not enough. Women voters will have to show legal proof of a name change: a marriage license, a divorce decree, or court ordered change; and they have to be the original documents.

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  • atlanticus

    They did not consider how this would affect the women married to those Republican men who would have bullied their wives into voting as they vote, anyway…unless the Republican men took extra care to make sure that their wives’ documents were up to date before passing this law…?

    Unmarried women (including the dreaded “single-mother-welfare-queens”) and lesbians are unaffected. Go figure.

    The moral of this story? Remember, ladies: even if you should choose to enter into a contract agreement based on traditions which define you as property, do NOT change your name without a thorough understanding of the implications of (even temporarily) losing legal person-hood.

    • Lookinfor Buford

      Please charlotte, do stay in school and finish that education. You might want to save some of your rants for afterward, though. You do learn a few things living in the post-academic real world, you know. It is sad to see what the talking heads are doing to the young women in our country nowadays.

      • jnana

        I have never let my schooling interfere with my education- Mark Twain
        “Post-academic real world”? it seems to me you’ve learned something in academia. pretentiousness and elitism.

        • Calypso_1

          what of post-tension & mediocritism?

        • Lookinfor Buford

          hmmm, not sure how you arrived at that conclusion. But yes, I learned a good bit in school. And since then, I’ve learned that responsibility coupled with reality teaches one a great deal more.

          • jnana

            I arrived at that conclusion because of the remark you made about how you know more than charlotte just because you have finished school.
            I would actually disagree. I believe that going to school and then entering the “real world” actually dumbs you down, forcing you to live in an illusory abstracted world removed from Real Life.
            Its the reason why the Teachers of the past tell us to abandon the world, it being corrupting to the soul.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            my remark said nothing along those lines, but that I have learned that *my* 20 year post-education life, combined with responsibilities (like fatherhood), have been more valuable than my formal education, by an order of magnitude. You can disagree all you want, but that is a personal claim, and it is thus 100% factual. I was just trying to let charlotte know that she might actually change her mind a few times, and gosh, even learn a thing or two in the next phase of her life.

          • oneironauticus

            No you were not. You were making assumptions about a specific stranger. You were assuming that 1.) I haven’t finished education, 2.) That my opinions are formed by others’ opinions, rather than my own experience in life.

            Everything, EVERYTHING, I say, I try to base on my own life experience as a matter of principle.

            As opposed to you, who actually call yourself a “Republican” (hint: I do not call myself a “Democrat”), are offended on behalf of any mention of Conservatives/Republicans, as though it were a *personal insult* and generally have not shown much fluctuation or independent thought outside of that narrowly-defined category.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            When did I call myself that? Who’s assuming? Was I right about #1?

          • atlanticus

            If you had received an education worth your money, you would have learned how to formulate an argument, rather than a hit-and-run insult.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            Sorry, how did I insult you? And what are we arguing about again? Oh yeah, you were claiming my wife is a mindless sex slave, who takes it however I want to give it and then heads to the polls to do my bidding, or something like that. Gawd, I wish.

          • atlanticus

            Actually, I was talking about my neighbors, but you just go on being a psychotic egomaniac…it’s a good look for you.

          • jnana

            you wish that, huh? seems very telling…

          • Lookinfor Buford

            Well, I wish for the voting part. The other part, no complaints.

          • oneironauticus

            So your wife is a mindless sex slave?

          • Lookinfor Buford

            No complaints.

          • oneironauticus

            That’s foul. I wonder how your wife would feel if she could read what you just said about her.

            And you have a daughter? Is your daughter also a mindless sex slave?

          • sonicbphuct

            are you saying you live in texas, vote republican and are a supporter of the aforementioned law?

            If so, then yes, that’s about what it says. If not, well, harden the F up. F’n sally conservatives.

          • Mikala Romans

            If your not getting a sandwich out of that as well, I’d trade her in!

          • Marcus Rhodes

            And your comments were so insightful and enduring.

      • Guest
      • atlanticus

        Which mysterious “talking heads” are you referring to? David Byrne?

        • Lookinfor Buford

          Basically, all those people on TV who have made you believe that white conservatives have submissive and obedient wives who do as they are told. Those talking heads who have unbelievably convinced you that those wives have trouble obtaining proper identification, are incapable of driving and hence have no license etc. I’m pretty sure you didn’t learn this stuff from true academic pursuit.

          • oneironauticus

            You watch more TV than I do. I have not owned a TV in half a decade.

            Only old people watch TV. Seriously.

            I base my opinions of certain white conservatives on WHAT I SEE WITH MY OWN EYES. I SEE THOSE SUBMISSIVE WIVES IN MY OWN NEIGHBORHOOD AND I FEEL SORRY FOR THEM.

      • sonicbphuct

        wow. you managed to waste a paragraph and not say a damn thing. Are you by chance a politician?

      • Malice Amarantine

        Is this comment actually supposed to say something? Because all I’m seeing is insults with no basis whatsoever and no points, logic or even a backed up opinion on anything.

        • Lookinfor Buford

          I can recommend a remedial reading class for you.

          • Malice Amarantine

            I can recommend a basic debate class for you. One in which you actually learn to make points and communicate effectively.

    • nilbud

      Hilarious but it’s a secret ballot so your whole point is just dross.

    • http://pneumerology.com/ pneumerology

      Good advice about the name changing. My wife and I moved to a different state and ran into this problem. That is, she did… more documents, more phone calls, more money spent on gas and postage, none of which was required of me.

      One might just chalk this up to the usual idiocy of politicians and bureaucrats… but even if it is unintended (which I doubt) the result is the suppression of women voters.

    • Marcus Rhodes

      You need very expensive therapy.

    • Anti-Crowley

      Hate men much?

      • Calypso_1

        Becoming manifest in your full glory once again?

        • Anti-Crowley

          not manifest, more Memetic. Good to see some old timers still going strong.

      • oneironauticus

        If anything, it would appear I dislike women, since nearly all of my close friends are male.

        Where are you getting that, anyway?

        • Andrew

          Only Republican men are really men.

          • oneironauticus

            Hah! :D

  • Just me

    People need to take responsibility for their lives, a welfare queen who marries a deadbeat husband is still going to have to show ID with her married name when she and her deadbeat sign up for welfare as a couple.

    • atlanticus

      “Although American women can no longer stay on welfare indefinitely due to the Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Act, the term continues to shape American dialogue on poverty.” – Wikipedia; “Welfare Queen”

      EDIT: Oh, WOW, check out this dude’s other places he leaves comments under this name…why do I even bother?

      • Rhoid Rager

        This has turned out to be quite a poisonous thread. I liked the vagina cakes one much better.

        • atlanticus

          Yeah…*sigh*

        • Iuwus

          isn’t it curious the shit that falls when women and (enter issue here) are brought up. women and voting in this case…. interesting.

          • Rhoid Rager

            It’s a projection of massive systemic male insecurities, if you ask me….

          • Calypso_1

            …and a psychiatric biomarker for a cretinous gene pool.

          • Iuwus

            seems so on this thread, although i often see flare ups on both sides tbh.

  • John Marston

    This article is ignorant and irresponsible. All it tries to do is stir up something that doesn’t exist. Really, people have to “scramble” to get an I.D. Most people I know have already gotten that I.D., and if they need to get one, it is not that big of a process. It never ceases to amaze me the depths liberals will go to slander anything perceived to be “non-liberal”. It would do liberals, and this country, good to learn about classic liberalism.

