Militiamen And Oath Keepers Drew Weapons, Threatened To Kill Each Other

I imagine this sideshow is getting tougher to defend as the days go by, beyond Bundy’s ignorant racist screed. What is your input, disinfonauts?

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Three wingnuts (Photo credit: Wikipedia)

via Crooks and Liars

The situation at the Bundy Ranch, where armed militiamen and “Patriots” are camped out, has deteriorated so badly that competing factions apparently drew weapons on one another during heated arguments.

The right-wing media tried to sell Americans on the idea that the antigovernment “Patriots” and militiamen who gathered to block the roundup of Cliven Bundy’s illegally grazing cattle in Nevada were well-meaning lovers of liberty. However, Bundy’s most ardent defenders have revealed themselves to be a volatile collection of hotheaded, paranoid men (and a few women) with big egos and even bigger guns.

The situation at the Bundy ranch, where armed militiamen and “Patriots” are camped out, has deteriorated so badly that competing factions apparently drew weapons on one another during heated arguments.

We wrote on Wednesday about how tensions flared when a paranoid rumor of an imminent drone strike on the encampment began circulating. The team that primarily circulated the drone-strike rumor – Stewart Rhodes’Oath Keepers – also began advising people to pull out, which sparked the wrath of militiamen.

Those militiamen voted to oust the Oath Keepers, and a couple even spoke of shooting Rhodes and his men in the back, which they deemed the proper battlefield treatment of “deserters”.

Now Rhodes has replied to their accusations in a video in which he teamed up with fellow Oath Keepers Steve Homan, Robert Casillas and Brandon Ropolla (the latter of whom are also affiliated with Mike Vanderboegh’s so-called “III Percent” movement) to attack the “nutcases” that Rhodes said have assumed control of the militia camp at the Bundy Ranch.

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  • James Edwards

    Goes to show you, not ALL Conservatives are happily linked together in mutual agreement. There will always be that 10% that ‘stirs the pot’ and will NOT come under collective leadership. Another example; The abortion issue. VERY personal, emotional, and equally TOXIC to ALL Christian Conservatives. If you DISAGREE with either party, you are a ‘traitor’ to that RULE OF THOUGHT. It may have gotten BHO re-elected by those who chose to stay home rather than vote for Romney who they believed was NOT strong enough in his anti-abortion stance. Now, they have a man who claims, “America is no longer a Christian nation.” Good thinking, people. Christians may see to their own DOWNFALL in America if they DO NOT UNITE!

    • Juan

      Indeed, sir. Well-meaning Christians must unite against the so-called humanists, devil worshipers, abortionists and fornicators who would steer us away form god’s plan and into the evils of sin that will pollute our precious bodily fluids.
      Praise Jesus and welcome to Disinfo.

      • n_djinn

        Don’t even think of uniting, it won’t help. We out number you 10 to 1.

        • IdahoFireFlyer

          Too bad 100 of your type only equals one man with faith, conviction and truth on his side. Zombies are easily death with. It just requires LOTS of ammo.

          Be seein ya down range

          • Adam’s Shadow

            All this holy/civil war talk is nonsense. No one but the mainstream media clowns who view you as a potential “villainous flavor of the week” are remotely intimidated by you. I have no interest in waging war on anyone short of needing to defend my friends and family from an imminent and direct physical threat, and that includes my fellow citizens, regardless of religion, politics, or ideology. The fact that you are so willing to do so says volumes about you.

          • Oginikwe

            Holy war is the biggest oxymoron I’ve ever heard.

          • gustave courbet

            “The best lack all conviction, while the worst

            Are full of passionate intensity.”

          • Oginikwe

            “Zombies are easily death with.”
            Jeez, now I have to go find my decoder ring . . .

        • Dingbert

          That’s what the Romans said, too.

    • Oginikwe

      Yes, of course. And “The Handmaid’s Tale” is the new Bible.

      • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

        “Fifty Shades Of Grey” is the new esoteric Gnosis™

        • Oginikwe

          I haven’t read it. Heard the buzz though . . .just don’t want to divide my energies right now. Lol.

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            I’ve only heard by second hand experience. Sounds like pretty tame stuff really, but that tends to play well in Merika Land Of The Puritans®.

          • Oginikwe

            Well, it is supposed to be a woman’s book–maybe not your cup of tea, thus the “second hand experience”? Lol. Good for you.

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            Would it be better or worse if I said “third hand experience”?

          • Oginikwe

            Sounds lonely.

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            Well, then to clarify:

            Someone I know…well…has read the trilogy (apparently there is a trilogy). I may or may not have heard a few quotations here or there…

    • overdone

      Yeah let’s unite “Christians” then the government can pit one against the other and start another ‘Crusades” situation……
      What if I’ld like my country back too but I do not believe in any “GOD”, which side do I join, the dead?

      • James Edwards

        You’re already ‘dead’.

        • overdone

          I got alot of company. But at least I’m not brainwashed into believing in talking snakes and other such nonsense, to numerous to list here, for someone who is still drinking the kool-aid and giving their money to a bible-thumper in the hopes they can buy their way out of a firey pit their ever-loving heavenly father built especially to throw them into if he judges they are not “good enough”, but he loves them and all they have to do for destroying millions of lives and murdering hundreds of thousands is call his name, and be saved.
          This is better than a comedy horror novel.

  • InfvoCuernos

    Didn’t I see a post somewhere about the government infiltration of militias? This would be what one of their operations would look like. Either that, or this is what people look like that have shed the rule of law and defend all arguments with hands on the butt of their firearms. Either way, I’m pretty sure this isn’t what a successful revolt would look like.

    • Reasor

      The “Oath Keepers” faction is an organization of former and current state and federal law enforcement and military, which encourages them to disobey orders that might be considered unconstitutional.

      Throw a bunch of militia anarchists who think they’re the law of the land on the same compound with a bunch who are still on state and federal payrolls, and it’s probably obvious after the fact that accusations of “secretly working for the government to undo the movement” are going to get thrown around.

      • IdahoFireFlyer

        It sounds to me as if in fact Oath
        Keepers HAS been infiltrated by agent provocateurs.

        • Tuna Ghost

          It would be basically the easiest and most risk-free infiltration one could shoot for, really

    • Echar Lailoken

      I am going with the latter…

    • Oginikwe

      Would they have to infiltrate? All they had to do was promote this guy’s situation on the Net and they all came running as though it were some kind of dog whistle. These kinds of groups have multiplied exponentially since Obama was elected and what better way to discredit these people than to let them have their head to rush headlong into each others’ ideology? So what if the locals are inconvenienced for a short time–America is getting a good look at these kinds of groups.
      They’re biggest mistake was being steered towards this unethical, selfish, racist man. Imagine how different our take on these guys would be if they’d responded to the illegal foreclosures on soldiers’ homes when those soldiers were overseas fighting or if they’d responded to the eminent domain issues surrounding TransCanada’s illegal eminent domain seizures of lands in Texas for the Keystone. I would have been behind them all the way, so would others, and with that kind of public backing, it’s easier to remain civil and humane because so much more is at stake. That could have started a real movement as well as united our fractured population. But, of course, not many people knew about those illegal land seizures. They did become MSM news until it was over and too late.

      • Echar Lailoken

        I’d rather they left the guns at home and had a huge pot rally. And yes with cake, cookies, brownies, and pies.

        • Oginikwe

          Yes! See, we’ve started a movement!

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            See, this is what Bundy missed out on.

            He should have said he was growing cannabis on Federal Land, like his forefathers before him, and then had the convergence of the stoners and the gun nuts mellow out together.

