Op-Ed: What is Israel Supposed To Do?

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Disinfo has posted a lot of articles and arguments condemning Israel and their actions in the past few weeks. But the most recent video from Abby Martin at Russia Today has me questioning some things. It showcases a debate between Max Blumenthal (journalist and author of Goliath: Life and Loathing in Greater Israel) and Morton Klein (president of the Zionist Organization of America).

For one, and I have to bring this up, is that Martin was by no means an impartial moderator. Her intentions, despite what she may have claimed, were not to showcase another side to the argument. But with her track record of condemning Israel, who would actually expect her to be impartial? Instead, it seems that the interview was meant to discredit all Pro-Israel arguments. The right questions weren’t asked and it was simply a rehashing of old arguments with no true insight given to either position.

Disinfo has been entirely one-sided in this argument, as pointed out to me by some readers. It’s simply not solid journalism on Disinfo’s part to continually pump out Israel condemning rhetoric. So, I’m hoping to add a bit of balance to these arguments by posing a simple question. One question that wasn’t asked in Martin’s debate, and one that hasn’t been sufficiently asked or answered through any media outlet, is this: what exactly is Israel supposed to do? I’m going to take a look at that question in this post, but I’m also asking you. What exactly is the appropriate response to Hamas’ aggression? Obviously bombing carelessly, as Israel has been doing, isn’t the answer.


By David Post The Washington Post:

Perhaps I’m missing something in all of the outcry over the Israeli action in Gaza, but what, really, is Israel supposed to do? What’s the right response to having a country on your border that sponsors – openly – rocket attacks on your territory, and has built a network of tunnels under the border and a whole terror infrastructure from which its operatives can enter the territory and attack your citizens? How would we respond if Mexico did this – not just some rogue band of Mexican “drug lords,” but the Mexican people, acting through their elected representatives? Or to make the analogy closer, what if it were the Navajo Nation, from inside the borders of their territory in New Mexico. How would we respond? How would any country (other than Israel, I guess) be expected to respond?

War is ghastly; innocent people get slaughtered for no damn reason at all, it’s horrible to see and to contemplate; and whose heart does not go out to the parents of all the kids who have been killed? But I can’t get my mind around the notion that anyone other than Hamas bears the full responsibility for this horror.

That one of their demands that helped spark this crisis was that Israel open up the border with Gaza – Hamas rejected one of the early Egyptian ceasefire proposals because they insisted that Israel open up the border first – borders on the absurd, in a particularly cruel way. I could imagine any number of demands Hamas could make of the Israelis, demands that it is not inconceivable the Israelis could actually agree to: that Israel pay them money for reparations, or build them an airport, or support their entry into the WTO and the UN, or any number of things that countries do for one another in this world, whether out of altruism (rarely) or blatant self-interest (almost always). But open up the border? How could Israel possibly agree to that, when they know – and everyone knows – that Hamas operatives are trained in the murder of civilians and would be happy to have freer entry into Israel?

Here David Post is laying all the blame on the Hamas regime. Can I say for certain this relies all on Hamas? No. Because it doesn’t. The Palestinians have been living in deplorable conditions, and I can empathize with their resentment of the Israel state. The amount of Palestinian children that have been killed in the past few weeks is egregious. I, for one, cannot condone such killings and bombings of hospitals and schools.

Furthermore, there is a complicated history of antagonism that runs deep between Israel and Palestine. Whose fault is this mess? Some may argue that it all stems from Israel taking land, but that argue delegitimizes Israel’s right to a state as much as the West has delegitimized Palestine’s right.

So, I come back to my initial question. What should Israel be doing? I don’t expect them to just sit on their hands and wait for Hamas to stop. It’s seems to me that Hamas has no intention of backing down. But at the same time, I don’t think recklessly bombing Palestine is the answer. Is there any right answer? I certainly don’t have it. Or maybe I’m missing something and the answer really is that easy.

In essence, I implore you to be aware of propaganda on both sides of this dilemma. Let us remember to be critical of all articles and arguments (yes, even this one) that we may come across. I’m by no means arguing for the violence that Israel has inflicted. In fact, I tend to side with the humanitarian argument. But my question remains: What is Israel supposed to do? What would your country do?

