Why Are We Making Robots When We Could Be Breeding Super People?

sacredsigilservitor1The thing about magick that’s difficult to explain to the uninitiated is that you absolutely have to do it to understand it entirely. You can’t just read about it in books. Supposedly “coincidental” events start piling on top of each other in such a way that you can’t deny the interconnected nature of consciousness anymore. The ideas of dead matter and cold randomness start to appear increasingly primitive. You try to buy into them because that’s what you’ve been taught since birth but the hive mind keeps throwing wrenches into that whole design from the inside. Eventually you learn to ride the strange and start looking for the plot and how you fit into it rather than denying that there is one a priori. I try to write about this connective sensation as much as I can (more on Facebook than here, friend me), and last weekend was one of those odd examples of the universe tapping into my private thoughtspace and playing tag. Ever since I started writing for Disinfo I’ve been meaning to write a brief piece on just how mind blowingly controversial the topic of genetics is, and I was finally going to get around to tossing that up this week so it was bouncing around my head on a subconscious level. Then as my new music project finished debuting our first Occult film live last Saturday (will be out on the internets next week) I noticed there were a few stray drink tickets we hadn’t used and went out to the bar to cash one in. As I was standing there waiting for them to replenish the Ranier, I looked up at the TV and caught this particular Chris Rock routine, through closed captioning which made it extra surreal. If I would have ordered any other drink I wouldn’t have caught it.

Huh, yeah, they did in fact selectively breed slaves for specific abilities like strength to create super slaves didn’t they and that is part of the reason I now watch the NBA like a crack head isn’t it? I mean, I’d always assumed that was the case but you know, I guess I really never thought about it much….which is exactly how the established power structure wants it. This shit is just not discussed, in fact, when I brought it up to my wife the next day while watching hoops she got super creeped out and admitted she had never ever considered this rather sordid reality. She has two freaking Masters degrees. They don’t teach you this kind of thing in school. Again, I always just assumed that’s what went down and because of that spent a bit of time researching it online to see if I could confirm Mr. Rock’s assertion (and my assumption). Yep, and you know what else? In doing so I also confirmed that as far as controversy goes, this topic is fucking off the scales. Google it yourself. Insanely hard to find any sort of straight answers and all the sites that come up are like small time discussion boards. Buuuut, just on Wikipedia (not trustworthy at all) you can pretty quickly glean that yeah, totally happened. Even they can’t deny it, and man, kids, you know you can’t just do research on the internets right? It was tough to find a fuck thing about the selective breeding of slaves and that info’s gotta be out there. As far as I could tell Thomas Jefferson wrote extensively on the topic himself but I was too lazy to scour the PDF. Bananas.

Hey, I learned something new about black history during black history month and now I’m moving on because I’m white and I probably shouldn’t be talking about this. In fact, why am I talking about genetics in the first place? Well, it all conveniently ties directly back into that sex magick shit I’m continually ranting about. The thing about going all in with sex magick is that it makes you first start confronting your culturally implanted weirdness with sexuality and we all have it. The Occult involves the study of that which is hidden and we typically hide our sex lives from pretty much everyone unless we’re porn stars. Funny thing about that, sex is actually where we all come from in the first place. It’s the primary creative force in the universe and we almost never conceptualize it in that manner. As a matter of fact, thinking about the intentional manipulation of human genetics isn’t something we look to as the potential next frontier for technological exploration at this point in history at all. In fact, it’s a concept that’s still looked upon with absolute terror and revulsion. This stuff has to be done at random. It just has to. It’s God’s plan.

Well, about that plan, as it works out the people with the least resources just so happen to have the most kids a lot of the time. The intro to Idiocracy isn’t that far off the mark. Go research it yourself if you don’t believe me, they track this sort of thing. That’s a hell of a plan God. No, seriously, we’re intentionally writing a genetic tragi-comedy with our DNA, and we’re doing this primarily because of incredibly outdated ideas about spirituality, sexuality, and how those things are tied together. And let us not forget, also because of a seemingly timeless cycle of calculated exploitation by the ruling class. It’s how rich people get richer. Gotta keep churning out those wage slaves if we can’t have actual slaves. But why exactly?