            Natch, I should have thrown John Mayer into the background to provide the soundtrack…

      • Reasor

        I don’t believe for a second that it’s some kind of mistake that these libertarian militia groups ignore it when the government acts as Big Capital’s stooge, but come a-running when some wealthy land owner wants to chip away at federal protection of land.

        That’s because, like the Tea Party itself, these groups are pure astroturf, funded by trust fund heirs and oil magnates with an inhumane dream of what they would do to extract more profit out of this country if there wasn’t a government to hold them back.

        When the wingnuts aren’t being funded directly by the Kochs and their ilk, all of the media that they consume is, to the same effect. Right wing militia groups like the Oath Keepers and the Mountain Men militias will never show up to protect poor and working people from eminent domain. It will never, ever, happen. They have no problem with the government when it’s working for the money men instead of against them.

        • Oginikwe

          I think you are right.
          Hope springs eternal. I had wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt that they really were on the side of poor and working people and simply having their passions manipulated. While I still have a glimmer of hope that is the case, I am afraid that you might be right.

    • http://voxmagi-necessarywords.blogspot.com/ VoxMagi

      Tragically…since revolts unerringly involve the people most willing to turn to firearms…this is EXACTLY what a real revolt looks like. Allowing them to collapse from within while contained and forced to stew in their own hate is probably the most awe inspiringly clever course of action anyone could have taken to neutralize them.

  • Oginikwe

    This article reads like a bad script for Rambo 3. They are collapsing under the weight of their own projections and delusions.

  • Liam_McGonagle

    If trust is the glue that holds society together, guns must be the acid that disolves it into a bloody goo.

    Is there ANYTHING you can’t make better with guns?

    • Juan

      I can’t think of anything.
      More guns, I say!

      • Oginikwe

        More cake is what we really need.
        Cakes and cookies. Who can be angry and self-righteous around cakes and cookies.

        • Echar Lailoken

          Someone who only likes pie?

          • Oginikwe

            We got blueberry and apple, all home grown. Will that be okay?
            Homemade vanilla ice cream . . .

          • Echar Lailoken

            I only eat Strawberry Rhubard pie, and the Rhubarb and strawberries must be fresh. None of that canned stuff. Jesus came to me in a vision and said the Nephilim begat fresh rhubarb and strawberries for pies. That they are but all food like delights that are to be eaten.

          • Oginikwe

            You are one tough customer to make peace with. You have to wait until late June for that. However, rhubarb cake will be in two weeks or so.

          • Echar Lailoken

            But Jesus said…

          • Oginikwe

            Jesus said, “Let there be cake!”

          • Echar Lailoken

            But my vision that oddly goes along with my personal tastes…

          • Oginikwe

            Okay, Jesus said, “Let there be pie! And, wine! Let there be wine! No fish, though. Too much mercury.” And then Jesus sighed.
            Sigh*

          • nth

            Fish pie?

          • Oginikwe

            Eww! Fish pot pie–yuck.

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            …that bears uncanny resemblance to one of those WMDs™ that Shrub Jr.™ was bleating about…

        • Juan

          Okay, if they were cannabis infused that would be extra special:)

          • Oginikwe

            Whatever works.

      • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

        Baked Goods, Sex, Drugs, & Rock & Roll

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ptPGMXoRAyw

    • Oginikwe

      Sex. But, then of course, I believe that you were referring to weapons in which case my comment still stands.

  • overdone

    Give me a break, everyone knows the Militia and probably the Oathkeepers have been infiltrated by government disinformationist to spread discord amongs the troops…..divide and conquer…… it willl probably work though because both sides are heated and ready to go against anyone, if they had any brains they would pull a detente, check their ranks for the ones creating the tensions and REALLY investigate, who those people are, where they came from, why they’re really there, and then send them away. Then re-unite before the government gets the anit-federal bully groups truly at war with each other giving the government the excuse they’re looking for to send in the national guard/military/state police (what have you) to either disarm and arrest them or kill them where they stand.
    Time to cool down, wake up and have some coffee with each other and work things out.
    Like that will ever happen….Hahahahahahahaha.