87 Comments on "Op-Ed: What is Israel Supposed To Do?"

  1. BuzzCoastin | Aug 4, 2014 at 6:39 pm |

    What is Israel Supposed To Do?

    recognize the Palestinian State, its boarders & its sovernty
    provide access to international aid for refugees
    maybe apologise for stealing Palestinian land
    that might go a long way to easing tensions

    • This is why I like the actual comments on the Disinfo site and not the circus that is Facebook. I’ve been officially accused of being a Hasbara agent.

      • BuzzCoastin | Aug 4, 2014 at 6:57 pm |

        Fakebook is the muddle of the herd’s heard
        Disinfo attracts a more jaded crowd
        less inclined to follow the flock of lemmings

      • Number1Framer | Aug 4, 2014 at 7:26 pm |

        I was accused of being Hamas on this site last week by what I can only gather was an IDF official troll judging by his misuse of the English language and phrases like “western concepts.”

      • WeirdPDX | Aug 4, 2014 at 9:44 pm |

        Facebook’s Zuckerburg stated giving big money to ALEC. Stopped using my account shortly after.

      • gustave courbet | Aug 5, 2014 at 1:29 am |

        “It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.” -Aristotle

    • Number1Framer | Aug 5, 2014 at 2:51 am |

      Question: Would a 2 state solution have worked with the American natives circa 1850?

      Follow up: How much difference is there between ancient scripture and the idea of ‘Manifest Destiny?’

      • BuzzCoastin | Aug 5, 2014 at 3:01 am |

        you may have noticed that
        Isreal has recapitulated the US Indian tactics

        manifest destiny, scriptures, whateva it takes
        to justify the seizure of land from its owners

        the last 3500 years of recorded history
        is pretty much the same situation reincarnated ad nauseam
        a wave of migrating peoples drives out the natives
        the American Indians
        were always fighting territorial wars with each other
        till whitey showed up ready to play
        China has had the same boarders
        for the last 800 years or so (including Tibet thanks to Genghis)
        without Tibet 2000 years
        with the once a couple hundred years revolutionary change
        just to keep it interesting

        • nicolone | Aug 5, 2014 at 8:34 am |

          Re China. Without getting into the whole Tibet/kashgar etc thing, the reason that China has had the same borders for hundreds of years is just because there is enough of China for them to have wars within China, the kingdoms and provinces within China have changed just as much as anywhere else

          • BuzzCoastin | Aug 5, 2014 at 4:05 pm |

            China has a limited amount of habitable land
            95% live within 500 miles of the coast
            an area equal to the land
            from the Mississippi to the east coast
            a wealth of culture not spacious land
            has made China insular

          • nicolone | Aug 5, 2014 at 4:43 pm |

            I was just saying that it’s more like saying that the border of Europe hasn’t changed that much (Arabic and Russian colonization) rather than comparing it with the borders within Europe

      • Oginikwe | Aug 5, 2014 at 7:52 am |

        The “2 state solution” with Native Americans? That’s what was done: they’re called “reservations.” Each tribe retained is sovereign nation status and only adheres to federal law in keeping with their dual citizenship. This dates back to the adoption of the Constitution.

  2. If Israel showed a real commitment to peace and stopped their settlement activities they would have much more support in the world. While ever settlements continue to grow and expand how can Israel really be taken seriously when they say they want peace?

    Following the murder of the 3 Israeli teenagers a month or so ago (which was a horrible crime) Israel leapt immediately to demolishing the homes of suspects and making more than 50 arrests in the 24 hours following. The response was totally out of proportion.

    That is not the actions of a democracy. Where was innocent until proven guilty? Article 9 of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights states that, “No one shall be subjected to arbitrary arrest, detention or exile.” Israel ignores the rules of the civilized world and then expects to receive support from the civilized world by painting its foes as barbarians.

    No doubt Hamas is an awful organization that commits appalling crimes, but as long as Israel behaves in this way, support will flow to organizations that oppose them. You cannot bomb this problem away.

  3. Kubrick's Rube | Aug 4, 2014 at 6:55 pm |

    Be the ‘bigger man’ and actually make compromises that give back land and dignity through negotiation? Maybe stop killing civilians? Over-simplified? I don’t fucking care: the action is disproportionate.

