Creationist Ken Ham calls to end space program because aliens are going to hell anyway

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Ken Ham. Photo: By John Foxe (Own work) [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons

Thanks to the Raw Story, we now know that aliens are going to hell…

Creationist Ken Ham has said that the U.S. space program is a waste of money because any alien life that scientists found would be damned to hell.

“I’m shocked at the countless hundreds of millions of dollars that have been spent over the years in the desperate and fruitless search for extraterrestrial life,” Ham wrote in a Sunday column on his Answers in Genesis website.

Ham argued that “secularists are desperate to find life in outer space” as a part of their “rebellion against God in a desperate attempt to supposedly prove evolution.”

“Life did not evolve but was specially created by God, as Genesis clearly teaches. Christians certainly shouldn’t expect alien life to be cropping up across the universe,” he continued. “Now the Bible doesn’t say whether there is or is not animal or plant life in outer space. I certainly suspect not.”

But regardless of whether there was life in outer space, Ham asserted that it could not be truly “intelligent.”

“You see, the Bible makes it clear that Adam’s sin affected the whole universe. This means that any aliens would also be affected by Adam’s sin, but because they are not Adam’s descendants, they can’t have salvation,” he explained. “Jesus did not become the ‘GodKlingon’ or the ‘GodMartian’! Only descendants of Adam can be saved. God’s Son remains the ‘Godman’ as our Savior.”

Friendly Atheist blogger Hemant Mehta called Ham’s quest to end the space program “a new low even for him.”…

[continues at the Raw Story]

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  • Anarchy Pony

    Cuz the only reason space is interesting is aliens.

  • Guest

    He’s gonna love these guys.

  • Guest

    Speaking of “Godklingons”.

  • Guest

    Speaking of “godklingons”

  • BrianApocalypse

    My attempts to upload an appropriate picture of Worf are being scuppered by the creationist Illuminati.

  • Simon Valentine

    this is not the space cobra i was searching for
    it is looking for funeds
    like
    “who put the un in the feds??”

  • BuzzCoastin

    what a Ham

    I heard from a Gray recently that
    because humans didn’t worship Grytnuownbt
    they were all going to hell in handbasket
    which is why no aliens stop here for long

  • Echar Lailoken

    Gnostic favoring humanist, Echar Lailoken, calls for an end to creationism; Because we are already in hell and people like Ken Ham make it that much harder to leave it.

  • Adam’s Shadow

    Ken Ham: making me look intelligent since before I was born.

  • Gordon Klock

    & may Nyarlathotep have mercy upon his helpless little shell…….

  • Virtually Yours

    Ham appears to have convinced himself that Yahweh is incapable of creating life anywhere else in the cosmos except here on earth, conveniently forgetting/ignoring that Yahweh is supposedly all-powerful and thus limitless: “Secularists cannot allow earth to be special or unique — that’s a biblical idea (Isaiah 45:18). If life evolved here, it simply must have evolved elsewhere they believe.” So let’s take a look at the verse which he cites as evidence of this claim…

    This is the exact translation which Ham links to on his website: “For thus says the Lord, Who created the heavens, Who is God, Who formed the earth and made it, Who has established it, Who did not create it in vain, Who formed it to be inhabited: ‘I am the Lord, and there is no other.'” Okay, so Yahweh created the earth in order for it to be inhabited…fine. But how does that indicate (much less prove) that we are the only life-sustaining planet which he has ever created, and how do we know that this is the only time he has ever shared such a message? Yahweh is supposed to be omnipresent, right? So then he could easily set up multiple planets (spread throughout numerous galaxies) and then monitor the progress of them all simultaneously. Unless Ham is implying that the phrase “there is no other” refers to the earth, as opposed to what it sounds like Yahweh is saying: “I am the Lord and there is no other Lord who is as powerful, fabulous, and praise-worthy as me…so bow down, bitches!”

