• echar

    Excellent post, thank you.

    “As soon as you open the door wide enough to
    admit pink nerve-gas-farting dragons, you have let in all of those other
    possibilities as well.” “Why not worry about all of them, then?” asked
    Fraa Orolo. “I do!” claimed Arsibalt, who had seen us talking, and come
    over to find out what was going on. “Fraa Erasmas,” said Orolo, “you
    said a minute ago that it would be possible to talk slines into worrying
    about a pink nerve-gas-farting dragon. How would you go about it?”
    “Well, I’m not a Procian. But if I were, I suppose I’d tell the slines
    some sort of convincing story that explained where the dragons had come
    from. And at the end of it, they’d be plenty worried.

    Anathem by Neal Stephenson

    https://findings.com/clips/A8mNvX/anathem/

  • heinrich6666

    I think there’s a certain amount of intellectual cowardice here. Rogan’s probably more open-minded than most in today’s media, but he’s no savant. Proof of that is that he pooh-poohs the ‘bulletproof wolf’ bit (apparently from the Skinwalker Ranch episode). But the bulletproof wolf was not dreamt up in the theory of some solitary crank. It was a whole family outside watching it, seeing it in action, and seeing it apparently unfazed at being shot. Yet it’s an easy target, so he lumps it in with nutty stuff because it sounds so nutty.

    The point here is that while some people think Rogan’s telling a lot of truth here, he isn’t saying much more than that there are some things he personally feels are real and some he feels are bullshit. Is this a provocative position? That some things are true, some false? Well, what’s the criteria for deciding? Rogan doesn’t say much more in this clip but that he personally thinks some things are possible and some are not; and that this is a subjective decision; and that he feels more comfortable interviewing ‘really smart people’, i.e. authorities, like Kurzweil. That’s all well and good. But why do people have such bromantic feelings for Rogan? Why are some convinced he’s saying new and important things? It sounds like he’s just offering average opinions with character voices thrown in.

    • Matt Staggs

      Not sure, but I’d drink a “Bulletproof Wolf” in a heartbeat. Sounds like something with scotch.

    • jasonpaulhayes

      Adam Kokesh basically asked Joe to lead a Rebel Militia… it was very bromantic.

      http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Adam_Kokesh

    • echar

      He said more than that. Are you butthurt because he doesn’t support chemtrails?

      • heinrich6666

        You’re butthurt and don’t even know it. Read my comment again, and see if you can find your way back to some good ass-healing.

        • echar

          Bless your little heart.

          • heinrich6666

            That you, mom? Because if so, you’re exonerated of the bromance charge because you have a vagina.

            Rogan gives good cogent counter-explanations for the phenomena people try to explain by way of theories of chemtrails and rods. But then he violates his own rule by lumping in the bulletproof wolf encounter with crackpot theories. Now, the family that claimed to have seen it — and shot it — might be lying or hallucinating. But it’s clear that Rogan dismisses it in this clip simply because it sounds like bullshit.

            Well, if you dismiss things simply because they sound like bullshit, you’re certainly in the majority. Nothing exceptional about that. But then we’re right back to believing and disbelieving for purely emotional reasons. And pretty far away from ‘use your brain’, as you claim. So again, I’m not impressed. But continue to salve your own butthurt by alleging mine. In fact, here’s an idea: let’s rub our respective butthurts together, and either a genie will pop out, or they will merge together like Voltron into one Megabutthurt.

          • echar

            I don’t particularly care all that much for Rogan. What little I watch is what I see here at Disinfo. By all means go to the Skinwalker Ranch, if you can get access, and get proof for a highly probable contrived story. I heard PT Barnum can be contacted on a golden phone at the ranch. Give him a call, tell him Ripley sent you.

          • heinrich6666

            *slow clap*

            Ripley’s Believe It or Not stories were generally true. So you’re using a mixed metaphor, to put it charitably.