    • Rhoid Rager | Aug 4, 2014 at 8:07 pm |

      Exactly. And disproportionate doesn’t really convey the imbalance here. Palestinians don’t have a military to fight back with. They are trapped. Their daily calories are limited. Their supplies are curtailed. This isn’t a ‘conflict’. This is a turkey shoot.

      • I’ve heard it called the “Palestinian Holocaust” and I’m not neccessarily inclined to disagree.

    • deepthoughts | Aug 5, 2014 at 12:44 pm |

      Israel tried the ‘bigger man’ approach in 2005. Thousands of Israelies were uprooted by their own government and removed from Gaza. The territory was emptied of all soldiers. A US group bought all of the Israeli infrastructure and gave it to the Palestinian government. Within 6 months, the infrastructure was looted and destroyed and the 2nd intifada launched. What next?

      • Kubrick's Rube | Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 pm |

        Maybe some references to check out? And how does that in anyway justify the disproportionate action currently?

        • deepthoughts | Aug 5, 2014 at 6:21 pm |

          You have a computer. Shouldn’t be too hard to search for “Israel Gaza 2005 disengagement”.

          How fucking intellectually lazy are you anyway?

          Disproportionate body count is bad? If more Jews were dying you’d be ok with it?

          • Rhoid Rager | Aug 5, 2014 at 6:28 pm |

            That’s got to be one of the worst replies I’ve seen on disinfo for a while. His/her questions were reasonable and not aggressive in any way. Your response came off as defensive and intellectually lazy, in itself, because you know he/she wasn’t insinuating that more Israelis should die to balance the numbers–he/she was saying that less Palestinians should die. All of that performance, and you didn’t even bother to answer his questions. Why bother typing anything at all? What did it accomplish?

          • Kubrick's Rube | Aug 6, 2014 at 6:27 am |

            Ah! We have a cunt! Sorry I thought you wanted a logical and rational debate. Nice attempt to re-frame the debate to one of anti-Semitism. How tired, how wrong, how manipulative. Get fucked.

  4. Retrovirus | Aug 4, 2014 at 7:14 pm |

    Hamas shouldn’t be using civilians as human shields. They’ve made it so that either Israel does nothing, or they do something and civilians die. No country being attacked should be expected to sit on their hands while rockets are being fired on them. And the people firing those rockets shouldn’t place them in schools or hospitals. Hamas is why so many civilians have died.

  5. Dread Raider | Aug 4, 2014 at 7:19 pm |

    Disinfo.com has a root for the under dog mentality.
    If one wants another prospective there is always Fox News.

    • VaudeVillain | Aug 5, 2014 at 2:00 pm |

      I think that’s why she’s trying to root for thoughtfulness and human decency over reactionism and vitriol.

  6. Number1Framer | Aug 4, 2014 at 7:31 pm |

    It’s complicated and my honest answer would be akin to telling the white man to return Turtle Island to its owners and leave the new world. The main difference being that Israel’s land grabs have all happened within living memory. I’ll just leave it at that.

  7. Rhoid Rager | Aug 4, 2014 at 7:58 pm |

    What is a rapist to do these days?

  8. InfvoCuernos | Aug 4, 2014 at 8:08 pm |

    I usually have aligned with Israel in the past, and I do believe that Israel has a right to exist and to defend itself, but this last round has been pretty brutal. This last roundup has a lot of similarity to the round up of Jews into ghettos in the late 1930’s, and that is not only something I don’t say lightly, but something altogether distasteful to even think about. I hope I’m wrong, but we’ll all know for sure when the Israelis set up camps for “concentrating” the refugees in one place.

    One of the things that has bothered me is this rumor that the rocket attacks and the murder of those students might have been prompted by a third party in order to provoke exactly the response we see now. Its hard to ask cooler heads to prevail in the heat of the war season in the Levant.

    • nicolone | Aug 5, 2014 at 2:23 am |

      The problem with the Warsaw ghetto/nazi analogy which has become so popular is that Israel are not attacking all of Palestine, just the Hamas controlled part, the PA controlled bit of Palestine not at war with Israel

      European Jews in the 30s didn’t have an equivalent of Saudi Arabia sponsoring the gangsters

  9. Arnt Johnsen | Aug 4, 2014 at 8:24 pm |

    For have being hunted through time including Holocaust they sure as hell deserves whats coming. They are as USA a disgrace for human kind.