    • jnana

      well, for those on a fixed income or no income, it isn’t so easy to afford another ID. im not sure yer aware of the plight of the poor in this country. not everyone is as well-off as you seem to imagine.

      • John Marston

        I work with the poor on a daily basis. While some are poor due to conditions beyond their control, the majority have caused their own problems. However, this article addresses more than poor people, it also references the “difficulty” a woman who has changed her name has in getting a new I. D. Please, how much does an I. D. Cost? In my state an I. D. Is free.

        • jnana

          an I.D. costs upwards of 30$. not much for some but not everyone can afford that. neither should they have to, just to vote. not to mention the difficulty in getting one, especially if yer a single mother who works.
          i’m not even going to argue with you on who’s to blame for poverty. I will simply repeat a quote:
          “Western man fills his pantry with groceries and thinks he is self-sufficient”
          -Gandhi

          • Lookinfor Buford

            $16 for a 10 year ID, jnana. How many people walk to the polls nowadays? The gas to travel the 5 blocks to the polling place 1 time costs more than the I.D. Oh yeah, I forgot, liberals think life is supposed to come to them on their couches. Is that the next big campaign? The polls come to you so you incur zero expense?

          • jnana

            the point is it shouldn’t cost anything to vote.
            Im far from a liberal, their views are just as biased as yours. theirs are based on white guilt, generally. and conservatives are built on white pride.(both are largely latent, not consciously aware of their white guilt or pride, or willing to admit it these days)

    • thiskissbelongstome

      It took a few years for my local government to get it right when I changed my name. It’s not such a throw away issue.

  • Picky Wassah

    Republicans Now Seeking To Prevent Women From Voting?
    What This gargabe has to do to show an ID to vote like any normal Citizen and avoid illegals to vote?

    • atlanticus

      …Ironic. I do not believe that English is your first language…

      • Picky Wassah

        Ironic that I love USA more than you and yes Spanish is my first language,

        Learn Spanish before you become a minority!

        Have a good day Nazi!

        • atlanticus

          There is a communication failure occurring here. My boyfriend’s family all speak Spanish. My best friend unfortunately failed Spanish, so she can’t talk to her grandmother.

          I am saying that it is ironic that you would be so against “illegals” when most people who say these things are the very “Nazis” you have accused me of being…I understand if you are upset about illegals because you feel you came into the country legally and wonder why they won’t…sure, I get it. I just find it ironic.

          At any rate, the article was suggesting that this is beyond just an issue with immigration.

          • Guest

            you would be so against “illegals”?.it is the law!…If you are not From USA You are not allow to vote..WTF?

            From all the garbage non sense that you wrote. The article is saying the it is a war on women because they need an ID to vote…Illegals are not allow to vote in USA as USA Citizens are not allow to vote anywhere in the planet…that is a fact.

            something as easy as follow the law…can you grasp the idea?

          • atlanticus

            Can you?

          • Guest

            I see that you already lost track of what the article said and we have a communication problem…

            and yes…I’m a law abiding citizen, not a criminal supporter like you…any other stupid questions from you?

          • atlanticus

            OH, now you can speak in grammatically correct sentences? Sorry, but I’m not going to have an argument over your absurd notions. I never said I supported illegals. You said I was a “Nazi” before that.

            Your points are inconsistent and disconnected and it’s becoming clear that we cannot blame your recent acquisition of the language. I work with a guy who only learned English 2 years ago and he makes far more sense than you do.

          • Guest

            So what is your stupid point and insulting me English will not get you anywhere as I do speak 2 languages…you don’t.

            My original post is What This garbage has to do to show an ID to vote like any normal Citizen and avoid illegals to vote?

            you just going around with Nazi propaganda non-sense.

            I tired to deal with your communist garbage…so please go to Cuba…you will like there!

          • atlanticus

            Wow.

            I just said that I am NOT insulting your English. I just said that YOU are the problem. YOU do not make sense.

            The article is NOT about Illegals. That is YOUR assertion.

            Which is it? Am I a Nazi or a Communist? You’re a crazy person. I am not continuing this conversation.

            (Anyone else remember that time when Nazis were supporters of “illegals”? O_o)

          • Guest

            The article is NOT about Illegals. That is YOUR assertion.?
            I see that discussing with you is like craping everywhere and changing the blame in something else…tel you boss that trolling is not a carrer…is a Nazi communist propaganda.
            Nazi, communist, socialism and fascism is the same as progressive…and talking to crazy people like you be ban for owning a computer.

          • atlanticus

            K.

          • Jeb Morningside

            “Nazi, communist, socialism and fascism is the same as progressive.”

            Not even close.

          • moremisinformation

            They all have the strength of the collectivist thinking bond. Whether that constitutes ‘close’, would have to be defined.

          • jnana

            I think that big c Communism, Nazism, socialism, and yes, even much of modern progressive politics, are all different manifestations of fascism. Fascism being a strong, centralized state in which the individual makes sacrifices for society. Perhaps, they’re all different gradations of fascism, Nazism being the strongest form of fascism, progressivism being the mildest form.

          • Andrew

            Let’s see if the similarities can be set aside for a moment. Would you agree that using tax dollars to feed starving children (for an example) is the beginning of a slippery slope to genociding six million Jews (for another example)? Is there a difference between those two actions other than degree, and if so, what is it?

          • jnana

            I don’t think using tax dollars to feed children is a defining trait of progressivism. progressives will also use tax dollars to pay for drones to kill those same children. progressivism is just a more tactful and self-aware fascism. progressive politicians will say one thing and mean or do another to portray an aura of benevolence and care. while still pushing policies that will line their pockets and give them more of the power they crave. Obama being a shining example. maybe they really believe their lies. y’know, so did the Nazis. they thought they had good intentions, too.

          • Andrew

            That didn’t answer either of my questions.

          • jnana

            because your question was nonsensical. what does tax dollars to feed starving children have anything to do with progressivism? what are you implying by your question?

            “Is there a difference between those two actions other than degree, and if so, what is it?”
            what you did was give me one positive example of a progressive-type policy and one really negative example of Nazi policy.
            but, whatever. i’ll just answer the question. yes, those 2 actions are different. the first is a policy that may alleviate the suffering of others(although, it can lead to dependence to the State). the other is a policy that harms others.
            what’s your point in asking that question?

          • Andrew

            My point was to show that progressivism, fascism, and communism are not all the same thing, even if they do have some things in common. Refusing to acknowledge important differences leads all sorts of realities to seem nonsensical.

          • jnana

            I never said they were the same thing. I said that progressivism, Communism and socialism were all forms of fascism. Fascism being the political doctrine that it is the individual’s duty to support the State and its functions, sometimes in conflict with individual aims. Progressivism is a democratic form of fascism(although I’d say its not often very democratic when practiced).
            Please tell me why you assumed using taxes to feed children is a defining trait of progressivism? Because that is where our disagreements originally stemmed from.
            As I said, in essence they all are the same thing, being essential fascistic. I often agree with progressives concerning what is a healthy attitude, but I find myself agreeing with the conservative’s hatred of centralized authority’s mandates.

          • Andrew

            > Please tell me why you assumed using taxes to feed children is a defining trait of progressivism?

            Because that’s one of the main things the self-described progressives I know are for. I still define progressivism that way, by the way, and I don’t define fascism as you do.