    Ham then goes on to list two other verses in support of his argument against non-earth life: “The Bible, in sharp contrast to the secular worldview, teaches that earth was specially created, that it is unique and the focus of God’s attention (Isaiah 66:1 and Psalm 115:16)” So let’s check out those verses and see what has him so convinced…

    “Heaven is My throne, And earth is My footstool. Where is the house that you will build Me? And where is the place of My rest?” (Isaiah 66:1, NKJV) So apparently we are the footstool of the universe…that would explain the stench. Suppose it could be worse…we could have been his Porcelain Throne of Cosmic Doom! It sure feels that way sometimes…like he is shitting all over us just for having the audacity to be born. As far as the house which I would build for him, perhaps one of those small green eco homes would help deflate that universe-sized ego he has going on. And as for his place of rest, I suggest visiting Risa!

    “The heaven, even the heavens, are the Lord’s; But the earth He has given to the children of men.” (Psalm 115:16, NKJV) This verse is actually quite interesting, because it goes out of its way to clarify that there are in fact multiple heavens, which could be interpreted as multiple galaxies, universes, dimensions, etc. And if there are multiple heavens, then why couldn’t there also be multiple earth-like planets residing in each of them? And if there are “children of men” (whatever they happen to look like…Yahweh is supposed to be infinite, right, so then there should be an infinite amount of diversity in the manifestation of those lifeforms who are supposedly “made in his image”) on each of these planets, then why couldn’t they also be offered the same choice that Adam and Eve were supposedly given? In theory, there could be an infinite number of planets out there on which Knowledge is never pursued, the bite of forbidden fruit never taken…exotic gardens filled with naked aliens who cavort about in ignorant, god-fearing bliss! Perhaps that is why we are not allowed to make contact with them…for fear of our toxic influence upon them.

    Ham then goes on to say: “Life did not evolve but was specially created by God, as Genesis clearly teaches.” Except that there are millions of Christians who see no contradiction whatsoever in Yahweh having set up all of the necessary conditions for evolution, and then sitting back and watching as things unfold. Perhaps he isn’t just watching, but actively participating by experiencing each step first-hand: “We are the universe made manifest, trying to figure itself out…” could (for someone of a particularly religious mindset) just as easily read: “God is the universe made manifest, wanting/needing to experience every facet of his own creation…” How dare Ham (or anyone else) attempt to limit the mind and/or define the intentions of such a limitless entity? The height of Ham’s arrogance is matched only by the depth of his willful ignorance and its accompanying hypocrisy.

    Ah, but how does Ham feel about the possibility of alien flora and fauna? “Now the Bible doesn’t say whether there is or is not animal or plant life in outer space. I certainly suspect not.” This is a slippery slope, Ham! Beware, lest ye next concede the plausibility of horseless carriages, black holes, Twinkies, quantum computers, and a host of other demonic trickery which is not mentioned whatsoever in that all-knowing book of yours!

    But he’s not done making odd statements just yet: “An understanding of the gospel makes it clear that salvation through Christ is only for the Adamic race — human beings who are all descendants of Adam.” Does this imply that there are other humans who are not descendants of Adam? Cause the last time I checked, most fundamentalists don’t acknowledge the legend of Lilith. So then from whose loins did these non-Adamic humans spring?? Inquiring minds wanna know!

    “The answers to life’s questions will not be found in imaginary aliens but in the revelation of the Creator through the Bible and His Son, Jesus Christ” Unless Jesus IS an alien…

    So keep the laughs coming, Ham! You are – in your own unique and backwater way – just as entertaining as David Icke, and perhaps it will be the power of laughter which ultimately frees young minds from the stifling grip of your stagnant worldview.

    • Rey d’Tutto

      Thank you, Virtually Yours, for taking the time to look up the verses he’s misquoting/misattributing.

