Would-Be Revolutionaries Turn Guns On Themselves After Killing Three in Las Vegas Shooting

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“Tell the police the revolution has begun!” the suspects – a man and a woman – are reported to have said after murdering two police officers at a pizza parlor on their lunch break at a pizza parlor. The suspects then left and murdered a third person in front of the Walmart that they chose as the scene of their murder/suicide.

LAS VEGAS (KSNV MyNews3.com) — UPDATE: Five people — including two Metro police officers — are dead in a shootout late Sunday morning in the northeast part of the valley.

Two Metro officers were on their lunch break at the restaurant. The officers were ambushed and shot at Cici’s Pizza, 309 N. Nellis Blvd. about 11:25 a.m. One died at the scene and the other died later while in surgery at UMC.

The officers killed have been identified as Alyn Beck, 42, and Igor Soldo, 32. Beck leaves a wife and three children while Soldo is survived by his wife and a baby.

The suspects was quoted as saying something to affect “this is a revolution.”

The two suspects shot the two Metro officers and removed their weapons.

Then the two suspects went to Walmart and shot and killed a citizen near the front of Walmart.

Metro officers found the suspects in Walmart and there was gunfire. The female suspect then shot the male suspect and then killed herself.

All suspects are accounted for and Metro at this time is not looking for any other suspects.

via Five killed, including 2 Metro officers, in shootout – Las Vegas MyNews3 – KSNV.

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  • Anarchy Pony

    Great plan.

    • InfvoCuernos

      pizza flavored obviously.

      • Anarchy Pony

        Which pizza flavor? Hawaiian? Supreme? Plain old pepperoni?

        • InfvoCuernos

          It was a pretty small revolution, so I’m guessing “pizza-flavored” like a hot pocket.

          • aaron

            Or those Totinos pizza rolls.

        • BuzzCoastin

          it’s stars & stripes forever pizza
          the menu promises the works
          butt delivers the same ole same ole

        • Echar Lailoken

          Batman

  • Rhoid Rager

    Guns take away the creativity of revolution.

    • BuzzCoastin

      the revolutions of the enlightenment
      started with guns and ended up using money as weapons

  • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

    I object to the statement that 5 people are dead as a result of this incident.

    The very next paragraph details that the total of 5 included 2 police officers. Obviously, this reduces the number of people who were killed to 3.

    • Rhoid Rager

      No people died last week in Moncton, either.

      • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

        Indeed, but I didn’t feel obligated to say anything at the time, since that’s a foreign country and I’m less aware of how extensively they differentiate between human beings and agents of the State.

        • aaron

          Canada is practically a suburb of the U.S. in terms of plutocratic control of government and MSM propaganda and growing police state and their government backing US policies, so you can probably be safe to assume its the same as here.

    • gustave courbet

      What an awful, dehumanizing sentiment.

      • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

        The Truth is very frequently characterized as such.

        • aaron

          So your saying the truth is the people that did this are not human and police are? Hmm… What a terribly warped dillusional view of reality you have.

          • Opposite Day

            Other way around.. Police = not people. Keep that in mind and then re-read why Zenc said.

          • aaron

            Haha yep I see that now mr opposite day. Clearly I was just following your screen name.

        • gustave courbet

          The irony is that you are adopting the sociopathic objectification of human beings that despotic state power uses to justify its murderous behavior, and projecting it back on the agents of the state. You apparently have that in common with the more retrograde elements of the police.

          • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

            Dad taught me how to backburn as well as anyone.

          • gustave courbet

            Not familiar with the term, is that similar to double-think?

          • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

            No.

            It was an indirect way of me saying I know how to fight fire with fire. (Both literally and figuratively) And I generally have no objection to repaying men in their own coin.

          • gustave courbet

            Ah gotcha. While I understand the visceral rage that comes with witnessing state oppression, I don’t think its A) accurate to characterize all police officers as inhuman monsters deserving of execution, B) desirable to base one’s revolutionary ideals on those of the psychopaths that already run the show. If we were to have your kind of revolution, we’d be trading Lenin for the Tzar, which to my mind is a lateral move.

          • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

            A) They chose to become inhuman monsters. Inasmuch as anyone has free will, it was all them, I had nothing to do with their choice.

            B) You’re presuming to know that I have “revolutionary” ideals and to not only know what they are, but also how they would play out.