          • jnana

            well, you’ve bought their propaganda, apparently. have you noticed that the left and right aren’t going to look like Nazis, but instead project the aura of political Care Bears? Shoot, most conservatives I know donate. They don’t think it’s the State’s business to FORCE people to give. An understandable perspective, imo.
            Anyway, yer example is just one policy progressives emphasize. I could enumerate policies of all sorts of fascistic administrations that seem positive.
            Progressivism is for a strong centralized gov’t telling people what to do because the elite know what’s right and the people are ignorant animals in need of herding. Have you seen or read A Clockwork Orange? That is an example of “progressive” policy. Weather modification for war and “non-lethal” weapons in war are examples of “progressive” policy.
            now, don’t get me wrong. I appreciate some of the goals and attitudes of progressives, but its not anyone elses job but my own to determine what is moral.
            who will watch the watchers in yer “progressive” society?

          • Andrew

            I don’t think it’s a matter of me having bought fascists’ propaganda, I think it’s a matter of me not buying the propaganda of plutocrats in libertarian disguise. I think some of our disagreement is one of values. I do agree with certain tenets of fascism (like the Nazis’ taxing returns on investment at a much higher rate than income from work) and freedom is not my highest value. I repeat, while I value individual freedom to a certain degree, I do not value it as much as most of the people on this website seem to. On the subject of environmental protections especially, I do believe the scientific elite know what’s right and the sheeple are ignorant animals in need of herding.

            Who will watch the watchers? Other watchers. Corruption is natural and unavoidable, and every system or non system of society must eventually be overthrown by violence. Obviously violence is another topic I sometimes agree with the fascists on.

          • jnana

            at the end of the day what matters is what are you going to do about it. if you buy their propaganda they might get you to follow them in the realm of action. or at least non-action.

          • Andrew

            I don’t think you’d like it if I started acting on my beliefs. ;)

          • jnana

            also, who has made the masses ignorant? the same elite you say can save us. do you think the progressive and libertarian elite are really at war with each other? that’s just a drama for us. they could care less about progressivism or libertarianism. those are just masks they wear to pass their policies that will line their pockets and grant them temporal power.

          • Andrew

            We humans are born ignorant, because we are not gods. (I know you disagree with me on that.) And I specifically did not say the elite can save us. (In fact, I did not intend to say we can be saved.) Because there is not just one group of elite. Some are more “evil” than “good” and some are more “good” than “evil.” I said the scientific elite know better how to protect the environment than the masses, and they do. They know better than me on that subject, and they know better than you on that subject. And they must make laws regarding it if the human race is to have a chance of survival.

            Of course there’s a risk of having elites, but there are risks to every mode of living, even non-ideological ones, and elites cannot be done away with. I believe the temporally powerful would find a way to take advantage of both a completely egalitarian society as well as a completely free society (if either could actually exist, and I don’t believe either could) because people are not born with equal abilities. I know many elites don’t care about libertarianism and progressivism, but I also believe the most elite don’t really care about lining their pockets either because they’ve changed money from a tool into a prison. I believe the world can never be a moral place, and it know it will never be run the way I would run it if I were a god. Which, fortunately, I am not!

            Power trumps morality every time, and as Nietzsche said, convictions are a greater enemy of truth than lies.

          • jnana

            actually, I agree w/ u that we are born ignorant in this world, but I believe we knew before we came here and the Logos is being beamed at us every moment. We just need to tune into it and tune out the vast amounts of static. As plato said, “all knowledge is remembering”

            ” I believe the world can never be a moral place”

            agreed, because it was created by an ignorant irrational and/or malicious demiurge.

          • Andrew

            As a person with apparent “C-PTSD” and “dissociative amnesia,” I find that Plato quote particularly interesting.

          • jnana

            anamnesis is sometimes precipitated by a specific trigger. ever read the gnostic text “hymn of the pearl”. the protagonist forgets his mission in Babylon, but his family is not unawares and sends a Message to re-mind him.
            but, yeah, sometimes I feel like there are layers upon layers and our personal dramas correspond to the Cosmic Drama. maybe inversely, sometimes. for example, you may not want yer memories triggered, whereas in the Cosmic Drama, it is necessary for us to remember. but I don’t know much about PTSD, so maybe i’m wrong about that

          • Lookinfor Buford

            Sorry, but progressives don’t get to take all the credit for that.

          • Andrew

            I didn’t say they get to take all the credit, just that they definitely get to take some of the credit.

          • Guest

            the are all against capitalism!
            All are the same garbage!

          • jnana

            progressivism isn’t against capitalism. its against unregulated capitalism.

          • Andrew

            Which definition of capitalism are you talking about? All the progressives I know own private property.

          • Guest

            here in USA, yes..go to Cuba and let me know…

          • Andrew

            I’m not particularly interested in going to Cuba, so I won’t be letting you know.

          • Guest

            If you don’t to see the truth then stop post your ignorant opinion on the internet and wasting time!
            Get a Job!

          • Andrew

            I wasn’t talking about Cuba in the first place. Nor do I want to get a job there. (It’d be hard to get a job here while in Cuba.)

            Point being, I don’t have to like Cuba or oppose all forms of capitalism in order to agree with certain aspects of progressivism.

          • Guest

            Any part of progressivism is communism as progressive goal is Cuba…sorry you are either with the free world or with the oppressors.

          • Andrew

            I don’t agree. You are engaging in black and white thinking, also known as splitting.

            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Splitting_%28psychology%29

          • Guest

            I don’t agree. You are engaging in brainwashing….USA was founded on freedom and capitalism…why do we want to be like Cuba, Russia or North Korea?
            And Wikipedia IS Nazi propaganda…and no, I don’t watch Fox either…
            ****The original post is What the Republicans have to do with asking for ID to vote?…
            If you are not a legal citizen you are not allow to vote…****
            Any other conversation away from that is trolling…
            So
            please stop you Nazi propaganda as it does not have anything to do with his article!

          • Andrew

            I agree with you that people who aren’t legal citizens shouldn’t be allowed to vote. But I don’t agree with a single other thing you said, including your definitions of words. Because of that, I don’t think we can come to any conclusion to this argument.

          • atlanticus

            You are against capitalism. You think I should be banned from owning a computer. That’s very un-capitalistic of you. Who would enforce such laws? And at the expense of the computer manufacturers!? You commie!

          • Lookinfor Buford

            This reply is to nilbud and bobbiethejean, not Picky —

            I love the way you high an mighty liberals love to refer to fallacy like ad hoc, then employ it every chance you get. Oh, and aren’t you and bobbie being quite racist on this thread? Criticizing the man for his cultural characteristics. Racists.

          • Picky Wassah

            Thanks bro!

          • oneironauticus

            Now, *where* are you seeing “bobbie” being racist? I can’t find what you’re referencing…

            Nilbud, on the other hand, has indeed been quite racist, several times, to several people…I honestly don’t know why he’s still posting here.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            Slamming the guy and calling him ignorant because he doesn’t have command of the English language, same as you.

          • oneironauticus

            No. I clearly defined that I was not mocking his English, but his ideas. You are very pick-and-choose about what you read on these comments…

            “OH, now you can speak in grammatically correct sentences?” Was not slamming the guy–it was pointing out the opposite: that he has a better command than he lets on. He probably wasn’t expecting anyone to actually argue with him.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            Very close, actually. All of these share in common control by a small group or a single ideology. All are recognizable by their hallmark – central planning. All resort to amoral control of the mindbody of humans using physical or mental persuasion, to acquire and retain control. All rely on a populous incapable or afraid to engage in independent thought and action. Yes, this includes progressives.

