Sandy Hook truther steals memorial sign and tells mother her the child she lost never existed

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I’m not sure by what degree of torturous reasoning one comes to the conclusion that the shooting at Sandy Hook wasn’t a factual event and that there were no deaths, but I imagine someone will be along shortly to inform me.

A vinyl peace sign installed at a playground in Mystic, Connecticut, dedicated to a victim of the Sandy Hook shooting was stolen last week by a man claiming that the Newtown massacre never happened.

After stealing the 50-pound sign from the Grace McDonnell playground, the man called McDonnell’s mother saying he did it because he believes the shooting at the school was a hoax, according to CBS2.

According to the mother, Lynn McDonnell, the man told her that her daughter “never existed.”

Grace McDonnell was one of twenty children killed by 20-year-old Adam Lanza when he went on a shooting rampage at Sandy Hook Elementary on December 14, 2012. Lanza also shot and killed six adult staff members and his mother.

Sandy Hook ‘truthers’ believe that the Newtown shooting never occurred or was part of a ‘false flag’ operation designed to open the door to the confiscation of all guns by the government.

via Sandy Hook truther steals memorial sign, tells victim’s mother her child never existed.

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  • Anarchy Pony

    These conspiracy whackjobs really need counseling. Of course, that would also be a conspiracy.

    • Andrew

      Perhaps some conspiracies are good?

      • mannyfurious

        The logical ones are. There are some “whackjob” conspiracies that are pretty stupid.

    • signalfire1

      Ever heard of the Gulf of Tonkin incident???

  • BuzzCoastin

    even the chimps are starting to laugh at us

  • VaudeVillain

    Dear asshole who did this,

    This is not a winning strategy. At best, you have viscerally and unnecessarily offended everyone who believes that this woman lost a child. You might as well tell people that no buildings fell down on 9/11 for all the good that this line of argument can do you.

    Your ideal tack really was to argue that, while this was tragic and heartbreaking, it was an aberration that should not be exploited to oppress The People and that however horrific this single anecdote may be that it does not constitute a statistic. Acknowledge the atrocity, and offer sincere condolences, rather than deny.

    Sincerely,
    A Sympathetic Dissenter

    • misinformation

      I was researching a ‘9/11 whistleblower’ a while ago and came across an old thread on a website where the crux of their position ( not the guy I was researching) was that the twin towers were devoid of people when they came down.

      I didn’t spend time figuring out their position on the video evidence of people jumping out of the buildings so I don’t know how they handled that. I consider myself reasonably well-versed on the subject but had never come across that one before.

      In a conversation I heard regarding conspiracies, one of the participants brought up the notion that they believed their ‘crazy line’ to be at the ‘crisis actors’ meme. I think I’d have to agree.

      • VaudeVillain

        Honestly, I don’t identify as a “truther” because I don’t buy into the crazy theories out there that suggest it wasn’t essentially what it looked like… what most of those people seem unwilling to understand is that this doesn’t mean I accept the entirety of the “official story” or that I believe the event was neither expected nor exploited. Bush & Co. didn’t need to commit 9/111, they just needed someone else to, just as Obama & Co. didn’t need to commit Sandy Hook,they just needed someone else to.

        The real “conspiracies” aren’t even secrets, and they generally went into effect after the event(s) anyway.

        • misinformation

          Yea, I think, ironically perhaps, that some of the crazier theories are spun by those who actually blamed for some of these events – helps to distance those who may be on the proverbial fence from thinking too seriously about the particular events.

          As per 9/11, there were way too many financial ‘shenanigans’ for there not to have been foreknowledge – at least. But if the Zapruder film wasn’t enough to prove conspiracy, no amount of financial forensics will ever due, as far as the public are concerned, with regards to 9/11.

        • Mr B

          ‘Bush & Co. didn’t need to commit 9/111, they just needed someone else to, …’

          You mean Dubya wasn’t personally flying those drones?
          Well well.