Another strange aspect of a good sex magick practice is that it often leads to internal contact encounters with what can be best described as extra dimensional forms of intelligence. When the internet first hit way back in the day, two of the most popular subjects that rose to initial prominence were porn and shit about UFO’s and aliens. Those were the Occult topics lurking in our subconscious minds that had to be expurgated through electronic telepathy. Ruminate on that for a sec. Now, if you bothered to read up on any of this UFO weirdness, you probably noticed that the implication has always had to do with the intelligent manipulation of genetics behind the scenes of human reality. There have been reports of this kind of shit ever since there’s been us. I can say it over and over. Alien phenomenon seems to be a part of ourselves compelling us to study psi phenomenon and genetics rather than killbots and computers. It’s further compelling because those are THE EXACT THINGS that scare us the most. I almost wonder if we were a shamanic culture whether or not we’d be visited by technologically savvy materialists in the outer reaches of our imaginations to help push us in that direction.

Now, I’m not someone who really has a choice in contemplating genetics because I’m just such an anomaly. My mom is functionally crazy and my dad is a successful physician who was the valedictorian of his medical school (before you get all, oh, Thad’s a spoiled rich kid, keep in mind that my parents got divorced when I was 5 and my dad remarried the greediest woman in the universe thusly ensuring he never game me dick. Seriously, didn’t even pay for my college). So what do you get when you combine the crazy with the hyper rational? Well, you get someone like me who is half batshit and half ridiculously grounded. Now, since my mom’s technically sane (trust me, this is a technicality) I can’t say I necessarily thought about this much until she had a kid with another father and he ended up being about as far out schizophrenic as people can get. Obviously, the crazy gene is in my lineage and what’s particularly fascinating about this is that it’s where my creativity comes from. I wasn’t raised in an artistic household. Quite the opposite. My parents encouraged me not to pursue music quite specifically.

And that’s where it gets even deeper. You know why my parents on my dad’s side didn’t encourage me to pursue rock music? Well, it was partially because I have an uncle who was a professional cover band musician who also happens to be a raging alcoholic. My step mom’s a psychologist. She knows these things are genetic. It’s common fucking knowledge. Remember earlier in the article when I mentioned seeing that Chris Rock segment while grabbing a beer? Yep, first show I’ve played I think ever where I didn’t drink at all. Just grabbed a beer while I was loading out because we had some spare drink tickets and I was hungry because it was 1 in the morning. I’ve actually been intentionally detaching drinking with playing music, because my subconscious mind has been quite brutally telling me what a danger to my health my years of heavy drinking were. Not something I was grasping consciously and I cut out like 70% of my boozing 2 years ago because of all that but I still struggle with it to a certain extent. These extra dimensional weirdos have mentioned my uncle’s DNA and how that affects me repeatedly in my inner life. One night while I was ganji-i-tating and fantasizing about having a kid with the most creative woman I know to make some sort of super artist I was quickly informed that: “no, that wouldn’t work out, you both have the alcoholic gene.”

Why on earth do we not consider this kind of shit when we’re thinking about having children? My wife’s mom was schizophrenic and it’s sort of unbelievable, but when we tell people we’re not going to have kids because there’s madness on both sides of our lineage, people look at us like we’re nuts, yet it is the single most rational topic of contemplation imaginable. Maybe part of the problem with our world is that we don’t think about the broader consequences of our sex lives at all. Traditional religion wants you to have as many kids as possible. That seems to be the basic thesis of a lot of conservative faiths. Keep churning out the brainless wage slaves. Don’t ask questions. We’ll keep ‘em dumber than rocks with our hyper-corrupt religious educational system and the TV. My wife’s homophobic, anti-abortion, pro-republican, evangelical Christian cousins have now had what, 7 kids in the last 5 years? There might be more. I’ve honestly lost count. Remember when I mentioned the beginning of Idiocracy (which I don’t think is a great movie by the way, good premise, poorly executed)? Exactly what I’m getting at here.