  10. Virtually Yours | Aug 4, 2014 at 9:10 pm |

    “Whose fault is this mess? Some may argue that it all stems from Israel taking land, but that argument delegitimizes Israel’s right to a state” Israel could have set up shop elsewhere; they had options and they chose…poorly. There probably would have been drama no matter where they settled, but they went out of their way to pick the most contentious spot on the planet…like taking a swing at the hornet’s nest and then feigning shock/outrage when the hornets turned around and stung back.

    Here is another part of the equation that doesn’t get brought up much…the religious fundamentalists in the US wanted this to happen: to them, it is prophecy being fulfilled, even though an honest evaluation would force them to acknowledge that it was a self-fulfilled prophecy. And the wishes of the fundies provided a convenient excuse/cover for the US government to assist in this atrocity because it gave them a hardcore foothold in that part of the world. And besides, it’s in our blood to rape/pillage/plunder land that isn’t ours, so a rationalization/justification at the time may have been that we would look like hypocrites for not helping them.

    So anyway, that’s the past…but your other question (what are they supposed to do now) focuses on the present/future. I would be very curious to see how many countries would volunteer land at this point for Israel to pack its bags and relocate. Let’s see the UN publish that poll 🙂 But even if no countries were to make such a noble gesture, there is another option remaining: what about the creation of a completely artificial island? Expensive, sure, but they have the cash. They could call it New Israel and it could be a place where ALL children of generational invaders could seek asylum and penance. I would consider applying for citizenship. Talk about a humbling revolution…

  11. nathan willard | Aug 4, 2014 at 9:29 pm |

    Israel should show the same respect it would for any other nation of people, appeal for UN support to fang the Hamas, the UN should essentially be a world court of responsible nations working together to get to the truth of an issue, make decisions, and provide just checks and balances.

    Then if Israel truly had a case, they should then send ground troops to minimize the damage to the civilians while they defang Hamas, if they had case to do so.

    However, how do we expect any country to take the UN seriously if we ourselves do not. One day it might be the council of the UN that saves us were any other country to take serious the decision of peer nation review.

  12. WeirdPDX | Aug 4, 2014 at 9:38 pm |

    What’s Israel supposed to do? Go back to as reasonable an approximation of their 1967 borders as is possible. Maybe there is some give and take on final border, but real negotiation has to be a two way process.

  13. I blame abusive fathers Alois Hitler and Abraham.

    • You may be correct. It looks like a patriarchal dominator social structure leads exactly to this kind of endless conflict.

  14. Give Gaza to Egypt.

    • Dingbert | Aug 5, 2014 at 1:46 am |

      And the West Bank to Jordan.

      It’s supported by neo-cons and right-wingers, but at this particular point in time and space,
      I think they got it right.
      Cue “Twilight Zone” theme.
      Just don’t put ’em in charge of the arrangements.

      • Oginikwe | Aug 5, 2014 at 7:27 am |

        Thanks, Dingbert. I had no idea that was a viable option. I suggested it because Gaza is not big enough to defend itself nor is it responsible enough to bring Hamas to heel. And, I am extremely uncomfortable that my government is supporting this slaughter in Gaza.

    • Number1Framer | Aug 5, 2014 at 2:30 am |

      Who says Egypt (always under the US’s thumb) wants it? I’m afraid ‘peace’ will only come by the same means it came to the lower 48: the eradication or selective partitioning of the natives. That seems to be history’s ever repeating pattern: peace is only possible through violent force of will.

      • Oginikwe | Aug 5, 2014 at 7:32 am |

        That’s ersatz peace: subjugation is never truly peace because no one can prevent the resentment that accompanies authoritarianism. We all want to be free.

      • Bingo on the Egypt question. Had they wanted Gaza they would have been given it with the Carter peace talks.

    • Number1Framer | Aug 5, 2014 at 2:34 am |

      Besides, then the Natural gas fields would be in Egypt. What good does that do for our imperial outpost?

      • Number1Framer | Aug 5, 2014 at 2:41 am |

        Oh wait, see other comment below. Hmmmm….

      • Oginikwe | Aug 5, 2014 at 7:29 am |

        Our natural gas fields are in our citizens’ backyards. Why else would we be putting fracking fields all over the place?