          • gustave courbet

            to your A) You have yet to address the initial point i made so I’ll reiterate it again (and again if need be): ‘They’ are individual human beings that you are dehumanizing. ‘They’ are a heterogenous group, some of which are decent human beings and some of which are most definitely dangerous and brutal, but you are assuming that ‘they’ are all evil and deserving of murder because ‘they’ put on a costume at the beginning of their work day. This is an opinion that doesn’t square with the facts or deal with the complexity of reality, but is an emotionally satisfying reaction to oppression.

            to your B) I am not presuming anything about your ideals other than what can be extrapolated by your position advocating murder based on generalization. You may be a communist or a black-blocker or a libertarian, but all world views that advocate indiscriminate violence produce the same results, that is more of the same, which you think you oppose.

          • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

            A) “They” chose to take money in exchange for doing or threatening violence against people of their own “ingroup”.

            That makes them inhuman thugs, not good people. They are by definition not “good people” if they’re taking money to hurt members of their own society. In exchange for cash, they have given up being humans. The law very clearly recognizes this fact, because attacking or killing an officer of the law is a different crime than normal assault or homicide.

            So I’ll repeat, again and again, if necessary: Taking money for doing violence to members of your own society makes you less than fully “human”.

            Doing violence against someone because they’re trying to break into your house, you’re still human. Doing violence against someone because you catch them humping your wife with all the proper consents, you’re still human. Killing small brown people, or tall blonde people in foreign countries, you’re still human.

            Hurting or killing your neighbors for cash? Congratulations, you just renounced your humanity.

            B) I don’t advocate indiscriminate violence. I certainly don’t advocate murder. “Murder” is an unjustified homicide.

            I would never advocate unjustified homicide.

          • Andrew

            Good ≠ human.

          • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

            I agree with that.

            But taking cash for hurting your neighbors…

          • gustave courbet

            So what ideology to do you espouse, as far as the initiation of lethal force is concerned?

          • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

            I’m appalled by the notion of ideologically driven violence.

          • gustave courbet

            And yet you’ve condoned it in our previous interaction. You certainly don’t adhere to the libertarian principle of non-initiation of force, unless you’re channeling it through the Bush doctrine first. You have already espoused the ‘legitimacy’ of killing individual humans because they are part of a larger group that has some members that act in bad faith. If you’re endorsement of killing cops isn’t based on ideology, what is it based on?

          • http://www.ContraControl.com/ Zenc

            I’m not sure if you’re being intentionally obtuse, but you’ve kept this up for days now.

            I’m sorry if your father, or sister or favorite uncle is a cop and you just can’t come to grips with the fact that they’re one of the bad guys.

            I’ll grant that not all cops are bad guys when they start out. There are undoubtedly seriously deluded individuals that take the job without fully understanding the implications. But after say, two years, those individuals will have either quit the (rather tellingly named) Force or tacitly accepted their role as “thug”.

            There’s no need for any elaborate ideological justifications. The cops are the “BAD GUYS”. I suppose you’ll have to take my word for it, but I know all about “Bad Guys”. I come from a long, long line of “Bad Guys”. Yes, some were cops.

            When bad things happen to “Bad Guys”, we don’t throw a pity party for them and wring our hands. We say “He sure had that coming” and go on about our business.

            When a carload of Crips machine guns a carload of Bloods, we (meaning most people) don’t say “Gee, that’s not fair, some of those Bloods might have been good people”.

            Nope, we don’t say that at all. We say something like “Hmm, if they didn’t want to get machine gunned, they probably shouldn’t have been in a fucking street gang.”

            I certainly don’t have to provide an ideological justification for the Crips.

          • gustave courbet

            Thanks for an actual reply. I appreciate you taking the time to describe how you have come to your world-view. On a personal note, I am anything but obtuse about police violence; it’s one of my subjects of study (no cops in my family FYI). My friends and family know me to be the first person to bring up the sociopathy of police behavior, it’s long tradition, and its corrosive influence on society. My initial point was simple, if subtle, and I have yet to successfully convey it to you, so I won’t reiterate it again but at it’s core was as attempt to illicit nuance (the ability or willingness to look at the complexity of a situation without reducing it to a reactive comparison or simplistic trope out of cognitive convenience) and compassion (the ability or willingness to see the other in you and yourself in them, and to aspire to something better than the perpetual cycles of violence that describe the human story so far).

        • Andrew

          “The Truth” is a lie.

      • Andrew

        I just thought it was a funny joke.

  • InfvoCuernos

    Pretty low goals if you’re done with revolution after two cops and an innocent bystander.

    • Adam S.

      It’s Vegas, baby.

    • BuzzCoastin

      nobody at Walmart is an innocent bystander
      unlucky maybe

      • NDMagoo

        Well, they’re on scooters, so I think that would make them by-sitters!

    • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

      Vegas? Pizza Parlor? Walmart?