      • signalfire1

        The ‘jumpers’ may not have jumped. Telephoto lenses that day showed that they may have been pushed out of the building by the people behind them trying to get air, and at least one video exists that looks for all the world like someone being blown out of a window by an explosion… there is also the fact that, that high up and with the building swaying after the impacts, that people fell out from the motion of the building. I have trouble believing anyone would jump from that height on purpose, even with a fire behind them (and the fire wasn’t that bad in the areas where the people were still alive.)

        • misinformation

          That’s interesting. My point, though, was that the website I referenced claimed that the buildings were empty, that essentially nobody had been working in the towers for some time (if my memory serves).

          What you point out is simply another possible means of refuting that position and certainly doesn’t indicate ‘crisis actors’.

    • TruAnRksT

      Your winning strategy seems to be suck Bush’s dick.

      We can’t go that way

      • VaudeVillain

        Your reading comprehension seems to be shit.

        Try harder.

        • TruAnRksT

          Bite me.

          • VaudeVillain

            Only if you ask nicely.

    • TruAnRksT

      I personally know a survivor. There were people in the buildings. But only a few made it out. Regardless of the damage caused by the planes, the elevator and stairwells were compromised dozens of floors below the impact areas.
      It seems as if to make sure there was a high death count.

      bush was/is the greatest terrorist on earth, who will replace him?

  • Tuna Ghost

    Now that’s a class act

  • HCE

    Thereby making all conspiracies look foolish and delusional,
    even those that can be shown beyond doubt to have occurred.

    Et tu Brute, indeed.

    • Mr B

      As we can see from Davakins’ post above.

  • Gordon Klock

    I’m sorry to hear that guy did something so insensitive (assuming he’s mistaken as to the status of the poor lady’s daughter), but is it so hard to see how some of us might have some doubts as to the official version of exactly what happened? No one here noticed the inconsistencies, & lack of actual, physical, evidence?The fact that the school was an unused building for years before,& the first year they opened it the shooting occurred?The girl who had a memorial page put online 24+ hours BEFORE the shooting?That they made the workers sign a non disclosure agreement prior to demolishing the entire building almost immediately afterward?The weird way the parents have acted inconsistently with ones who have suffered such a loss?The way that none of them even wanted to see the bodies?Did anyone see the bodies?Maybe I’m a paranoid nutcase, but the evidence needs a more thorough explanation.
    I’ve only mentioned a fraction of the details that I find disturbing about this,or have you heard all this before?
    (& if so, please explain….)

    • Andrew

      > The girl who had a memorial page put online 24+ hours BEFORE the shooting?

      I’d like to see the evidence of this.

      • Jin The Ninja

        i’d like to see evidence of everything that is being claimed.

      • Gordon Klock

        I just got some weird thing claiming to be the F.B.I. cybercrime division saying that I have been busted, & that my browser has been ‘locked’ & my cache recorded,(whatever any of this means) when I tried to find where I first heard that claim.(does NOT help me with my paranoia)
        At this point, I can only retract that claim, since all the others say that it was put up during the shooting (at least while the school was still in lockdown) which is still odd to me…

        • Jin The Ninja

          that’s a trojan virus. hard to get rid of, but def not a conspiracy.

        • Tuna Ghost

          And for the other claims? Any proof, or is it just “what all the others say”?

          • Gordon Klock

            it would appear that I am somewhat incapable of providing any links that the moderators approve of….

          • Tuna Ghost

            Posts with several links have to be inspected in some fashion before being published, I believe. Something to do with spambots.

          • Matt Staggs

            What links, Gordon? I just checked the “pending” folder and didn’t see anything. Let me know if you’re still having trouble.

        • Jonas Planck

          lol, that’s a scareware page that’s been floating around for a while. Did it ask you for a credit card number? The first iterations of that tactic were attributed to identity thieves somewhere in Asia. Lately it’s been cropping up as a rick-roll used to spook conspiracy theorists. I wouldn’t put it past our friends at the artist formerly known as H.B. Gary, but more likely, you got trolled.

