The People Would Be Just As Noisy…

95f88699ae2b26bb64fcdfb923cabf7a“The people have spoken, but it will take a while to determine exactly what they said”

– Bill Clinton

Comedian Russell Brand has initiated a debate in the UK about whether it’s worth voting. A significant stir was made on Her Majesty’s BBC when he called for a revolution and told the interviewer it’s not worth voting: “Why pretend? Why be complicit in this ridiculous illusion?”.

The Guardian newspaper carries an opinion piece from him, which Disinfonaughts might like to make an evaluation of: RUSSELL BRAND WE DESERVE MORE FROM OUR DEMOCRATIC SYSTEM.

From my point of view he seems sincere. Perhaps I’m sympathetic because he appears so well versed in the subcultures which Disinfo has faithfully served since the days of Netscape (ask your Grandad). Or maybe it’s that he’s talking in a manner which suggests he’s been paying close attention to his influences, the most prominent of which is a personal favorite of mine, reptilian conspiracy theory espousing ex-TV presenter David Icke.

However, so off message have Brand’s outbursts become that even members of the UK’s comedy establishment are taking issue with him. Revolution “ends in death camps, gulags, repression and murder” fumes Oxbridge graduate and BBC star, Robert Webb, in a critique posted as an open letter to, The New Statesman, a “left leaning” political magazine Brand guest edited the previous week.

In fact Webb claims he was so horrified by Brand’s irresponsible message to ‘the kids’ that he’s joined the UK’s Labour party. Webb’s concerns, that to deny yourself the vote is to deny yourself a voice, are in my opinion alike to his decision to join the establishment and their political “left wing” The Labour Party: misplaced and out of date. The idea Brand is about to lead a violent revolution in Britain is more than a little absurd, proof that taking a comedian too seriously rarely pays off. However, even if he did, the nightmare scenario Webb describes is informed by the conditions of the past and ignores the new realities of our present and possible future.

Previously revolutions have been co-opted by the following mechanism:

someone with enough thugs on their side and a knack for mass communication steps up onto a soapbox and tells the people what the people want.

Thanks to the internet, this may no longer be possible because “the people” have a voice and need no one to speak for them. The technology I’m using is the closest we’ve ever had to a collective voice. The beauty of it is that unlike any previous manifestation in history you can use it to tell me, from your perspective, whether I’m wrong, or right, or almost there. As long as internet articles without comments sections look incomplete and search engines continue to provide a thousand different possible answers to a single question we’re on reasonably safe ground. The push for free expression online continues and if we all keep our nerve in the face of the authorities and their desperate attempts to silence us a new form of democratic engagement starts to look almost inevitable. Brand appears to acknowledge this in his Guardian piece, “I don’t need to come with ideas, we can all participate. I’m happy to be a part of the conversation”. Perhaps what’s starting to look inevitable in our future is what I’d term, for want of a better phrase, a “wiki-revolution”.

The fact of the matter is this, had the internet existed during the French Revolution the likes of Robespierre would never have prospered. Powerful counter narratives to his speeches would’ve appeared the moment his thoughts were impressed upon the world wide web. This is true of all the revolutions that have been betrayed by articulate demagogues and charlatans over the last few hundred years. If you claim your authority as a “voice of the people” you will require a standard of proof not previously available and in the long run I suspect that few will have the audacity to adopt such a pose. Those following developments in Egypt and the so-called Arab Spring are likely to have interesting perspectives on this.

Ironically this democratising force behind the communications era is one of the problems driving the zeitgeist Brand is a symptom of. The UK’s political establishment has, over the last fifty years or so, been able to pass a number of laws, in accordance with a wider agenda, without any apparent popular democratic support. For example, the European Union, which Britain is now part of, was never voted for by the general public, the most they signed up for was a trading agreement. The abolition of the death penalty was not supported by a majority of the British public, nor do a majority of Brits believe in man made global warming or have ever articulated support for anti-smoking laws. We were never asked about bank bail outs, the war in Iraq had over a million people on the streets marching against it. The list goes on and on. “The business of Government” in the UK ignores the will of the people as a matter of routine and few believe otherwise.

