• swabby429

    Glad to be vegetarian since 1965.

  • emperorreagan

    Shiro & injera is a way better thanksgiving dinner than turkey, anyway.

  • Anarchy Pony

    What, no vid of caribou barbie with the turkey getting killed in the background?

    • Matt Staggs

      I didn’t learn about this until my own Thanksgiving holiday ordeal was underway. It would have worked better, but then again, I thought that the Peta footage would be enough to stir debate just on the basis of its origin.

  • Cortacespedes

    CAFOs are criminal. All of them.

  • Bluebird_of_Fastidiousness

    Much of vegan propaganda is premised on the idea that industrial scale meat production and slaughter is unethical. It is therefore proposed that the consumption of the flesh of animals, and correspondingly the continued domestication of animals (including humans), is immoral. Never do they address the underlying concept of industrial capitalism, which corrupts all things, whatever arbitrary dietary choices to which one adheres.

    That is the conveyor we find ourselves upon. The video shows us what we can expect.

    • Andrew

      Here’s hoping we don’t get paralyzed, so we can spray our blood everywhere during our dying agonies.

      • Bluebird_of_Fastidiousness

        Let’s cast our bodies upon the gears till our sinew warps the cogs and the machine collapses under the heaving mass of our viscera.

    • Kevin Leonard

      Are you suggesting that this video is propaganda?

      • Bluebird_of_Fastidiousness

        Some of the most effective forms of propaganda leverage factual evidence to convince others to believe or behave a certain way. The term ‘propaganda’ does connotate a degree of negativity. This probably arises from the inherent deception required to sneak a premise past the target of the publication; a lie of omission.

        The unspoken claim here is that eating meat requires the industrial torment of sentient beings. I challenge that assertion. Not that the behaivior displayed in the video isn’t abhorrent. Plainly, it is. But I believe that a responsible existence on this planet necessarily involves interacting with other living things in ways that some things live and other things die. In some ways this statement seems so facile as to render it a cypher in the dialog, but not so. Through an honest admission of this fact and a desire to utilize the bounty of this world and not waste it, I advance an conscientious omnivorous diet as the most ethical and ecologically sound model of nutrition for people in my region.

        • Kevin Leonard

          Mate, an unspoken claim cannot be an assertion.

          I suppose, by a strict definition, this can be considered propaganda. However, if they had simply not suggested people “go vegetarian,” this would not be the case.

          • Bluebird_of_Fastidiousness

            Implication is the driving force of propaganda. No assertion was specified, and so cannot be refuted, and yet the imprinting idea is internalized. That’s why it’s not an honest form of debate.

          • Kevin Leonard

            It doesn’t change the fact you are arguing against a shadow. Just say “Fuck PETA” and get over it. Or point to the propaganda of the meat and dairy industry at the same time. Your position isn’t any more honest.

          • Bluebird_of_Fastidiousness

            It’s pretty easy to change your avatar. I’ve done it a few times now.

            The thing is PETA does enrage me, but it’s because many of them come so close to getting it right, and then go into full denial mode in order to protect their industrialized identity. They care enough to face some disturbing stuff, but not the carnal nature of living on this amazing planet.

            Agribusiness lies much more effectively and with substantially greater disparity from physical reality. But the industry lies to other people. The vegans are lying to themselves. I’m not sure why, but I have more contempt for the latter. I think it might be out of frustration.

            I try to make my position clear and as honest as possible. Family farmers, working with the land and their community (both ecological and human) can fix this world. A big part of that means working with (and as) animals. And part of that means utilizing animal products, including flesh.

            A healthy relationship to that experience is as far from factory farming as a healthy sexual relationship is to modern pornography. Abstinence is equally misguided and unhealthy. It should be context driven and wrought with self exploration. It’s deeply personal and interpersonal. And it involves participating in the most dramatic features of existence, including birth and inevitably death. Denying that path is tantamount to appeasing the evil of the industrial pathology which destroys our living world, our only home.

          • Kevin Leonard

            I’ll just hide behind my real name, if that’s okay with you.

            It’s too bad there is no PETA rep here for you to argue with.

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