          • Matt Staggs

            Yeah, I had a friend who encountered that thing at a pr0n site, and was terrified. Never looked at pr0n online again. I couldn’t convince him that it was a scam, and he was convinced that the FBI was going to come knock down his door for looking at videos of naked ladies.

          • Gordon Klock

            Yeah, I figured it was some kinda obnoxious B.S., no forewarning & or evidence of anything being ‘locked’…

            Matt: that’s pretty funny, someone being scared from nekkid cutie pics by a spooky screen page like that…

    • signalfire1

      Just to pick a few of your statements out, if you were told that the small child you had sent off to school a few hours before was now full of between three and eleven baseball sized holes, and at least one of those was a head shot, would you insist on seeing the body, or take the ME’s advice and ‘remember them as they were?’ One child’s parents did have an open casket, so they weren’t forbidden from seeing them… The school was apparently in use beforehand, they had a calendar up online and the principal had tweets talking about school doings… the ‘non disclosure agreement’ that the cleaners and demolishers had to sign makes sense in regards to the enormous amount of unwanted publicity this small town endured…and the money that could be made selling gruesome pictures to the tabloids; the ‘predated memorial pages’ were explained, but not well. My biggest question may be ‘how is it possible for the parents to be on CNN smiling and laughing about funerals not long after, complete with full makeup, that ‘glowy’ look that requires special camera work, and their lovely background homes in pretty New England??’ I’d be so devastated talking to CNN and decorating my house and getting all dressed up would be impossible…. And if you read Halbig’s questions, it’s obvious the man isn’t the brightest bulb in the room, regardless of his background in education. He asks questions that have already been answered, or that a bit of research will answer, like ‘why no helicopters were called, or why was everyone standing around aimlessly?’ Because they had 26 dead people in the school, apparently, the first videos only started to come out one hour after it was all over, and they had to figure out how to deal with the parents that were waiting for word 1/4 of a mile away…

  • notalent

    Torturous reasoning, take 1. Sandy hook was clearly a factual event.
    20 kids were pronounced dead by unknown persons within minutes of the event, EMT protocols were not followed, parents were not allowed to see the children (ever) who were left in the school for @ 20 hours before being removed in the middle of the night.
    No list of names or sexes of the victims was contained in the police report.
    The town clerk worked to actively obfuscate any information regarding the victims.
    FOIA requests, and questions to state agencies and the Newtown school board have been ignored regarding any basic information regarding the School.
    Any number of contradictory and conflicting information was released to the media via ‘anonymous’ or ‘official’ sources that were never confirmed or retracted.
    A barrage of bizarre media snafu’s that can be seen on a zillion ‘wingnut’ youtube videos including real time shooter drills being run at another school, green screen footage and other fun stuff.
    These are just a couple “tortured reasons”, why some people might be just slightly skeptical. Any attack on the alleged victims only serves to perpetuate an official story that is murky and tortured at best. Interesting that it comes on the heels of the (may 6th) questioning of the school board by folks like Prof. Jim Fetzer.
    There are so many reasons this case is interesting, from a “disinformation” point of view. Layers and layers of confusing strangeness.
    Of particular interest to me is the idea of gov’t/media/intelligence possibly constructing psyops out of whole cloth to observe the dissemination of information through a medium like the internet and its various subsets.

    Ciao kids.

    *anarchy p –counseling is being sought.
    *buzz c…the chimps have always laughed at me
    *regarding 911….what do we actually know 100% after all the BS we were told and shown on that day……..

    • mannyfurious

      Number 1 reason we all know it didn’t occur and was just a piece of theatre put on by the “powers that be”:

      None of us own any guns anymore, and gun ownership is now illegal.

      Oh, wait….

      • aaron

        When did he say he didn’t happen? Twisting words now? What are you part of the mainstream media or something?