Regardless of whether or not you agree with the agenda they’ve been following, or like the changes to your life that have been handed down by our political masters, one thing it’s hard to pretend is that the will of the people is reflected by these so-called leaders of men. This is because the political elites still live in a world where they think they can stand on a soapbox and tell ‘the people’ what ‘the people’ want. That world has vanished now and as a mode of control the technique is as absurd as me telling a grown adult to behave themselves or Santa won’t give them any Xmas presents.

If we all collude and collaborate together we can design a new system that makes the current one obsolete. The reality is there are alternatives. That is the terrifying truth that the media, government and big business work so hard to conceal. Even the outlet that printed this will tomorrow print a couple of columns saying what a naïve wanker I am, or try to find ways that I’ve fucked up. Well I am naïve and I have fucked up but I tell you something else. I believe in change. I don’t mind getting my hands dirty because my hands are dirty already. I don’t mind giving my life to this because I’m only alive because of the compassion and love of others. Men and women strong enough to defy this system and live according to higher laws. This is a journey we can all go on together, all of us. We can include everyone and fear no one. A system that serves the planet and the people. I’d vote for that.


In short it doesn’t matter if you agree with Brand’s statist orthodox-left tendencies, the sentiment driving him forward is coming from our subculture and as a result it’s one I believe the establishment will not be able to control.

Nick Margerrison.

Nick Margerrison

I write on Disinfo for fun, I've been a fan of the company for years.

In the real world I'm a freelance TV/radio presenter. I've worked for LBC, Kerrang Radio, The Bay, Edge Media TV, Hallam FM and The BBC.

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63 Comments on "The People Would Be Just As Noisy…"

  1. Ted Heistman | Nov 6, 2013 at 12:23 pm |

    Yeah, that’s kind of how I feel. I give him props for mention Snowden, NDAA etc.

    • I’m curious to know what you think about “The Snowden Affair” Ted. You think it is a limmited hangout, legit whistle blowing or something else?

      • Ted Heistman | Nov 6, 2013 at 1:29 pm |

        well I don’t know most of the specifics. But I think most of these cloak and dagger things are kind of like this:

        Most of the public are naive, to some basic things, but often things aren’t as tightly orchestrated as many conspiracy theorists put out there.

        The FBI spies on the CIA etc. I think the upper eschelons of power are like this quote in the movie “rounders” in a scene where all these card sharks who hated each other worked together to fleece tourists at a poker game:

        “We’re not playing together. But then again, we’re not playing against each other either. It’s like the Nature Channel. You don’t see piranhas eating each other, do you?”

        Its like these intelligence agencies have lots of dirty secrets on each other they keep from the public out of mutual self interest. But they don’t all work tightly together like a well oiled machine or anything. I sense lots of friction.

        • Yeah, I get that not only are these various entities not monolithic but they are also competitive with each other, very much like the card sharks you suggest. I have seen enough of this myself from working in the courts.
          Just trying to get a idea of what others think. I appreciate your response.

          • Ted Heistman | Nov 6, 2013 at 2:10 pm |

            So what are some of your insights?

          • I dunno, man. I know we are being lied to all the time, so I try and remain agnostic about what is happening socially and politically. The dominant narrative du jour is clearly a self-serving farce designed to keep people slogging away at whatever daily drudgery they are forced to endure in order to feed and house themselves. Beyond that . . .

        • reminds of the recent article disinfo linked to about actual zombification in Haiti. check it out and pay attention to the description of secret societies of sorcerers in Haiti. it reminds me very much of our own secret societies in America. the infighting and the underground nature but strong links w/ above ground high society/ judicial system

        • Simon Valentine | Nov 6, 2013 at 3:55 pm |

          there are no agencies
          j’st high school cliques

          no services, production, or govern-ments
          j’st greed
          and people who can’t be persons
          who refuse to be persons
          but j’st have to have [sic]

  2. Rus Archer | Nov 6, 2013 at 12:50 pm |

    brand’s sincerity has no bearing on the quality and validity of what he says
    not voting doesn’t accomplish anything more than voting
    maybe doing something else, like not buying shit, would make a bit more of a dent
    we keep complaining about the power of corporations
    stop feeding the bears

    • farbauti | Nov 6, 2013 at 2:28 pm |

      Fuck that!