      I think we can go dumber…

  • BuzzCoastin

    it’s nudnickz like these
    that give revolutionaries a bad name

    Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Madison
    were all revolutionaries
    Washington had guns

    • InfvoCuernos

      The SLA had a bigger revolution than these two, and nobody even remembers them.

      • BuzzCoastin

        Free Patty

        • InfvoCuernos

          Clinton already did, on his way out.

      • alizardx

        IMO,you are correct to remember the historically accurate version of the political unrest of the ’60s when looking at this and not the sanitized version presented by public education and mass media.

        The 1971 Powell Memo http://billmoyers.com/content/the-powell-memo-a-call-to-arms-for-corporations/ was created as a reaction to this sort of thing, its author and intended audience thought information control by the .001% plus a bit of low-cost political repression could prevent mass unrest from happening again regardless of what the .001% did to the masses.

        What they actually accomplished was to weld down the safety valve of protest that keeps the boiler of unrest from exploding. The irony is that they succeeded in their goals completely. They remade politics and education in their own image. Protest is usually confined to “protest pens” where it won’t inconvenience the .001% or the people they directly bought.

        I don’t think these two recent incidents are going to be the last. The police get to absorb the blame for the people they “are just following orders” of

      • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

        Some of us remember.

        I naively like to think that those that take the case study to heart learned some lessons about talking too much about certain topics.

        http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0884842/

        I didn’t live the highlights, but in retrospect, the more enduring legacy is here…

        http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0343168/

        • Echar Lailoken

          One or two of them lacked a steady hand.

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            “don’t be that guy”

          • Echar Lailoken

            Or the people in the general area of that guy.

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            the karma of violence does enact a heavy toll

          • Echar Lailoken

            Violence can be viewed as a losers script.

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            Pain generally indicates “something is wrong”
            Seems to me that inflicting pain does kind of work at cross purposes…

          • Echar Lailoken

            I know it’s not popular with certain radicals, but I view violence and destruction as a great way to cause an eclipsing of forwarding actions. It’s like one step forward, followed by a giant leap back. From my perspective.

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            Violence and destruction tend to be rather immediate forms of activist gratification.

            Physical violence is not a tactic that I embrace, but I freely acknowledge there are different ways to view the game board. While I think the efficacy of zero-casualty property destruction is questionable at best, I can see a case for theoretical application.

            All that said, “the state” does tend to have a monopoly on violence. Kind of arrogant/ignorant/delusional to assume a few ill-conceived uses of state’s favorite tool will break their control on the medium.

          • Echar Lailoken

            Well said.

        • Echar Lailoken

          I agree with your last comment. The movie pretty much says, in their own words:

          We started out with good intentions, then shit go real, then really real with an explosion on top, and eventually we either got thrown in jail or had to live on the run for years. Also, it’s not worth it.

          That may be my interpretation of it, distorted by time. It’s been a couple years.

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            Been a few years here, too. But I think that summary works.

            I wonder if the capper of it not being worth it was being trotted out and vilified again by the Far Reich™ to smear a glorified brand manager.

            Meanwhile Ollie North is doing quite well for himself. Merica!

          • Echar Lailoken

            There’s a lesson in this.

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            If you’re going to be Principled℠, at least go with the side that gets you $$$

          • Echar Lailoken

            I think the movie The East (2013) has the right idea.

            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1869716/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            A young woman (Brit Marling) infiltrates a dangerous activist group that targets negligent corporations in this sexy thriller that also stars Alexander Skarsgård and Ellen Page.
            (via Amazon)

            Sold!

            Or queued, at any rate.

          • Echar Lailoken

            Every one of her movies are worth watching. Seriously, queue them all.

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            I was all excited until I recognized a certain somebody who is “not famous anymore”…

            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1381404/

          • Echar Lailoken

            You gotta admit, his public emotional breakdown was rather interesting. Perhaps that whole thing was a publicist priming the public for his return as a more serious actor, one who plays dastardly villains.

            I’ve got this view about certain actors who play themselves in virtually all their movies. I start to hate them, and only regain respect after they return as villains. The hero is just a jackass in tights, so to speak, without a great villain. Take Gladiator for example. Joaquin Phoenix made that movie.

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            Joaquin Phoenix… indeed…
            Interesting theory.

            “There’s no such thing as bad press”

          • Echar Lailoken

            I meant the movies written by her, some directed and acted in.

            The East
            (written by)

            Another Earth
            (written by)

            Sound of My Voice
            (written by)

            also queue up Child of God, based on a book by Cormac McCarthy and directed by James Franco. I know what you are thinking, Franco, but seriously, this movie is the fantastic. Far better than the bloated The Counselor (screenplay McCarthy), which is still entertaining, but fell short. It’s made me want to watch As I Lay Dying.

            http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1951095/?ref_=nv_sr_1

          • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

            I did quite enjoy Sound Of My Voice. I didn’t feel like it delivered on the promise of the concept, but it was some bold filmmaking nonetheless.