        As for the gun ownership, they dont have to take guns away they just have to restrict and cut down severely on ammunition sales and manufacturing because a gun with out bullets is pretty worthless and bullets expire, so anyone with stock piles of ammunition that cant rotate their stock will have a bunch of worthless ammo in a long enough period of time. And if you have been to a public gun show or just anywhere that sells large amounts of ammunition you can see very easily the notably less amount of ammunition available.

        • mannyfurious

          I wasn’t twisting any words. I was pointing out that if this was some kind of conspiracy it was the worst planned conspiracy ever, because it had the opposite effect of what would’ve been intended, and conspiracy theorists (the nutty kind) can’t have it both ways. They can’t say that there is a group of people who control every intricacy of what happens, and yet be so incompetent that their plans fail so exorbitantly. It’s an either/or situation.

          Oh wait, ammunition sales have dropped slightly, so that a government with drones and advanced weapon technology can have an advantage over the populace with handguns and shotguns. That one also makes tons of sense. Their plan worked perfectly…..

          • aaron

            There is more than one “theory” about this and pretty much anything really. So how is grouping conspiracy theorists into one group proving your point in any way? Yes im sure you have talked to and analyzed every persons theory about what could or couldnt happen…give me a fucking break. Do you even know what theory actually means?

            As for the gun stuff I never said it was related I was saying its happening. Corrupt Polticians, the elite rich that dominate politics and finances and control a lot of respurces, or anyone who would want to prevent revolution are not bullet proof and they know this fact. If you think the fact that there are 100 million guns in the United States Plus the fact that a large portion of the military would most likely defect in some sort of situation like that doesn’t make them worried or scare them then sorry but you are dillusional.

          • mannyfurious

            No, I don’t know what theory actually means. I’ve made it this far in life without ever really hearing the word. From my very limited understanding, for a theory to be valid, it needs supporting evidence. That evidence must provide for a logical series of events that meet the standards of logic (obviously), causation and opportunity. In every event on this planet, there are unknowns that will not and cannot ever be accounted for. The more complex the situation, the more unknowable unknowns. For the sake of simplicity, we can refer to these unknowns as “plot holes.” “Theories”–again, from my rather pedestrian understanding, seeing as I don’t actually know what one is– are simply narratives, so this language works for our purposes.

            Just because there are “plot holes” doesn’t mean you can just throw any idea (or theory) into the mix and expect it to be accepted or valid. Just because there are a handful of plot holes surrounding Sandy Hook (just as there are plot holes in EVERY crime), doesn’t mean ideas like “it never really happened and 20 kids didn’t actually get shot to death” aren’t fucking obscenely retarded and shouldn’t be met with violent scorn and derision. (Let me note, as well, that I would technically be labeled a conspiracy theorist because I believe there are a tone of conspiracies going on each and every day. But I don’t accept every dumbshit, idiotic, pea-brained theory that every moron dreams up).

            Get off the gun fetish. The revolution has already been lost, because people like you don’t really understand what the battle was about. It wasn’t a battle of weapons and bodies. It was a battle for the mind, and we already lost that battle. The powers that be won the war not with drones and helicopters and tanks, but with iPhones and playstations and football and facebooks and polarizing political theatre. People are under the illusion that they have stuff to lose and they wouldn’t risk losing it for some imaginary “revolution” that angry, bitter, immature halfwits are always spouting off about.

          • aaron

            You are a fool if you beleive any official story related to the sandy hook shooting. Never said it didnt happen so there you go twisting words again. Apparently you do love assuming and twisting words because you also did it when I mentioned guns. When did I say the revolution was about guns or violence, I said the ones who are afraid of a revolution are scared of the population having guns. You should work on your comprehension skills clearly they are lacking.

            And no shit the revolution is about the mind and control of information and if it has been lost (which I doubt) its only because people like you have given up already. The internet is the only reason any movement has gained momemtum because people have mostly free reign to access information as before the internet almost all forms of information were propaganda. Any revolution will gain momentum still as long as the internet is not controlled like they are trying to do by allowing your only ability to get online to be through a few major corporations that can freely control the data you access and block certain sites and rerout your requests to different pages, etc etc. I personally will not give up on it till im dead, I dont give up and conform just because it is difficult or becuase most people are conforming.