      Not voting accomplishes a lot more than voting. There’s this concept called “democratic legitimacy”. It means that if 70% of eligible voters chose to abstain from the vote, the election is illegitimate, according to most interpretations of international law. It’s what the OECD used as a standard in Eastern Europe to measure “democratic legitimacy”, after the end of the Cold War. The UK, being a founding (and guiding) member of OECD, should follow that same standard.

      And please don’t regurgitate the old bullshit about “If you didn’t vote, you get no say”. Fuck that shit, I’m a human being and in this part of the world, it means I have exactly that right. My political affiliation or democratic participation, or lack thereof, is irrelevant.

      • Rus Archer | Nov 6, 2013 at 2:46 pm |

        i don’t believe in the no vote, no say argument
        i don’t believe that your vote counts
        i don’t believe democracy exists
        i seriously doubt that democratic legitimacy would matter to any of those in power considering they can’t bother to obey existing laws or do a damn thing they promise
        if you don’t want to vote, i won’t cry about it
        but while you’re not voting, why not do something that actually makes a difference?

        it doesn’t seem slightly hypocritical that brand talks about revolution and redistribution of wealth
        while buying a 2+mil dollar house?
        who do you think gets that money?
        oh, riiiiight

        as i said before
        the bears

        you want change? how bout we somehow convince just 10% of the population to NOT pay rent and NOT pay their mortgage
        in concert

        • There is certainly something to the idea that if these evil fucks, TPTB, whatever you wanna call them, don’t give a rat’s ass about legitimacy right now, why would it matter to them that people refused to vote? Why wouldn’t they just continue doing whatever they want, vote or no vote?
          I also like the idea of some kind of a general strike and boycot. I think perhaps if you can get enough people to stop buying shit, stop paying their rent or mortgage, as you suggest, you might be able to begin to implement some kind of actual, meaningful change.
          However this plays out, it seems to me that some kind of revolt is absolutely necessary. Cuz shit ain’t gonna change because you went and voted for corporate stooge A or B.

  3. Tchoutoye | Nov 6, 2013 at 2:24 pm |

    We don’t need a millionaire with a house in Malibu to tell us that the British political system is broken. Brand is the mainstream concoction of the safe rebel, whose activist credentials amount to little more than shaking hands with the British queen.

    • farbauti | Nov 6, 2013 at 2:32 pm |

      Yo, troll, get back under your bridge.

      It’s what he says, not who he is that is the point. Did you even read the article you put your intellectually dishonest, unintelligent, shallow and useless reply to?

      It’s the message, not the man.

      • Rus Archer | Nov 6, 2013 at 2:47 pm |

        he didn’t say anything

      • i read the article, and i’ve also been reading his other essays. until anything actually comes of what he’s saying i don’t see how what he’s doing is that different from any other emotionally ramped up opinion piece of the sort i read daily, only his perhaps has more sex, drugs, and rock’n’roll. his articles seem to constantly revert to talking about himself. so far i’m not seeing any evidence that he’s anything more than another aging celebrity smack-rat that’s latched on to an aspect of counter-culture to boost his popularity and reinvigorate his career. at least diana dismantled a few bombs, and bob geldoff raised a fuckton of money.

        i desperately hope i’m wrong and just frightfully uninformed and pessimistic. but i struggle to see this going anywhere except towards another massive anticlimax (“i’m mad as hell, and i’m not gonna take it anymore!….until they give me a regular tv spot and a fanbase”)

        • DrDavidKelly | Nov 6, 2013 at 5:33 pm |

          I fear as you do but perhaps Brand is as short on ideas on how to actually change the world as the rest of us are? Step 1 is always going to be jumping up and down, I’m mad as hell. Stage 2 would be actual action. 3 would be the things that make it stick.

          • ok i’ll be right here waiting on the action lol. i’ve been investigating all his public pages but i can’t actually see any way to interact with the guy directly. i’ll go in faith that’s a sign that he’s too busy doing shit.