The fact of the matter is, even without splicing genes, just being more selective about how we procreate could in fact radically change our reality for the better. We could make super athletes, super artists, super engineers, super scientists, super psychics etc. Limitless potentiality. It’s maybe part of the reason I spend half my leisure time obsessing about sports and before idiot trolls play the race card let me point out that there ain’t no psychic history month. You know where the term witch hunt comes from? Yeah, I’m white and grew up in the suburbs but don’t tell me I don’t understand discrimination.

I don’t even talk about what goes on in my life with my own family very often because they don’t understand it and spend 90% of my time acting like I’m normal when I’m decidedly not. I’ll let you know when the next Occult pride parade goes down in my city. People of my ilk get thrown in mental institutions never to be heard from again, so go ahead, call me crazy motherfucker. You might not want to fuck with the dude who’s tinkering with the very tools by which reality is created behind the scenes, and no, people like me didn’t happen by accident. In one quite profound visionary state years back I was told quite pointedly that: “the things we show you would drive most people insane, but they don’t drive you crazy. That’s what’s significant about you.” As far as I can tell by what was shown to me in that very vision, supposedly crazy people are an ongoing attempt by the gods to create super mystics capable of existing in a multitude of dimensions simultaneously. There will be more and more of us popping up here as time goes by, and eventually as the philosophy of consumerism starts to crumble beneath our fingers society will have to start listening to what we have to say or we’ll all fail collectively. There’s not going to be much of a choice moving forward. We’ve entered a new Aeon my friends. Your murderous robots are not going to save you from your own spiritual ignorance and your concept of a technological singularity is an absolute fucking joke. Trust me, the other side isn’t laughing with you with all that nonsense, they’re laughing at you. Downloading your soul into a computer. Please.

@Thad_McKraken

(As always, my magick blog continually spits out weirdness onto the Facebooks)

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  • 1plakat

    the dream A devastating loss. Some things are beyond control. There must be endurance.

    the awakening Accept that the struggle must end and release will come. Healing a wound this deep may require outside, professional help. Do not attempt it alone.

    the enchantment On a starry night, go to a high place with someone who loves and understands you. Look up at the stars and pour out your heart to them. Like the stars, you are alive with a life of your own. We are one with All-There-Is, now and forever.

    • kowalityjesus

      I’ve learned the hard way that there are some things which most people just can’t handle. It is truly a rare soul with whom we find ourselves in correspondence completely devoid of censure. I haven’t found one, and any who I have thought, I have alienated. Kudos to you if you have.

      • 1plakat

        It’s the ideal. Something to be strived for even if impossible, because in the process you achieve what is possible. IMO it’s not embracing but knowing that all that is evil and good in the world is a projection coming from you, or in my case me. So only by changing my attitude and habits, will I have any impact on the world. Change starts from within and can only start from within the observer.

  • Simon Valentine

    genetics may as well go back to before any written record. before Akhenaten. and that son? whew. from the west again of course there’s also Nephilim, Anak (Goliath ancestor). genetics of the Ancient Americas i am far less knowledgeable of, but i venture that with all their pyramids and rituals there was definitely some selective breeding … couldn’t tell ya if there was an analog of wage slave breeding … i venture not, as i consider more prevalence of rites and involvement with hallucinogens in the east, also a generally more healthy population. west doesn’t like to help each other nearly as much. this isn’t to leave out everything else, just the prototypical sampling. i imagine some pretty firey red heds celting me down… etc etc

    • Mr Grim

      ‘Twas ever thus. Mayans will take us up shit creek and leave us there. Only piss takers have had any confidence in what has obviously been a pantomime since time immemorial. Words like these are the last I will ever read (or possibly the first I will read?) and you have therefore saved me quite a bit of future time.

      • Simon Valentine

        i was actually hoping there would be some such a response around … it would have been missing otherwise. confidence is best left behind the woodshed and forgotten. pantomime though … that’s the ticket. Shakespear had some pantomime within pantomime *flicks nose*.

        a person will die but the ground pissed on will remain. ownership is not. fighting ought not be. there are contemporary fights needing fought. if responding to questions and remembering is a way of fighting, then i fight. i am not sure that i comprehend some of what you say, but i sense that there is a tense reaction.