          • mannyfurious

            Haha. You’re an interesting one.

            I’m obviously wasting my time, and so I’ll disengage, but I want to leave you with a couple of points before I do.

            1. I actually enjoy most of your posts, so I’m a little disappointed we’ve been reduced to this kind of arguing with each other.

            2. I wasn’t twisting anybody’s words. I was speaking about the theories of the person who stole the monument and called the mother of the dead child. An idea, from the looks of your posts, which would be reasonable to infer you are sympathetic to.

            3. It’s possible to exist in the world without “conforming.” I see our society for the joke that it is, and I participate only as much as is necessary to provide for my family and to give my children–when they are old enough– an option to either participate in the game themselves or not to. I don’t want to make that decision for them, because it’s not my decision to make, and to “conform” IS easier and I don’t hold it against anybody if they choose to do so.

            4. Even if you won the “revolution” then what? Everybody’s supposed to “conform” to your standards? What about the others who disagree with your views or your “revolution”? Tough luck, I suppose? Yesterday’s oppressed are tomorrow’s victors are next week’s oppressors.

          • aaron

            Yea I agree sorry for the arguing we will leave this as what it is. I dont think sandy hook didnt happen i just dont believe official reports. Yes I agree about seeing the society as the joke it is however you cant deny that deep down inside it makes you unhappy the way it is and it still will continue to subconsciously bother you. As for winning the revolution I have no idea what would happen especially since I doubt it would even happen within my life time but we would come to that road when we reached it. You make good points so dont think I completely disagree with you. Good day :)

      • notalent

        Your response does seem a little simplistic and disingenuous, and not at all related to the content of my post, but okay, I’ll bite.

        As far as gun control, Sandy Hook was effective in pushing through restrictive legislation in some states, and as you point out increasing firearm sales as well. Agreed, that a 30 shot magazine vs. a 7 shot isn’t going to up your chances too much against Apache helicopters and Bunker Busting drones. However, what if this had little to do with gun control or prescription drugs and mental health for that matter?

        What if, for instance, this is one of a series of acts of Operation-Gladio style terrorism (real or imaginary,each would have certain benefits) that are used to wound the national psyche and then offer phony palliatives like SHpromise, Unity project, Boston Strong ect, but effectively numb the people .One method of counter-intelligence is to flood your enemy with disinformation, so they end up fighting you in an “unreal” world where you have a distinct advantage. Could a “hoax” be used to this end?

        • mannyfurious

          Well, it was meant to be a simple response (this is a comments section, not an a place to submit essays)… but it’s not disingenuous.

          I will say, “Yes” to the question posed at the end of your final paragraph. A hoax could be used for such means. And I believe some of those such hoaxes are occurring every day.I would be open to the idea that it was used as such in Sandy Hook if there was actually any evidence beyond a few far-fetched “theories” from overly-paranoid people.

          What I think about Sandy Hook is that the evidence is pretty clear that it actually happened and people lost their fucking kids. It’s a tragedy of the worst sort. However, I don’t put it past the “powers that be” to manipulate the tragedy to further some sort of agenda. The problem is I think it’s very clear that there was very little effort to use the tragedy to expand any kind of “gun control.”

  • fmpu

    I can appreciate the notion that it’s a “good thing” to do to acknowledge this grisly event and that it was a rare type of event… Of course at the time it was buoyed by all those other creep-out stories like Loughner (it’s not “Loff-ner,” it’s “Lone-er”) and Holmes, and Boston. This big flurry of madness became America’s new reality-television, and I’m not surprised there are people unwilling to go to battle over what they believe might be truth. That’s just too much work for most of us! While I can’t say I condone the acts of the thief, I agree there is a wiser approach to the matter.