          • bobbiethejean

            You really should look up the definitions of those words because you don’t really seem to know what they mean. If you weren’t ignorant of their definitions, you’d know very well that they are not the same things. That’s not even a matter of opinion. That is fact.

          • Picky Wassah

            Like Hilary said: what difference does it makes?
            They all against Capitalism and all like to spread the wealth and socialize culture.
            It is the same garbage as all of them have the same goal. Slavery. Cuba is doing great, Russia is doing great and Germany after 2nd world war was doing awesome!
            We don’t need this in USA!

          • bobbiethejean

            You should avoid having strong, conclusive opinions about things you don’t understand which is why I would strongly suggest researching these terms properly.

            Norway, Belgium, Sweden, Switzerland, and many other socialist countries are doing WAY better than we are because they understand the merit in “all for one and one for all” over the “every man for himself” philosophy. The former philosophy is, at least in current times, inherently a better one because we are a social species. No man is an island. And anyway, our “capitalist” system essentially amounts to socialism for the rich, elite, and politicians while everyone else gets the invisible backhand of the market.

            Furthermore, pure capitalism can be just as bad as pure fascism. It has different goals but the result is the same more or less- that is to say a lot of people die needlessly, a lot of people end up oppressed, and our freedoms get flushed down the drain. In one scenario, it’s all in the name of control. In the other scenario, it’s all in the name of monetary acquisition. Different goals, same end.

            You go on about the evils of socialism which I find funny. I find it funny because humans are a social species. It is natural for us to crowd-fund humanity’s prosperity. We’ve been doing it for many thousands of years. You scorn it as if it is evil but you have no problem with a society based around the love, worship, and wanton lust for money which is down to its very essence, not natural and not healthy when taken to the extremes capitalism often does.

            Am I socialist? No. I am a whatever-the-fuck-worksist. But for the record, of all the ideas humanity has come up with for organizing society, I find socialism to be one of the less offensive.

          • Guest

            bobbiethejean There is not a drop of truth in your Nazi propaganda kool aid style.

            That is what the Mainstream media repeats and nobody question them…

            please stop watch the cartoon channel and when you use the word offensive when you have your strong but faulty and Nazi opinion you know you are lying…

            Here in USA is not a socialist state and be live way better that those idiots in Europe…until 2008 with the communist in chief took over.

          • nilbud

            You live like animals, the US is a third world country,

          • bobbiethejean

            Wow. The ignorance is strong with this one. Please report to your nearest local cave and don’t come out until you learn how to think logically and critically. You may then attempt to reintegrate yourself back into society.

          • oneironauticus

            You know, when you’re “deleting” your posts…we can still see them. And we still know it’s you. Just letting you know.

        • atlanticus

          Also, I’d expect you to know better that *language* is not *race*. Isn’t the term “Hispanic” sometimes offensive as a description of a group of people for that very reason?

  • believein1

    This is dumb and another desperate attempt from the left to fear monger instead of stating the truth plainly. If you vote, get an ID. If you’re a citizen, get an ID. If you’re illegal, too bad. You seriously don’t want an ID to be required to vote? And then you want to blame it on Republicans? Have some shame and honor.

    • Jeb Morningside

      Actual voter fraud happens so little that it’s hard not to believe that these voter ID laws are anything but a republican scheme to prevent certain people from voting. It’s actually incredibly obvious.

      • Lookinfor Buford

        Straight out of the liberal media talking points parrot handbook? And 5 upvotes? What is up people? Is critical thought really that foreign to you?
        Jeb, please explain how you have outshined the rest of us, and obtained the data needed to assess the true impact of voter fraud in todays election processes. You must be a freakin’ genius parrot.

        • atlanticus

          That’s so strange…I thought you were directly quoting Bill O’Reilly for a second.

          You certainly are a talented mimic of his abrasive “debate” style. No actual substance, only insults…perfect, really. You should enter a contest or something.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            I don’t follow. I pointed out the ‘fact’ that Jeb doesn’t have *any* data to back up his statement. Zero.

          • atlanticus

            -_-

            …I’m *mocking* you. What I just did there? That’s what you sound like when you replied to Jeb.

            When you say “Straight out of the liberal media talking points parrot handbook?” I say “I thought you were directly quoting Bill O’Reilly”. I am pointing out your hypocrisy by showing how you are biased to your own political party-line.

            Maybe I should have said “straight out of the Fox News talking points parrot handbook” so you could follow. I know your type really needs basic humor spelled out for them…

          • Lookinfor Buford

            When did you determine what television I watch? You know, I usually just sit around listening to Ozzy or Jim Croce. TV is such a vacuum nowadays.

        • bobbiethejean

          It’s no secret that conservatards pull this shit. They don’t even try to hide it. How can you deny something they don’t even try to hide?

          • Lookinfor Buford

            Would you like to give an example of a conservative admitting to this? I suppose Jeb’s statement is true to this extent: yes voter ID laws are meant to keep illegal immigrants, and fraudulent persons from voting.

          • bobbiethejean

            Yeah because I’m sure that if I linked you to a credible source you’d just believe it rather than decrying the “evil, distorting liberal media bias.” I’m not going to waste my time.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            Try me.

          • bobbiethejean

            Would you like me to go all the way back to the 1800s or just from the early 1900s?

          • Jeb Morningside

            Ok, here’s a republican admitting that voter ID laws are a scheme to suppress opposing votes. ;)

            http://www.inquisitr.com/1005250/nc-republican-don-yelton-admits-voter-id-laws-intend-to-suppress-vote/

    • VaudeVillain

      What kind of ID? From where? When does it need to be acquired? Who is going to verify it? What are the actual rules?

      These are NOT trivial questions, they are key parts to implementing any such plan. Note that only certain types of ID are acceptable, excluding even some of those which are normally allowed for government functions (ie. birth certificates).

      FID cards are allowed, but student ID, even from state schools, are not. Driver’s licenses are allowed, but only if they are accurate-as-printed… so you’d better not have changed your name (as in a marriage), or moved, done any of the other entirely legal things which can change information that is printed on your driver’s license.

      That most of those things are most frequently done by youths, women, migrants (not all of whom are immigrants of any stripe), indigents (being homeless does not preclude your right to vote), students, and lower-class people IS important. Even if we grant proponents the benefit of he doubt and assume hat it is not their intent to disenfranchise such groups, that doesn’t make it acceptable to effectively do so anyway.

      • Lookinfor Buford

        In Texas, you get a driver’s license. If you don’t/can’t drive, there is a state ID that looks, and is acquired, exactly like a license. Last I checked it was about 15 bucks, and renews every 10 years. That will set you back 13 cents per month.

        • Lookinfor Buford

          Why are we down voting simple facts, people?

          • sonicbphuct

            mostly because you’re annoying and attempting to sound erudite and clever. You just come off as a stoner Glenn Beck. I’d give you – if I could. Its what you give to people who spout dumb shit and think its not dumb. You can do a quick litmus test on the dumbness of your statements – if they contain strings like “liberal bias” or “liberal media”, they satisfy the dumb condition.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            I hope you are annoyed. You and Jeb are dumb if you believe the law is intended to keep any true American citizens from voting. It’s meant to keep illegals from voting, Dumbass.