        • Simon Valentine | Nov 6, 2013 at 6:22 pm |

          there’s always the climactic anti-climax or Parrondo’s. V liked that the last domino to fall was instead wedged upright.

          some ought come to grips with just how non mis and mal formed the ‘character pool’ is .. and with the ‘niche gestalt’ .. but not solely and in priority ‘do’ that, else fall into the trap religion tends to find itself wandering into.

          i do not know what any particular person’s achievements towards a better future may be .. and find maintaining a hold on that question – keeping its interaction with the world operational – to be something of an achievement. reiteration and the ‘proc’ paradox … quite a tangent discussion.

          • well yeah you do have a point there, he is the first guy with money and power to stand up and say this shit in a while which is why it’s causing such a stir i think. it is what we’ve all sort of been waiting for. if he does turn out to be doing nothing but smoke blowing *i’m* gonna be mad as hell. and others too i bet. hows that for yer domino effect lol.

          • Simon Valentine | Nov 6, 2013 at 7:16 pm |

            my facial expression at reading that said more than i can here though. i do believe “i feel ya” or “i read ya” in a nodding sort of “yup” is pretty close. that we need more people saying, knowing, and familiar with it *there*, *there*, and *there* … where they should be … according to what republic and democracy we can scrape together. huh. a saying. it almost got away from me. *waits* oh. a place for everything and everything in its place. that idea is s0 not being met to anything remotely acceptable.

            i blame anti-OCD sentiment.

            just kidding (kinda .. ostensibly speaking as per usual analogy and metaphor, the ‘blame’ is accurate to pattern…).

            lol it would be far more sane of me to blame “exponentiation” and “technology”. they are after all “the fat of the land”. England suffers the same fate as the states. it is metabolic. it is logistical in nature. there was a time when the word “body” was a metaphor – and more than a metaphor. queue V quote >.<

            i hear "we are the muscle burning" has a fanbase that could fit in the palm of a hand. gypsies told me. so let's just make sure it's exercise instead of hell's kitchen, eh? lol!

            i know it's out there already, so here again is the "what would benjamin franklin have recommended for the US constitution if it were during the technology of today" type of thing. from what i hear, there are countries out there pulling those sorts of rabbits, writing their own constitutions and whatnot. buh i'm pratteling. good luck sir~

          • well feels kinda weird responding to you ‘normally’ so here goes. i like the body metaphor (body politik lol). normally i find ‘politics’ this horrific mess of details, dates and events i have no hope of wrapping my head around but the metaphor converts it into a matter of resources. one thing i’ve learned about apes like us is that being cut off from resources stimulates our adrenal glands = rage. suddenly the routes (roots) of political energy are exposed. i guess you could say our “executive functions” are drawing all the sustenance from the recently devoured zero-sum pie. russel brand quoted as saying: “i am jack’s raging mouthpiece/fart in the wind”. apes rage at not being heard even if they are loud, what resource is being cut off through being told to shush?

            i think there are a hundred more ways that metaphor could be pushed (also metaphors of law courts and defense attorneys (russel brand)) spring to mind but i just woke up and need to go brush my teeth and swig some coffee etc.

      • bullshit. what do politicians “say”? now, what do they DO? you are wrong, its what someone DOES that is most important.
        “Preach constantly. When necessary, use words”- St. Francis of Assisi

    • Nirvanasteve | Nov 6, 2013 at 3:32 pm |

      “When I was poor and I complained about inequality people said I was bitter, now I’m rich and I complain about inequality they say I’m a hypocrite. I’m beginning to think they just don’t want inequality on the agenda because it is a real problem that needs to be addressed.”

    • Simon Valentine | Nov 6, 2013 at 4:07 pm |

      joma secu?

  4. I totally support and endorse not voting. If enough people refuse to participate in this farce, if nothing else, it would deny “legitimacy” to the system. Whether or not this would accomplish any real and meaningful change remains to be seen.

    • thisbliss | Nov 6, 2013 at 5:04 pm |

      At the very least it would make a change to the usual dull election programmes and the swing o meter – yawn.
      It could also be a catalyst for revolution or a sign that the revolution is well and truly under way.
      If there is to be a revolution I don’t think it can be planned out every step of the way. The ball needs to start rolling with some public gesture such as this which is achievable and could affect the narrative of the population. After that who can say yet?