            The burden is not on me to go ‘get proof’. That is because what’s at stake is not absolute belief. I don’t ‘absolutely believe’ the story of the bulletproof wolf. However, the burden *is* on me not to dismiss it out of hand simply because it sounds strange. From what I’ve heard of the story, I see no evidence that the family was lying or having a group hallucination. I’m able, you see, to control my emotional reaction and not leap out of the chair in outrage because someone alleges that something exists that is outside my own experience of the world. In fact, having bulletproof wolves show up seems perfectly consistent to me with the absurdity of human life. Look at the man who was nuked twice. Or the woman who was raped, ran down the street for help, found a good samaritan, and was raped. Or the guy who survives the plague to get killed by a runaway apple cart. Or the toddler who gets his colon sucked out by the water pump in the pool. The universe is closer to P.T. Barnum than you perhaps realize.

          • echar

            I see, so the bullet proof wolf (BPW) is plausible, and I am in a rage for dismissing it. Yet the golden phone at the ranch, that can contact PT Barnum is not plausible? Even though you have no way of confirming it.

            How do you know I meant Robert Ripley? Perhaps I meant Ripley, from Terminator. Maybe I meant Amanda Ripley, a journalist and author. Mappen I am Ripley, and I just gave an in at the ranch? You are willing to believe the BPW.

            For a person that can control their emotions, you sure seem to make a lot of assumptions. The man who survived both nukes, quite unique, along with at least 159 other people who did.

            The prior needless to mention, considering the false logic you expressed. Comparing examples that are scientifically explainable, with a supernatural occurence doesn’t work with me. I can tell you what else is absurd.

          • heinrich6666

            You contradict your own position. You assert (rightfully) that knowledge is based on hearsay, i.e. I can’t be *sure* in the sense of absolute certainty that a country called China exists though there is plenty of reason to suppose so; I can’t be sure that you meant Ripley in the most obvious sense when you might have been farting instead on your keyboard. And yet, a moment ago, you were calling for a visit to Skinwalker Ranch in order to find ‘proof’ that a bulletproof wolf ever existed.

            The only false logic (that is, inadequate logic) here is your own: you refuse to confront the fact that whatever the ‘objective’ or scientific theories or models of the world, there is always a subjective component to their operation. Theories and explanations exist to the extent that they are ‘believed’. Belief isn’t totally willful: usually people are restrained in what they believe by prior belief, other bits of knowledge, etc. But likewise, without belief no theory exists. Theories are mental constructs. Just as theories explain external events more or less well, they are also ‘believed’ in to greater or lesser degrees.

            Based on what I heard a year or two ago about the bulletproof wolf incident, I ‘believe’ that the family that reports the encounter is neither lying nor hallucinating. Therefore I infer that the event happened in some sense, that the story is basically true. I also ‘believe’ it to be true, in part, because of the total context of the story, for example, that a billionaire then bought the ranch and put a team of scientists there to study it, who themselves later reported anomalous phenomena. Of course, like all knowledge, my ‘belief’ that there was a bulletproof wolf is suppositional. It’s tentative. If this afternoon it comes out that that the father of the family who sold the ranch had past convictions for fraud and had devised stories like this before in other states, then my supposition about the truthfulness of the family’s story would change.

            But I do admit: I do not rule out events like these a priori. Perhaps you do. It’s not interesting to me whether you do or don’t. Perhaps there are things I rule out a priori as well without knowing it. But based on the sum total of what I ‘know’ about the world, I don’t rule out that a bulletproof wolf appeared on the ranch. If there is no basis in your worldview for such a thing, that’s very well: but your arguing ‘It’s impossible’ ad nauseam to someone who believes in the possibility would be no less idiotic than my believing it in the first place.

          • echar

            Here’s something you may find interesting. Before whatever his name purchased the ranch, people were giving “highly dangerous” tours there. Ones where you could get abducted without even knowing it. If had you had a camera, it could be mysteriously edited to leave out the abduction. Spooky! Like the tale about the wolf, and many ghost tales. Great advertising.

          • heinrich6666

            You mean in a commercial culture, people try to commercialize?

            PS. There is a guy who has been giving tours in that area for some years as (he and others claim) the strange occurrences are not limited to the Skinwalker Ranch. But to my knowledge, he has never been allowed on the property by either its current or previous owner.

          • echar

            Oh yeah? I heard the tour guide is an alien.

  • jasonpaulhayes

    “Is he telling the truth or is he telling a lie? He’s the conspiracy guy!”

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