      • Virtually Yours

        I was raised by apocalyptic young-earth fundamentalists and have actually met Ham. Made it through with my sanity (mostly) intact, so I consider myself one of the lucky ones. But now my poor nieces are being exposed to all of this garbage, so I get to be an option for them which I never had…that of an alternative perspective. Looking up those verses and prying them apart is like practicing for that inevitable moment when they start asking these sorts of questions…

        • Oginikwe

          So . . .at what point in your young life did you start thinking, “These people have something terribly wrong with them?”

          • Virtually Yours

            I was four or five the first time I seriously felt conflicted about something I had been told. My mother was tucking me in for bed after she had read us a Bible story and we had prayed together. She leaned over to kiss me good night and I said: “I love you, mom!” And she paused, and then said: “As much as you love me, you need to love Jesus even more.” And two thoughts immediately popped into my young and impressionable mind: I am expected to love this invisible man who they keep telling me about more than the woman who feeds me and loves me and gives hugs like no other?? And then I instantly realized that the reverse was also true: she loved this ghost more than she loved me…talk about resentment! I was pissed. And of course I couldn’t say anything, so I just stewed in it. But I was suddenly very suspicious of this Jesus character. “Gonna keep my eye on you, buddy-boy…” And the more they told me, the less sense it made: “He loves you SO much that he’ll send you to hell if you don’t love him back!” – “Hell? Is that like Disney World? Lakes of fire, eh? Screaming and gnashing? I see. So the worst thing I have ever done is stealing that cookie from the jar, and yet you still love this psychotic mass-murdering ego-maniac more than you love me? Huh. Well then. Glad we cleared that up…”

          • Echar Lailoken

            she loved this ghost more than she loved me…talk about resentment!

            I can relate, Brother.

          • Virtually Yours

            I recently sent her this pic and am still waiting for a response…

          • Echar Lailoken

            I once brought up environmental pollution to my mother. Her response was basically “don’t worry, Jesus will return soon”.

            It was some scripture, I tuned it out.

          • Virtually Yours

            Yep. The ship is sinking but there’s nothing we can do about it so let’s just calmly sit here and pretend like nothing’s wrong while we wait for the Coast Guard to arrive and hope they get here in time. Blerg :-(

          • Echar Lailoken

            For me, the biggest help and sadness is to realize that this placement of deities above all else is at the core of their identities. To question such within them is viewed as a personal attack, even when confronted with the earthly harm it does to others.

            A common response is that the lord works in mysterious ways. Another is that we chose to inhabit these bodies and knew what we were getting into while in heaven. That last one may be LDS specific, I am not sure.

            Essentially, I have discovered that it’s a fools errand to expect any sort of accountability for a chasm on their end. In their eyes, it is the wanderers fault for doing what is natural to them. In some sense this is true.

            I am happy that you followed your path. It may be tough at times, but the lessons are yours.

          • Virtually Yours

            “A common response is that the lord works in mysterious ways” I was on the phone with my grandmother the night before last for fifty-seven minutes and the conversation that we had was completely insane. And if all of our digital data is truly being stored somewhere, then I should have the right to be able to go back and listen to those conversations. And I would love to share them…maybe turn select parts into little animated sequences :-)

            She is currently reading a book about the blood moons and Biblical prophecy and of course Israel came up *shudders* We also discussed the Gnostic gospels, self-fulfilled prophecies, and whether or not all faiths are equal. She claims to acknowledge that they are all equal when I define faith for her within the context of it being a belief in something which you cannot prove, but feel in your heart/mind/soul to be true. But after admitting to this, she then turns around and says: “But they’re still going to hell if they haven’t bathed in the blood of Christ!” Resulting in epic facepalms of doom and sadness…so close, and yet so far!

            “we chose to inhabit these bodies and knew what we were getting into while in heaven” If that is true…how masochistic are we?? And can we request a refund? It also reminds me of my favorite scene from The Sandman series, when Morpheus and Lucifer are closing the gates of hell and chatting: hell is a place where you choose to send yourself, and you can leave whenever you want…you just have to forgive yourself, and let go. That shocked the hell out of me…had never occurred to me to think of it like that before.