  5. oneironauticus | Nov 6, 2013 at 8:37 pm |

    “served since the days of Netscape (ask your Grandad)”

    Har, har…I still remember some HTML tags that only worked in Netscape…like “marquee”…oh, how I miss thee, “marquee”…you made my Geoshitties pages oh-so much more dramatic…a lovely addition, along with the bleeding font, random pictures of spiders and poetry about broken mirrors…*sigh* I miss being a pre-teen.

    Wait. No I don’t.

    However, I do totally disagree with this: “Thanks to the internet, this may no longer be possible because “the people” have a voice and need no one to speak for them.”

    More and more every day we have less of the internet I imagined at 10 years old and a more pigeon-holed existence.

    Sure, I may have used Geocities just like a lot of other people did back then, but there were at least other options–all equally as viable. Now, even if I personally avoid Facebook and Twitter…well, hasn’t anyone else noticed how many blogs use Disqus now? And can you even watch a video on the internet anymore without it being hosted on YouTube? There is a definite narrowing of possibilities because of the “social” aspect…

    I guess my point is that I don’t think we’re really as free as you’d like to believe, even here…

    Oh, and also that Russell Brand is obviously a pawn of the ‘Loominaughties.

    • Simon Valentine | Nov 7, 2013 at 12:59 pm |

      dunno why you got a downvote
      your concerns are clearly wrought enough
      perhaps that’s why…

      maybe some people became more
      and maybe some people became less
      or maybe the webs are just more revealing of the High School Equivalents fact
      but here’s definitely a motif involving “hurt feelings”
      … and that some people have a wall of feelings to hide actual crimes

      some just have an underdeveloped sense of crime

      it doesn’t take a f*king spiderman
      and it def doesn’t take the excuses people give
      weaksauce piss Athena off

      • oneironauticus | Nov 7, 2013 at 10:40 pm |

        Hm…I think I almost understand…but then I’m unsure if you’re insulting me or not…

        • Simon Valentine | Nov 7, 2013 at 11:22 pm |

          no i figured you might get that … it’s more of a “well there that is” … “in-passing” thing. testing the waters of conversation by dipping in toes? heh. you just strike me as a person who’s attitude means they have interesting things to say in terms of knowledge and development. someone i’d lend an ear instead of a downvote or insult. i do have an attitude of my own of course. that aspirations of many seem stifled by few seems to be one shared. what do you make of the current state of internet and civilization? what do you envision?

          • oneironauticus | Nov 8, 2013 at 12:13 am |

            Well, thank you…what I make of the current state of internet and civilization is largely negative. I think I’m unusual for my age group–Luddites are to be found for certain throughout Gen X (in rhetoric, at least), but Gen Y generally accepted…well, everything, really…but also the increased dependence on technology. I don’t have very many friends my own age because I tend to find their smartphone addictions disturbing. That makes me the freak, apparently, even if I was essentially raised by the Beast (that’s not even really hyperbole…)

            I could get into a larger discussion about “hipster” irony devolving (how low can it go?) down the obvious path into a completely un-ironic, cargo-cult mimicry by the next generation… Taking post-modernism to the absolute end-points until it eats its own tail and appears to become what it despises? Gee! That wouldn’t backfire or anything! Welcome to the Dark Ages…are you a monk?

          • Calypso_1 | Nov 8, 2013 at 9:08 am |

            Simon is far closer to a contemporary monk than most could ever obtain. Like those of the yore peering from gilded manuscripts, his too is a lone voice elevated over crippled humanity, perilously close to convergence with the artifices of intelligence he plots & graphs.

          • Simon Valentine | Nov 8, 2013 at 1:54 pm |

            if Deadpool, Jean Grey, Magneto, Professor X, and Hulk were the decepticon Devastator…

            they’d still enjoy pancakes for breffst and leak oil all over the place

            eclectic autodidactic ftw

            there’s a lot of sh*t to shovel, but internet does provide resources necessary for E.Ad.

            Eaden o.0?