  15. The correct comparison would be: What if the US continued to expand its territory inside what is currently Mexico, land-locking them to a small parcel of land, ignoring 32 UN resolutions condemning the US to violation of international law, followed by Mexico’s violent resistance to these actions. What should the US (Israel) do?

  16. Genocide isn’t an impartial situation.

    This is a very old story with very little to do with events this past month or even year. Israel is stolen land. The Palestinians are occupied, surrounded by a military and provoked constantly with targeted killings. If they fight back in any way they are demonized and these genocidal rampages kill more and take more land and resources. The end game is to take it all.

    And the map makes that very obvious, even to deluded Americans.

    • BuzzCoastin | Aug 5, 2014 at 3:16 am |

      gosh, it’s surprising that graphic isn’t more widely seen
      what with it explaining things so pornographicly
      clearly showing who f’d who and how
      and how!

    • Oginikwe | Aug 5, 2014 at 7:36 am |

      Yes. After witnessing the outrage of some American citizens towards the thousands of children that showed up on our southern border, I have to wonder how they would feel if a part of our country were carved out for them.

    • deepthoughts | Aug 5, 2014 at 12:51 pm |

      This map is a lie. In 1947 there was no nation of Palestine, there was land that the British had taken called Mandate Palestine and it actually included much of the grey area too. The 1947 plan gave Israel only 25 of the land originally promised in the Balfour declaration from 1921, and as you can see, it bifurcated the state. Context for the third panel is missing. Israel did not ‘grab’ the land in a purely aggressive move. The state was established in 1948 and accepted by the jews on the terms stated in 1947. But the surrounding countries sent their armies to kill every last Jew in the area. They failed and lost territory in the war. Rinse and repeat over multiple wars , each started by the Arabs from 1949-1972 and you have the map you see in Present. Aggressors who lose don’t get to bitch about settlement terms.

  17. misinformation | Aug 5, 2014 at 1:02 am |

    ‘It’s simply not solid journalism on Disinfo’s part to continually pump out Israel condemning rhetoric. ‘

    Are/Is ‘Disinfo’, journalists? If so, who are they? Seriously. And if not, why do ‘you’ need to be concerned with being solid at something you don’t practice?

    More to the point. I’m sorry to take a serious attempt at open debate and reduce to internet-sized critique, but…

    “But I can’t get my mind around the notion that anyone other than Hamas bears the full responsibility for this horror.”

    End of credibility.

    • end of credibility indeed.
      Spreading Propaganda does not equal being solid.
      What a shame.

      • misinformation | Aug 5, 2014 at 11:01 am |

        Just to be clear, it was the article’s author who’s quote garnered the credibility comment from me, not the Disinfo editorial comment.

        But the question about Disinfo’s ‘journalism’ still stands.

        • But do I not take issue with that right after that block quote? No, I guess Disinfo is not “journalism” in the traditional sense. I would say we are more of a news aggregator, but a continuous rehashing of the same old shit isn’t productive to our goal of presenting the controversial, weird, and otherwise fringe ideas/concepts.

  18. Dingbert | Aug 5, 2014 at 1:22 am |

    Everyone is crying out for peace, yes
    None is crying out for justice
    I don’t want no peace
    I need equal rights and justice . . .
    Palestinians are fighting for equal rights and justice . . .
    -Peter Tosh – “Equal Rights”



  19. VaudeVillain | Aug 5, 2014 at 4:00 am |

    Have you considered the possibility that what is really most important here is that people get to feel righteously outraged?

    Affirmative statements of what “they” or “we” or “I” or “you” *ought* to do are hard to make and subject to being simply wrong or even embarrassing.

    Negative statements that what is done ought not be done… those are safe and easy and full of potential indignation at just how mean and awful and stupid and evil TPTB are.

    This isn’t a problem to be solved, it’s an opportunity to exploit: one just needs to figure out to what ends they can do so and PRESTO! instant gratification. Now we can be The Man, too. Bully for us!

    So to continue the tradition of bland, uninsightful pseudo-recommendations and blame-assignment:

    Israel ought not bomb Hamas/Palestinians, who ought not rocket Israelis, who ought not oppress their counterparts, who ought not insist on murdering people who ought not insist on stealing from people who ought not insist on withholding from people who ought not be so keen to take everything from people who ought not… fuck, where am I? Everybody sucks… can we just leave it at that?