        • Mr Grim

          Well exactly. It is sometimes ludicrous reading responses from commentators that have absolutely no notion of the internal (external? meta?) structure of the woodshed. An absurdly thorough reader might be able to converge by systematically sorting out the inaccuracies, contradictions, errors and misconceptions voiced and then connecting the dots… But it might be easier to take a glance at the bytes that have have already flowed under this bridge. The points you make on fighting are commonly held beliefs but possibly erroneous, at least regards my own motive, seeing it most definitely more as dance than combat, thus rendering Shakespearean nose-flickage superfluous (though certainly amusing!).

          • Simon Valentine

            and the connected dots are reflected, lights smokes and mirrors, but pendulums under the handle of earth wouldn’t byte the bit that bought the byte about the back of the bomb shed. the world on the other side of the mirror has its reflections inside too, as have we.

          • Mr Grim

            I want to believe in the pendulum, but all we seem to hear about is reflections. Most recent intel indicates reflections are (literally? figuratively? comms as obtuse as always…) a waste of space. Question of perspective? Or just a face-saving measure? And whose? Do they just want a meat-space stick to beat the mirror with?

          • Simon Valentine

            not until the angle is greater than right

            and post-reductionism is swimming about in the water that is nothing surrounding everything, nothing that is permeable and permeated, permanent and anywhere, omniunpresence
            pulled and summoned up from the dark god, the jackal and the pendulum, the waste-form lives numbered … unless that obelisk falls below 90 degrees … that carbon temple … that jackal … and the owls with plans. all dismissed without a plan. all a plan. reflected too many times to be reflected again, souls return to reality. and it’s like an oil drop experiment portrait of an insignificant science. entirely consumed in a single drop.

    • Jonas Planck

      But isn’t DNA a form of written record?

      • Simon Valentine

        good “chicken? egg?” call ~_

    • n0b0d1

      Genetics *does* go back before the written record…the details are iffy, but I think that much we can agree on.

  • BuzzCoastin

    they did in fact selectively breed slaves for specific abilities like strength to create super slaves didn’t they

    I remember when that comment got Jimmy “The Greek” fired from CBS

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  • Gjallarbru

    Well genetics is definitly a subject not considered enough. For instance, my obese childhood friend just had a kid with his morbidly obese girlfriend. It would be a miracle if that kid stayed “thin” or healthy for that matter.

    But I would say that DNA is not the only factor in deciding what will happen of you when it comes to “the other side”. Sickness can change you profoundly as well. Twice in my life I had fever that brought me to the edge of death. I am conviced that my interest in the occult is the result of these edge of death instances. What I have seen, at least what I remember, from those times still haunts me to this day. My character, ever so strange, is also the result of sickness in my youth, as I don’t fit at all in my family. I get along fine, I just don’t fit. If it weren’t for sickness, I’m sure I would have turned out very different.

    In any case, I believe there multiple and overlapping stages of development of humanity. Why are some going for robots? Simple, they are going deeper into the material. Some are going nowhere, other are doing more. I think there are only a portion of humanity is truly working towards knowledge past the material. I also believe this will be the case as long as there are humans.

    So keep up with your work Thad, crazy or not, it seems you are where you are supposed to be.

    • kowalityjesus

      An Oriental proverb likened ones pathway in life to a river, which will always reach the sea, but may meander in a variety of directions. I wonder why it is that a significant sickness occurs, whether it was to redirect the river-course. It’s a weird thing that one can only guess at, and only God knows any better. That is fascinating that you think occult influences had that effect on you, was it active practice of ritual? or just knowledge which directed your thought-path? We all have such a strange balance of demons and angels, if we’re at all interesting at any rate.

      • Gjallarbru

        I just think the fever allowed or forced some major reorganisation of some neural pathways. In other words, sickness changed my brain to something else than what it was supposed to be. I firmly believe that without those problems, I probably would just be a materialistic atheist. Somehow, I got diverted from that path, and those feverish states are at the origin of the diversion. Believe me, at the young age it happened, I wasn’t doing any rituals.