  • fmpu

    And the name of this “truther” is…. Wait, why didn’t they say the name of the person responsible for the theft?

    • doodahman

      exactly.

    • BrianApocalypse

      I don’t think they know the name. The mother of the child in question
      was contacted by the man responsible for the theft. All of this could be
      done anonymously.

      • aaron

        So basically what you are saying is ANYONE could have called and said this or made up a reason why they stole it or the woman herself could have hid the sign to gain some sort of attention….hmmmm seems like there are a lot of holes in this story already.

        • BrianApocalypse

          Sure, if you want to go ahead and just accuse the woman in question of being a liar. After all, she’s already suffered through the murder of one child, how about some more attention and stress?

          What do you want? A name and picture of the guy who did it or you won’t be satisfied? If we knew those things, you’d just accuse the guy of being a plant.

          • aaron

            Never said he was or wasnt a plant and she is or isnt a liar. Point is instead for just believing everything you are told by the government like a good little sheep try being skeptical or learn how to use critical thinking skills cuz you clearly lack them.

          • BrianApocalypse

            “the woman herself could have hid the sign to gain some sort of attention”

            “Never said he was or wasnt a plant and she is or isnt a liar.”

            Your argument is a puff of nothingness.

          • aaron

            I gave you different possible scenarios of what It could be and there are more possibilities than what I listed so when was I making any sort of argument? I already explained the point of the post in my previous reply….learn critical thinking skills and with how much disinformation there is in the world be skeptical regardless of sources.

          • BrianApocalypse

            It’s all speculation based upon what you already believe. There’s nothing solid in anything you’ve said, just vague imaginary possibilities.

            Nobody here needs to be told to “be skeptical” or to “wake up”, OK?

          • aaron

            I never have stated what I believe so you can keep on assuming all day. And there plenty of trolls on this site that see what people share on social media sites then come comment so I call it how I see it.

  • davakins

    Oh, more disturbed individuals spreading their truth. Just what we need. These truths amount to crap. They are the worst people to work with, there is never a moment of peace when they are around. Those of us just trying do our job suffer through megalomaniacal pathos. Who can imagine the trauma this woman felt because of this sociopath?

    Not to say that that the PTB should be without suspicion, it just seems that these people have no solutions

    • Tuna Ghost

      that’s probably just because they have no solutions

      • TruAnRksT

        Their is no solution short of armed disobedience.
        The only way to verify what happened is to confront the people involved. With force if needed.

        Until that happens no truth will be revealed.

        ________________________
        It is quite possible for god to not exist … It is not possible for the truth to not exist.

  • Mr B

    Why not name him say a sceptic, rather than a ‘truther'; so as not to wholesale denigrate the 9/11 Truth movement?

  • aaron

    Im not saying the event and shooting didnt happen but if you believe the official story then sorry but you are a sheep and dont even know it.

    Also I wouldnt be surprised if this theft of the sign was a false flag technique designed to discredit anyone asking questions about the official story. Wake up people they will use ANY tactic to deceive you and trick you amd discredit whistle blowers and people pointing out discrepancies in reports.

    • Tuna Ghost

      Any tactic? Does their power know no limits? Seems like a good excuse to whip out for when nobody takes your claims seriously, doesn’t it?

  • doodahman

    So some anonymous “truther” did this evil thing eh? Must be true because someone said it, huh? One thing for sure– it’s handy for people who want to shut down the movement for full disclosure and transparency for that very weird, very anomalous event.

    Actually, one other thing for sure– somebody puts in a newspaper, most people will believe it without questioning.

  • aaron

    Hmm not sure why you seem so confused…..

    dis·in·for·ma·tion

    disˌinfərˈmāSHən/

    noun

    false information that is intended to mislead, especially propaganda issued by a government organization to a rival power or the media.

    Do you even understand the actual point of this website? I would say clearly you do not….

    • Chad Burke

      Co2 is co2, regardless of the source. He’s pointing out what a joke it is that what we all exhale with each breath is now classified as an atmospheric pollutant and is feared and maligned as such.