  20. Perhaps when peace does finally come, it will take the form of a single state solution where Israel has abandoned its collective fantasies of ethnic and religious supremacy and recognized the full and equal citizenship of its Palestinian residents.

    Maybe not. In any event, neither government is serious about peace in the present. The Palestinians are justified in being outraged about the endless expansion of Israeli settlements across the borders established in previous peace agreements, and the Palestinian response takes a form that has justified the security checkpoints. It’s a war, and there’s no nice way to win wars.

    I’m honestly less concerned with what I think Israel should do than I am with what I think my country should do. AIPAC may be the most notorious foreign agency that buys influence with the US government in broad daylight, but it’s hardly the only one. If I’m going to get worked up about something and fight over it, I’m going to fight for enforcement of the laws prohibiting offering or receiving bribes at the federal level. Drive out the corrupting influence of foreign governments here at home, and see if a few foreign conflicts don’t become harder to sustain without American tax dollars fueling the fires in turn.

  21. Liam_McGonagle | Aug 5, 2014 at 10:07 am |

    “What is Israel supposed to do?”

    Forgive me if I belabor the obvious here, but:

    “There is nothing Israel CAN do.”

    The whole raison d’etre for Israel is ethnic apartheid. The problem isn’t that Israelis are doing anything any differently than anyone else would do–IF THEY WERE COMMITTED TO AN ETHNIC APARTHEID STATE. The problem is Israel’s existence.

    Their ancestors learned precisely the wrong lesson from the Holocaust. To be fair, almost the entire world learned the wrong lesson from the Holocaust; remember, the post-war settlement forced millions of ethnic Germans, Poles, etc. to abandon homes their families had lived in for centuries in a politically motivated mass experiment in ethnic cleansing.

    The lesson of the Holocaust wasn’t that Hitler’s vision of states bounded by ethnic purity was fundamentally correct. The lesson was that ethnocentrism is one of history’s greatest evils.

    • deepthoughts | Aug 5, 2014 at 12:54 pm |

      I keep hearing about this Apartheid state where there are Arabs and other minorities serving in government and participating in professional and civil life. Whereas there are no Jews in many of the arab countries and they have no rights.
      I don’t think that word means what you think it means.

      • Liam_McGonagle | Aug 5, 2014 at 1:16 pm |

        Funny, but the rest of the world seems to be coming around to a different opinion than yours.

        You–you don’t possibly think that YOU might be the one in error here, do you?

        Nah . . . .

  22. doodahman | Aug 5, 2014 at 12:53 pm |

    How disingenuous. Hamas is the product of Israeli strategy to divide the Palestinians and make a real peace process impossible by ensuring that no Palestinian authority has the unified power to enforce a settlement. Hamas rockets are not the problem– they are part of Israel’s solution as to how to stall the peace process while making life for Palestinians unbearable– to get them to leave the region. So now Israel is “forced” to respond to militarily worthless rocket attacks (almost all of which fall within a mile of Gaza, what a joke) by flattening apartment blocks, schools, mosques and power plants. What nonsense.
    What is Israel to do? Knock off the murderous bullshit, accept unified Fatah and Hamas as a negotiating partner, take confidence building measures to convince the world they are serious about peace for once, and settle the damn issues– land, resources division, right of return, compensation and East Jerusalem. WTF. Stop pretending we’re all stupid here.

    Palestinian resistance is the problem, not Hamas. That won’t end until either there’s a just settlement, or genocide.

    • Rhoid Rager | Aug 6, 2014 at 9:42 am |

      Glad to see the big picture so succinctly stated. It’s not rocket science to connect the dots and see that Israel’s tacit policy is ownership of all Palestine, and preferably without the Palestinians. It’s all a ruse until they get what they want, or they are disarmed through arms embargoes, internal coup/uprising or the whole region is devastated by nuclear annihilation. They are playing the most dangerous game, but few in the world seem ready to admit that WWIII has been underway for decades now.

  23. Echar Lailoken | Aug 5, 2014 at 4:39 pm |

    Simple answer: They should love one another and support each other. It’s best to work with your neighbors.

    • Now there’s a novel concept.

    • But what do you do when one of your neighbors wants to kill you?