          • sonicbphuct

            doh! you failed the litmus test again. Add this to your string black list, “true american citizen.” Man, you’re really not doing well with this, are you?

          • Lookinfor Buford

            I’m doing fine. There are true citizens, then there are fraudulent identities, and illegal aliens. One must be a true American citizen to vote. Are you with me now? Am I going slow enough for you?

          • VaudeVillain

            Why do you think illegal immigrants are voting? Do you have any credible sources to indicate this happens in statistically relevant numbers? How much time and money are you willing to invest in enforcing such laws?

            As I said, there are people in this country who, for various reasons, do not find it as simple and straightforward to acquire and maintain government-issued ID that accurately indicates their current circumstances as an upper-middle-class professional with a regular job and a family and deeded home. Many of these reasons are entirely legal and non-controversial. Why do you want to suppress their votes? Why is it more terrifying to you that a handful of illegal immigrants might be able to vote than that a handful of legal citizens might not?

            As another avenue of inquiry, perhaps you are unfamiliar with the staffing tendencies of urban polling stations. In many cities, particularly but not exclusively those in states with Republican majority leadership, polls consistently have lines where voters must wait for hours to perform their civic duty. Hours that they cannot be at work, or with their families, or sleeping, or eating, or doing any of the other myriad things that humans must do even on election day. These polls are chronically understaffed, poorly managed, and overassigned.

            When the polls close and the counting has to start, anyone who hasn’t voted yet is sent on their way. This is a problems that already exist, and have already been reported countless times, year after year (go look it up… you claim to be a programmer, I trust your ability to use Google).

            Do you believe that the addition of an extra step, where all voters must show ID and that ID must be verified will most likely help or harm this situation? If an additional 10% of these voters are turned away because the polls close while they stand in line, do you think that is justified by making extra double sure no illegal aliens voted?

            Apply Occam’s Razor for a moment here: which proposition is more likely, that illegal aliens care to vote and will risk showing up at polls, or that incumbent political interests will try to manipulate those polls to remain incumbent?

            For Patriotic S&Gs, in a country where 1 in 3 eligible voters bothering to participate in an election is considered a really strong turnout… are you really most worried that illegal aliens DO care enough to show up in significant numbers? Wouldn’t that make them more responsible than their complacent, apathetic hosts? Wouldn’t that make them more deserving of the liberties that America offers and more deserving of the right to vote than people who squander simply because they don’t care enough not to? Just some food for thought.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            Your post indicates that you don’t vote. If you did, you would know that you already must check in, they find you on the roles and mark you off as having voted. Including your ID in that process will take about zero more seconds. Secondly, at least in my state, there is early voting and every time I do it, it’s in and out, no lines. I live in the 7th most populous city in the nation.

          • VaudeVillain

            I most certainly do vote. I’ve also verified ID and had my ID verified, and it takes substantially longer than 0 seconds even when the person doing the verification isn’t an overworked poll volunteer with insufficient equipment on which they have not been properly trained (which describes virtually every poll worker I’ve ever seen in any city with a population over 10,000 or so) and a strong incentive to get it done sooner rather than later.

          • sonicbphuct

            We can’t help you if you won’t help yourself. The reason everyone makes fun of you is because of things like this. When choosing words, avoid using true with things that have no bearing on truth. For example: you can say, “Is it true that you are a citizen of the United States of America?” but there is, in point of fact, no such thing as a “true” citizen. Unless you mean a perfectly round citizen. If that’s the case, then you’re much farther from graduating into Humanity than I’d originally assessed.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            Nobody is making fun of me except kooks like you. Your post makes no sense. You are either a true citizen or you are not.

          • sonicbphuct

            are you using True to mean Faithful? In which case, I suppose an untrue Citizen would have cheated on their country.

            Can you address your understanding of the word true (both in colloquial speech, and as a logic reference within the context of your highly marketable skills as a programer)?

          • Lookinfor Buford

            Sure I’ll waste some more time with you. True means the opposite of false. In programming, depending on the language, it generally defaults to meaning non-zero, but can be defined however you wish. A false citizen (in this context) would be someone who manages to vote who is not an actual citizen of the U.S. By voting, he has masqueraded as a citizen, but is in fact, not a true citizen. Of course, I know you understand this, and are simply doing your very best to discredit me. What’s the point little one? Even if you succeeded it would be a hollow victory.

          • sonicbphuct

            so, in programing, do you often find things masquerading as something else? If so, isn’t that just a bug and not, in fact, false? A statement may be true or false, but a person/citizen can never be true or false – only the statement “… is a citizen” can be true or false.

            But you’re right – it is a hollow victory. Going this far to point out to you the difference between false and fraudulent is a bit much.

            I suppose I just get annoyed with people who aren’t true thinkers.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            Who would that be? And again, I hope you are annoyed. A person using the title of citizen (i.e. masquerading), and performing the acts of a citizen, who is actually not a citizen, is not a true citizen of the U.S.

            And to answer your question, yes I do find constructs masquerading in code, and yes they are called bugs. If the construct can only possess one of two states, true or false, and it is supposed to be true, but is found to be incorrect, then it is, “in fact, false”.

  • lifobryan

    Time for some girls-night-out cocktails

    • Guest

      Can you do the same with obama face?.
      please!

      • ishmael2009

        People would shit if you did an Obama face like that.

        • lifobryan

          They’d shit in the cup??? Eewwwwww!!!

          • ishmael2009

            “Two Republicans, One Cup’

            The ultimate gross-out movie.

  • disconsolatechimera

    They never, ever think of unintended consequences. Someone says, “Well, what if…” They say “Hush your mouth.”

  • Juan

    The entire so called “electoral process” is a farce of the highest order. Everyone should boycot the damn thing. It is about as legit as any carny game at a third rate county fair in podunk nowhere.

    • Lookinfor Buford

      Why don’t you go blog about your own Country somewhere?

      • Juan

        Not interested; would rather just post the occasional comment here.
        Also, since I am not a nationalist, I do not identify with any country. Though I am, due to circumstance and historical accidents beyond my control, a US citizen. Nothing I can do about that at the moment . . .

        • Lookinfor Buford

          So, in your ultimate arrogance, you take your freedom to do the above completely for granted == born to be a slave, eventually.

          • Juan

            I’m already a slave, as are you, if you are not independently wealthy and have to actually work to collect a paycheck to feed and house yourself.
            Edit: How can one be born a slave “eventually?”

          • Lookinfor Buford

            I agree with you to a small degree. But although I have held a job for 20yrs, with no more than 10 days vac/year, and still not ahead of the game, I don’t see it that way for me personally. This is because I am fortunate to have worked hard to develop skills which will be marketable no matter what happens in this world (short of global annihilation), and because I have zero fear of fate. I’ll find a way to surf or ski, *and* feed my family, because I won’t settle for anything less.

            — yeah, that came off as arrogant.. what I’m trying to say is that we all have a choice. To me, quitting the grind and chillaxing would be it’s own kind of slavery.

          • atlanticus

            “This is because I am fortunate to have worked hard to develop skills
            which will be marketable no matter what happens in this world”

            What an idealistic dreamer!