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  • mannyfurious

    Nobody likes a cocktease….

  • Ted Heistman

    Hmmmmm…who saw this coming?

  • Ted Heistman

    Thats a good way to look at it.

  • Craig Bickford

    So much disinformation surrounding this whole affair it’s a wonder anyone can tell what is real and what is media or FBI orchestrated COINTEPRO.

  • Juan

    Me too. Natrual selection:)

  • stevesean

    That turned into “The Monsters Are Due On Maple Street” much more quickly than I thought.

    • Juan

      Yes, brilliant reference.

  • aaron

    Rednecks *sigh* ‘Merica.

  • PKYINK

    Man , how is this not over yet? I was halfway on this guys side at first, the whole argument about the cattle disturbing the desert tortoises was bullshit, but between his moronic followers and Bundy not wanting to shut the hell up thinking he’s going to incite a revolution, I’m so sick of it I really don’t think I’d care if the gov did drone strike their asses.

    • Guest

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    • Reasor

      Under the post-Civil War Posse Comitatus act, the President doesn’t have the authority to order military combat missions within the US. That’s now the state Governor’s job, and the the Governor of Nevada has unfortunately sided with Bundy.

      • gustave courbet

        “USNORTHCOM was created on April 25, 2002 when President George W. Bush approved a new Unified Command Plan, following the September 11 Attacks. USNORTHCOM went operational on October 1, 2002.

        The support that USNORTHCOM provides to civil authorities is legally limited by the Posse Comitatus Act, which sets some limits on the role of the U.S. military in civilian law enforcement. However, in case of national emergency, natural or man-made, its Air Forces Northern National Security Emergency Preparedness Directorate will take charge of the situation or event.[2]”

        http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Northern_Command

  • nth

    Excellent. The chemtrail enhanced microwave mind-control is working. Just wait until we establish phase synchronization with terrestrial infrasonic standing waves.

    • Juan

      Seriously, I need it.

      • nth

        That won’t work against the resulting ESHR (enhanced Sasquatch hypnogogic resonance).

        • Juan

          Damn!

          • Echar Lailoken

            Don’t fret bro! This will protect you against the ‘squatch rays.

          • Juan

            Thank you. I feel better now:)

          • Echar Lailoken

            I searched for Sasquatch hat, and this is one of the more ridiculous results.

  • James Edwards

    What built America was NOT dissension, or multiple religions, or – like today – the buzz-words for Liberals – a ‘diverse’ society, or ‘multiculturism’. For all you atheists out there who seem to hate even the ‘idea’ there might be a God, and Christ is the answer to this life and the next, I have this to say to you; As Americans you have the right to dissent, and to tell your side, give your views, and state your case – as I do as a Christian – in a sane, and respectful manner. Just remember this, America was FOUNDED by Christians on Judeo-Christian principles and most of the blood has been shed by CHRISTIAN and JEW patriots who died to keep it that way. Yes,and even some were, I’m sure, atheists. As a former Marine, I never met that many true ‘atheists’ – most described themselves as ‘agnostics’ who had not made up their mind yet. Truthfully, I have had my doubts in my 65 years, but always came back to what I could see; HISTORY! It has always been on the side of that unseen (and to many) unknown, God of our fathers, and their fathers. I believe it still is. I believe America is – and, UNITY is still the key – NOT name-calling, NOT dirty politics, NOT dishonesty, and certainly, NOT a faithless and greedy society.

    • gustave courbet

      I agree with the sentiments you ended your statement with, but still find adherence to any organized religion to be intellectually untenable. Our society is showing the effects of a general and crass nihilism that is born out of material abundance and the total commoditization of the world around us. I would remind you though, that those days of ‘old-tyme’ religion were days of slavery, genocide, indentured servitude, and general savagery.