            “That last one may be LDS specific, I am not sure” I was raised Baptist, so I am not sure about LDS…so many flavors and shades of crazy to choose from, like a kid in a cosmic candy shop: “He chose…poorly.”

          • Kragnorak

            Great story VY, I have a similar one… I was about 3 and having a tantrum at my dad and yelled “I HATE you!” My dad stopped fighting me and very seriously taught me that you should never hate anybody. He talked about this from a religious point of view too and made it clear that I should even love people that I don’t know or that are mean to me.
            I thought this was a great concept and I started spouting off, full of love. “I love you, and I love Mommy, and I love my friends at school, and I love my doggy, and I love the neighbors, and I love bad guys, and I love God [Daddy is nodding proudly], and I love Jesus, and I love the Devil…” [insert record-scratching sound]
            “No-no-no-no-nooooo” my father interrupted, looking terrified for my immortal soul. “You’re supposed to love everybody EXCEPT the Devil!” Now I was clearly confused because what was the difference between the Devil and a killer? I didn’t have the words for that question so I just was looking at him funny. So he started stomping around the room trying to explain that God and the Devil were fighting each other across all time, but from my height it looked like he was pantomiming the Godzilla battles that I enjoyed watching on Sundays. So he got across the concept of an epic battle, but it just didn’t make sense. Wasn’t I constantly being told that God could do anything and was all-powerful? Then how could he be opposed or have an enemy?
            These questions lingered until I was a much older kid and finally I read the Book of Job and realized that Christians have even their own religion all wrong: YHVH was in cahoots with Shai’tan all along! Any casting of the Devil as an enemy is creating a pantheon of deities and has nothing to do with monotheism.
            As Isaiah 45:7 says, “I form the light and create darkness. I make peace, and create Evil; I YHVH do all these things.”

          • Oginikwe

            Thanks to you and Virtually Yours for sharing your stories.
            Glad you both recovered. ;^)

          • Virtually Yours

            “and I love the Devil…” LOL…from the mouths/minds of babes! Would love to have seen the reaction on your dad’s face…must have been priceless :-)

            “Then how could he be opposed or have an enemy?” Exactly! This is one of those bizarre talking points that never made any sense. It always felt so anticlimactic and forced, to pretend that Lucifer stood any chance of winning against a supposedly all-powerful god. Me thinks this fight has been rigged!

            “YHVH was in cahoots with Shai’tan all along!” Isn’t it the Gnostics who believe that Yahweh is actually the trickster god who cut us off from the one true universal source? Tried bringing this point up with my g-mom when she mentioned how difficult it can be to accept things that “he” allows to happen which seem (on the surface) to be evil/unfair/cruel/etc. She just accepts on faith that all of those things will one day be explained when Yawweh reveals his grand Master Plan, but I asked her if his motivation might not make more sense when viewed through the Gnostic lens. It would also seem to coincide with the verse that you quoted, in which it almost sounds like he is bragging about having created evil. Either that, or perhaps he suffers from a serious mental illness: http://www.theonion.com/articles/god-diagnosed-with-bipolar-disorder,348/

            (Also, love the image of you watching your dad as he stomped around the room…fantastic :-)

          • Kragnorak

            Haha, glad you enjoyed the story and pleased ta meetcha! The Book of Job is an important one but trying to bring it up with Christian apologists is almost useless due to their tinfoil hats. If you read it, you notice that the Adversary is really YHVH’s gambling buddy in the way that they relate to each other. Humans are just the game pieces. Apologists absolve their god of responsiblity in that tale and say ‘well, He merely allowed Satan to feck with Job’. No way! In that tale there are many horrors visited upon that dude’s house and half of them clearly were YHVH’s handiwork. Shaitan was just the instigator.

