Women Allow 79 Year-Old Man To Be Eaten Alive By Dog

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That’s a horrible way to die. As a rule, dogs aren’t born this way: It takes the cruelty of human beings to transform them into monsters. A year in jail seems hardly sufficient.

Two women who admitted allowing a dog to maul a 79-year-old man to death in his garden have been jailed for a year.

Hayley Sulley, 30, and Della Woods, 29, both of Liverpool were charged under the Dangerous Dogs Act, after retired hospital porter Clifford Clarke died.

In May 2013, Mr Clarke was “eaten alive” by the dog, which had not been fed for 45 hours, when he opened his back door while he cooked a meal.

The dog also bit the end of a police gun, Liverpool Crown Court heard.

Judge Mark Brown said Mr Clarke’s death was “entirely avoidable” and he was “literally eaten alive” as he died in “truly horrific circumstances”.

The pair had left the 5st (31kg) dog, known as Charlie, in their garden without water and shade while they went to a barbecue.

Neighbours reported the animal, a Presa Canario and bull mastiff cross-breed, was foaming at the mouth and one said it appeared to be eating Mr Clarke’s arm.

The court heard the “wild” and “out of control” dog sank its teeth into the 79-year-old’s arm and dragged him around his garden; chewing his one arm off at the elbow and mauling the other.

Neighbour Michael Rankin heard Mr Clarke shout “get off me” and ran out to see the dog “pulling his arm off”, the court was told.

Mr Clarke died from multiple injuries and blood loss.

Judge Brown said Sulley and Woods were fortunate not to have been charged with manslaughter.

via BBC News – Clifford Clarke death: Women jailed over man ‘eaten alive’ by dog.

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  • Echar Lailoken

    This is one area where women definitely get treated preferentially. They used a weapon to murder a man in a horrific way. How severely would a man be charged if all was the same?

    Preemptive: I love women and want equality for all.

    • Ted Heistman

      You just hate “long pig!”

      • Echar Lailoken

        The other other white meat!

    • Jin The Ninja

      the real story is that the women were not present. they didn’t ‘allow’ anything.
      in the UK, asbos and other social infractions are taken very seriously, and if you look at the stats, both men and women receive equal punishment under british law. food for thought. they were grossly negligent dog owners, but not intentional murderers. there is a big difference.

      • VaudeVillain

        When your dog weighs in at almost 70 pounds, I’m not inclined to be forgiving when you forget to feed it, leave it in a confined area, and it eats a dude. That’s pretty easy to see coming. Large dogs can be an enormous pain in the ass to care for, especially for city dwellers, but that doesn’t make it alright to be inadequate at it.

        And honestly, a barbecue? Where, the fucking moon? What kind of barbecue precludes you from feeding your dog for almost two days? If it was really that far away, they have no excuse for failing to make arrangements… if not, then they have about 80 collective hours of not feeding the dog to explain.

        Involuntary Manslaughter would have been an absolutely appropriate charge.

        • Jin The Ninja

          grossly negligent? YES.

          obviously someone is dead. so there is no denying the horrific nature of this; however, i prefer not to penalise people in a way grossly disproportionately to their intent. there are enough poor folk in british and american jails. they are banned for life from owning dogs, they will spend 1 year in jail. so shitty, negligent pet owners who are not present when their dog mauls a neighbor should spend a disproportionate amount of time in jail? compared to the punishement to rape in the UK which averages 5 years, i think the punishment in this case fits the bill. if we become prolific jailers of the irresponsible, well i can think a couple thousand people who are more deserving to move ahead of the line.

          • VaudeVillain

            I’m all for raising the penalties for rape. We can make room by letting non-violent drug offenders out and declining to ever put them back.

            For better or for worse, society has determined that when gross negligence results in somebody dying, the negligent are legally responsible for both any offense the negligence might cause directly (ie. animal abuse) and for also for the death.

            They chose to have a huge ass dog instead of a shih tzu or whatever, they chose not to care for it adequately, and somebody else died over it. Fuck ‘em.

          • Jin The Ninja

            uh no society hasn’t. mens rea which descends from english common is delineated according to variety- negligence being the least culpable.

            they WERE found legally negligent. that is the point.

            and dog breed does not inherently itself to violence. the way you raise an animal is what determines behaviour.

            this is a horrific crime, but before you go determining culpability or punishment on your fellow person with nary a thought to justice, perhaps meditate on the fact that justice is best served as an extension of human ideals. perhaps what is better suited for actual HUMAN beings is the idea of transgression and forgiveness. rather than ‘fuck em.’ you know, because the lower socio-economic classes, the less educated among us, don’t need that attitude anymore than they already get. what we need is more humanity. less cowboy imprisonment due to obnoxiously loud moral grandstanding.

          • Rhoid Rager

            “justice is best served as an extension of human ideals”
            Abso-fucking-lutely!!!