            I don’t care what you do; you can always be replaced. Seriously, tell me what skills you think are so unique to you that they can never be equaled by someone overseas, let alone a machine?

          • Lookinfor Buford

            I said my skills were marketable, not irreplaceable. My statement points out that regardless of who is in power, what fate befalls our country, the world.. the need for technologists and software engineers will remain for the foreseeable future. My skills are not skimpy in this realm, but bona fide. It’s not idealistic at all to embrace the reality we live in.

          • atlanticus

            The reality you live in is that a growing portion of the populations of India and China can do everything you can for much less money.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            Once again showing your boob-toob education charlotte. Your statement is irrelevant on many levels. Do they have the raw ability? Yes. But they are still no threat to me. It doesn’t matter if they ever do get on perfectly equal footing, I will still have the means to compete with them, and survive. I’m not above taking less money if that’s what the market will bear. If you haven’t noticed, despite the waves of tech people coming from all over the world, there is still a shortage. That shortage will grow as we become more entrenched in technology.
            About 1 in 5 CS graduates, or “programmers” truly are worth there salt. I’ve been told by multiple interviewers, who had us write test code as part of the process, that I would be amazed how many people claim to be programmers, but simply can’t do it.
            The reality is demand for these skills will grow, and supply will not keep up for a long time to come. Furthermore, even if the economy collapsed, wars break out, we become communist, whetevs.. The need will still be there.
            Go ahead keep trying to convince me otherwise. I’ll just keep getting on..

          • oneironauticus

            “Once again showing your boob-toob education charlotte.”

            I don’t have a TV. Once again, proving how old and out of touch you are. NO ONE WATCHES TV ANYMORE, GRANDPA.

            I actually work with people over-seas, who are sometimes doing work very likely similar to what you do, daily. I didn’t even read the rest of your comment, because you’re clearly a moron and you’re wasting my time. It’s not even entertaining anymore.

          • jnana

            yer fate is dependent on a system on the brink of collapse… resources are limited and we consume too much to sustain the lifestyle we are used to. modern civilization is a small blip in the history of the world. an ephemeral bubble.

          • jnana

            that person who is independently wealthy is more of a slave than the rest. quite frankly, nearly every being in physical existence is a slave. its the nature of life in the world. you didn’t choose to be embodied, you don’t choose anything, really. you do what yer told, be it by the gov’t or by the archons overseeing this world. until you have realized yer Godhood and transcended Fate, you are destined to abject slavery, having no choice in the matrix.
            Born this Way?
            Until I died and was born again. Now, I gotta choice in the matter.

          • Andrew

            What kind of god can be embodied against its will?

          • jnana

            A god who forgets its godhood.
            And what kind of god forgets?
            one who was deceived by the Darkness.
            (this cosmology only makes since in the context of dualism, the Zoroastrian kind particularly).

            im not claiming gnostic dualist cosmology is totally rational and/or explainable the way I understand it, but I think its the most rational cosmology I’ve heard and I have a feeling the kinks can be worked out. it at least makes a good thought experiment

          • Andrew

            Seems to me that if a god can be deceived by the darkness, then the darkness is inherently more powerful than the god.

          • atlanticus

            *mumble* something about candles…*mumble*

          • Calypso_1

            Behealdan the Hant off Glorie.

          • jnana

            strange picture… a common experience of people astral projecting is looking at their hands and seeing their fingers melt like candles .

          • Calypso_1

            have you not come upon the lore of the hand of glory in your readings? interesting you should note astral projection given the hands association w/ paralysis.

          • jnana

            can’t say I have. what exactly is it?
            can’t s

          • Calypso_1

            I would say it is one of the more interesting relics of european necromancy to evidence a dualistic left/right tantric/bonist type mystery cult. whether the tenuous connections to xtianity are grafted or genuine I know not.

          • jnana

            the group is called the hand of glory or is it a found relic which they used?

          • echar

            Pshaw, it’s in no way as interesting as the hip of irony.

          • Calypso_1

            indeed. and we shall not mention the mysteries which connect between such ironies and the patella of parsimony.

          • oneironauticus

            What of the clavicle of carphology?

          • Calypso_1

            Truly, you are wise in the anatomical arcana.

          • jnana

            ever read much of joseph Campbell, particularly his books on the hero myths? there is a common motif in hero myths about the hero who is eaten by a monster, either by choice or force. the hero is poison to the monster and vanquishes it. perhaps, that is what has happened to us. maybe we did choose to come down here to destroy the monster or maybe he captured us, but ultimately he destroys himself when he consumes us. this can be compared to what can happen to a psychic vampire. they may try to consume the energy of the wrong person.

          • jnana

            also, according to Manichaean thought, evil wins the battles of this world but loses the war. that is because good doesn’t impose its will and use force, per se. evil, by its nature, is manipulative and uses force to overwhelm the Good. so, in this world good may lose. in the context of eternity, though, Good is victorious.
            for a good overview of gnostic cosmology(there isn’t a gnostic orthodoxy, so gnostic cosmology can be quite diverse), try reading The Gnostic Religion by Hans Jonas

      • oneironauticus

        WOW, WHAT A CRAZY HYPOCRITE.

        You accused bobbiethejean and I of making racial comments towards Picky Wassah (never happened), when here you assume Juan isn’t American by his name?? Jesus Christ, man…are you even aware we can read all of your comments?

  • Lookinfor Buford

    Please explain the difference in complication between obtaining a Photo I.D. which you can get at any DPS office, and obtaining a voter registration card, which has always been required.

    • jnana

      $$$

      • Lookinfor Buford

        $1.50 / year

        • jnana

          last time I had to get an I.D. it cost me about 30$. it doesn’t really seem like much, but it can be for the destitute. not only that, but it shouldn’t cost anything to vote. am I wrong?

          • emperorreagan

            Also factor in the department of motor vehicles. In Baltimore City, for instance, there are two offices. They’re open 8:30-4:30, M-F and 8:30 to Noon on Saturday. They’re closed or have extremely truncated hours on and around holidays.

            Those hours coupled with navigating public transit and waiting in lines once you’re there create a burden for the working poor.

            The documentation is another issue. For a name change, for instance, you need to obtain an officially notarized copy of the marriage certificate from the state – a copy signed by the minister who performed the ceremony isn’t good enough. Likewise, you’re required to obtain an original or certified birth certificate (hence the complaints about excluding the elderly by changing voter registration laws). So on to the fee and time for the ID alone, tack on the time and fees to obtain official notarized documents and the knowledge to navigate the system to do so.

            You could historically register to vote by mail.

            Then, at least, minimizing the value of your vote is accomplished through gerrymandering and procedures to run for office that basically preclude all but the anointed candidates. Not actively excluding people.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            In Texas? No, it didn’t.

  • InfvoCuernos

    Fuck both of you fucking asshats. If you think you have a horse in this race, you are part of the problem. Both parties are manipulating the voting system grossly here and across the board, and if you think any of these arguments is “valid” as to how it affects the average citizen, then you have blinders on. Both sides are wrestling for an artificial advantage at the poll, just as has been done from the start. Crooked voting is an American tradition as old as America itself.

    • emperorreagan

      Who would expect anything else?

      Rich white dudes were pissed that even richer white dudes didn’t care what they thought. Then they wrote new rules so they could be the new richest white dudes and not care what anyone else though.