            Franco can surprise from time to time. He has a little more life to him than the typical Hollywood rumor mill grist. Looks like he’s having some distro troubles though.

            On a bit of a tangent… did you know Uwe Boll made a watchable film?

            http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0093051/

          • Echar Lailoken

            I found Assault on Wall Street to be entertaining.

        • Echar Lailoken

          Here’s another legacy that’s parallel.

          http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0161216/

  • aaron

    “The suspects were quoted as saying something to affect “this is the start of the revolution” when they ambushed the two officers. The sheriff could not confirm the statement.”

    Something to the effect* …some fantastic editing going on in the MSM today.

    Second, now im gonna call bullshit on the whole fact this was even said since it cannot even be confirmed., This seems like a mainstream media propaganda twist on the situation to yet again bring a bad name to or discredit any revolutionary type movements.

    • InfvoCuernos

      Nice catch. I guess the Main Stream Media decided that “We’re teabaggers and we’re gonna kill all the liberals with our gun show guns!” would have been a bit much just yet. I knew this wasn’t the start of the revolution; I haven’t received a bat signal yet.

    • BuzzCoastin

      it was affect that they were going for

      • aaron

        It should have been effect. Effect is a result of something or change caused by an affect.. Affect is an effect or action changing something. The words are easily confused on a regular basis.

        • BuzzCoastin

          true butt
          it was an affect that the story generated
          that was the intent of the story

    • philip d

      “Among the clues: a ‘Don’t Tread on Me’ flag and a Nazi swastika the couple placed on one of the police officers they ambushed Sunday at a pizza restaurant.”

      Also they have a quote from an actual person: “As they walked out, they passed Alvaro Lopez. ‘They had a backpack, and I saw a gun in their hand,’ Lopez told CNN affiliate KLAS. ‘He just told me to tell the cops that it was a revolution and that he’d just killed two cops inside CiCi’s.’ ” So you’re saying the “mainstream media propaganda” just made this guy up and his quote?

      “Police found documents the couple left behind in Fielder’s apartment that included detailed plans to take over an unidentified courthouse and execute public officials. The file box full of documents, along with three empty rifle cases and an empty box for handcuffs, were confiscated by officers, who used an explosive charge to blow open an apartment door in the Millers’ complex.”

      They were also kicked out of the Bundy Ranch for him being a felon.

      Sounds like at least in their own minds they were trying to start a revolution.

      • aaron

        Nazi symbols and dont tread on me doesnt prove anything was said and they could just be antigovernment anarchist types and not revolutionary types. And you pointing out that CNN said something was told to them by a witness is hardly a viable legitimate unbiased source of information so yes I absolutely wouldnt put it past the mainstream media to take out of context anything that was said or them to flat out lie about what was said and even the sheriff said they BASICALLY said which means they obviously didnt say those exact words because why throw “basically” in there if you are not throwing your own interpretation into what was said instead of using exact words. Also, Bundy types are hardly revolutionaries and you are a indoctrinated fool if you think that and definitely watch too much mainstream media news.

        • philip d

          You missed my point. Being a revolutionary is in the eye of the beholder. Your definition of what type of person is a true revolutionary may be quite different than others. In this case these nutjobs thought that they were revolutionary types. Ideas you have about what is revolutionary others might think reasonable or not. There is no standard consensus on what is “revolutionary”. I can tell you if you asked everyone at the Bundy ranch if they are patriots and revolutionaries you will get a yes.

    • Jamie Lee

      “Movement”? This wasn’t a ” movement “.

      • https://twitter.com/anti_euclidean ÿ

        My, you’re quite quick to display your mandibles.

        I think that was kind of @disqus_bQRHyW9FS7:disqus’s point, btw.

  • DeepCough

    Can’t wait to hear the NRA spin on this.

    • BuzzCoastin

      it is:
      if the waitress had been packin heat
      the cops would be alive & tippin

      • DeepCough

        Since CiCi’s is a self-serve buffet, it would go something like this:

        “If only there was a gun taped under every tray, everyone would’ve been
        A-okay.”

      • philip d

        Not if she wasn’t as good of a shot.

        “After gunning down Alyn Beck, 41, and Igor Soldo, 31, the couple ran into the Wal-Mart across the street, killed a shopper who confronted them with his own gun, and then shot it out with officers before taking their own lives.”

    • Lookinfor Buford

      it is: a couple of idiots took a couple of weapons and killed a few people. Is there a question here?

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