          • Simon Valentine | Nov 8, 2013 at 12:30 pm |

            i previously hadn’t been one to really consider the gen/decade thing (it mostly seemed to have/follow its own twisted version of itself, related to words like ‘genera’ and ‘phenotype’, or ‘stereotype’ {“i’m a boombox, man, wtf?!?”}) but as i’ve been noticing more division and faction, i do see more of it. the pattern has been noted in antiquity, albeit i no longer acquiesce the “come to church” in so much as i had (while still home with mother). i would like to quit my day job and do more writing though. i have my own version of “the whore of babylon” to novelize. (:how’s that for ironic:)

            the ocean crashes both dreams and plastic, whether that be on the shore or in Bermuda – actions having reactions known only by the deepest of aquatic sorcerers, some say. some say they care not for them, for they in their turn had cared not for a sense of causality; yet why be an accuser of them if not to become them? from the mountains of Thay to the abyss of Cthulhu; from the web of Lloth to the mystic weave of Mystra, i often care not to feel the devil that cometh with me. and sometimes i intend that to summon him.

          • oneironauticus | Nov 9, 2013 at 5:21 pm |

            I don’t usually like put too much stock into the generational thing, but I have to admit there are obvious superficial differences, at least…it would appear that the extent to which one rebels against what one is sold, often ends up being exactly the extent to which one fits into their stereotyped mold, in the end.

            You should write more. You’re a wonderful writer. I once had an opportunity to write for an “art” magazine which I ended up blowing in one drunken night…it is, as they say, “a long story”…but I wonder, if I haven’t completely burned that bridge, if I could suggest you as a contributor…

            I can’t promise you’d like it, though. Mostly for the same reasons I implied to the editor that I didn’t like them…(and I wonder why no one ever wants to work with me)…*or*, how about fuck that idea and instead, you, I and Calypso start an “art” writing magazine?

          • Calypso_1 | Nov 9, 2013 at 5:55 pm |

            am i being propositioned?

          • oneironauticus | Nov 10, 2013 at 1:24 pm |

            Uncertain just yet…I’m pretty damn broke, myself. Maybe if we got a pool together…I notice quite a few “disinfonauts” are artistically-inclined and may be interested in a vehicle for self-expression in the forms not covered by Disinfo-proper…and I like the idea of real-paper-magazines in this day and age…maybe Disinfo could lend a hand, eh? Eh? (*Puts out beggars cup*)

          • i would be in favour of somewhere to unify the artistic talents of disinfonauts. it seems so scattered and random stumbling across them atm. although i’m not really down with the idea of building it on tree-death, and paper limits the potentially expressible artistic vistas. what about the video artists and musicians? if you were only thinking of catering to writers though, then ignore me.

          • oneironauticus | Nov 11, 2013 at 8:22 pm |

            Good point about video/musical artists, I concede. I just prefer real artifacts for their honesty in decay and degradation (you might even say I’m one of those people who somewhat fetishizes decay, in general)…

            One could always compost the results later and who said we couldn’t use recycled, post-consumer paper to begin with? Recycling-friendly inks?

          • Calypso_1 | Nov 11, 2013 at 9:16 pm |

            “Honesty in decay and degradation”
            It does have a certain necro-ambrosia all it’s own.

          • oneironauticus | Nov 11, 2013 at 9:25 pm |

            I used to make a lot of collages from 70’s/80’s magazine ads…no particular reason. Never showed them or sold them. I just liked seeing the passage of time in both the image and the fading ink…feeling the paper…etc.

          • ohhh i see. i have no wish to impede on your beliefs in that regard. although recycled does seem like a good compromise, acknowledges the part decay plays in the overall scheme of things whilst being hippy-friendly.

          • Calypso_1 | Nov 11, 2013 at 12:51 pm |

            Did you ever follow Coilhouse while they were still in print?


            I grew up w/ zines & mixtapes so print holds an appeal, but it seems a supplement to all the other available media.

            Here are some art blogs i check out regularly.



            The archives for the Journal of Mythic Arts has incredible essays & many sources for great artists.

          • oneironauticus | Nov 11, 2013 at 8:22 pm |

            Yes I did, actually. They were great.

            Thank you for the links!

          • Calypso_1 | Nov 11, 2013 at 9:23 pm |

            Personal matters can taint (or enhance) the finest of expositions. I will evoke an encumbrance to my not less than nominal sleuthing skills in deference to your privacy.
            I hope in those (links) you find something to your liking.