  • Tuna Ghost

    Hold on, I’m must be missing something–just because a woman gets married, her legal name doesn’t change to her husband’s name. There are a bunch of forms to be filled out to legally change your name no matter the reason, and then new documents are issued to you so that you can update your driver’s license and passport and whatnot. Until she does that, her legal name is the name she was born with. Changing your legal name would necessarily provide you with those documents, since those IDs would then have to be changed very quickly to avoid a shit-ton of issues.

    “66% of woman have ready access to a photo document that will attest to proof of citizenship”. Is that number significantly different for men? What percentage of people in Texas have passports or military IDs? I’m not seeing how that statistic is relevant to the article. Same for “98% of men are home free”. There’s no guarantee–in fact it is highly unlikely–that 98% of the men in Texas have photo proof of citizenship.

    I don’t trust Texas or Texans in general, but they’re using some piss-poor reasoning here.

    • atlanticus

      Well, there would be a significantly higher number of military ID’s issued to men, so there would be an increased percentage of men who have *either* a driver’s license or a military ID, at the minimum…

      I’m not certain what the exact laws for marriage name-changes are in Texas, but the last non-specifically-religious wedding I remember attending, it appeared as though there was just a simple form to sign…the judge was already officiating the ceremony, so that’s that as far as name changes go. I’m not sure how much time they were allotted afterward to change other documents…

      p.s. “I don’t trust Texas or Texans in general…” *sigh*

      • Tuna Ghost

        In Texas changing one’s name requires forms to be notarized as well as having one’s fingerprints on file, and then taking all that crap to a judge. The requirements differ from state-to-state and sometimes even county-by-county, but it is never as easy as just signing a piece of paper at a wedding.

        A driver’s license does not count as proof of citizenship. How could it, when non-citizens can acquire one? A photo ID that counts as proof of citizenship would be either a passport, military ID, or a state-issued ID that is obtained with a birth certificate or social security card. Members of the US military in Texas might be predominantly male, but that doesn’t change the fact that the stats being used in this article are incredibly misleading.

        • atlanticus

          You said: “and then taking all that crap to a judge.”

          I said: “the judge was already officiating the ceremony”

          As for DL not being “photo ID”, I had no idea, since I look at ID’s all day long (mostly DL’s) at my job and it’s good enough for the legal requirements for that…(I can’t get into details…I’m just saying I was making an assumption based on my daily experience).

          Good thing I have a passport, since my name was changed when I was adopted, so it’s different from my birth certificate…I could have been one of the people left out. In fact, it just occurred to me that the few men this could potentially affect are adopted men.

          • Tuna Ghost

            It’s not just one piece of paper that needs to be signed and then it’s over. Several documents need to be signed, then notarized, then processed, then given to other parties for processing. It’s not a simple thing. It’s not supposed to be.

            Whether a driver’s license is acceptable ID for a bar or for Western Union is irrelevant. A driver’s license isn’t proof of citizenship and it never has been. Again, how could it be? Non-citizens are eligible for driver’s licenses.

          • oneironauticus

            “Again, how could it be? Non-citizens are eligible for driver’s licenses.”

            I didn’t realize that because we have to enter a U.S. address…well, anyway, now I know. I can’t be an encyclopedia about everything. :P

  • callmebc

    There is a reason why these “Voter ID” laws are properly called “Voter Suppression” laws. To the semi-literate, they might seem like simple common sense laws – show an ID the same way you need to show an ID for other things, and who knows how many illegal voters are affecting elections. But people who aren’t history and fact-impaired dummies know that not only is there no evidence whatsoever that fraudulent voting amounts to any sort of problem, but that basic election mismanagement is a much more serious concern (those right wing stories about dead people voting are mostly if not completely caused by poor management of registered voters.)

    Also, on the historical side, this is just the latest in a series of attempts by the modern GOP to affect elections by weaselly laws (and dirty tricks) to marginalize minorities, the poor, and increasingly the elderly. There is a depressing report from 2004 titled “The Long Shadow of Jim Crow: Voter Intimidation and Suppression in America Today” that loaded with examples of bad behavior you would have thought had disappeared from American politics decades ago, but no. And things have not exactly improved since.

    • Relient

      Texas has had 37 Known voter fraud cases since 2000.

      • callmebc

        They likely messed up at least 1000 times that number from screw-ups, faulty voting machines, and plain old deliberate shenanigans by election officials and workers. Apparently South Texas in particular could challenge Florida and Ohio for how not to run elections.

  • MrsAnomalon

    Another good reason not to take another person’s name..

  • Relient

    Next they will restrict women from running for office. After that they won’t be able to get a drivers license. Next comes the burqa. This when the women leave. After that the old white men in charge will introduce camels as the primary mode of transportation. Then they can change their state motto to “Texas where men are lonely and the cattle are terrified”.

    • atlanticus

      Did you ever read/see “The Handmaid’s Tale”? Just what *would* happen if fundamentalist Christianity took over?

      • Relient

        No, I never read it except for a quick synopsis. It sounds depressing. The idea of the United States turning into a theocracy is to me absolutely horrific. I would oppose this. I don’t dislike Christians I just don’t want to talk to them any more than say the mentally ill.

        • atlanticus

          It is pretty depressing…no happy ending, either.

  • Jon Nixon

    Who cares? When Texas succeeds from the union, women will be forbidden to read anything but the Bible, and will be too busy with their biscuits and buns to worry about voting……..

  • Frater Isla

    I think this comment thread has officially burned my brain out.

  • David Evans

    Ok, this is called being proactive. It’s bureaucratic red tape. It’s not infringing on civil rights. This article was a waste of time.

  • Marcus Rhodes

    Wow! Thanks for letting me know that I was doing such sinister things. I had no idea. I’ll stop right now. Oh. Wait. I have to have current id just to drive, get a job, check a DVD out from the library … what are those other 34% of women doing? And why are you portraying this as some sort of attempt to shuttle gypsies off to Bergen Belsen? The Nazis, after all, were neither right radicals nor ‘extreme conservatives’ (the oxymoron of the year). They were/are The National Socialist German Worker’s Party, and Hitler himself declared them to be essentially identical to Lenin’s Bolsheviks. The sort of people who literally wanted to throw wide the doors to everyone they could stuff into a polling place. Until they were done with them. Then came the concentration camps and gulags. Figure it out, you liar!

  • http://skadhiblog.wordpress.com/ skadhithjassisdottir

    No sense in women voting anyway, look at what democratic elections have allowed. Or not – people pull the strings behind the scenes. And not ‘the people’.

  • WiredPixel

    “It’s no longer just about minorities, the poor, and college students; introducing the next target for disenfranchisement.”
    Oh, come now. I’ll admit that Texas is a bit backwards, but that’s just mindless, untrue slander against Republicans. I mean, targeting minorities for disenfranchisement? For fuck’s sake, the Republican party was started as an anti-slavery party, and it was the democrats who fought for slavery, and then, after they lost, passed the horrible Jim Crow laws that kept blacks segregated. T’is not right.

  • atlanticus

    Where are you people coming from? Did someone re-post this on Drudge Report or some shit like that?

  • atlanticus

    What a…bizarre person you are.

    It doesn’t take much scrolling through your other comments on disqus to see this is a pattern for you…”childish outbursts” indeed.

    One would imagine that seeking out random article comments to insult strangers is the only way you can get hard anymore, after the porn and viagra stopped working…I’m almost sorry for you.

