The Scientist: John C. Lilly

I don’t know about you, but blissful idiot sounds attractive. All the more reason to avoid this state of consciousness.

Via Wikipedia: John Cunningham Lilly (January 6, 1915 – September 30, 2001) was an American physician, neuroscientist, psychoanalyst, psychonaut, philosopher and writer. He was a researcher of the nature of consciousness using mainly isolation tanks, dolphin communication, and psychedelic drugs, sometimes in combination.

 

 

 

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  • Yūgen

    Always in debt to this man for downloading the flotation tank into being

  • Toad

    All that dolphin stuff will REALLY turn you off this guy. It’s pretty easy to get turned off this guy, no achievement at all. I certainly have managed it. But his groundwork was good:

    “In the province of the mind, what one believes to be true is true or becomes true, within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the mind, there are no limits… In the province of connected minds, what the network believes to be true, either is true or becomes true within certain limits to be found experientially and experimentally. These limits are further beliefs to be transcended. In the network’s mind there are no limits. … However, in the province of the body, there are certain definite limits, not to be transcended.”

    Not sure the difference between “experiential” and “experimental”–I’m sure he defines them, perhaps the difference is that the one is just gallumphing through life while the other requires a more or less rigorous method.

    I think the statement fails by needing a clear boundary between mind and body, which you can’t find in extreme states. At the time a guideline or reminder might be useful, its terms are breaking down–“what body?”–and failing to provide useful assistance.

    Still, it’s phrased usefully as a beginning of discussion, it’s at least apparently rigorous, which allows useful parsing of one’s ideas against it.

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