          • oneironauticus | Nov 11, 2013 at 9:29 pm |

            (Hm, I do say too much)…Thank you, I think…

          • Calypso_1 | Nov 11, 2013 at 9:43 pm |

            Welcome to my sense of humor/gravitas.
            But it is true, there is that which should be avoided. The net is after all following you. Why empower certain denizens.

          • oneironauticus | Nov 11, 2013 at 9:46 pm |

            Indeed… <_<

          • Simon Valentine | Nov 9, 2013 at 7:50 pm |

            lords of the undertaking! i doth see thine opportune stricken of that superficiality so mortal! whatever god i shall duel may yet feel the might i wield, even in decay! let the dappled eggshells be grounded, for there are Athenas to birth, and no spider nor crustacean escapeth her wrought temperament!

            on a side note, i just got done watching *Captcha!* … no … damn brain fires … Contact, with Jody Foster. to say the mind’s got a piece somewhat blown out of proportion is rather accurate. *sigh* i do believe i shall once again stride through this latest of pains. all in all it did provide a balance for some things that was a bit less precarious than it was unacceptable, that is, having already experienced a more intimate singularity than … well nevermind self-reference then. i fear i prey upon the young each time i stray near the truth (i have more gray hairs than years and yet have but a bit more than half a decade less than 30 such spans) – i wonder then if i could offer up a teaching converted quite near directly from your rebel-mold assertion: that the patterns of feeling due to being lied to and this “twisted aversion to the truth” that people have in turn … is strikingly similar to echolocation, frequency-hopping spread spectrum, bifurcated reflection analysis diagrams, and ascension? perhaps even “the social personality”, “god”, the occult, or suchlike? cliques really run rampant, what being on towards geometry and all…

          • Simon Valentine | Nov 9, 2013 at 7:57 pm |

            gods, and to think it was all interwoven in that Hitler speech transmission … *sigh* never was such a shrimp treated as so exquisite by friend and enemy alike >.< i see'm in hell i'll get all the damned men to look over their shoulder for a retrospect. bastards… even the chincy ones today, running "business" and whatnot. thieving caniving little brute-year-olds and their "e tu". *pounds fist* just wait 'til the see THIS humpity dumpity in its put together form. acidic mongrel inferiors *mumbling about dragons as walks off for a cigarette*

          • oneironauticus | Nov 12, 2013 at 10:01 pm |

            Just when I think I’ve mulled over something long enough to finally post a response, I re-read another reply and…well, back to the drawing board.

          • Simon Valentine | Nov 12, 2013 at 10:54 pm |

            i know what you mean. BTDT? heh. you’ve got me off on a writing spree now, so you ought suggest some manner of transfer of this i’m working on … i mostly never get these blasted things finished … but i’ve gone and hooked myself through on this one. it’s a story about 2 reincarnating factory shmucks from the 1930s who, thus far, are each their own form of outlet for my many … well shall we say my many knowledges. let me know if you wish a copy.

          • Calypso_1 | Nov 9, 2013 at 8:17 pm |

            Can you speak in the same fashion as you write? I enjoy listening to your posts on txt -> speech. Blistering syntax. I actually get synesthetic activation of the visual cortex trying to parse/recompile your recursions and layers. The neural interweaving is immobilizing at times.
            You can probably solve a rubik’s cube in the dark ; )

          • Simon Valentine | Nov 9, 2013 at 8:59 pm |

            with sadness as distant to me as Vega i reply: that to speak as i write does not always coalesce to this tongue, having been fried in butcher’s oil derived from the salts of mummified gray matter (‘washed’, of course >.<). i've marched far out of hell and heaven alike, what clothing stained in youth, i often write. alight, and lo, as if angels glow, my now sole saint and pigeon hole – Darth Lord Nihilus, Sith, is more akin than, as said, "hyperbole" (this?). always of such a logical mind i had not felt as one of a kind … within the confines of a cloister (a bit of a tongue-twisting cluster of Church's anyhow). my blood is moister and my heart is not mine, for what pattern emerged through my Valentine. Simon too it took to say: i'll be one to be thrown in the bottomless pit that not another take the place! it was then at once heresy, and also not, but still travesty, that i now enpain. what wizards had been before surely intend to summon me again – sweet Rubick not withstanding. that dear Grand Magus is different, and swaggers, at head instead of shoulder. i fear to be him i wish, save bolder.

            ageless beauty of such not me, some say channels, sometimes through thee, yet poetry becomes occasionally to tongue, and fearful even i am to listen, excepting that not gold what all glistens. like Alexander or iller, library silent as silver, i do not yet weep for conquering (demon and angel alike).