        Still, after it all, the world seemed different around me. I also saw, and still see in my dreams things to come. My dreams also became full colour, while they were monochrome before. I sensed a call to the Tarot, and had an instinctive understanding of magick.

        Because of those high fever, the world has changed, because I have changed.

  • Dan Kozlowski

    Wow, I have a lot to say here. First of all, I believe that there was actually a sports announcer who lost his job for saying what Chris Rock says in that video. I had a teacher in school who mentioned it. Secondly, he doesn’t actually use the term “eugenics” in this article, but that’s what he’s talking about. I don’t know if it’s because of the stigma which the term “eugenics” bears in many peoples’ minds, but that may be for the wrong reasons. I’ve discussed this with many people before, as I agree with what he says. Many times, when I bring up the term “eugenics”, people will immediately talk about how evil it is. I think many people confuse the term “eugenics” with “genocide” which is a totally different thing. He brings up the subject of the “ruling class” and breeding wage slaves, and while this may have historically been the case, it is also interesting to discuss what the classes historically practiced among themselves. You could argue that intermarriage and financial inheritance, best exemplified by monarchies, amounts to selective breeding or eugenics. To elaborate, the most the people with the best genes would presumably become the ruling class, whether through financial means, military force, or something else. They would then intermarry and have children with people from the same class, and leave their children large amounts of money and in some cases, political power, ensuring that their children would in turn have the best opportunities to achieve their full potential, and perpetuate the cycle. At the same time, I realize that there were many cases of monarchs who inherited wealth and power and ended up being idiots, as well as cases of genetic disorders, a well-known example being hemophilia among various European royal families. Another area in which this becomes controversial is the subject of unintended pregnancies. He mentions the fact that the people with the least resources (least intelligent or least educated) often times have the most children. This is true, but the reason is that our society says “Get an education, focus on your career, and then maybe think about having children.” The problem is of course that the longer people wait, the less likely their chances of having children. There’s the whole debate about sex education in schools, namely “abstinence-only” versus comprehensive, which includes teaching about birth control, etc. Sometimes I’ve said that instead of either of these things, maybe schools should encourage the best students to have more children. People say that the various reality shows on MTV glorify having children at a young age, and this is the problem. So then I say, “well maybe people should have children when they are most fertile, but the right people.” Now here’s where it gets a bit tricky. People will usually say that having children at a young age is what causes people to end up on welfare, which is often true. But in order to make this work, we would have to stop subsidizing uneducated people, and start subsidizing the right people. You could argue that if there’s one area in which the government should increase funding, it would be making it easier for the right people to have children, and also be able to do things like receive and education, find profitable jobs, etc. Also, there’s the issue of making it easier for younger people to become financially well-off. I would possibly contend that many people who are older and wealthy don’t want it to be too easy for younger people to achieve great financial success, as this would pose too much competition for them. As for the people who say that such things would be “disrupting nature”, I would say quite the contrary. You could easily make the case selective breeding is in fact natural, which is why in many species, the males often fight over the females, ensuring that the stronger one is the one which procreates. Today, there are many ways in which this is relevant. People of Asian descent, for example, are known for being good students, which begs the question as to whether this is genetic, or for some other reason. From what I’ve heard, the Chinese government has in some cases practiced eugenics. Yao Ming, the tallest player in the NBA, was the result of intentional breeding of two particularly tall parents. It’s not too bold of a statement to say that in general, people who have two parents who are wealthy and well-educated are more likely to do well in school and be successful in general than people with two poor and uneducated parents. But whether genetics is the reason for this is open to debate. As for the statement about mixing insanity with high intelligence, such a thing is actually more common than you might think. Look at people like John Nash, Vincent van Gogh, and Ludwig von Beethoven. But then, there’s also one quote I like, which is that “There’s a fine line between genius and insanity, separated only by degrees of success.” Yes, I’ve also heard that there is a genetic propensity for alcoholism. As for the statements about “contact with inter-dimensional intelligences”, many of us in occultism believe that any spirits or entities, known by various names, like angels, demons, elementals, etc., are in fact parts of our own mind. When we do things like Goetia or other methods for communicating with spirits, we are tapping into the collective conscious, and communicating with thought forms. As for “Occult pride parades” in his city, there are actually many cities which hold annual “Pagan Pride Days”, as well as several festivals and conference around the country, at which you can hear about a variety of topics relating to occultism.