  • Calypso_1

    I’m loathe to consider the nature of womankind that would ‘find’ you.

  • atlanticus

    Hush now closet-case.

  • Calypso_1

    There used to be days when 4chan would stumble through. Now & again it seems to be breitbartians.

  • atlanticus

    Amazing, isn’t it? It must have taken them this long to become internet-savvy enough to realize they can visit other websites…

  • atlanticus

    :D

    GOTCHA.

  • nilbud

    Your opinion is worthless.

  • Calypso_1

    It depends on if a CPT code is assigned.

  • bobbiethejean

    Did you miss the part where I told you to stop talking to me? I don’t want to see your illogical, slimy filth in my inbox. STOP.

  • oneironauticus

    “this garbage article is blaming the republicans as racist”

    WHERE? The article claims the law is “sexist”, not “racist”…now you’re just making up things.

  • Guest

    So I’m receiving advice from a welfare recipient…great..exactly what I need to get educated…
    Can you please stop accusing me for what you are …is getting boring…any other tricks, clown?

  • Andrew

    (It’s called psychological projection.)

  • Lookinfor Buford

    Indoctrinated slave.

  • nilbud

    That’s how you look at education you homeschooled vermin.

  • bobbiethejean

    I’m not a welfare recipient, you clown. I work 14 hours day as a self-employed artist and I’m doing well enough. If there’s one thing I know about conservatards, it’s that they are often hypocritical and projecting which tells me YOU are probably a welfare recipient. Not that there’s anything wrong with needing welfare. Some people can’t take care of themselves because they are disabled, mentally, physically, or otherwise.

    Anyway, you can stop now. You’re only making yourself look ridiculous and you’re annoying me. Stop drinking the Fox News Koolaid and spend some damn time on wikipedia.

  • Guest

    Wikipedia IS Nazi Propaganda…that’s explains it all!

    A self employ lazy ass artist is not a real carrier, but clown is and I see you da that very well.

    Anyway, you can stop now.

    You’re only making yourself look ridiculous?.
    As soon as you call me racist I know I won the argument.
    As it means the escape of the communist to run like cowrds…so please go ahead…
    And I’m not conservative or Liberal, I’m Awake!
    I stop dinking the Kool aid a long time ago…you should the same…

  • oneironauticus

    You’re a real loon. O_o

  • oneironauticus

    “A self employ lazy ass artist is not a real carrier”

    Right. A “real carrier”, like say, Donald Trump? Kim Kardashian? Is Beyonce a “real carrier”?

    Oh, I’m sorry, let me think of some Latino examples…hm…is Oswaldo Sanchez a “real carrier”? (I just searched that…I don’t know anything about sports…)

    What do you do?

  • bobbiethejean

    No one who knows me would ever call me lazy. In fact I am fairly well known in art circles for being extremely industrious and detail-obsessed. Do you like being wrong all the time or is it just a co-morbidity to your rampant willful-ignorance? Oh and you lost the moment you started name calling. Also, I’m pretty sure I never called you racist anywhere so that’s very telling that you would even say that.

  • Guest

    wow, i though you stop trolling my posts as several of you don’t work for a living,,,
    So anything that is not related to the original post is trolling…
    You are not allow to vote if you are not a USA citizen.
    and yes, you are racist!. Like all democrats that support the KKK.
    did you notice that we don’t have that problem before 2008?

  • oneironauticus

    Gibberish. Absolute gibberish. You should stand on a street corner and yell these things through a megaphone. I’d give you a dollar.

  • Guest

    You are like a bratty 5 year old little prick that is jumping up and down and spitting in the floor…
    Consider that all the garbage that you are posting is irrelevant to the actual article.
    Anything besides, If you are not an American You are not allow to vote, this is why We Ask for ID !
    You call me a clown and you accusing me of name calling?…Well You are stupid and that is fact…no name calling!
    Happy?
    Any other opinion about you stupid live is irrelevant, and by the way Trolling. Can you pot head can comprehend the message or I have to bring the Crayons too?

  • bobbiethejean

    All the “garbage” I’m posting is in response to the utter dross YOU are posting. I’d also like to note that it’s hilarious you’re calling me a bratty little 5 year old prick when you’re the one doing most of the name calling here. Not to mention baselessly accusing me of being lazy because I do something a little more intellectually elevated than whatever menial wash-rinse-repeat task you were appointed straight out of your third try in jr. high.
    You are spouting the EXACT brand of nonsense to be found on Fox News and you don’t actually understand the definitions of the vocab words you are slinging around. If you did, it might then be possible to have some kind of an intelligent conversation with you. Until then, I’m done. I have no vested interest in trying to fix your various mental issues. I believe Ron White had something fairly potent to say on that matter.

  • Picky Wassah

    Your Stupid Garbage is Trolling as everything you said is unrelated to the article…I not even going to proof my point of the length of your STUPIDITY..as you just prove for me…

    Grow up bro and open your eyes. I don’t watch Fox or the brainwash media.

    let me know when you stop spitting in the floor.

    Your ranting is getting boring…

  • bobbiethejean

    You can call me stupid all you want, it doesn’t mean anything because you’ve shown that you actually are quite dain-bramaged. So your assessment of my intelligence is utterly meaningless.

    I would sincerely suggest actually looking up the definitions of a lot of those buzzwords you’re using because you really do not know what they mean and it’s baffling how you can bandy them about with no concern about how absurd that makes you look. I, for one, try never to have strong, conclusive opinions about things I don’t understand. You seem to be making a career out of it. I’m done with you. My limit for idiocy has been breached. Good day.

  • Picky Wassah

    For 100 time!

    like a bratty little prick.

    ****The original post is What the Republicans have to do with asking for ID to vote?…
    If you are not a legal citizen you are not allow to vote…****
    Any other conversation away from that is trolling…
    So
    please stop you Nazi propaganda as it does not have anything to do with his article!

  • Picky Wassah

    The original post is What the Republicans have to do with asking for ID to vote?…
    If you are not a legal citizen you are not allow to vote…****
    Any other conversation away from that is trolling…
    So
    please stop you Nazi propaganda as it does not have anything to do with his article!

  • Picky Wassah

    Like a good troll, You several degrees to reach a correct diagnosis?
    Any post that are related to the article is TROLLING!
    That makes you very much a psycho!

  • bobbiethejean

    This isn’t Nazi propaganda. The voter law would affect women unduly and illegals are already not allowed to vote anyway already, anywhere, EVER. It is obviously a ploy to keep as many women from voting as possible because women notoriously vote liberal. This is all fact. I’m not making any of it up. So you can stop calling it propaganda….. oh look! Yet another word you don’t seem to know the meaning of. Shocking.

    And secondly, you’re the clown who started the name-calling train that has gone on forever. According to your own definition of what constitutes trolling, you are the BIGGEST troll here.

  • Picky Wassah

    ????because women notoriously vote liberal. This is all fact.????
    Well what about the other 49% that did not vote for the communist party?….well that is real fact or you.
    Accusing me fro what you are just prove my point…Thanks!
    See how nice is defunct you lies without adding garbage of you life in the discussion…

  • Picky Wassah

    Let me remind you that I post my facts and you went over talking stuff unrelated to the my post and the article…you reply to me no I did not reply to any of your main post…that makes you the Paid Troll.
    Propaganda is Pushing the Nazi agenda and discrediting anybody that is not pro-communism.

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