Inside the Zeitgeist Revolution | Exclusive Interview with Peter Joseph

Abby Martin speaks with Peter Joseph, founder of the Zeitgeist Movement about the philosophy behind the organization, the unsustainability of the current economic system and the model proposed by the movement for a sustainable future that works harmoniously with nature.

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  • Juan

    Brilliant.
    I guess this guy will continue to draw breath as long as the ideas he and his group are espousing remain marginalized. When they start to gain traction . . . Let’s just say this monster (current rigged game/corporate-state capitalism) is not going away without a fight.

    • moremisinformation

      they’ve already gained traction…https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Union

      • Juan

        I did not understand the down vote until I clicked on your link. Ok, that’s another one from me, douche nozzle.

        • Rhoid Rager

          lol. i think he used to have the handle ‘less than tolerant’ and spouted off suspiciously fascist-sounding ‘anti-liberal’ rhetoric.

          • Juan

            Oh, I thought it may have been Looking For Bufrod under another name.

          • echar

            It could all be the same person, mind you.

          • Lookinfor Buford

            Lookingfor Buford is just Looking for Buford, and I’m just a regular guy. I hope that brings sweet dreams to you all. g’night.

          • jnana

            I doubt that, because I’ve seen misinformation’s posts here before. he seems to espouse typical libertarian views. but nothing as extreme as lessthantolerant’s.

      • gustave courbet

        So you are of the “Everything is fine” hedge fund manager, oil company CEO, national security contractor camp?

        • Juan

          Prolly just another dumbshit, ‘Murika zombie. They are legion.

          • gustave courbet

            True. I hope it’s not the DOD, wasting their sock puppet armies on disinfo.

          • moremisinformation

            “Prolly”. “Murika”. The intellect staggers.

        • moremisinformation

          The false dichotomy is strong with this one.

          Clearly the choice is either your hyperbole or Peter Joseph’s utopia. I’ll have to get back to you on which one I choose.

          • gustave courbet

            To take a little walk down memory lane: I was responding to your posting a link to Wikipedia’s article on the USSR (I assume you were drawing broad parallels between vaguely related concepts so I thought I’d jump into the fray and give it a try). PS- I’m not a drinker of PJ’s or anyone else’s Kool-aid, but I’m willing to listen to anyone’s ideas.

          • moremisinformation

            Fair enough. I’m willing to listen as well. Some of his broad generalizations about ‘the way things work’, I can even get on board with.

            However, he does have some extremely creepy, I don’t know, totalitarian, utopian, socialist ideology and I think we already have several dysfunctional (to say the least) outcomes for the scientific management of society.

        • jnana

          I don’t really buy this zeitgeist shit, either. I really wouldn’t be surprised if it was organized by some of the elite. or at least they are deceived in thinking they are a vanguard of socialist elite who will usher a utopia for the workers. like we haven’t heard that from some power mongers.
          y’know its not necessary to be either a socialist or a capitalist. there are plenty of alternatives.

          • gustave courbet

            I don’t particularly ‘buy’ what PJ’s selling either, but he is clearly a thoughtful person who is willing to look reality in the face. I don’t generally agree with the totality of anyone’s conclusions or solutions, but this guy is operating on a level of nuance that I rarely see in popular discourse, and I find that refreshing. I hear the astro-turphing argument a lot in the fringe media: “Peter Joseph is a closet member of the illuminati, etc,” and I don’t see much evidence for that but I agree with you about the false choice between socialism and capitalism.

  • echar

    Fantastic

  • salviad

    Excellent!

  • moremisinformation

    I don’t think I’ve ever heard anyone use more words, to say less.

    Joseph seems to have a lot of unchecked aggression. His talk of humans-as-destroyer-of-earth (very real human pollution notwithstanding) and destroyer of other creatures completely ignores evidence, for instance that, moving into the last ice age, more mammals went extinct that currently exist on the planet…combustion engine didn’t exist.

    Please computers…programmed by humans…save us from humans.

    • gustave courbet

      I assume you’re aware of the theorized role of human predation in the Pleistocene megafauna extinction, all without fossil fuels.

      • moremisinformation

        Yes, I am aware of that theory. I assume you’re aware of the counter theories? Also, all without fossil fuels.

  • Rhoid Rager

    I think Joseph repeats some very important criticisms–‘structural violence’, for example was first defined by Johan Galtung; but, I feel that unless he explicitly targets usury as a systemic cause of all of the problems he outlines in this interview, then there won’t be much more elucidation as to what exactly we can do. I should probably start writing my own book soon, but I think the world can wait a bit longer… :P

    • kowalityjesus

      usury…it makes sense from a property-owners perspective, but not from God’s, and God owns everything.

      • Rhoid Rager

        Checkmate!

      • Rhoid Rager

        What I should have said is that usury is above god. Usury creates something from nothing. That’s not even something god could do: god created the universe with words.

        • Andrew

          Usury creates debtmoney from debtmoney.

          • Rhoid Rager

            On the books, yes. But the real-world effects of usury are an attempt to contradict the 1st law of thermodynamics. Usury creates a vacuum in the economy which must be filled because trust is enforced mercilessly.

      • jnana

        I would say god is above the concept of ownership. I doubt he’s that selfish.

        • Andrew

          Then on what grounds does God base It’s authority?

          • jnana

            Gnothi Seauton
            Know thyself and you will know God.
            Authority? To do what? To be? To act?
            He is who He is and does as He wills.
            And you can, too.

          • Andrew

            Scio Non Scire

          • jnana

            I prefer the operation ivy version of that latin sayin. ;)

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cS1DgpNGy78

          • jnana

            and yet you still think, speak, and act.
            plus, that is quite a paradox. if you know you know nothing, then you know something.

          • Andrew

            Then I must not even know if I know anything.

  • kowalityjesus

    While I don’t agree with EVERYTHING he said, and I think some of his blame/reasoning is a bit off the mark or out of place, this guy is seriously brilliant and really raises the bar.

  • tibby trillz

    i really liked a lot of what was said in the 2 zeitgeist docs i saw but the solution to build completely new cities just seems incredibly wasteful. also, aerial street designs have already happenned. buffallo new york has one. its confusing as hell. everybody who hasnt lived there for a long time gets lost trying to drive around the city. i guess problem solved if there was mass transit instead of cars though.

  • jnana

    his face will look really good on the posters and tshirts they sell. beats the hell out of marx, almost as cool as che, and expresses just enough uniqueness to be a leader and has just the right amount of facial hair to be hip

    • kowalityjesus

      lol

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