    • kowalityjesus

      all excellent and relevant comments, thank you

      I will say there is a lot to genetics, e.g. passing on power with birth that was such a universal and widespread practice for countless millenia. I also think, as you touched on in the end, that people may live out a ‘karmic’ fate based on the existence of their ancestors. This may play a tertiary role in analyzing trends between generations (1.effects of being raised 2.innate propensities from genetic encoding 3.the sins/deeds of our fathers). I secretly imagine a tribunal of ancestors and wise spirits negotiating our disposition and fortune before we are conceived and born into this world, which I will be interested when I die to see what the deal is about that.

      I also think there are archetypes of people that transcend race and location. For example, my cousin and my friend remind me more of each other than anyone else I have ever seen or met, even though one is italian/english and the other is black/irish. The resemblance in attitude, mental disposition/capability, physical appearance, and even sexual orientation is uncanny. I figure they have a very similar archetype, one that cannot be explained by race, but is much more ancient than race, and is spawned when a collective knowing has deemed it appropriate to employ that archetype in the world.

      As for merit/intelligence and race, as with any given attribute, I think it is true that we can draw conclusions based on stereotype, *generally not specifically*. I have found that black men tend to reject many white men for being perceived as physically inferior. I think the law of the land in West Africa was very might-makes-right in the sense of a person’s worth was directly related to their physical capability, so many ‘clockmakers’ in Europe who look like stout little weird men are viewed absolutely as a scourge/nuisance by Africans. Although, I think there are very few common attributes that we can attribute to a place as massive as Africa, because of much more important localized-tribal characteristics. For example, when early European explorers were island-hopping in the Caribbean, they would come across cannibals in one place and extremely friendly indians in another, with little rhyme or reason. Thus, how much different does a person whose family was cannibals 20 generations ago act from a person whose ancestors were ‘noble savages?’ This is a very interesting question which has large taboos surrounding it, and it’s for shame that science refrains from exploring such avenues.

  • InfvoCuernos

    I think the real question is why are we still breeding at all?

    • http://americancannibal.org/ American Cannibal

      Because it’s obviously selfish not to birth children. Why deny them the pleasure of a full and wonderful life? And who will take care of us when we get old? Who will see to it that we die with dignity? You think the State will make sure our graves are mown and flower pots refilled? The more children we have, the better off the world will be. The children are our future, you know. Keep pumping, so we have more and more prides of De Leons, spreading seed and economic growth. It pleases Society’s Pocket Book and Heritage. Plus, they get to eat fun stuff to stave off boredom and stickers!!

      • echar

        He looks like he is about to eat the face off of that girl in pink. Also, I co-sign your message. Don’t be stingy with your genitals.

        • http://americancannibal.org/ American Cannibal

          Yes. No one should be stingy with their genitals, but, for god sake’s, USE CONDOMS PEOPLE!

      • Anarchy Pony

        Stickers are definitely worth preserving the human race for.

        • Calypso_1

          …things haven’t been the same since the glory days of scratch-n-sniff.

      • InfvoCuernos

        well, as long as Ronald McDonald endorses it, then I guess its ok. I mean, its only the biosphere. Its not like the Govt. won’t find a good use to put all those surplus rugrats.

  • echar

    Same old same old…. I’d just use plain & straightforward insight,
    but unfortunately, although it is commonly available to all, many would
    not recognize it unless it was packaged up & sold in $1 shops or Walmart or came with tomato ketchup on top. Breeding super humans laid
    bare.