          • Jin The Ninja

            i kinda thought that was good too;)

          • Bruteloop

            While there is no doubt the law is disproportionately in favour of the wealthy, you seem to suggest that if people are less educated in, presumably, accepted academic terms and are less wealthy they somehow have less ability to take responsibility for their own actions. That is simply not true. It is just patronising. There are people of all classes, backgrounds and wealth brackets that lack responsibility, that essentially, don’t give shit. Lack of caring is not a preserve of one group of people or another.
            They did not care about the dog. It killed a man. A man, presumably, in the same socio-economic grouping as themselves ( and their neighbours ). The man is dead. The dog is dead. Are you saying this happened because they were stupid because they were poor? No coverage I read even mentioned their economic situation.
            The sentences for rape are shameful. But that has nothing to do with the sentencing here.
            No one buys a dog like that without an awareness of the power of the beast. That is why dogs like that are bought.
            Status and threat. Much like a weapon.
            Are you suggesting they were too uneducated to be aware of what might happen if they didn’t feed the animal for 45 hours?

          • Jin The Ninja

            if you simply re-read what i wrote, your rhetorical games would find themselves definitively answered.

          • Bruteloop

            Not playing any games with rhetoric. People of the socio-economic background that you are such an expert on but I suspect not a part of don’t take too kindly to being lumped together in such a way. I think you’ll find that many think the two women were entirely responsible for their own actions or inaction and what that led to and that the punishment they received is not comparable to the horrific crime. Just as sentences for rape are woefully adequate. They are banned from keeping animals for life. Who do you think will actually bother to check on that ?

          • Jin The Ninja

            i have no idea what your point is. from the discipline of sociology do we use socio-economic markers to describe populations. it is but one marker. it isn’t perfect, but it often reflects a shared narrative. i personally have always maintained a ban on dogs is wholly appropriate. i suspect the police will be used to enforce this ban.

      • Echar Lailoken

        In this case perhaps, but it’s common for females to get lesser charges even for murder. At least in the US. Men are more likely to get the death penalty. The statistics support this. I bring this up mostly because I find it interesting that the sexes are treated differently when it comes to the law.

        • Jin The Ninja

          in the uk the caste…er… class system is deeply entrenched. your odds of serious jailtime go way up the poorer you are. it’s much less a gender thing, than a rich/poor thing.

          • Echar Lailoken

            F this world Jin. Seriously.

            *frustrated will all the bs around the world

          • Jin The Ninja

            concur :(

          • Oginikwe

            Yes. I think we are all frustrated with the incivility, impropriety, outright cruelty, and outspoken ignorance that seem to have become the order of the day. I have to constantly remind myself that the mundane goodness and kindness of most people doesn’t ever seem to make the headlines.

          • Echar Lailoken

            I inconveniently forget that a person finds what they are looking for. Thanks for the reminder.

          • Oginikwe

            I’m not sure that any of us are looking for this stuff but I am certain that it is shoved in our faces.

            I’ve been researching Hannah Arendt lately and she came to the conclusion that evil stems from unthinking, habitual behaviors. Since I am primed for this, I see it everywhere now. Scott Peck posited that these kinds of behaviors come from a “failure to be displeasing to oneself.” I often wonder if any of these mean people ever reflect and think, “What the hell was I thinking!?”

          • Echar Lailoken

            It appears a theme of being self aware is cropping up. I’ll ponder this. Thank you.

          • Bruteloop

            Is that not the same in the US?

          • Jin The Ninja

            yes. of course. but while in the us- race and socio-economic status are used to determine judicial outcomes predominantly (and of course race and socio-economic status play a huge role in determining judicial outcomes in the uk)-accent and region also play a role- they are also a measure of education and family background. i just don’t think making it a gender issue is productive.

          • Bruteloop

            Fair point.

      • Bruteloop

        Are you from the UK.? ASBOS are not taken seriously in the least.

        • Jin The Ninja

          the horror stories i’ve heard of people with alzheimers getting ticketed and instead of treatment, brought to jail only to die.
          getting ticketed and arrested for not cutting the grass? there is a serious problem with ASBOS because they in themselves are anti-social and inhumane. that is what i meant.

          • Bruteloop

            Never heard of anyone getting arrested for not cutting the grass, let alone dieing in jail afterwards.. Where did you read that?ASBOS are usually given to kids who repeatedly victimise others within their community. They are usually ignored because there is not the policing to follow it up.

          • Jin The Ninja

            no they’re routinely given to poor and mentally ill people. what paper do you read? i am seeing stories consistently appear in the guardian, the independent and even the daily mail about people who are given ASBOS indiscriminately- it seems to be the thing to do to anyone who doesn’t conform to societal expectations. particularly on mixed-income housing estates.

          • Bruteloop

            I try to look at the Guardian and the Independent. Certainly they are given to poor people but mentally ill I have not seen. Like it or not, some poor people do cause shit. Not that I think ASBOs should not be given to wealthier people. All I do know is that the prevalent opinion among people I know, many of them very definitely ‘working class’ is that ASBOs are a joke. Certainly theu are ignored by any kids who get them as there is no follow up unless you are tagged. Even then there are ways round that.

          • Jin The Ninja
    • misinformation

      Equality is a myth.

  • Simon Selvfed

    The other two articles I saw on this didn’t say that the women ‘allowed’ for the man to be attacked, but that they had went to a barbecue and left their dog at home. Apparently it had access to the garden/yard and attacked a neighbour. Also the dog was not fed for about two days and ate much of the neighbour.

    This is what I read elsewhere at least.

  • Rebecca Brandt

    Maybe they should also pay for the man’s funeral, the police and coroner’s time and expenses, and any other expenses caused to the victim and his family by their negligence.

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