            *insert personality wrench*
            yeah i can't solve a rubik's really … i know the algorithm has been lain out plainly so it's a bit of a necrophilia in my realm. (please i beg ye not be judged by it, in earnest, even though i know you know of this beyond i make home *physical lowering of head in supplication*)

            i am an evil man, yet i weep more for the world, so it is no mystery to me that others find me twisted (do they not know to use a screwdriver instead of a hammer? at the least it could be a hammer to start the position and a driver to finish…). "Victorian buggar" just doesn't cut it, either 🙁 i suppose in the end it is that they do not ask me how my heart is light, and such i see to be well, for Anubis does not maintain per my vision, and conversion is in fact entirely not the transference into this realm. it is, however, precisely the sort of work that led me to – in part – communicate as i do. as gypsie-monky as it is 🙂

            whether gifted or cursed, what memory of pain lies stored within me does often seem to be nigh-on completely "not my own". the Contact Process, or Conway's Game of Life, i ought mention as potential roads to … to what i must leave everyone to decide for themselves. i am yet lighthearted enough to see a Yoda reference in there 🙂

          • Simon Valentine | Nov 9, 2013 at 9:13 pm |

            ah, crap, i forgot the latter bit of physiological bits…

            i still find it astounding this thing of distance-less-ness as concerns “likewise form” communications. i know many have said that they find “finishing another’s sentence” to be in things like twins and marriage, but i’m far more wild with the growth of it! onwards to what i had intended then.

            this immobilizing moment i have and had become acquainted with some years ago, it is certainly curious. i believe it is one piece of the puzzle that got me into “social trouble” back in my “send him to the assylem” days. oh i spelled that wrong and the auto-spell wants it so say “embassy” … how convenient that i now dare not change it 🙂 lmao. no indeed sir it is far more real to me than many care to imagine, and i have stuck it all out past the boundaries by force of will not solely my own (‘psychotic’ they said, after they were apparently finished “with the captivating entertainment of my behavior”). they did set me off a bit, towards them i suppose, for i didn’t go the way of Nietzsche or the real-deal witch doctors. *sigh* … Ninjas …

            trailing off, have you familiarity with the Tal Rasha formalisms? *cheesy grin*

          • Simon Valentine | Nov 8, 2013 at 2:26 pm |

            fyi there is at the least a real-experimental simulation complex here with the subset mutuality issue (subset…cult…i’ll apologize if need be) … i feel that my conversion encounters with that future which you reference has happened more than once … one time period involving physical drugs and the other involving *scratches head* well some of the internet stuff that could be considered internet drugs (like the reaction to Facebook? it’s something that seems nearby this thing i’m talking about anyway…) … this data is being pretty closed off though … so anyway i’ll try to surmise.

            the edge of the puzzle and the frame of the web are built first, and then recursion ensues – this mimicry and replication is similar, but to what end?

            Luddies. learning something every day. there’s an old saying … programmer > god > elite > etc. but that just has me walking past the door in my imagination that leads into the room involving alien lifeforms of a silicon, sulfur, and phosphorus base .. and that their society is ordered according to those whom they breed/create/maintain to be what carbon based life forms usually limit themselves to calling “precognatives”. alas, it’s not so simple, but it is more fun. for a mind to Actually be in the future and see to the now, rather than for a mind to actually be in the past and see to the now…

  6. Dingbert | Nov 6, 2013 at 9:02 pm |

    “[Revolution] ends in death camps, gulags, repression and murder.” -some English jerk

    And the British should know, because they’ve been in so many revolutions. Just don’t ask which side:

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