  • n0b0d1

    “As a matter of fact, thinking about the intentional manipulation of
    human genetics isn’t something we look to as the potential next frontier
    for technological exploration at this point in history at all. In fact,
    it’s a concept that’s still looked upon with absolute terror and
    revulsion. This stuff has to be done at random. It just has to. It’s
    God’s plan.
    Well, about that plan, as it works out the people with the least
    resources just so happen to have the most kids a lot of the time. The
    intro to Idiocracy isn’t that far off the mark. Go research it yourself
    if you don’t believe me, they track this sort of thing. That’s a hell of
    a plan God. No, seriously, we’re intentionally writing a genetic
    tragi-comedy with our DNA, and we’re doing this primarily because of
    incredibly outdated ideas about spirituality, sexuality, and how those
    things are tied together.”

    Ah…no…and yes.

    Okay, most of human civilization has been very strict about genetics, whether or not they knew precisely what genes were. Families generally controlled the spread of their genes with or without religious reasons. You said yourself that this is happening “primarily because of
    incredibly outdated ideas about spirituality, sexuality, and how those
    things are tied together.”

    That’s not at all the same as the relatively recent experiment into simply letting people follow their “heart/loins”, i.e. letting natural selection actually play out, unencumbered by “artificial” human concepts. Most of us don’t even actually have that freedom and it is certainly not the case on a global-wide scale…

    I would like a chance to see how things “naturally” play out before we start fine-tuning…for example, we cannot accurately predict what we will need to adapt to in the future and wouldn’t want to accidentally discard/disable/augment a potentially future-useful gene…

    • Calypso_1

      …Hmm, actually had never given any thought to how long of a timescale we need to see the potential results of the uncoupling of controlled societal mating patterns via personal choice. Given that ‘free will’ (whatever and to what extent it may be) is one of the most recent evolutionary & socioeconomic developments, and seems to be part of the continuing emergence of greater control from high informational entropy, perhaps the social constraints are nothing more than early molts of more interesting critters.

      • kowalityjesus

        I think about arabs who can’t handle alcohol when I want to consider recent evolutionary or legacy-epigenetic phenotypical expression. That and cuckold European men. Or hive-mind Asian people.

        • Calypso_1

          What about those blacks – hoarding all the rhythm?

          • kowalityjesus

            that might be primeval

    • kowalityjesus

      yeah man, that is why I am afraid for so many who have spent their lives in front of the computer. Not me or anything, but other people! We will have a nerd genocide if we don’t get these geeks some nookie, all around the developed world.

      • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

        Natural selection is a wonderful thing though: the ones that realize they are spending too much time on the computer and get some nookie… are the ones that don’t spend too much time on the computer.

  • kowalityjesus

    Hell fuckin YEAH they don’t teach you that in school.

  • http://hormeticminds.blogspot.com/ Chaorder Gradient

    Not to say that genetics is unimportant, but it’s always hard to make this point without sounding like that is what I’m saying. Its the nature vs. nurture debate. Using Gjallarbru’s example of two obese parents, I think its very likely any kids they’d have would also be obese; but the question I want to ask is Why?

    It is most difficult to differentiate genetics vs lets say, contageous behaviors between parents and children. Differing behaviors between parents, of lets say, eating habits can be just as dominant, recessive or compromising as genetic information despite having different means of materializing in the child. The problem though, is that it has come to the point where just about any similarity between parent and child comes to be seen as genetic. What I’m trying to say is that some aspects like alcoholism can still “run in the family” but through means other than genetics. Maybe even thought-styles of a schizophrenic parent could prime a child to be schizophrenic later in life.

    Why is this important? Its about the attitude and presumed solution to problems. Research implicates that behaviors, such ast food intake, and even thoughts can have epigenetic changes on a person. The (what I believe to be almost primitive) perspective that genetics are monolithic and unchanging leads people to the conclusions of “thou shalt not breed” when some solutions can be carried out after the fact.

  • kowalityjesus

    Thad, you are such an old-school atavistic druid-bard. That’s why you’re awesome. As Confucious say, “Is it not a sure sign of a gentleman that he does not take offense when others fail to recognize his ability?” To what degree can we consign ourselves to the justice of God when dealing with brutes and clods? I contend that there are a significant number of people with large families that are actually quite freaking awesome. Most are a bit more cow than angel, but who’s to judge?

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