      • aaron

        Well if you dont understand science of greenhouse gas effects and the fact that fossil fuels produce millions of times more than all human breathing does then yea you probably would take it as a joke.

        • Chad Burke

          If you still buy into the “science” behind AGW then you are a joke.

          • aaron

            There are many other factors than just CO2 and the fact that you use global warming and not what it actually is, which is climate change means you clearly have no idea what you are talking about and have been watching too much FOX news or CNN.

          • Chad Burke

            The two are interchangeable, only having switched in popular usage to climate change when it became apparent the warming wasn’t occurring. As for my depth of knowledge, I hardly need or care for your input as you are obviously a tool looking to argue with any comment made here. Seriously, look at your history. Do you ever agree with anyone? Are you the lone voice of reason?

      • Andrew

        The real causes of climate change are deforestation and ocean acidification.

        • Chad Burke

          The real causes of climate change are natural climate cycles. That’s not to say that deforestation and ocean acidification aren’t real problems. We don’t have the ability to accurately model weather 3 days out. Predicting climate change 20 or 50 or 100 years from now is absurd. Predictions made 20 years ago haven’t even come close to happening, why believe what the same clowns are predicting for the next 20?

          • aaron

            LOL stop reading propaganda. Global climate change will create even more unpredictable weather around the globe and floods in some areas and drought in others and blizzards in some areas and extreme heat in others and no its not caused from natural climate cycles only that is only a part of it.

          • Chad Burke

            Wrong, the past couple years have been some of the quietest tornado and hurricane seasons on record. There has been NO increase in catastrophic weather trends over the past 100 years. Try looking at data, not hearsay. That’s all you get from me. Not gonna waste my time preaching to a believer. Respond if and how you please.

          • Andrew

            I disagree.

          • Chad Burke

            That’s allowed.

        • aaron

          True deforestation is the main cause but when you add all the carbon we throw in the atmosphere on top of taking the plants away that remove it you have a serious problem plus ocean acidification is just a by product of the excess CO2.

  • Tuna Ghost

    It feels odd that I should have to tell you this, but several hours of YouTube videos don’t count as “evidence”.

    What, exactly, in your view, is evidence for your claims? Names, dates, video footage, a paper trail, scientific studies, anything like that.

    • Gordon Klock

      Not all of those are YouTube vids,though admittedly most have vids attached, I guess you maybe are asking for the actual,courtroom-type records,etc. as opposed to news articles,etc., a competent journalist I’m not.
      To be honest, I would not have posted in the first place if I knew that this was going to turn into such a big deal, considering that I don’t necessarily “believe” either argument, one way or the other, I was just trying to point out that some us have doubts….

      • Tuna Ghost

        Doubts are fine, since it never pays to put too much faith in the federal government, but you made some very bold claims.

        You made didn’t pussyfoot around, which is nice — often people say they “have doubts” and refuse to commit to anything, they just pretend that all their doubts combined don’t paint a fairly clear picture of what they think happened. I’m sorry to see you abandoning them as soon as someone asks for evidence. Under the circumstances, why should anyone trust your word? Would you trust mine, if I made claims and then backed off as soon as you asked me to present evidence?

  • Tuna Ghost

    Guess we’d probably be better of if we stop
    (are dead) breathing.

    Yes. Obviously. Fuck humanity to death. Starting with you, then me, then the rest.

  • TruAnRksT

    It never happened it was 100% staged

    As far as 9/11 goes the video of the second plane tells the entire story, forget about pods or supposed rockets and just look at the plane, there is a crease line down the middle of the fuselage on the bottom. There is not a single commercial aircraft with that detail. Guess what, the military version does have that detail.

    And there were NO Arabs involved.

  • TruAnRksT

    Hey if people can’t connect the dots, then soon the US mil will be killing people in the streets. Just as I/we did in Vietnam.

    They have to be held accountable. Or we are all lost.

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