      • James Edwards

        It is ‘intellect’ that keeps mankind from the raw power of ‘faith’. It is ‘intellect’ that Jesus warned us NOT to confuse with that power. You come to God as a child – not as a ‘learned man’ puffed up with his own concepts – only then can you achieve faith. A step many refuse to consider because of their ‘intellect’. As to your view on ‘old-tyme religion’, how can anyone equate what happened (“genocide, indentured servitude, general savagery”) with the love of God and Christ? What you eluded to was – and still is – the doings of MAN. Let’s put the blame where it belongs. God gives us the WILL to do as we please. What we choose to do with our lives, is up to us. Like any parent, God is there – it’s up to us to find him, and how you find him is up to you.

        • gustave courbet

          I certainly wouldn’t put any blame for the awful doings of man on your concept of God. I was pointing out the huge gap between what historical Christians have done and the admittedly positive messages of the new testament. Unfortunately, your religious argument isn’t even approaching convincing because it is self referential. I have spiritual feelings and tentative beliefs, but I wouldn’t attempt to argue their objective reality, either by citing my personal experience or an ancient book simply because those internal subjective experiences cannot be verified or communicated.

    • Andrew

      By “Judeo-Christian principles” do you mean genociding millions of the native peoples and stealing their land, or building the economy by kidnapping millions of Africans and enslaving them? I ask because neither of those sound very Christlike.

      • James Edwards

        Same old, very tired, and very slanted LIBERAL viewpoint, neglecting every vestige of goodness and greatness connected with building a nation from NOTHING. Was there persecution and wrongdoing? Of course there was. Can you blame it on the church or Christianity in general? Only if you’re a FOOL, an atheist, or a moron who ignores FACTS. Read your history books, ANDREW – it was a time in the world when the human spirit was just beginning to see how wrong slavery was. As to genocide – that’s a stupid and ridiculous claim. You want a case of REAL genocide? Turkey in 1915, when over a million UNARMED Christians were rounded up and systematically slaughtered by MUSLIM leaders! You don’t even understand the term, ‘genocide’. The native Americans fell victim to DISEASE – yes, disease brought by Europeans, no doubt – but, it was NOT a concentrated effort to decimate a people. You people – I give up – nothing can change the Liberal mind, because you’re MINDLESS!

        • Oginikwe

          “The native Americans fell victim to DISEASE – yes, disease brought by Europeans, no doubt – but, it was NOT a concentrated effort to decimate a people.”

          Yes, it was.
          http://academic.udayton.edu/health/syllabi/bioterrorism/00intro02.htm
          “You people.” Really? “You people.”

          If you are holding yourself up as the Christian Golden Mean, you have failed miserably.

          • Andrew

            The guy’s barricaded in his reality tunnel. He only saw a “mindless” “atheist” “liberal” and couldn’t recognize that I was criticizing the founding fathers for not being Christlike, not criticizing Christianity.

          • Oginikwe

            The thing is, “you people” all too easily makes the jump to “you animals” and “you vermin.” Once we turn other people into “its” and “them,” it’s the dog collar and leash photos from Abu Ghraib.

        • Andrew

          > The native Americans fell victim to DISEASE – yes, disease brought by Europeans, no doubt – but, it was NOT a concentrated effort to decimate a people.

          Sorry, I can’t argue with liars.

          • James Edwards

            Nor I with morons.

          • Andrew

            Then it’s definitely to my benefit that you think I’m a moron!

        • Tuna Ghost

          Same old, very tired, and very slanted LIBERAL viewpoint, neglecting every vestige of goodness and greatness connected with building a nation from NOTHING.

          Well, from slave labor in several cases, and also over the graves of the society that was already inhabiting the land, but yeah sure buddy it was built from nothing. And you can definitely blame the Church for the purposeful destruction of native culture with the re-education schools that tried to “teach” the devil out of the savage red man’s children by indoctrinating them with Christian values. That was done on purpose.

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