      • Echar Lailoken | Aug 6, 2014 at 11:07 am |

        I would non fatally defend myself, unless it came to that. If they wanted to kill me, it would be because they are crazy, and/or they have overreacted. I do not act in such a way to encourage those kinds of incidents.

        • Sometimes all it takes is to be breathing or driving down the road. And, yeah, they are crazy but you still have to deal with them. We have only six families on our road and only one couple is batshit crazy. We all just ostracized that household but still have to deal with them when they decide to be aggressive.

  24. Kurt Windibank | Aug 5, 2014 at 4:58 pm |

    Israel needs to take the first step and stop the bombing…even if Hamas continues. It is a complicated issue that requires both sides to set aside the hate and the past indiscretions. Israel has the clear military advantage and can stop bombing TODAY and simply use their “iron curtain” to thwart any Hamas attacks. Any lasting peace will require Israeli leadership to make the first move. Jerusalem should become an “international city” protected by the UN as it is the Holy Land for Jews,Muslims and Christians alike. Israel should take the high ground in this crisis and stop the bombing. The current operation will yield nothing but a new generation of Palestinian youth who want revenge. Hamas will re-arm and we will be back in this same scenario in a year.
    In any conflict resolution, one side needs to make the first move. If Israel is seeking a way forward that can bring about peace then it should make the first move. Hamas will continue to bomb..and each bomb launched will make them lose credibility on the world stage. I have to believe most Palestinian people want peace. Israel can begin the healing process by taking the Moral high ground here and quickly force Hamas to stop as well. This “tit for tat” approach will get them nowhere. Maybe if they showed some restraint in the face of this Hamas threat they could win some credibility with the world and with some Palestinians. Peace requires compromise and I believe the side with the clear military advantage should have the onus of making the first move towards Peace. Complicated issue..but solvable if the right leaders were committed towards solving it. The mainstream media is not helping matters.

  25. Quite the opposite from a media that is anti-Israel…we have a world media climate that is so rabidly pro Israel that it stifles out all rationality and all expectations of reasonable conduct.

    Far from the ‘Mexico’ example…imagine any other rogue nuclear state operating a violent occupation with a huge death toll in defiance of UN resolutions…they’d be smoldering rubble…not the recipients of millions upon millions in contributions.

    Hamas now suffers the same fraudulent expectations placed upon the IRA decades ago. The perception has been created that this group is a top down uniform agency with a command structure capable of total obedience from all closely or loosely associated persons. This has never been even remotely true. Hamas, like the IRA, also has its factions and rogues, its sects and cliques…some wild and unruly, others disciplined and obedient. The more horrifying narrative is that Israel…whose military actually IS a top down organization capable of unilateral self control…has committed genocide across decades, leaving heaps of corpses and rubble in their indiscriminate wake. Excusemaking for this is actually inexcusable. The answer to terrorism is not terrorism x10.

    As for disinfo…if collectively the crowd here leans another way…there’s a reason: just by virtue of being the kind of site this is, frequented by the kind of open thinkers that haunt it, there tends to be an automatic disregard for the state media apologists and propaganda outlet BS that dominates the Israel/Palestine question.

    And to be fair…if the shoe was on the other foot, if Palestine were the occupier and Jewish people were dying by the thousands…I would be merrily calling for intercession to preserve Jewish lives. Really. But we’re not..the issue of proportional response is outrageously tilted in favor of admitting that Israels conduct is universally repugnant…and should be balked by international effort, even if that means putting troops between Israel and its victims and slashing all trade and aid to Israel until it comes into compliance.

    The staggering disrespect to the international community is probably the most offensive part. Israel, whose existence I support, came into being by act of the UN…the depth of their gratitude for this has been shown by their considering the UN irrelevant. If that is the tack they wish to take, so be it, but it let it come with some price…instead of blind applause while they mow down women and children at will.

  26. That’s an easy one.

    1: apologize
    2: incorporate all Palestinian territory into Greater Israel.
    3: begin massive reparations
    4: adopt a 2-state voting system within one state. Put everyone involved in writing a new ironclad constitution protecting the human rights of all citizens of the new state in the same room for a year until they develop a framework to make it work.

    Everything else is not going to work. (2-state solution doomed by incontiguous borders and settler momentum, and genocide is a no-brainer)

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