          • Virtually Yours

            “half of them clearly were YHVH’s handiwork. Shaitan was just the instigator” When it comes to torture and terrorism, the two of them make for an unstoppable tag-team. I would love to see R. Crumb illustrate the entire Book of Job in graphic detail, just like he did with Genesis. Apparently some fans were expecting/hoping that Crumb’s version of Genesis would be a glorious spoof, but I like his response: “It seemed to me that the original text was so strange in its own way that there was no need to do any send-up or satire of it.” Indeed! Let the story speak for itself in all of its obscene violence and calculated cruelty. They also slapped a warning label on the front cover of Genesis: “Adult Supervision Recommended for Minors”. Now if only we could get them to do so with the source document…

          • Kragnorak

            “They also slapped a warning label on the front cover of Genesis: “Adult Supervision Recommended for Minors”. Now if only we could get them to do so with the source document…” – fantastic idea! And thanks for the reminder that I still need Crumb’s Genesis

    • SoccerDad

      Virtually Yours et al: thanx to all of you who have participated in this discussion thread. This is the most enlightened and respectful discourse I’ve read on a topic like religion in a very very long time. A pleasure, thanx again :)

  • Number1Framer

    But they’re not just going to Hell, they’re going to SPACE HELL!! Meanwhile Ham continues bringing my concept of hell to this planet on a daily basis.

    • Adam’s Shadow

      Which is just like regular Hell, but IN SPACE!!!!!!!!!!!!

      And, probably colder than the standard Christian conception of Hell.

  • Anarchy Pony

    You know, when I look for info about space and the universe, the first place I look is a collection of bronze age myths and morality tales.

  • kowalityjesus

    who would want aliens, riddle me that Batman!

    • Mr Grim

      Who wouldn’t want aliens? Aliens are freakin’ awesome. When they’re not mutulating cattle or abducting and probing drivers on lonely backroads, they’re laying eggs in our abdomens so that their hatchling young can feed on our still-living flesh.

      I want to party with those bad boys. Or possibly bad girls. Or possibly bad hermaphroditic beings. Or possibly asexual self-reproducers.

      Aliens FTW.

  • Guest

    • BrianApocalypse

      That’s it! That’s my Worf picture! Why it appeared under “guest” about an hour after I posted it is known only to Space-Yahweh.

  • HCE

    That’s insane arrogance on several different levels. Obviously Mr. Ham is utterly lacking in any ability to examine himself honestly.

  • nubwaxer

    give your money to ham and not to science because if you don’t you’re going to hell which is where in the universe exactly?

  • Truth Teller

    I’m certain there is a more disgusting human being than Ken Ham. I just cannot imagine whom it might be. Bill O’Reilly? Michelle Bachmann?

    • Oginikwe

      Dick Cheney. Definitely Dick Cheney.

    • Dean Fiddle

      Fake id

  • Grid Bandit

    I think God has already planned out the eternal existence of Mr. Ham. This is what he told me. Mr. Ham will soon meet a beautiful woman named Jen Cheeses. They will be married after their current spouses are ousted from America for converting to The Muslim Brotherhood, during Sunday School, in just a few months. This will free up Mr. Ham and Miss Cheeses, and they will be wed and become the famous born again couple Ken-n-Jen Ham-n–Chesses. They will multiply and feed all of the worlds starving masses, except Muslims, Hindus, Jews, and of course vegans. God is a bit of a prankster it turns out also, as Mr. and Mrs Ham-n-Cheese will be abducted by aliens from a far, far away galaxy and turned into the alien children’s favorite plaything- Mr and Mrs. Ham-n-Cheeses Head. They will never grow old they will never die, but they will obtain Toy Nirvana. In 117 billion more years they will be found, intact, on a dead planet by a new species of half goat, half pig mutant DNA based proto=cyborgs with I Pads for their brains and become Gods to the new species. Amrn